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Tell ABC That Jenny McCarthy Doesn’t Represent Your ‘View’

Personally, I’ve never really given Jenny McCarthy much consideration.  To me she represents a pretty face who has done her best to exploit her good looks in order to earn a living.

I can’t say that I blame her.  The few times I’ve heard her speak publicly it was painfully clear that she lacked the intelligence to make a living doing much else.  In fact, despite the now disproven theory that vaccines are linked to autism, McCarthy continues to claim that her son became autistic as a result of his vaccines.  And even more shocking are her claims that he no longer has autism thanks to diet and alternative treatments.  (As far as I know, he appears to be the one and only child who’s autism has ever been completely “cured”).

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If her claims weren’t so dangerous they might actually be entertaining.  But that’s just the problem.  Entertainers should not be mistaken for medical professionals.  Jenny McCarthy’s statements have not only given credence to false information, they’ve led many parents to fear vaccines more than the diseases that vaccines are intended to prevent.

While I may not be the kind of parent who takes medical advice from the likes of celebrities like Jenny McCarthy, there is no denying that her celebrity status has brought attention to the topics of autism and vaccines among many mainstream parents.  Parents who, like McCarthy, are concerned about their children possibly being diagnosed with autism.  Parents who may not be well versed in the scientific studies that demonstrate the safety of vaccines.  And even some who, like McCarthy, prefer to follow gut instinct over the advice of medical experts.

Earlier this week, when the word got out that ABC is considering McCarthy as a co-host on the popular day-time talk show ‘The View’, many public health advocates began speaking out against this decision.  The outcry has been swift and immediate, and the general consensus among science bloggers, vaccine advocates and concerned parents is that allowing a celebrity like Jenny McCarthy a public platform by which she may continue to propagate dangerous misinformation is a major public health concern.

Phil Plait, a blogger for Slate, led the cry with an online movement to stop ABC from hiring McCarthy due to her “highly dangerous health ideas, including the mistaken belief that vaccines cause autism.”  Voices for Vaccines started a petition with the goal of getting 2,500 signatures to deliver to the show’s producers.  And many other outlets have joined in the call to prevent McCarthy’s hire including Salon.com, The Daily Beast, The Atlantic, and Commentary Magazine.

Every Child By Two, who’s educational Vaccinate Your Baby Campaign was created several years ago as a direct response to McCarthy’s unfounded claims about vaccine safety, shared these words with the Barbara Walters co-hot of ‘The View’:

Ms. McCarthy’s unfounded claims that vaccines cause autism have been one of the greatest impediments to public health in recent decades.  These false assertions, in addition to her condemnation of public health officials and the medical community overall, has spread fear among young parents, which has lead to an increased number of children who have not received life-saving vaccines.

Recent outbreaks of pertussis and measles have resulted in severe illness and the deaths of numerous children in the United States, and yet families continue to delay or decline immunizations based on unproven studies and celebrity falsehoods, rather than science.

In order to counter the misinformation that was spreading like wildfire among the public, in 2008 our organization developed a new public education campaign, Vaccinate Your Baby.  Actor and Mother Amanda Peet kindly offered to serve as a volunteer spokesperson for this campaign and, along with scores of medical experts and public health partners, we believe conquered over much of the anti-vaccine propaganda.  As more and more science has been conducted on the safety of vaccines and there has been a declaration from scientists and physicians worldwide that there is no risk of autism from vaccines, Ms. McCarthy still has not recanted her position. In addition, as head of Generation Rescue, she actively continues to spread erroneous information about vaccines to the public, while promoting dangerous treatments to “cure” children of autism.

We believe that providing Ms. McCarthy with a platform on a show as popular as The View would be a very dangerous decision, as even one slight of vaccinations can cause a ripple effect that may result in yet another naysayer who will delay vaccines for their children, placing them at great risk.  We ask that you express this concern with your show’s producers.

 

So now we call upon you to do the same.  Tell the ABC producers what a mistake it would be to hire Ms. McCarthy by emailing them or sending them a letter at the following addresses:

bill.geddie@abc.com
alexandra.cohen@abc.com
donald.berman@abc.com
lauri.l.hogan@abc.com
 
Bill Geddie
Executive Producer
The View – ABC Television Network
320 West 66th Street
New York, New York 10023-3604

And while you’re at it, be sure to add your name to the change.org petition because the only change we can expect is the one we demand out of concern for all children.  

  1. Karen
    July 12, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    Thank you for this post, Christine. Vaccinate Your Baby has done so much to try to undo Jenny’s damage over the years, it would be a shame if she gained a daily, national platform to spread more misinformation.

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  2. Susan
    July 12, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    She is trying to find something or someone to blame for her child’s disability. They cannot accept that they aren’t perfect and therefore don’t always produce something perfect. All the scientific evidence is against her.

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  3. Sara
    July 12, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    Jenny McCarthy has no medical training and is nowhere near qualified to weigh in on this. You cannot “cure” a developmental disability . As the parent of an adult child with high-functioning autism and a public health nurse with over 25 years of immunization experience ,I concur with Susan and Karen.

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  4. Gwen
    July 12, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    It has been scientifically proven that vaccines DO NOT CAUSE autism. I certainly hope that the View does not put Jenny McCarthy on their show, the public does not need to see her on a daily basis spreading her miss information, and her own agenda. I am sad for her that her child has autism, but it was not caused by vaccines. Autism is genetic. I am the Immunization Coordinator at a county level health department in Michigan.

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  5. mistie
    July 13, 2013 at 12:10 am

    The information she was using to stake her claims-well they were proven false! They never existed all of the findings were falsified and to quite frank I believe the so called doctor admitted he lied…for publicity who knows why. I hope ABC has better judgement and does not put her on the view. It is because of people like her that we are starting to see the rise of illness that were previously destroyed by vaccines. She has no medical training therefore she should not be considered a reliable source of information…I am sorry her son has Autism, but I am sure if you were to ask a “REAL” doctor…you would find it is in the genetics! I feel sorry for the children of the parents who buy into her theories; the children will be the ones who pay the price for the ignorance. I can safely safe I don’t want to have to hear her bash doctors and the medical field in general. ABC find someone else please!!!!!!

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  6. Robert
    July 13, 2013 at 3:05 am

    Been busy for a while, but I can tell you this, a lot of people are using your kind publication of relevant email address to actively support her position on The View. It is not a question of disagreeing or agreeing with her. It is a question of censorship. ABC is a commercial broadcaster. If you don’t like what they do, DON’T WATCH!! When I see calls for censorship of points of view, I automatically assume that there is a fear-based motivation.

    Christine’s arguments are so hypocritical as to be laughable. First is this one:

    “Entertainers should not be mistaken for medical professionals.”

    Are you s***ing me? I burst out laughing at that. Who rolls out the Amanda Peete card at every opportunity?

    “Parents who may not be well versed in the scientific studies that demonstrate the safety of vaccines.”

    Really? Virtually all demographic studies of people who actively reject vaccines (as opposed to those who either just don’t bother or can’t afford them) show that it the well educated and well researched who actively decide “no”, and here you call basically call them dumb and gullible. Meanwhile, you completely ignore reason-based objections to the “gospel” studies that support your own views, which in my opinion is kind of dumb, unless it is somehow financially motivated.

    “While I may not be the kind of parent who takes medical advice from the likes of celebrities like Jenny McCarthy, there is no denying that her celebrity status has brought attention to the topics of autism and vaccines among many mainstream parents.”

    Again, “Amanda Peete” anyone? So if they are celebrity and they agree with you, its okay to exploit their celebrity, if not, ridicule them? Got it? Hypocrisy.

    “The few times I’ve heard her speak publicly it was painfully clear that she lacked the intelligence to make a living doing much else.”

    A plain violation of your own rules, Christine. A blatant ad hominem attack without foundation, except for your own belief in your judgement always being right.

    “In fact, despite the now disproven theory that vaccines are linked to autism, McCarthy continues to claim that her son became autistic as a result of his vaccines.”

    Disproven? Really? See below.

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  7. Robert
    July 13, 2013 at 3:19 am

    Hepatitis B Vaccination of Male Neonates and Autism
    Annals of Epidemiology , Vol. 19, No. 9 ABSTRACTS (ACE), September 2009: 651-680

    RESULTS: Boys who received the hepatitis B vaccine during the first month of life had 2.94 greater odds for ASD (nZ31 of 7,486; OR Z 2.94; p Z 0.03; 95% CI Z 1.10, 7.90)

    Porphyrinuria in childhood autistic disorder: Implications for environmental toxicity
    Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology, 2006

    This new study from France utilizes a new and sophisticated measurement for environmental toxicity by assessing porphyrin levels in autistic children. It provides clear and unequivocal evidence that children with autism spectrum disorders are more toxic than their neurotypical peers.

    Note that this not specifically about vaccines, but the many environmental toxins studied are additives in vaccines.

    Comparison of Blood and Brain Mercury Levels in Infant Monkeys Exposed to Methylmercury or Vaccines Containing Thimerosal
    Environmental Health Perspectives, Aug 2005.

    This study demonstrates clearly and unequivocally that ethyl mercury, the kind of mercury found in vaccines, not only ends up in the brain, but leaves double the amount of inorganic mercury as methyl mercury, the kind of mercury found in fish. This work is groundbreaking because little is known about ethyl mercury, and many health authorities have asserted that the mercury found in vaccines is the “safe kind.” This study also delivers a strong rebuke of the Institute of Medicine’s recommendation in 2004 to no longer pursue the mercury-autism connection.

    These are just a few of MANY studies that actually do support a link. Since encephalitis (brain inflammation) has been positively linked to later ASD, I particularly found this study to be quite a revelation.

    Assessment of changes in cardiac autonomic tone resulting from inflammatory response to the influenza vaccination.
    A total of 71 healthy volunteers opting to have a routine influenza vaccination were investigated for potential changes in cardiovascular autonomic tone resulting from the temporary inflammatory effects of an influenza vaccination.

    So they actually used a known an common side effect of the flu vaccine to study cardiac issues. What did they find?

    Results suggest a significant change in HRV response to a small inflammatory provocation and suggest further investigation of the inflammatory causes of dysautonomia is of value.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23031064

    The very fact that studies are using adverse reactions from vaccines to study how inflammation is tied to myriad life threatening issues, tells me everything I need to know about vaccines. It is a tacit admission that vaccines cause side effects which increase risk factors for other potentially deadly conditions. No risk? No thanks!

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  8. July 13, 2013 at 9:59 am

    @Robert – given that Jenny McCarthy has pretty much been anti-science for a while (she believed her son was an “Indigo Child & the next stage in human evolution” not to mention that now it looks at though he was never autistic, but had another type of genetic disorder, her stances are ridiculous & giving her a forum to spread her views (which in my mind are as bad as the quackery that Dr. Oz peddles on his show) is a really bad idea.

    Amanda Peet, on the other hand, uses actual Science and Evidence to back up her views – and I’d put her up in a debate against Jenny McCarthy any day of the week.

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  9. July 13, 2013 at 10:03 am

    @Robert – wow, what an interesting study…

    http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/17/another-weak-study-proves-vaccines-cause-autism/

    Yeah, that study doesn’t really say what you think it says……using bad Science again Robert? Not a good track records…..

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  10. Robert
    July 13, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    I amazed at you Lawrence!

    Lawrence :
    @Robert – wow, what an interesting study…
    http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/17/another-weak-study-proves-vaccines-cause-autism/
    Yeah, that study doesn’t really say what you think it says……using bad Science again Robert? Not a good track records…..

    Your source isn’t what you think it is, is it? Or maybe it is but you don’t really care. You have chosen ONE study to attack. Why? Oh, I know why! It’s the one that someone BLOGGED about. Not only just a blog, it is a blog with zero citations to bolster the claims. That makes it a mere opinion piece. I believe that you yourself have criticized others for posting blogs as “evidence”. What about the other ones, son? Nothing to say? That, in law, equals concession. Actually, I don’t really care if you concede the others or not. It is really not relevant to posting the truth that there are myriad studies showing the link. You and yours just choose to ignore them. I only picked a few at random, there are many many more.

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  11. July 13, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    @Robert – because the other studies you’ve chosen to cite have also been shown to be “crap” science as well…..I just get a little tired of debunking the same old stuff over and over and over again…..

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  12. Robert
    July 13, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Lawrence :
    @Robert – because the other studies you’ve chosen to cite have also been shown to be “crap” science as well…..I just get a little tired of debunking the same old stuff over and over and over again…..

    It doesn’t matter what you think. These are peer reviewed studies that have been published that refute your claims. End of.

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  13. Robert
    July 13, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    I also have noted that you have not tried to defend your “evidentiary” blog. Thanks for that. At least you can tacitly admit that you are a) a hypocrite and b) unable to really refute the studies. As I said, I have many many more….

    No comment on the dangers of a flu vaccine that is specifically used to provoke inflammation and cause cardiac problems? Didn’t think so.

    So Annals of Epidemiology and Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology are quack journals now?

    It is obvious that you will summarily dismiss any source, no matter how legitimate, if it challenges your views. The word you are search for is “cognitive dissonance”. And yes, I think its in the DSM…

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  14. novalox
    July 13, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    @robert

    Ah, going to the old insult and ad hominem route, I see.

    So you admit then that you have no argument since you have not brought up any credible support for you assertions, and that you cede your argument to Lawrence, eh?

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  15. dingo199
    July 13, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Robert, I see you cited 4 studies in a weak attempt to claim vaccines cause autism. (I say “cited” advisedly, because you only bothered to link to one of the articles, but I guess that is better than linking to a commentary on some New World Order conspiracy site like you did last time).

    In the real world, this futile exercise is known as “straw clutching”.

    As has been said by Lawrence, the lame articles by Burbacher and the Hep B study in infants have been so widely and comprehensively debunked in the last 8 years that not to know this you must be either a rabid antivax disinformationist hoping to confuse newbies to the vaccine debate, or to have just arrived from Mars. (I’m assuming you must be the former). Wanting us to go through them again and again is rather wasteful of everyone’s time.

    You even misunderstood the Burbacher study. You said:

    Since encephalitis (brain inflammation) has been positively linked to later ASD, I particularly found this [Burbacher] study to be quite a revelation.

    You were never one to hide your ignorance, were you, but odd to see you so proud to display it. Burbacher doesn’t mention encephalitis. Despite wasting the lives of the study monkeys, they didn’t even bother doing histopathological sections of the tissues they used for mercury analysis. Tut, tut, how remiss of them (I guess they might have done so, and failed to report them since no changes were found, and the was no difference between groups?).
    You see, mercury neurotoxicity causes not an inflammatory encephalitis, but a toxic encephalopathy. I know that often encephalitis and encephalopathy are used synonymously by those who don’t know better, but they are distinct entities, and wrt mercury I suggest you don’t conflate them. “Revelation” indeed….

    And so what of the other 2 articles you mention? You freely admit that one isn’t even about vaccines and the other is not about autism, yet they comprise the main proof of your “vaccines cause autism” portfolio? …..Please…Stop…Now.

    If as it seems you have nothing original or of merit to say, please go away, and leave discussions here to people who know something about science, evidence and who have some common sense.

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  16. dingo199
    July 13, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Robert :

    Lawrence :
    @Robert – because the other studies you’ve chosen to cite have also been shown to be “crap” science as well…..I just get a little tired of debunking the same old stuff over and over and over again…..

    It doesn’t matter what you think. These are peer reviewed studies that have been published that refute your claims. End of.

    I gotta laugh. You see Robert,the claim is from you and your mates that “Vaccines cause autism”. Burden of proof dictates that you are the ones who need to provide valid scientific evidence that is plausible and reproducible demonstrating this.

    You evidently think your citations are for the explicit purpose of “refuting” Lawrence’s claims, but he isn’t the one making the claim. Get it already?

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  17. Robert
    July 13, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    novalox :
    @robert
    Ah, going to the old insult and ad hominem route, I see.
    So you admit then that you have no argument since you have not brought up any credible support for you assertions, and that you cede your argument to Lawrence, eh?

    I stated a fact about Lawrence based on his own actions. Yes, the snide remark was just that, but it does not take away from the fact that Lawrence is claiming (as is dingo) that “these things are debunked” without a shred of evidence. That, my dear, is called an assertion, and assertions cannot be “proven” by citing blogs promoting assertions. And that last statement is an “argument” since you obviously don’t recognize what one really is. It is a chain of statements, each contingent upon the previous starting from a point of truth and moving through each point to a valid conclusion.

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  18. Robert
    July 13, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    dingo199 :
    Robert, I see you cited 4 studies in a weak attempt to claim vaccines cause autism. (I say “cited” advisedly, because you only bothered to link to one of the articles, but I guess that is better than linking to a commentary on some New World Order conspiracy site like you did last time).
    In the real world, this futile exercise is known as “straw clutching”.
    As has been said by Lawrence, the lame articles by Burbacher and the Hep B study in infants have been so widely and comprehensively debunked in the last 8 years that not to know this you must be either a rabid antivax disinformationist hoping to confuse newbies to the vaccine debate, or to have just arrived from Mars. (I’m assuming you must be the former). Wanting us to go through them again and again is rather wasteful of everyone’s time.
    You even misunderstood the Burbacher study. You said:

    Since encephalitis (brain inflammation) has been positively linked to later ASD, I particularly found this [Burbacher] study to be quite a revelation.

    You were never one to hide your ignorance, were you, but odd to see you so proud to display it. Burbacher doesn’t mention encephalitis. Despite wasting the lives of the study monkeys, they didn’t even bother doing histopathological sections of the tissues they used for mercury analysis. Tut, tut, how remiss of them (I guess they might have done so, and failed to report them since no changes were found, and the was no difference between groups?).
    You see, mercury neurotoxicity causes not an inflammatory encephalitis, but a toxic encephalopathy. I know that often encephalitis and encephalopathy are used synonymously by those who don’t know better, but they are distinct entities, and wrt mercury I suggest you don’t conflate them. “Revelation” indeed….
    And so what of the other 2 articles you mention? You freely admit that one isn’t even about vaccines and the other is not about autism, yet they comprise the main proof of your “vaccines cause autism” portfolio? …..Please…Stop…Now.
    If as it seems you have nothing original or of merit to say, please go away, and leave discussions here to people who know something about science, evidence and who have some common sense.

    Wow, what a tirade!! Especially since the inflammation study I was referring to, was from Steve Perring using the flu vaccine to cause inflammation to study inflammatory effects on cardiac conditions, but never mind the details, eh? You do like to jump to conclusions and fly off on one don’t you… I guess it makes it easier for you to ignore the fact that inflammation, which is linked to autism, is a very common side effect of the flu vaccine. So common, in fact, that it was the chosen stimulus for the study of inflammation on other conditions. Hmmmm

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  19. Jean Market
    July 13, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    I have proof my child was injured by her vaccines. Jenny, along with many Dr’s and Scientists, have done their research and understand how too many vaccines at once play a HUGE part in autism and other immune response diseases. Do your homework people. I say YES Hire her she’s smart and entertaining!! GO JENNY!!

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  20. Chris
    July 13, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    And yet another sock puppet: “I have proof my child was injured by her vaccines.”

    Sure. How is your claim with the NVICP going?

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  21. Lawrence
    July 13, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    @Jean – perhaps you’d like to list these “doctors” and “scientists?”

    I’m pretty sure we can guess which ones you’ll pick (all notorious anti-vax cranks).

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  22. dingo199
    July 13, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    Well Robert, i like the way you quickly skipped past all the points I made in my “rant” without addressing any of them. (Mind you, they are pretty clearcut and so are effectively unanswerable). If you were referring to the “influenza vaccine inflammation study” then maybe you should have been a bit clearer. Maybe Chris could give you some tips on accuracy and style. Not that the fact you were referring to the flu study helps you one bit; since the study never mentioned “encephalitis”.

    Your logic leaves a lot to be desired, and you make gigantic leaps of imagination.

    To paraphrase your contribution here:

    “Vaccines cause autism, here as proof I will present one study so overwhelming in its rock-solid conclusions that everyone will believe me, for ever and ever and I will win the internet!”
    “Here it is…see! This is an abstract from a substudy on flu vaccine where 15 of 71 subjects had trivial heart rate variability changes which the authors themselves describe as “suggesting a response to a small inflammatory provocation” but in which the group of 71 as a whole had no significant overall changes in this or any other cardiac parameter (5 were tested)”
    “From this I have decided, on a whim, that flu vaccine causes encephalitis, and I imagine encephalitis causes autism. It must do because I say so! So there! Proof!!!”

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  23. July 13, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    To be fully consistent, supporters of the CDC recommended vaccination schedule – beginning with pediatricians – would have themselves vaccinated with that full schedule, so as not to become vectors of the illnesses they fear. I do not recommend this ! But they should seriously consider it, because if they’re not vaccinated, they may in fact be at risk to pass on those illnesses. If you’re a vaccine advocate, ask yourself – would you take this step without giving the vaccine-concerned literature a more in depth, open minded reading ?

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  24. Chris
    July 13, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    Mr. and Ms. Smith, do you have evidence the pediatricians do not vaccinate themselves and their children? Please make sure it is real research paper and not a random news article.

    I do know that in the three hospitals that my son got treated in last year vaccination require mandatory for all of those in came into contact with patients. One of them acted quickly when I told them their gift shop was selling “Autism Trust”, a magazine that has Andrew Wakefield as a consultant and advocated skipping vaccines. I found it right after my son’s nurse offered him a flu vaccine just before his discharge (he had already had one). They told me the supplier “accidentally” delivered it to their gift shop and that error has been corrected.

    I highly recommend the The CDC Pink Book as a one stop source of vaccine literature. It is comprehensive and very easy to read.

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  25. novalox
    July 13, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    @robert

    Again, thanks for admitting that you have no argument and tacitly admitting that you are wrong and Lawrence and dingo are right.

    Seriously, why should anyone take you seriously if you will not back up your assertions with facts?

    At least your utter failure in elementary school logic is amusing to read, just to see you falter time after time again.

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  26. Chris
    July 13, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    Bad sentence, Chris, bad! “I do know that in the three hospitals that my son got treated in last year vaccinations are mandatory for all of those in came into contact with patients.”

    In addition, the hospital where he had his surgery asked for his full shot records, along with the records pertaining to reason for the surgery. Additionally, I was glad that their policy would reduce the transmission of disease.

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  27. Kate Seravalli
    July 14, 2013 at 12:49 am

    Actually Jenny McCarthy DOES express my view and I am grateful that this site posted Bill Geddie’s address. I will be composing a letter to express how grateful I am to Jenny McCarthy for bringing the “truth” to light concerning the vaccines for myself and a million others whose life is touched by Autism everyday.
    Now if any of you good people can justify Mercury, Aluminum, polysorbate 80, Monkey Kidney Tissue, Formaldehyde, etc being injected into infants is a good thing, I am all ears!

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  28. Chris
    July 14, 2013 at 1:08 am

    It is safer than getting the diseases. If you have contrary evidence, then please post the PubMed indexed study by a qualified reputable researcher that there is a greater risk from a vaccine on the present American pediatric schedule than the disease. For example, measles causes encephalopathy at a rate of one in every thousand cases of measles, you need to show that the MMR vaccine causes more encephalopathy.

    And as for “qualified reputable researcher”, this means that no one whose medical credentials were legally stripped, or who has an inappropriate education like law, business, computer science, geology, journalism, etc. And since there is this big thing about “Conflict of Interest”, make sure the funding doesn’t come from a biased anti-vaccine group like the Dwoskin Family Foundation.

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  29. Chris
    July 14, 2013 at 1:15 am

    And, again, to clarify: the study should not say the “vaccine caused X side effects”, it must also compare it to the side effects of the disease. We need to know the relative risks, not that one ingredient causes something terrible when used in unrealistic quantities.

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  30. Kate Seravalli
    July 14, 2013 at 1:43 am

    Chris :
    Bad sentence, Chris, bad! “I do know that in the three hospitals that my son got treated in last year vaccinations are mandatory for all of those in came into contact with patients.”
    In addition, the hospital where he had his surgery asked for his full shot records, along with the records pertaining to reason for the surgery. Additionally, I was glad that their policy would reduce the transmission of disease.

    Chris :
    It is safer than getting the diseases. If you have contrary evidence, then please post the PubMed indexed study by a qualified reputable researcher that there is a greater risk from a vaccine on the present American pediatric schedule than the disease. For example, measles causes encephalopathy at a rate of one in every thousand cases of measles, you need to show that the MMR vaccine causes more encephalopathy.
    And as for “qualified reputable researcher”, this means that no one whose medical credentials were legally stripped, or who has an inappropriate education like law, business, computer science, geology, journalism, etc. And since there is this big thing about “Conflict of Interest”, make sure the funding doesn’t come from a biased anti-vaccine group like the Dwoskin Family Foundation.

    Jean Market :
    I have proof my child was injured by her vaccines. Jenny, along with many Dr’s and Scientists, have done their research and understand how too many vaccines at once play a HUGE part in autism and other immune response diseases. Do your homework people. I say YES Hire her she’s smart and entertaining!! GO JENNY!!

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  31. Chris
    July 14, 2013 at 1:54 am

    I am sorry, but quoting comments is not verifiable scientific evidence. Do you have a point, or are you just another sock puppet or a store to buy denim trousers?

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  32. Kate Seravalli
    July 14, 2013 at 1:58 am

    Jean I agree with you. My son is also vaccine injured! I just met Jenny at “Autism One” back in May. Jenny and Robert Kennedy were the Keynote speakers. They did a great job. It was nice to be with thousands of people who actually “know” all the harm these vaccines have caused. There were many, many doctors In attendance as well. These doctors actually care enough to have done their research and have helped so many of “our” kids on the spectrum through nutrition and Bio-meds. 1 in 50 now, it is more then just an epidemic, it is a National Catastrophe!

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  33. Robert
    July 14, 2013 at 1:58 am

    dingo199 :

    You were never one to hide your ignorance, were you, but odd to see you so proud to display it. Burbacher doesn’t mention encephalitis. Despite wasting the lives of the study monkeys, they didn’t even bother doing histopathological sections of the tissues they used for mercury analysis. Tut, tut, how remiss of them (I guess they might have done so, and failed to report them since no changes were found, and the was no difference between groups?).
    You see, mercury neurotoxicity causes not an inflammatory encephalitis, but a toxic encephalopathy. I know that often encephalitis and encephalopathy are used synonymously by those who don’t know better, but they are distinct entities, and wrt mercury I suggest you don’t conflate them. “Revelation” indeed….
    And so what of the other 2 articles you mention? You freely admit that one isn’t even about vaccines and the other is not about autism, yet they comprise the main proof of your “vaccines cause autism” portfolio? …..Please…Stop…Now.
    If as it seems you have nothing original or of merit to say, please go away, and leave discussions here to people who know something about science, evidence and who have some common sense.

    What did you want me to say? That you were making irrelevant points about some straw man argument that you created in your own mind? You did. I am merely pointing out that the “safe and effective” mantra is a complete fallacy steeped in commercial sloganism and has nothing to do with actual independent research. Also, there is research that contradicts your views, you just choose to ignore it. That is not my problem, that is yours. Go on, my son, get all of your shots. Go get your HPV at the same time and add a few extra flu shots from the past few years just to be safe. Have you had measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis, hep b or any other supposed VPD? No? Better go get a full round of shots then, just to be safe. I really don’t care. Everybody needs to make their own decisions based on the available research, not just the research you arrogant people deem to be “legitimate”, but all available research. As a human being I, and everyone else, have the God given ability to think and make my own decisions as to what I consider to be legitimate and worth consideration and for what reasons. Because we disagree doesn’t give you the right to belittle, bully or demean me. The fact that you choose this route highlights the fact that all you are trying to do is bully people who disagree with you.

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  34. Robert
    July 14, 2013 at 2:06 am

    Chris :
    It is safer than getting the diseases. If you have contrary evidence, then please post the PubMed indexed study by a qualified reputable researcher that there is a greater risk from a vaccine on the present American pediatric schedule than the disease. For example, measles causes encephalopathy at a rate of one in every thousand cases of measles, you need to show that the MMR vaccine causes more encephalopathy.
    And as for “qualified reputable researcher”, this means that no one whose medical credentials were legally stripped, or who has an inappropriate education like law, business, computer science, geology, journalism, etc. And since there is this big thing about “Conflict of Interest”, make sure the funding doesn’t come from a biased anti-vaccine group like the Dwoskin Family Foundation.

    Oh dear Chris, you are at it again. Just like dingo, you feel the need to bully and control everything. You know exactly what you are doing. By pretending to be the arbiter of all that is legitimate, you are basically eliminating mountains of research which disagrees with your assertions. Show me the studies that vaccines actually work. Show me the studies that vaccines are safe. Not statistics. Real double blind random controlled studies between people who have and have not received the vaccines. Let’s not hear the ethical “it can’t be done” argument because that presupposes that the studies have already been done when they have not. Claiming that you can’t test whether vaccines actually work because it will “put people at risk of the disease” without knowing whether they really work is complete nonsense and wholly against the scientific method.

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  35. Chris
    July 14, 2013 at 2:30 am

    How is asking for real evidence a “need to bully and control everything”?

    I am not the arbiter of all that is legitimate. I am saving time by not accepting your conspiracy theories. There is real research, and then there are the conspiracy theories you submit from folks who don’t have a clue. Like the webpage of “research” from a retired cop, who is retired only because he was originally fired for beating up someone.

    “Real double blind random controlled studies between people who have and have not received the vaccines. Let’s not hear the ethical “it can’t be done” argument because that presupposes that the studies have already been done when they have not.”

    I have not said that “it can’t be done” for a very long time. Instead I have encouraged you and your fellow sock puppets to design the study making sure it conformed to the Belmont Report, get the study design approved by a real IRB, and then write a funding grant. And then I suggested you submit that grant to organizations that have previously funded studies like SafeMInds, Generation Rescue, NVIC, Autism Speaks, and Autism Trust.

    Why haven’t you done that? Surely you and the rest who come here saying it should be done are enough to get that job done. You should ask the all the others who agree with you here to help you.

    Come on, Jean Market, Kate Seravalli and Mr./Mrs. Smith! Help Robert get that study done. Make sure you get all of Ms. Parker’s sock puppets to help you, as well as Jason and his friends.

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  36. novalox
    July 14, 2013 at 3:23 am

    @kate seravalli

    Do you know the saying “The dose is the poison?”

    First of all, when has elemental mercury ever been used in vaccines?

    Second of all. you do know that aluminum is one of the most common elements in the earth, and that, unless you have been fasting, you probably have consumed a lot more than a vaccine will ever contain.

    Same with formaldehyde, your body produces more in a day than all of the vaccinations one will have in a lifetime.

    Also, if you consume ice cream, you’ve probably consumed more polysorbate 80 in a typical serving than you’d get for a vaccine.

    @robert

    Tone troll much? At least we can see with your utter failure of basic elementary school science and whining that you cannot bring anything of substance to the table, but at least you are good for a few cheap laughs.

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  37. dingo199
    July 14, 2013 at 6:03 am

    Robert, you really don’t get it do you. You are the one claiming vaccines do all sorts of horrible things, and seem to be trying to persuade others they are measures that should be avoided at all costs.

    It is not a question of blind faith that vaccines are “safe and effective”, it is a question of risk benefit. The vaccines are, broadly speaking, safe and effective. Not 100%, no, but then I wonder what your life would be like if you applied this nirvana fallacy to everything you did. “Shall you belt up when you get behind the driver’s seat? Well, I guess not, because seat belts are not “safe” (they have injured or even killed people), nor are they always “effective” (not everyone wearing one avoids serious injury). So go ahead, make your choice, and tell your family they don’t need seat belts.
    In fact, why are you even driving your car? How can cars be “safe and effective” when 30,000 people die in MVAs each year?
    And whatever you do, don’t eat. After all, eating is not 100% safe either, and not always effective at correcting nutritional deficiency.
    Poor Robert, you can’t do anything, can you?

    You wish to make your own decisions, fine, go ahead, leave you and your loved ones unprotected from VPDs. Things like measles, diphtheria are just a plane ride away, tetanus lurks in your back yard, pertussis and meningococcus are living next door.

    But don’t try and convince others that your selfish views (yes selfish, because you clearly are one of those freeloaders who relies on the protective cocoon provided by the largely vaccinated community in which you live) have general merit.

    The more people you persuade not to be vaccinated, the worse the longer term outlook becomes for your family, since exposure to these diseases will become a matter of “when”, and not “if”.

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  38. dingo199
    July 14, 2013 at 6:11 am

    Robert, try putting these words into google*:

    randomised double blind vaccine safety efficacy

    478,000 hits.
    Read all the studies, then come back to us sometime (I reckon in around 4 or 5 years time, more if you have a full time job and not much free time) and tell us why you think that there are no ” Real double blind random controlled studies between people who have and have not received the vaccines”.

    * I would have suggested PubMed, but I appreciate your sciency skills are limited.

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  39. Lawrence
    July 14, 2013 at 11:48 am

    A simple search in PubMed shows Robert is lying about the lack of “randomised double blind vaccine safety efficacy” studies….

    Time to move the goalposts again Robert, or accuse us again of being “pharma-shills” which will be taken as your conceding the argument.

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  40. Narad
    July 14, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    It is not a question of disagreeing or agreeing with her. It is a question of censorship. ABC is a commercial broadcaster.

    Oh, the irony. Robert, do you even understand the problem with juxtaposing the last two sentences?

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  41. Narad
    July 14, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    So Annals of Epidemiology and Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology are quack journals now?

    The first one was a conference abstract. If you could tell a journal from a hole in the ground, you would not have committed this error. The second “you” characterize as follows:

    This new study from France utilizes a new and sophisticated measurement for environmental toxicity by assessing porphyrin levels in autistic children. It provides clear and unequivocal evidence that children with autism spectrum disorders are more toxic than their neurotypical peers.

    I put “you” in quotes because this is merely a cut-and-paste from fourteenstudies.org. Generation Rescue, to which their link points, apparently figured out that overt redistribution of copyrighted material is a Bad Idea.

    No problem, though, as such thievery is practically de rigueur in such circles. Now, given that you have no doubt scrutinized this carefully, please tell me the size of the actual control group.

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  42. Narad
    July 14, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    (It would also help if you could explain why “precoproporphyrin” sort of doesn’t exist (PDF).

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  43. Kathy
    July 14, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    I agree with Kate, Jean, and Robert. Jenny does represent my view, and I also have a vaccine-damaged child, and have written to thank ABC for hiring Jenny.

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  44. Chris
    July 14, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    And, Kathy, you should join them to do that study that Robert wants. You can also answer the question in Comment #28.

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  45. July 14, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    @Kathy – except, she hasn’t been hired yet & there is a good probability that this was nothing more than a rumor started by her publicist……

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  46. dingo199
    July 15, 2013 at 3:57 am

    Narad :(It would also help if you could explain why “precoproporphyrin” sort of doesn’t exist (PDF).

    The perennial problem with the “scientists” who try and magic up links between autism and vaccines is that they are poor scientists and hardly ever do their studies stand up to minimal scrutiny. I suspect this is because these type of scientists gravitate to the scientific fringe; they know that there are plenty of people willing to accept poor science and who will never challenge a study so long as it has the “right” outcome.
    Excerable compilations like the “14 studies” just reveal how biased the antivax community is, and how poor they are at determining what comprises good science and bad science.

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  47. July 15, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    It has been announced today that McCarthy is a new co-host and will start in September. Therefore, whether you love her or hate her, your only option at this point is to vote via your remote control.

    That said, Jenny’s stance on vaccines actually makes her MORE attractive to ABC, because controversy breeds ratings. Why else do you think talk radio’s biggest stars are those who are the most controversial, or why Piers Morgan and Bill O’Reilly still have television shows?

    This will likely be a goldmine for ABC… and they know it.

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  48. July 15, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    @Costner – hopefully she’ll fall flat on her face….or appear totally ridiculous (or both).

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  49. July 15, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Have you seen her hosting the New Years Eve celebrations in NYC? She always appears ridiculous and outrageous – that is why they keep bringing her back! People love to feel morally superior and more intelligent to those we watch on television which is exactly why television shows like Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, Big Brother, and Duck Dynasty are so incredibly popular on television. McCarthy fits the role very well – the more shocking she is and the more times she inserts her foot into her mouth, the more viewers will tune in.

    Now that Barbara Walters has announced her retirement in 2014, what little control she had over the reins at The View will be dropped and the show will most likely take a left handed turn to crazy town (in order to appear to be more relevant and appeal to the younger demographic that prefers Maury and Jerry Springer instead of 20/20 and Dateline).

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  50. Gray Falcon
    July 15, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Actually, it seems the reason they have shows like those is because they’re cheap to produce. Nobody seems to watch TV anymore: It’s all Netflix and Hulu now.

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  51. Kathy
    July 15, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Sounds like sour grapes, Gray. This is so furious a debate because there are ao many thousands affected by vaccine damage, and everyone else is scared.

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  52. Chris
    July 15, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Kathy: “This is so furious a debate because there are ao many thousands affected by vaccine damage,”

    Evidence? Since Ms. McCarthy thought the MMR caused her son’s seizures over year after he had it, just post the PubMed indexed study by a qualified reputable researcher that shows the MMR vaccine with the Jeryl Lynn mumps component causes more seizures than measles.

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  53. Lawrence
    July 15, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    @kathy – so, for all those time studies were released that showed no link between vaccines, autism or large numbers of “adverse reaction” I guess all of the anti-vax complaints were just sour grapes, right?

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  54. Kathy
    July 15, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Parents need to know what the MMR did to Evan, and many others. It doesn’t matter if measles can cause convulsions etc. as well, parents need to do their own research and make their own choice. If measles causes convulsions in ten out of a thousand, and the MMR causes them in eight out of a thousand, the parents of those eight would rather their child not have gotten the MMR. Risk on both sides, parents’ choice. If Evan hadn’t gotten the MMR, he wouldn’t have had all the problems he did.

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  55. Lawrence
    July 15, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    @kathy – you do know that Evan was never autistic, right?

    All evidence points to an unrelated genetic condition.

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  56. Lawrence
    July 15, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    @kathy – no surprise your “facts” are wrong:

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/mmr.html

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  57. Chris
    July 15, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Kathy: “Parents need to know what the MMR did to Evan, and many others.”

    How does a vaccine give a kid seizures at least a year after he gets them? What is your evidence?

    “If measles causes convulsions in ten out of a thousand, and the MMR causes them in eight out of a thousand,”

    Citation needed.

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  58. July 16, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Kathy :
    Parents need to know what the MMR did to Evan, and many others.

    Parents really need to know what the mumps or measles can do to a child. That is somewhat the problem – many parents and grandparents grew up in an age when you would see the impact of disease. They would see people crippled by polio, they would hear of their friends being admitted to the hospital from vaccine preventable disease, and in some cases those friends never came back. So they ensured their children were vaccinated and did everything in their power to prevent the spread of disease.

    These days we don’t hear about someone dying from polio, and most of the outbreaks of measles seem distant… for the vast majority of us they never impact our family or friends, so it doesn’t register. So now the younger generation has no memory of what these diseases were capable of. This results in people starting to wonder if vaccines actually do anything, and then they hear a celebrity like McCarthy suggest vaccines injured her son and next thing you know they start wondering if they should vaccinate their own children.

    Sadly, many parents won’t recognize their mistake until it is too late to prevent their child from suffering the effects of some of these diseases. In most cases they won’t be severe – but I can’t imagine a parent looking at his or her child and knowing they are suffering due to no reason other than the fear and ignorance of the parent.

    I honestly don’t think this trend of vaccine ignorance will change until we either have a massive widespread outbreak of disease, or until we see an ad campaign that shows in graphic detail what the true impact of vaccine preventable disease can be.

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  59. Scott Powers
    July 16, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Lawrence: Wrong, Evan was diagnosed with autism in 2005.

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  60. July 16, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    @SP – hmmm…not really what Jenny is saying now, is it?

    http://hollywoodlife.com/2010/02/26/jenny-mccarthy-says-her-son-evan-never-had-autism/

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  61. Scott Powers
    July 16, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Lawrence:

    #1 I have no idea what Jenny is saying now. “Hollywood Life”, seriously Lawrence?

    #2 If in fact Jenny is making this claim, so what? The fact is, Evan was diagnosed with autism just as many, many other children are.

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  62. Gray Falcon
    July 16, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Scott, this is Jenny McCarthy we’re talking about. “Hollywood Life” is high-brow for her. I get the feeling her joining “The View” will not help their ratings much.

    It’s saying something about modern television that one of the most interesting, well-rounded, and dynamic female characters on TV nowadays is a magical purple unicorn named Twilight Sparkle.

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  64. dingo199
    July 16, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Scott Powers :
    If in fact Jenny is making this claim, so what? The fact is, Evan was diagnosed with autism just as many, many other children are.

    I get it.
    When Jenny said Evan has autism, her “Mommy instinct” is praised and her opinion is uncritically accepted.
    When Jenny admits Evan dose not have autism, you accuse her of lying.

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  65. Scott Powers
    July 16, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Dingo:

    #1 I don’t know that Jenny admitted that Evan did not have autism. He was diagnosed with autism.

    #2 If Jenny does now think that Evan didn’t have autism, why would she be lying? He was diagnosed with autism just as many other children are diagnosed with autism. So no, I do not accuse her of lying.

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  66. July 16, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    @SP – so, if the diagnosis was incorrect (and given Evan’s “miraculous” recovery, it sounds like it was), then what is your point?

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  67. Scott Powers
    July 16, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    We have named perceived “symptoms” or “traits” as autistic. But just because I may share certain traits and personality disorders as a psychopath, doesn’t mean I also am one.
    This is a case where language hasn’t served us well. Think of an autistic child as someone that has a genetic disability to process toxins at the level most people can. This genetic disadvantage may not ever be put to the test if the body does not come into contact with large quantities of such toxins. These can be toxins found in food, environment, medications, vaccines, etc. But if the right mix and amount of these toxins attack that child, their genetic disadvantage comes center stage and these autism-like symptoms and traits appear. We would like to easily classify these things so we lump them all in as being “autistic” but these kids really have physiological issues that can be resolved with changes in diet, environment, supplements and therapy. Are there also people that truly are “autistic” and their issue is an actual brain developmental problem? I believe so. It is to the disservice of both types of cases that we label them all “autistic”.

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  68. Kath
    July 16, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    What difference would it make if Evan really had speech and neurological problems triggered by the vaccine and eventually diagnosed as Landau-Kleffner syndrome?

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  69. Gray Falcon
    July 16, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    If I lacked the ability to process toxins at the level most people can, I’d be bedridden. The world is not as pure and pristine as you think it is.

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  70. Chris
    July 16, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    Kath:

    What difference would it make if Evan really had speech and neurological problems triggered by the vaccine

    Well, we’d go back to these numbers if we stopped vaccinating for measles:
    Disease: Measles in the USA
    Year__Cases____Deaths
    1950__319,124__468
    1951__530,118__683
    1952__683,077__618
    1953__449,146__462
    1954__682,720__518
    1955__555,156__345
    1956__611,936__530
    1957__486,799__389
    1958__763,094__552
    1959__406,162__385
    1960__441,703__380

    For each one of those deaths, there were two to three times as many who were suffered permanent neurological damage. Then there was the deafness caused by mumps, and the damage caused by Congenital Rubella Syndrome, which includes blindness, deafness and even autism.

    So, Kath, where is that PubMed indexed study showing the MMR causes a high rate of seizures? You can start with the The Clinical Significance of Measles: A Review, which says:

    Postinfectious encephalomyelitis (PIE) occurs in 13 per 1000 infected persons, usually 3–10 days after onset of rash [39, 131]. Higher rates of PIE due to measles occur in adolescents and adults than in school-aged children (table 2 [124, 132, 133]). PIE usually begins with the abrupt onset of new fever, seizures, altered mental status, and multifocal neurological signs [131, 134]. Although measles virus was found in cerebrovascular endothelial cells in a person who died during the first few days of rash [135], the virus usually is not found in the central nervous systems of persons with PIE. PIE appears to be caused by an abnormal immune response that affects myelin basic protein [61, 136]. As many as 25% of people with PIE due to measles die, and ∼33% of survivors have lifelong neurological sequelae, including severe retardation, motor impairment, blindness, and sometimes hemiparesis [39, 131].

    Oh, and for the record, again, her son started to have seizures a year after getting the MMR vaccine.

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  71. July 16, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    @Kath – because that particular syndrome is entirely genetic…..

    @SP – so any actual scientific proof for any of that? I mean, we certainly know individuals that can’t filter toxins – they have kidney failure and require dialysis….so, what are you talking about? Any actual identified biological mechanism that has ever been seen?

    I mean, you have anything to suppor that view at all?

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  72. Christine Vara
    July 16, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    As a follow-up to this post, I wanted to let our readers know that Every Child By Two’s Executive Director, Amy Pisani, has been contacted by several reporters to discuss Jenny McCarthy’s position on vaccines and ABC’s decision to sign her as a co-host on ‘The View’. You can read her comments in the USA Today and the LA Times and tune in Access Hollywood tonight to hear Mrs. Pisani explain her concerns with celebrities who continue to spout off scientific untruths that could threaten the health of our children. Thank you for all those who understand the concerns that vaccine advocates have with Ms. McCarthy having an open platform to continue to propagate dangerous misinformation.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2013/07/15/abc-the-view-jenny-mccarthy-barbara-walters/2517659/

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-jenny-mccarthy-2-20130716,0,3853890.story?page=2

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  73. July 16, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    @Christine – good that people are interested in the “other side” or right side, as I like to call it. I assume that Jenny will either be held on a fairly short leash or better yet, given enough “rope” to hang herself on the air….

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  74. Katherine
    July 16, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    Lawrence,
    But if it was Landau-Kleffner syndrome, it only manifested as a direct result of Evan’s MMR, sort of like Hannah Poling, whom some say (not I) that she had a preexisting mito disorder which was triggered by the vaccines to cause her autism. If she hadn’t gotten the vaccines, she wouldn’t have gotten autism. And, since the MMR causes more death and destruction than even the small percentage of measles deaths you cite, Chris, you’ll have to leave it to the parents to decide which risk they prefer to take.

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  75. Chris
    July 16, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    Katherine:

    But if it was Landau-Kleffner syndrome, it only manifested as a direct result of Evan’s MMR, sort of like Hannah Poling

    Exactly how? Especially since the seizures did not start until a year later. His seizures started when he was almost two and a half years old, the MMR vaccine is given at fifteen months. How does a vaccine cause that kind of reaction when there are so many other things that his immune system deals with on a daily basis (like living)?

    And, since the MMR causes more death and destruction than even the small percentage of measles deaths you cite,

    Citation needed. Provide the actual factual literature that the MMR vaccine causes death at a rate greater than measles in the first world, which is one out of a thousand cases. And make sure it is real verified scientific literature and not a random anecdote.

    And here is another thing: Wakefield cooked up this whole “MMR causes autism” based on less than ten years of use in the UK, and fraudulent research (with help from a lawyer). Since an MMR vaccine with the Jeryl Lynn mumps component was introduced in 1971 in the USA, and it was the preferred vaccine for the 1978 Measles Elimination Program, that gives over ten years of use before the UK got it. Now give us the PubMed indexed paper dated before 1990 that there was an autism increase in the USA due to its MMR vaccine. It is a much larger country, and the vaccine was in use there much longer than the time period that Wakefield used in his “study.” So if it is real, there should be prior evidence.

    If you cannot answer in your next comment, we will assume you just made up that quote.

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  76. Chris
    July 16, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Also, if you make the same claim that “the MMR causes more death and destruction than even the small percentage of measles deaths you cite” with yet another sock puppet, Ms. Parker, we will still assume you made it up out of thin air.

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  77. July 17, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Katherine :
    But if it was Landau-Kleffner syndrome, it only manifested as a direct result of Evan’s MMR

    You have exactly zero evidence to support such a statement. You could just as well say Evan’s Landau-Kleffner syndrome was manifested as a direct result of him consuming a jelly sandwich one week prior to the onset of symptoms, and sadly there is just as much evidence as that being the case as there is to support a link to the MMR shot.

    You’ll have to do better… much better. As in citing any shred of science to support a genetic disorder such as Landau-Kleffner being ‘triggered’ by the MMR shot.

    Katherine :
    And, since the MMR causes more death and destruction than even the small percentage of measles deaths you cite, Chris, you’ll have to leave it to the parents to decide which risk they prefer to take.

    You can’t just run around making things up and presenting them as if they are facts. If you make a bold claim such as this, then it is your duty to support it with evidence, so by all means please cite your sources which prove the MMR vaccine causes more death and destruction than the diseases it is designed to prevent.

    We’ll be waiting.

    Unless of course you feel people should just be able to make things up and we have to accept them as fact. Which if that is the case, I’d like to go on record as saying that vaccines are known to add 18 years to our lives, they have been known to cause a trigger in the brain which allows people to pick winning lottery numbers, and they reduce the chances that you will suffer from kidney stones by 84%. Even more amazing is that vaccines are shown to give natural immunity to vampire bites, and recent evidence suggests that a fully vaccinated person makes on average 84% more in lifetime earnings than a person who is unvaccinated.

    Of course using your rules I apparently don’t need to support any of those statements with evidence and therefore you are expected to take my word for it.

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  78. Chris
    July 17, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Here is a quote from Ms. Parker: Just remember that Europe has had 266, 074 cases of measles this year as of October 26, and only nine deaths. The VAERS received reports of 3,427 adverse reactions to the MMR last year, 2010, and fifteen deaths.

    This is why I believe that Katherine is Ms. Parker. She is dismissing the real and verified deaths from measles, and wants us to take the raw self-selected VAERS data at face value. Despite being told many times that it is not been verified, including in that very thread, here. Especially since she seems to have changed some numbers in her comment. This is why she has been banned multiple times.

    So, Kathering/Cia, what you need to do is come up with verified reports that the MMR vaccine has caused ten deaths in the USA in 2012. That is one more than the “only nine” you mentioned. This does not mean raw VAERS reports, this means PubMed indexed case reports and official public health department confirmations that the MMR was the actual cause of death. Any less would mean you are just making stuff up.

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  79. Lauren @ the VEC
    July 18, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    For tips and resources when evaluating media reports for accuracy and reliability, check this page on the Vaccine Education Center’s website: http://bit.ly/EvaluatingScientificInfoandStudies

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  80. Robert
    July 18, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Chris :
    Here is a quote from Ms. Parker: Just remember that Europe has had 266, 074 cases of measles this year as of October 26, and only nine deaths. The VAERS received reports of 3,427 adverse reactions to the MMR last year, 2010, and fifteen deaths.
    This is why I believe that Katherine is Ms. Parker. She is dismissing the real and verified deaths from measles, and wants us to take the raw self-selected VAERS data at face value. Despite being told many times that it is not been verified, including in that very thread, here. Especially since she seems to have changed some numbers in her comment. This is why she has been banned multiple times.
    So, Kathering/Cia, what you need to do is come up with verified reports that the MMR vaccine has caused ten deaths in the USA in 2012. That is one more than the “only nine” you mentioned. This does not mean raw VAERS reports, this means PubMed indexed case reports and official public health department confirmations that the MMR was the actual cause of death. Any less would mean you are just making stuff up.

    Why are you so keen to make others “prove” their points, when you fail to even acknowledge the quoted statistics that show that your own assertions are false? Oh, I know why! You refuse to acknowledge anything that challenges your “holier than thou” attitude towards anyone who disagrees with you. And you also fail to admit that maybe there are a whole lot of people who disagree with you. You seem to only be able to mentally handle objections to your views by assuming that we are all the same person posing as different personas. Mind you, not a shred of evidence (which you demand from everyone else), just your own warped assertions. I think you may well need help Chris.

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  81. July 18, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Robert:

    Why are you so keen to make others “prove” their points, when you fail to even acknowledge the quoted statistics that show that your own assertions are false?

    What quoted statistics? Who quoted them, and are they part of this reality? Because all I have seen from you are made up stuff from conspiracy theorists.

    Also, it is not hard to tell when someone starts using Ms. Parker’s rather odd talking points that it is her. She has made some rather interesting comments, like the MMR vaccine has caused more death and destruction than measles. So, why shouldn’t I expect her to back them up with real data and not stuff she pulls out of thin air?

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  82. Gray Falcon
    July 18, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    Also, several times, Christine has noted that someone who has posted under the same IP address but different names, giving the exact same arguments each time. Think about it.

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  83. July 19, 2013 at 5:53 am

    @Robert – given that even some of the “sock-puppets” have confirmed that they’ve used multiple accounts (Ms. Parker & Joe are but two examples), I think I’ll take their word for it over yours…..

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  84. Robert
    July 19, 2013 at 6:28 am

    Defensive much Chris? I did not take issue in my comment about your paranoia. I have asked you to prove your own point without regard to anyone else’s point. You are merely deflecting attention away from the point I made about your “science”. And please… the use of the term “conspiracy theorist” is simply meant to discredit people without addressing their points. It is an ad hominem attack and really adds nothing to your own argument. In fact it detracts from your own credibility.

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  85. Robert
    July 19, 2013 at 6:30 am

    Ok, I mentioned it, but my point was primarily geared towards you not being a hypocrite.

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  86. Gray Falcon
    July 19, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Robert, if someone claims a conspiracy is committing criminal acts, but provides no evidence of such collusion, they are a conspiracy theorist by definition. Simply claiming “Big Pharma” faked some studies isn’t enough, one most prove those studies have been faked, with evidence.

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  87. Chris
    July 19, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Robert: “Defensive much Chris?”

    You claimed to have posted statistics, I just said you had not posted any.

    “I did not take issue in my comment about your paranoia.”

    Please learn how to use a dictionary, and read this blog’s comment policy, especially these lines:

    personal attacks of any kind;
    unsupported accusations;

    Now, stop derailing the thread with random insults and find some real data and evidence to support your claims. Ones that are from reputable researchers, ones that still have jobs in real research organizations.

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  88. Mike
    July 19, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    Chris….

    “personal attacks of any kind;
    unsupported accusations;”

    Why don’t you have your own cronies follow the rules.

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  89. Gray Falcon
    July 19, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    Mike, you made no effort whatsoever to support your accusation, so we can safely dismiss it.

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  90. July 23, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    yes yes we are all quite dumb in the mind while blind greedy vaccine (retro virus) manufactures are intelligent — tell us what causes Autism? HIV? MS? lupus? where did retro viruses come from? why do they have 2 little bits of genetic information that look like serpents? why does HIV with the V meaning virus have what looks to be leaves of a fig tree with a G? tell us how you are smarter than Almighty God—also tell us how God is not speaking to us and providing Light (means knowledge)—can you explain why you would choose to shoot a messenger sent to you? when did sister Jen ever appear as an “air head”? have been around a while don’t recall that—how do servants appear that still think injecting children with retro viruses is a good thing–do you really want the answer to that–neanderthals brain washed by blind stupid doctors who only wish to make beast money and care not to even take the time to look up the information given for the protection of their own children.yes.j

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  91. novalox
    July 24, 2013 at 2:08 am

    @mary

    Uh, yeah…

    Got any evidence supporting your little rant?

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  92. Gray Falcon
    July 24, 2013 at 8:44 am

    @Mary-Gladys: As a Christian, I am aware that wisdom is one of the high virtues of our religion. Please exercise some and stop taking pride in your ignorance.

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  93. July 24, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Just found this website, spent the last 20 minutes reading all these comments. @Robert, you are too much, freakin hilarious. Just so I am up to speed Robert: Articles and studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals are all part of a conspiracy, but blog posts and articles written on conspiracy theory websites are the real truth? Thanks.

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