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Hepatitis B: Why Worry, Why Vaccinate?

HepBmayHepatitis B is a liver infection that is caused by the hepatitis B virus which is spread when blood or other body fluid infected with the hepatitis B virus enters the body of a person who is not infected.

Prevalence of hepatitis B infection

Data from 2009 indicates that an estimated 800,000 to 1.4 million people are living with chronic hepatitis B in the United States alone. With so many people living with this chronic infection, it’s not surprising that approximately 3,000 deaths from chronic liver disease occur each year that are also directly associated with viral hepatitis. While you may believe that you or your family members are at low risk of contracting hepatitis B, the fact is that many people in the U.S. are infected and many people don’t even know they’re infected since they often don’t feel or look sick.  In fact, nearly 2 out of 3 people infected with hepatitis B are not aware that they have the virus.  Therefore, they don’t take the necessary precautions to prevent the spread of infection to others, including their own children.

Fortunately, 90% of persons who become infected with hepatitis B as adults will clear the infection from the body within 6 months, while the remaining 10% who are unable to clear it will go on to suffer with chronic infection that often leads to inflammation and scarring of the liver.  Then, about 15%-25% of those people with chronic infections will go on to develop serious liver conditions such as liver damage, liver failure, or even liver cancer.

Unfortunately, when a baby is infected at birth or during infancy the percentages are reversed.  Only 10% clear the infection on their own and the remaining 90% will go on to develop chronic hepatitis B infection. This is why the hepatitis B vaccine is so important for newborns.

HepBVaxInfographicImportance of hepatitis B vaccine at birth

We currently have a safe and effective vaccine available that not only prevents hepatitis B infection but can also prevent cancer that comes from chronic infection.  The vaccine is given as a series of three shots. The first dose is given between birth and 2 months of age. The second dose is given one to two months after the first dose, and the third dose is given between 6 months and 18 months of age.

Before the hepatitis B vaccine was introduced, about 18,000 children were infected with hepatitis B virus in the U.S. by the time they were 10 years old.   Out of these 18,000 children, 50% caught the virus from their mother during birth. Others caught it from either another family member, caregiver or someone else they came in contact with as a child.

Today we take precautions to prevent children from developing chronic hepatitis B infection later in lives by ensuring that they are protected for the diseases as early as possible.  The standard in most U.S. hospitals is to administer a birth dose of hepatitis B vaccine to newborn children.  Even though mothers are often tested for the presence of the hepatitis B virus, the birth dose is administered to infants regardless of the outcome of this test for a number of different reasons.

Most importantly, if an infant is born to a mother with a hepatitis B infection, than the infection will pass onto the infant.  However, one of the most remarkable benefits of the hepatitis B vaccine is that it can actually reverse an infant’s infection status if administered within hours of delivery.  Hepatitis B vaccination at birth will prevent transmission of the infection in 70-95% of infants born to chronically infected mothers.  Additionally, if the vaccination is combined with hepatitis B immune globulin (HBIG) and administered within 12 hours of birth, the treatment increases to  85-95% effective.

While most babies will be born to mothers who are not currently infected, this “safety net” policy of vaccinating all infants ensures that we’re doing all we can to eliminate infection in all infants  – infections that will likely lead to chronic disease later in life.  If we only vaccinate children whose mother’s tested positive for the hepatitis B virus, than we will undoubtedly miss the chance to prevent infection when a mothers’ status in incorrectly identified, as a result of errors in maternal testing or failure in reporting of test results. By vaccinating all newborns we ensure babies don’t contract the infection from their mother during delivery, while also providing early protection to those infants and young children who may be exposed by infected persons they encounter during their early years and into adulthood.

How hepatitis B virus in spread and how it is prevented

The hepatitis B virus can be spread through sexual contact, use of contaminated needles, or the improper sterilization of medical, acupuncture, piercing or tattooing equipment – clearly not behaviors that newborn babies engage in.  However, we must also consider that it is possible to catch hepatitis B virus through more casual contact, such as sharing wash cloths, toothbrushes or razors.  Since most people do not realize they have the virus, it is virtually impossible for transmission to be eliminated and babies can easily contract the virus through casual contact.  Young children can also be exposed to other family members as well as other children who don’t even realize they have the virus.  Situations at home, in daycare and preschool such as bites, bloody noses, cuts, scrapes and shared use of personal items can expose children to trace amounts of infected blood that can contain enough viral particles to cause infection.   The birth dose of vaccine is the most vital way to ensure that every child is protected from infection from the earliest chance of exposure.

Encouraging hepatitis B vaccination

HepBBirthDoseHonorRollEven though the CDC, ACIP, AAP, AAFP and ACOG, all recommend administering the hepatitis B vaccine at birth, only 70% of infants in the U.S. currently receive the vaccine within 3 days of birth, with state statistics varying from 29% to 88% of infants.

Organizations such as The Immunization Action Coalition (IAC) and the HepB Foundation do their best to support the recommendations through various programs.  For instance, the IAC is urging hospitals and birthing centers to meet the national standard of care by recognizes hospitals and birthing centers that have attained 90% or greater coverage rates for administering hepatitis B vaccine at birth through the Hepatitis B Birth Dose Honor Roll.

Since hepatitis B virus is more prevalent than many people realize, why not take every precaution and vaccinate your newborn baby.

For more information regarding the infant dose of hepatitis B vaccine, consider visiting the following resources to find out more:

The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia’s Vaccine Education Center

The Hepatitis B Foundation

Immunization Action Coalition

 

 

  1. Patty
    May 28, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    If the Mother tests negative there is no reason in the world to give this to a new born.

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  2. Shay
    May 28, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    Yes, Patty, because all children live in plastic bubbles and are never exposed to anyone other than their mothers.

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  3. Lawrence
    May 28, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    @Patty – well, there could be false-negatives, someone in the child’s family could be HepB Positive, or there could be incidents with other children in a day care environment, for example.

    Since the vaccine is incredibly safe and very effective, it doesn’t make much sense to wait….

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  4. John Fryer
    May 28, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    So safe that cases known to me of head expansion following the vaccine and incessant crying must be unique to me then?

    Have Lawrence and Shay had their Hep B vaccines?

    The first approach nearly 20 years ago was to vaccinate adults. PROBLEM: The adults simply refused the vaccine.

    So they then gave the vaccine to the one day baby. Is this the best time for efficacity and safety of did it just fit in with the only gap in the first year or so of life. It is repeated several times indicating the efficacity might not be quite as high as quoted by others here.

    In France there are stalled cases for compensation for getting autoimmune illnesses after this vaccine.

    Oh yes in the USA after nearly ten years of use they decided that mercury in the vaccine might not be good for baby with arguably too much for baby to take without some suffering even if incredibly few.

    The reduction in cases of Hep B is a tribute to the vaccine but at what expense?

    Better to wait a bit longer than one day for this safe and effective vaccine in my humble view.

    How can you judge what your child is like if you give such treatments wwhich normally by definition are too healthy children.

    A worst case scenario would be to assume the child was healthy to receive the vaccine so should the vaccine take some of the blame for arguably 2 to 33 per cent who have later health issues in the first few years of life of all kinds.

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  5. Lawrence
    May 28, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    Nope, just you John.

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  6. Patty
    May 28, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    Shay, a baby is not sexually active, nor using needles or getting tattoos. Any other way of getting it is about a billion to one. Do you really think injecting that crap into a newborn is healthy?

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  7. lilady
    May 28, 2014 at 7:18 pm

    I notice that Mr. Fryer provides no citations for his comments about the institution of the birth dose of hepatitis B vaccines. How about ponying up some citations published in first tier, peer-reviewed medical and science journals?

    “Shay, a baby is not sexually active, nor using needles or getting tattoos. Any other way of getting it is about a billion to one. Do you really think injecting that crap into a newborn is healthy?”

    Tsk, tsk Patty. I suggest you reread the post to understand vertical transmission of the hepatitis B virus from a chronic carrier mother, while giving birth to her baby:

    http://www.perinatology.com/exposures/Infection/HepatitisB.htm

    “…. 10-20% of women seropositive for HBsAg transmit the virus to their neonates in the absence of immunoprophylaxis. In women who are seropositive for both HBsAg and HBeAg vertical transmission is approximately 90% [2]. In patients with acute hepatitis B vertical transmission occurs in up to 10% of neonates when infection occurs in the first trimester and in 80 -90% of neonates when acute infection occurs in the third trimester [2].

    Sequelae

    Chronic infection occurs in about 90% of infected infants, 30% of infected children aged <5 years , and 2%–6% of adults. Among persons with chronic HBV infection, the risk of death from cirrhosis or hepatocellular carcinoma is 15%–25%. [1]…."

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  8. Sullivan (Matt Carey)
    May 28, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    “Any other way of getting it is about a billion to one.”

    You got a citation for that? I’d hate to think that you are advising people on important decisions, acting like an expert, while pulling “facts” out of thin air.

    I’d hate to think that, but clearly that’s the case.

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  9. novalox
    May 28, 2014 at 9:46 pm

    @patty

    Have you even read the article?

    Also, [citation needed] for your assertions.

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  10. reissd
    May 28, 2014 at 11:14 pm

    As the article pointed out, pre vaccine many children caught it and only half from an infected mother. An incredibly safe vaccine, children at high risk, if infected, of developing the chronic version of a virus that can cause cancer or liver disease. It’s not a hard choice.

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  11. May 29, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    Parents need to understand that the hepatitis B virus can be spread by infectious blood and body fluids, and not solely through sexual contact. Cuts, nose bleeds and even bites from playmates can lead to transmission of hepatitis. The scary part is that the virus remains viable and infectious in the environment for at least 7 days and can remain present in inanimate objects absence of visible blood.
    It’s important to point out that infants can be exposed to HBV postnatally from another family member or caregiver. This occurs in two-thirds of the cases of childhood transmission!

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  12. Patty
    May 29, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    Matt, I will stick with my billion to one. Please provide evidence to the contrary. There is a higher percentage chance of actually getting injured from the vaccine, then getting it through casual contact.

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  13. lilady
    May 29, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    Patty you made the comment “Shay, a baby is not sexually active, nor using needles or getting tattoos. Any other way of getting it is about a billion to one. Do you really think injecting that crap into a newborn is healthy?”, it is up to you to provide a citation to an article published in a first tier, peer-reviewed medical or science journal, to back up your statement.

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  14. Chris
    May 29, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    Patty: “There is a higher percentage chance of actually getting injured from the vaccine, then getting it through casual contact.”

    Citation needed. Please provide the PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualified researchers showing that the HepB vaccine cause as much harm as (quoting from the above article, wiht added bolding): “With so many people living with this chronic infection, it’s not surprising that approximately 3,000 deaths from chronic liver disease occur each year that are also directly associated with viral hepatitis.”

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  15. Lawrence
    May 29, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    @Patty – you just can’t make up statistics out of thin air….you have to provide supporting evidence (of which you have not). The safety profile of the HepB vaccine is extremely good, with a very low rate of reactions overall (and an even lower rate of serious reactions):

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/hep-b.html

    Given the large number of people that are HepB positive (and those that don’t even know they are infected), it is painfully obvious even to the most layperson, that the vaccine is much, much safer than taking your chances in getting infected yourself (or your child, somewhere or anywhere during their life).

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  16. Lawrence
    May 29, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    @Chris – on a much earlier post, I did the math that showed that tens of thousands of people have died via chronic liver disease between the time the vaccine was originally licensed and today – even compared to the “VAERS reports” that number alone dwarfs those that reported reactions to the vaccines….which proves that Patty has no idea what she is talking about.

    (Wish I could dig up that old post)

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  17. novalox
    May 29, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    @patty

    Since you were the one that brought up the claim, it’s on you to support your claim with actual evidence. So far, all you’ve done is make assertions without any actual scientific support, so wht should any rationsl person believe you?

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  18. Patty
    May 29, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    NOT, you have to provide the evidence.

    Here is what the article says,
    ” However, we must also consider that it is possible to catch hepatitis B virus through more casual contact, such as sharing wash cloths, toothbrushes or razors. Since most people do not realize they have the virus, it is virtually impossible for transmission to be eliminated and babies can easily contract the virus through casual contact. Young children can also be exposed to other family members as well as other children who don’t even realize they have the virus. Situations at home, in daycare and preschool such as bites, bloody noses, cuts, scrapes and shared use of personal items can expose children to trace amounts of infected blood that can contain enough viral particles to cause infection. The birth dose of vaccine is the most vital way to ensure that every child is protected from infection from the earliest chance of exposure.”

    Where is the proof, the evidence? What are the chances, the odds of catching it this way? Making claims and not backing it up?

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  19. Lawrence
    May 29, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    @Patty – if you are going to continue to be delusional, it is impossible to carry on a discussion with you.

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  20. lilady
    May 29, 2014 at 6:37 pm

    The article provides information about the typical routes of transmission (horizontal and vertical) for the hepatitis B virus.

    You want proof in the form of documented cases, about hepatitis transmission? Here it is Patty:

    http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2100nrs.pdf

    Your turn now, to provide citations to articles published in first tier, peer-reviewed medical and science journals, to back up your ignorant musings about hepatitis viral transmissions, Patty.

    I await your speedy reply and citations.

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  21. Chris
    May 29, 2014 at 6:44 pm

    “@Patty – if you are going to continue to be delusional,”

    Especially with her “billion to one” chance, where in a country of only three hundred million lots of children were getting hepatitis b as children. A basic math fail.

    Which kind of explains why she does not bother to both read the above article nor click on the links which has the evidence she is asking for.

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  22. Lawrence
    May 29, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    @Chris – let’s see….upwards of 3000 individuals dying each and every year of chronic liver infections due to HepB, hundreds of thousands more become infected each and every year (with millions with the infection today) vs. this:

    http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=348303

    There isn’t even evidence that a single neonatal death has been linked to the vaccine…Patty is truly delusional.

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  23. Patty
    May 29, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    Resorting to name calling now huh? Very big of you; only proves you’ve got nothing.

    Chris, “country of three hundred million lots of children were getting hep b as children” Not through casual contact Chris, which is what my billion to one remark was about. You should really work on your reading skills before calling someone else delusional.

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  24. novalox
    May 29, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    @patty

    Since you refuse to provide evidence for your comments, we can assume that you admit that your comments have no basis in actual science or reality, and that we can assume that any future comments you make here are based in lies.

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  25. Lawrence
    May 29, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    @Patty – it isn’t name calling, it is merely pointing out that you have no idea how HepB is spread (despite being linked to multiple studies which show it can and does get spread causually) and that your statements are not even in the realm of reality – hence you meet the definition of being delusional.

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  26. Patty
    May 29, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    Lilady, nice anecdotal pdf you provided.

    I do like the title however, “Unusual Cases of Hepatitis B Virus Transmission”

    And “On the average, any baby born in the United States who isn’t vaccinated against HBV has a 5 percent chance of acquiring HBV infection during his or her lifetime. By avoiding obvious means of exposure, people can reduce the odds of becoming infected.”

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  27. Patty
    May 29, 2014 at 7:57 pm

    Novalox, Do a lot of assuming do you? I guess that’s how you got so smart with your very meaningful, constructive comments.

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  28. Patty
    May 29, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    Lawrence, you have not provided any proof that the odds of getting hep B casually are better than a billion to one. Nothing. Show me the odds Lawrence. Tell me, what are the odds of a baby getting hep b casually?

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  29. Patty
    May 29, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    Lawrence, fyi, VAERS doesn’t prove anything either way. It is not reliable. Also, I like the way you compare 3000 deaths per year (not newborns), to deaths reported to VAERS after vaccination. Don’t you know how to compare apples to apples or do you purposely try and mislead people?

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  30. novalox
    May 29, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    @patty

    Again, that you for admtting that Chris is telling the truth, that lilady has presented good evidence, that Lawrence has presented rational evidence, that I am more intelligent that you can ever hope to become, and that the HepB vaccine is a safe and essential vaccine for people to receive.

    Please keep posting. I do appreciate a fool, and you seem likr the perfect one for a few good lulz.

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  31. Chris
    May 29, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    Patty, where are the PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualified researchers showing that the HepB vaccine cause as much harm as (quoting from the above article): “With so many people living with this chronic infection, it’s not surprising that approximately 3,000 deaths from chronic liver disease occur each year that are also directly associated with viral hepatitis.”

    You provide us that and then we can talk about your “one in a billion” chance of catching something in a country with only three hundred million people (not children, all persons). And yes, children were getting hepB through casual contact, something you would know if you bothered to read the above article and the links to further references.

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  32. novalox
    May 29, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    @patty

    Also, if all you are going to offer nothing except fact-free assertions, libel, ae hominem, and other trollish behavior, why should anyone with a rational mind believe anything you say?

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  33. Patty
    May 29, 2014 at 8:13 pm

    Did I admit all of that novalox?
    Thank you for truly being yourself, I do appreciate it. It really makes you, and unfortunately your friends look silly when you act like that. Makes it look like you’ve got no case at all.

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  34. Patty
    May 29, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    Chris, I did read the article above and there was no evidence provided. I even wen to these links, “Before the hepatitis B vaccine was introduced, about 18,000 children were infected with hepatitis B virus in the U.S. by the time they were 10 years old. Out of these 18,000 children, 50% caught the virus from their mother during birth. Others caught it from either another family member, caregiver or someone else they came in contact with as a child.”
    which you think would take you to evidence of those remarks, but curiously they don’t.

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  35. Lawrence
  36. novalox
    May 29, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    @patty

    Again, thank for admitting that you admire me and that I am telling the truth, and that you have not read any of the citations given to you.

    Also, thanks for admitting that you are a troll, and that your posts are lies, since you refuse to show any actual evidence for your assertions, and that you admit you have no case ro base your beliefs on.

    Please keep on posting, let’s see how many more juvenile insults you can come up with.

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  37. Lawrence
  38. Lawrence
    May 29, 2014 at 8:38 pm

    And this one for good measure:

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra031087

    So, got any “facts” Patty – our are you still going to cling to beliefs with no substance?

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  39. novalox
    May 29, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    As an aside:

    When I was younger, my family sponsored two refugees, both of which had hepatitis B. Both had gotten it from blood contact, presumably from processing fish, getting cut, and catching it from another hep b positive person. Both had not had any sexual contact. As a precaution, all of my family had their hep B vaccinations, and none of us suffered any ill effects.

    So, yes hep b can be caught without sexual contact, despite what the trolls may say above. But then again, logic and intelligence has never been the strong suit of the antivaxxer.

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  40. lilady
    May 29, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    Patty…and your citations to back up your ridiculous statements about hepatitis B transmission are where?

    Me thinks you have no citations from reputable sources and you are ashamed of the sources you do use, for your deplorable lack of information about hepatitis B transmission.

    Troll.

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  41. lilady
    May 29, 2014 at 9:17 pm

    Novalox, if those two people your family sponsored were born and grew up in an area of the world where hepatitis b chronic carriage is endemic, then it is quite possible they acquired the virus from their mothers at birth…or from virus contaminated dirty needles, in a doctors office.

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  42. novalox
    May 29, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    @lilady

    To be honest, the agency that helped with sponsoring the refugees told us that story, although where they had come from, hepB was endemic. The two of them could not really say when they had caught it, although they were certain that they did not catch it by sexual contact since they had not been sexually active, and that they only were aware they had it when checked over by a doctor while they were being processed.

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  43. Chris
    May 29, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    :”Chris, I did read the article above and there was no evidence provided.”

    Then why are you asking for things that are clearly indicated in both the text and the links? Is it a reading comprension problem or do you think those who come from places where hepatitis b is endemic never go to Columbia, MO?

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  44. lilady
    May 29, 2014 at 11:41 pm

    Columbia, Missouri, eh?…heh, heh.

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  45. June
    June 5, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    Hey, Lil, Law, etc., we’ve been on vacation for two weeks, you should realize that there are a lot more people aware of the dangers of the hep-B vaccine than me (C.P.). Patty is one more of thousands who know the truth about it. She is not me. Great posts, Patty (I know I won’t be able to get this up, but maybe Christine can pass this on.

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  46. Lawrence
    June 5, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    @June – since millions of individuals are infected with HepB & thousands die every year of chronic liver disease caused by the virus….and neither you nor Patty have provided even a shred of evidence to contradict these facts or the fact that the vaccine is incredibly safe and effective, perhaps you should go back on vacation.

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  47. June 5, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    Perhaps her brain is still on vacation.

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  48. lilady
    June 5, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    Still no links to citations from reliable, first tier, peer-reviewed medical and science journals from the drive-by posters, to back up their inane comments.

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  49. Craig
    June 5, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    Nice fake Face Book account you have there um, “Mike”.

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  50. Craig
    June 5, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    From what lilady provided….

    “On the average, any baby born in the United States who isn’t vaccinated against HBV has a 5 percent chance of acquiring HBV infection during his or her lifetime.”

    What percentage of that 5 percent do you suppose was from casual contact? And what percentage is from sex, drugs, tattoos, etc?

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  51. Lawrence
    June 5, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    @Craig – and are you able to tell exactly who that 5% is going to be?

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  52. Craig
    June 5, 2014 at 5:13 pm

    If you are sleeping around and sharing drug needles etc., then a very good chance that you will be part of the 5%.

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  53. lilady
    June 5, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    You would have to know about the course of hepatitis B infection Craig. Young children who acquire the infection through horizontal transmission do not show symptoms of the disease.

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/hepb/fs-parents.html

    What are the symptoms of hepatitis B?

    Infants and young children usually show no symptoms.

    In about 7 out of 10 older children and adults, short-term hepatitis B causes the following:

    Loss of appetite (not wanting to eat)
    Fever
    Tiredness
    Pain in muscles, joints, and stomach
    Nausea, diarrhea, and vomiting
    Dark urine
    Yellow skin and eyes

    Symptoms of short-term illness usually appear 3 or 4 months after infection.

    How serious is hepatitis B?

    Hepatitis B can be very serious. Most people with short-term hepatitis B may feel sick for a few weeks to a several months. Some people get over the illness. For other people, the virus stays in their body for a life time.

    People with lifelong hepatitis B usually don’t have symptoms, but the virus causes liver damage over time. For these people, there is no cure for the infection but treatment can help prevent serious problems. Each year, 3,000 to 5,000 people in the U.S. die from liver damage or liver cancer caused by hepatitis B.

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  54. novalox
    June 5, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    @craig

    [citation needed]

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  55. Lawrence
    June 5, 2014 at 5:21 pm

    What better way, not knowing when and where your child could be exposed to the HepB virus, than to give them the vaccine as soon as possible – so you don’t have to worry later on in life…….

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  56. lilady
    June 5, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    “If you are sleeping around and sharing drug needles etc., then a very good chance that you will be part of the 5%.”

    Care to inform us about young children who became chronically infected with the hepatitis V virus, via vertical or horizontal transmission, and who “sleep around” and “share drug needles etc., Craig?

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  57. Craig
    June 5, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    I would worry later on in life about my kids health after giving them those nasty ingredients in the hep b vaccine. You know what aluminum does to the brain? It’s not pretty.

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  58. Craig
    June 5, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    lilady, so you disagree with me. If you sleep around and share needles you “don’t” have a good chance of being part of the 5%? You can have that opinion if you like.

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  59. Lawrence
    June 5, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    @Craig – given that Aluminum is the most abundant mineral in the Earth’s crust, you’d think that our exposure to it over millions of years would have rendered us extinct – if it was as bad as you claim……

    And “aluminum salts” are what is utilized in vaccines – a totally different thing & something you might know, if you had any education in basic chemistry.

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  60. Lawrence
    June 5, 2014 at 5:42 pm

    @Craig – and some science for you as well:

    http://antiantivax.flurf.net/#Hep_B_and_Aluminum

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  61. Lawrence
    June 5, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    And of course, very few actual (real) reactions to the HepB vaccine have been shown:

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm#hepb

    With allergic reactions (in about 1 in 1.1million doses) being the most severe…..pretty darn good considering the very real problems that the HepB virus causes (and kills more than 6000 people per year from chronic liver disease).

    Unless, of course, you’re going to play the “blame the victim” card – which is seems to be what you are implying.

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  62. Craig
    June 5, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    You should really educate yourself Lawrence. You’re 20 years behind.

    In 1996, the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a position paper on Aluminum Toxicity in Infants and Children which stated in the first paragraph, “Aluminum is now being implicated as interfering with a variety of cellular and metabolic processes in the nervous system and in other tissues.
    PEDIATRICS Vol. 97, 1996, pp. 413-416

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  63. Craig
    June 5, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    Blame the victim card? What exactly does that mean Lawrence?

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  64. Craig
    June 5, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    It’s a shame, jabbing kids under two years of age and older adults who have undeveloped or worn-out immune systems and don’t produce sufficient antibodies to achieve immunity. It is unconscionable for doctors to vaccinate subjects who are deficient in vitamins C and D and zinc, which are needed to produce an adequate immune response. Toxic adjuvants (aluminum) are used to provoke an immune response instead.

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  65. lilady
    June 5, 2014 at 6:20 pm

    I have to wonder why Craig keeps posting his citation-less, fact-free comments here, about hepatitis B transmission.

    To repeat my comments about hepatitis B transmission:

    Infants and children who are exposed to the hepatitis B virus and who become chronic carriers of the virus, DO NOT have symptoms. When women become pregnant or when both sexes donate blood they will be notified by the obstetrician or the blood donor center that they are chronic carriers.

    Individuals who are at high risk for chronic asymptomatic carriage of the hepatitis B virus are tested by the health care provider, before their chronic disease state causes fulminant liver disease or hepatocellular carcinoma.

    How many cases of chronic hepatitis B carriage in a pregnant woman and/or acute onset of hepatitis B have you investigated, Craig?

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt04-hepb.html

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  66. lilady
    June 5, 2014 at 6:36 pm

    Per Craig:

    “You should really educate yourself Lawrence. You’re 20 years behind.

    In 1996, the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a position paper on Aluminum Toxicity in Infants and Children which stated in the first paragraph, “Aluminum is now being implicated as interfering with a variety of cellular and metabolic processes in the nervous system and in other tissues.
    PEDIATRICS Vol. 97, 1996, pp. 413-416”

    Gee thanks for that 18-year-old study from the Pediatrics journal which has zero relevance to aluminum salts used in some vaccines as a adjuvant.

    From your reference Craig….

    “Dialysis encephalopathy and fracturing osteomalacia, which occur in hemodialysis units that use dialysis fluid contaminated with aluminum, have largely disappeared. This has been accomplished by establishing standards for safe concentrations of aluminum in dialysates. Infants, children, and adults with chronic renal failure who are not receiving dialysis have been shown to be at risk for aluminum intoxication from the oral administration of aluminum-containing phosphate binders. This complication should be avoided with the use of phosphate binders that do not contain aluminum and the use of other measures to control hyperphosphatemia.

    A number of substances commonly administered intravenously, including calcium and phosphorus salts and albumin, have high levels of aluminum. Premature infants receiving intravenous fluid therapy may accumulate aluminum and show evidence of aluminum toxicity. Efforts are being made to reduce the levels of aluminum in products added to intravenous solutions; these efforts must continue.

    Some infant formulas may contain relatively high concentrations of aluminum. The reported concentrations of aluminum in soy formulas and premature infant formulas are higher than those in other infant formulas. The potential impact of these formulas on the aluminum intake of premature infants and infants with impaired renal function should be recognized, although it is not clear that toxic effects result from the use of the formulas in these situations.”

    You do know the difference between Al salts used as adjuvants in some vaccines which are injected and dialysis fluids, IV solutions and aluminum in infant formulas which are ingested, don’t you Craig?

    Here, from the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia-Vaccine Education Center, a “more current” (March, 2014) article about Al used as adjuvants:

    http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/vaccine-ingredients/aluminum.html

    Try again, Troll?

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  67. novalox
    June 5, 2014 at 7:23 pm

    @craig

    Why am I not surprised that an anti-vax troll like yoywould deliberately misrepresent a study?

    Also, do you know the saying “the dose is the poison?”

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  68. Lawrence
    June 5, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    @Craig – your comments about those that are “at risk” or get infected with HepB seem to indicate that you blame them for their behavior, which could result in infection, ignoring that a large percentage of the infected today don’t know they are infected / show no symptoms….so yes, I believe you are blaming them.

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  69. Craig
    June 5, 2014 at 9:42 pm

    So to be clear Lawrence, you don’t believe you are responsible for your own actions? Why doesn’t this surprise me. If a person shares drug needles like my friends did in Vietnam, and they get hep and die (they did), who exactly is to blame? Can’t wait to hear your answer.

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  70. Craig
    June 5, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    novalox, please point out specifically where I deliberately misrepresented any study. Can hardly wait for you to show me. The dose is the poison is ridiculous. Poison is poison period.

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  71. Craig
    June 5, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    lilady, what a bunch of mumbo jumbo. You just proved absolutely nothing accept proving you like to hear yourself talk. You think I’m a troll? You are the one calling names and acting out. Grow up.

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  72. Chris
    June 5, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    It is only “mumbo jumbo” to you Craig. It is most likely because you are only semi-literate, plus you cannot tell the difference in volume between an IV bag and a syringe.

    More than likely you are just another sock puppet troll that has posted the same silly stuff before. You are obviously uneducable. and really not worth anyone’s time.

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  73. Lawrence
    June 6, 2014 at 5:39 am

    @Craig – all of the information necessary to refute your baseless claims has been provided…just because you care not to read or listen, doesn’t make those facts any less valid or real, so I’m sorry that you fail so heartily at comprehending that.

    As to personal responsibility – of course, persons should not engage in risky behaviors, but how about all of those other individuals that are infected through no fault of their own? How many of those 6000 persons that die every year “deserved it?” (your thoughts there, not mine) – so, a very simple, safe and effective vaccine is available to mitigate and eliminate the chances that an individual will contract this disease….why is that a problem?

    And the silliness you posted on “poison is poison” – well may I point out that Water, if ingested in too great a quantity, is poisonous? Perhaps you should re-read the definition of a poison before you start spouting off again.

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  74. novalox
    June 6, 2014 at 9:41 am

    @craig

    Again, do you even read the studies that you post here, and how they don’t represent what you think they say? See lilady’s comment above, since she explains it well enough, although judging by your comments here, you won’t have read it and still cling to illogic and lies.

    Also, what about the refugees that my family sponsored, who did not engage in any risky behaviors whatsoever, yet still caught HepB? I’m sure they would love for your insensitive self to say that in front of their faces.

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  75. Craig
    June 6, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    Lawrence,

    I never said anybody “deserved it”. It’s really too bad you can’t have an honest conversation without making up lies about what I have said. It only demonstrates that you don’t feel like you have a good case based on its own merits.

    FYI, the definition of poison: a substance that is capable of causing the illness or death of a living organism when introduced or absorbed.

    Your water analogy is simply laughable. What, a little water won’t hurt you, but a lot will, therefore we assume a little aluminum won’t hurt you? How about a little rat poison? No biggie eh? hahahahahaaa

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  76. Lawrence
    June 6, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    @Craig – thank you for admitting that you have no idea about the concept of “the dose makes the poison.” You also clearly have no clue about the difference between elemental aluminum and aluminum salts, despite the differences being clearly highlighted in the information provided above.

    Perhaps this series of links will enlighten you (though I doubt it):

    http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/scienceresearch/ucm284520.htm

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/adjuvants.html

    http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/aluminum-adjuvants-vaccines

    And I stand by my statement that you do, in fact “blame the victims” by you pointing out a series of potentially high-risk activities (like sharing needles, etc) that could lead to infection, despite large numbers of people who are infected (and don’t even know it) though other means as well.

    As to the honesty of the current discussion – while we have utilized real science and evidence to back up our statements, you have in fact misstated evidence & provided nothing at all which supports your position.

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  77. Craig
    June 6, 2014 at 5:42 pm

    From the article…. “By avoiding obvious means of exposure, people can reduce the odds of becoming infected.” That is the point. Period.

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  78. Craig
    June 6, 2014 at 5:43 pm

    And I stand by the fact that aluminum in vaccines is poison. Period. End of story. Go ahead and inject as much of it as you want into yourself Lawrence. Have fun.

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  79. Lawrence
    June 6, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    @craig – it isn’t a fact, as has been pointed out to you time after time. Elemental aluminum isn’t even in vaccines….again you are clueless.

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  80. Lawrence
    June 6, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    @craig – you must never eat salt then, do you? Because both sodium and chlorine are poisons, right?

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  81. Craig
    June 6, 2014 at 6:15 pm

    @Lawrence, I never said Elemental Aluminum was in vaccines. There you go again. Making up whatever you want to fit your story. As I said before, if you don’t have any problems with aluminum go ahead and fill yourself up.

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  82. Craig
    June 6, 2014 at 6:17 pm

    Right, I don’t eat salt. Done playing games yet?
    “Again you are so clueless”

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  83. Lawrence
    June 6, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    @craig – you’ve gotten funny….you complain about “aluminum” but again aluminum itself isn’t in a single vaccine and the compounds aren’t even mentioned in your “sources.”

    So again, your “beliefs” aren’t supported by a single fact.

    I am beginning to wonder what color the sky is on your planet.

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  84. Craig
    June 6, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    Ok Lawrence, there isn’t 250 mcg to 500 mcg of aluminum (depending on the brand) in the hep B vaccine.

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  85. Lawrence
    June 6, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    And how much Chlorine by weight do you consume everyday with table salt Craig?

    You have demonstrated zero understanding of the most basic attributes of chemistry and biology.

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  86. Craig
    June 6, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    Very funny coming from someone who doesn’t believe there is aluminum in the vaccine.

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  87. Craig
    June 6, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    I forgot to end my last statement with, Lawrence?

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  88. novalox
    June 6, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    @craig

    Did you even read Lawrence’s link, which disproves your comments?

    Or are you just here just to troll?

    And I still am waiting for your answer to what you would say to the refugees that my family sponsored who have hepB through no fault of their own.

    Let’s give you three posts to prove your assertions with actual scientific evidence. Failure to do so means that you admit that the HepB vaccine is a safe vaccine that people should get, and that you have been lying to us the whole time.

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  89. novalox
    June 6, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    @craig

    Also, I guess that you don’t eat anything at all, since almost all foods have trace amount of aluminum in them.

    How you managed to survive without eating, pray do tell?

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  90. JGC56
    June 12, 2014 at 9:57 am

    “And I stand by the fact that aluminum in vaccines is poison. Period.”

    Do you must also agree that the water included in vaccine formulations “is poison. Period” given that at sufficiently high exposure levels it will cause water intoxication and death? A simple yes or no response would be appreciated.

    Direct question, Craig: do you have any actual evidence that the aluminum compounds included in some vaccine formulations, at exposure levels achievable as a consequence of routine vaccination, is toxic? Any at all?

    If not your entire argument takes no other form than “Oooooh, Aluminum! Scary stuff!”

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  91. Lawrence
    June 12, 2014 at 10:28 am

    @JGC – which is the same thing as saying “formaldehyde! Scary stuff!” even though it is a regular part of our metabolic process & the average person has more of it circulating in their body on a regular basis than is contained in all the vaccines a person would receive in their entire lifetimes…..just because a substance sounds scary, doesn’t make it so.

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  92. JGC56
    June 12, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    Or as nearly universally offered with respect to thimerosal, “Ooooh, mercury! Scary Stuff!”

    Most frequently following citations to meaningless observations of different forms of mercuric compounds at levels of exposure not possibly achievable as the result of immunization having had some biologic effect that, if you squint hard enough and look at sideways in low light through welder’s goggles when dead drunk, might somehow possibly be interpreted as evidence of harm. To isolated dedritic cells in culture or the equivalent, of course, but never in a whole organism.

    More and more it’s obvious that the problem isn’t that anti-vaxers’ can’t offer evidence that supports their position, but taht they wouldn’t even be capable of recognizing what form that evidence would take if they saw it.

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  93. bredeson1
    December 1, 2016 at 2:07 am

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  94. Regina Kuff
    February 9, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    I was diagnosed with Hep B way back in 2013 when I was supposed to donate blood to my nephew. It was normal to do laboratory check on my blood hence it was found out that I’m reactive to the illness. I’m very depressed and demoralized since this disease has been unacceptable just like the unpopularity of AIDS. I was so nervous that I’ve got ashamed to talk with other people onward, so my mom subjected me to series of tests so that damage to the liver may be traced. The doctor told me that; YES i am chronic carrier, i was so depressed was thinking of committing suicide, till i came across a forum on internet, about HEALTH LAB who cured various diseases like Hepatitis B, Herpes, liver fluke HIV and others, without wasting time, i contacted them and i get medication from them and after the days given to me, I just went back to my doctor and they also carry out the test again, and i was negative of Hepatitis B. Please contact this HEALTH LAB if you are hepatitis B positive or any kind of diseases their email is: labhealth2@gmail com

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  95. JGC
    February 20, 2017 at 1:28 pm

    Regina, where can I find the published clinical studies demonstrating that the treatment you received at all-caps HEALTH LAB is safe and effective as a treatment for chronic Hepatitis B?

    I’m sure you’ll understand why I cannot in good faith simply accept your unsupported assertions that is the case.

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  96. Chris
    February 20, 2017 at 2:18 pm

    JGC, mostly because the “unsupported assertions” is just a bunch of spam.

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