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Amanda Peet Inspires Others to Take a Stand For Vaccines

amanda_peetAs a mother and blogger, I can’t imagine anything more motivating to my advocacy efforts than to have the opportunity to hear actor, mother and Every Child By Two Ambassador to the Shot@Life campaign Amanda Peet speak about her commitment to vaccines this past weekend.

There have been many times when I have wished to be a celebrity.  Not for the fame and fortune (thought undoubtedly that would be nice), but for the simple fact that celebrity status often affords one the luxury of an audience.  And no doubt, Amanda Peet had an interested audience.  Even if she wasn’t talking about what many would have expected.

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Amanda Peet, and several of the Shot@Life champions who attended the recent Mom 2.0 Summit, show how enthusiastic they are about childhood immunizations. Photo courtesy of Ana L. Flores ‏@laflowers.

In a session entitled Random Acts of Impact: The Power of Giving Back, Amanda, along with four other impressive women panelists, addressed a group of highly influential social media moms and women entrepreneurs at the Mom 2.0 Summit in California on Saturday.  She explained how she uses her celebrity as a platform and is working to bring awareness of the importance of childhood vaccines.  She emphasized how powerful it would be if others would also use their social media platforms to help promote immunizations and the Shot@Life campaign.

Her words were passionate, but what really spoke volumes were her actions.  Amanda talked about how she began working with Every Child by Two on their Vaccinate Your Baby campaign over five years ago.  At the time, Amanda was expecting her first child.  While others were using their celebrity status to question the safety of vaccines, Amanda decided to take her questions directly to the medical experts and look at what the science had to say.  After having her many questions answered and discovering various reputable sources such as the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP) and Every Child By Two, she realized just how important it was for children to receive all their recommended vaccines and she decided she that she wanted to help get the message out to others.

AmandaPeetPolioimageBut her efforts didn’t stop there.  As the Vaccinate Your Baby campaign went on to reach more than 500 million people with a message about the importance of timely vaccinations, she realized the critical need to increase access to vaccines for all children – especially those in developing countries who are at the greatest risk for vaccine preventable diseases.  This prompted her to become the Every Child By Two Ambassador to the United Nations Foundation’s Shot@Life campaign and extend her interest in immunizations in order to promote improved global access.

Amanda told the audience about her second daughter’s battle with whooping cough, which she contracted before she was able to complete the vaccination series.  She realized how lucky she was to live in the United States with close access to medical care.  However, the experience only helped highlight the fact that many mothers and children in developing countries, who lack access to live-saving vaccines, are not nearly as fortunate.

Her involvement with the United Nation Foundation has furthered her commitment by making her realize that the world is at a pivotal point in their efforts to eradicate polio.

 “We are this close to eradicating polio. It would be amazing if this could happen in our lifetime,” she said.  “We need to get children the vaccines they need and remember that polio anywhere is a threat to children everywhere. We live in a global community and we are responsible for not only our own children but also our neighbor’s children.”

By using her platform for change, and encouraging others to do the same, Amanda is hoping we can all do our part to raise awareness and make history together.

If you’re inspired to help protect children in developing countries from vaccine-preventable diseases, then be sure to find out more about the Shot@Life campaign.  And keep an eye on those bloggers who attended this Mom 2.0 Summit.  They are an inspirational group of women who are determined to bring about social change. And now, thanks to the work of people like Amanda Peet and organizations like Every Child By Two and Shot@Life – they are poised and ready to make a big difference in their communities and in the world.

During the Mom 2.0 Summit, Amanda Peet was interviewed by CNN/Headline News anchor Kyra Phillips about her work as an immunization ambassador.  We anticipate the interview will air soon and we hope to provide a clip of that interview when it becomes available. 
  1. Amanda
    May 8, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Once they take the cancer causing ingredients out of vaccines, more people will consider them. Until then, the vaccines do nothing but wear off in 5 years, and cause irreversible damage to some children. It is not acceptable to simply allow this to happen. It needs to be safe for 100% of the population. And the tests and trials need to be performed by independent labs, not by the makers of the vaccines !! It is also unnuecessary to vaccinate a 1 hour old baby with a vaccine for a SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE. Our current vaccination schedule is ridiculous, and unnecessary.

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  2. Lawrence
    May 8, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    @Amanda – please stop lying.

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  3. Amanda
    May 8, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    And let’s not forget the CDC admitting that the vaccines wear off, and that it’s actually the vaccinated kids who are spreading the diseases against which they are supposed to be vaccinated. Did you know that after some vaccinations you are actually suppsed to keep your kid quarantined?!?! Read the fine print. That’s how the vaxed kids are picking up whooping cough, it’s a new strain that only vaccinated kids get. And that’s how the older folks are getting shingles. Same with the measles outbreak. You need to read the fine print!!

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  4. Amanda
    May 8, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Definitely not lying, most of what I said is right on the CDC’s website ..

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  5. Chris
    May 8, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Amanda, citation needed.

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  6. novalox
    May 8, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    @amanda

    Have you ever heard,”the dose is the poison”

    Also, [citation needed] for your assertions, since we cannot take your word for it.

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  7. Chris
    May 8, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Amanda, you and your sock puppets will enjoy reading this:
    http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2100nrs.pdf

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  8. Derica Benoit
    May 8, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    Last year I attended a funeral of an 8 month little girl who died from her vaccine. There were over 500 hundred people there.. cause of death was determined and cited the vaccine was responsible. Doctors in our community refuse to vaccinate their children. The injuries/death are becoming more public with the internet and support groups. The non-vax community have healthy children and everytime there is an internet parent claiming their non-vax kid has autism.. they disapear when they are offered a plane ticket to meet this child for the non vax community has yet to come across a real live (Not on the internet) autistic child that was not vaccinated. I happen to know Lawrence, he lives in his mother’s basement and has no friends.

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  9. novalox
    May 8, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    @derica

    [citation needed]

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  10. Chris
    May 8, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Derica Benoit, provide actual evidence or at least the link to case at http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/opinions-decisions-0 through the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

    And then you say:

    The non-vax community have healthy children and everytime there is an internet parent claiming their non-vax kid has autism.

    So Kim Stagliano did this? Her youngest is not vaccinated, yet still has autism.

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  11. Chris
    May 8, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    Ms. Benoit, here are two things from a list:
    personal attacks of any kind;
    unsupported accusations;

    They are on the Comment Policy linked to on this page. Go read it.

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  12. May 9, 2013 at 5:48 am

    @Derica – oh, that’s harsh…..I wonder why the anti-vax community always devolves into “personal attacks.” Perhaps it is that they have no evidence to support their outrageous that they need to lash out against others…..pathetic really.

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  13. Collin
    May 9, 2013 at 11:59 am

    @novalox

    Citation needed. The dose is the poison?

    Schubert study…. It was found that the amount of lead and the amount of mercury, when given separately, would be lethal for one percent of rats tested, but would become lethal for one hundred percent of rats tested when combined together.

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  14. Chris
    May 9, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Collin, please provide the citation to that study.

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  15. May 9, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    @Chris – if it is the same study I’m thinking of, it was done about 50 years ago….you’d think they could quote something a bit more recent.

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  16. May 9, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    @Chris – my mistake, it came from here:

    http://www.flcv.com/hgsynerg.html

    Please notice that they use the Geier’s Study as a basis for their hypothesis.

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  17. May 10, 2013 at 1:40 am

    You want citations? There are a million out there, but just this one brings the hammer down. Green our vaccines. Until then my children will remain completely vax-free, I will get no more, and as soon as my husband is free of the Army and their guinea pig agenda he will be free of them too.

    http://vactruth.com/2012/09/18/fda-vaccine-autism-sids/

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  18. May 10, 2013 at 1:53 am

    AMANDA
    WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE CDC REPORT OF THE BIOPSY THEY DID ON MY SON AFTER HE WAS VACCINATED
    I THINK NOT
    I DONT THINK YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH
    THE FACTS
    VACCINES ARE DANGEROUS
    THEY KILL
    THEY LEAVE ONCE HEALTHY CHILDREN PERMANENTLY DAMAGED
    AND THEY DONT WORK
    IM SAD FOR THOSE CHILDREN YOU THINK YOU ARE HELPING

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  19. UR N OSTRICH
    May 10, 2013 at 2:07 am

    Correction for the last link posted in my comment regarding Dr. Poul Thorsen:

    https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/profiles.asp

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  20. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 2:23 am

    Dear sock puppets, please post the PubMed Identification Numbers of the studies that support your claims. Amy K., that does not mean random websites. “UR N OSTRICH”, try something other than ad hominem/strawmen for one minor person on a couple of studies out of dozens. Ms. Heeren, try something other than a random unsupported insult that is against this site’s comment policy. And Juliana, please find the shift key on your keyboard.

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  21. May 10, 2013 at 2:25 am

    I’ve tried to post a lot more for you to see, Chris. Interestingly enough the “moderator” isn’t letting any of the information though.

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  22. May 10, 2013 at 2:28 am

    I’d love to converse more with you, but it seems we aren’t allowed that conversation. I guess you’ll just have to look at it for yourself.

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  23. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 2:32 am

    Amyandmacy, none of those are PubMed indexed studies. Just post the PMID (PubMed Identification Numbers). Why is that so difficult? By the way the posting issues have to do with sock puppets.

    By the way, Ms. Heeren, I wish my oldest was as high functioning as your son. As a toddler he had seizures from a now vaccine preventable disease. What is hilarious is that while the only thing you posted was “pharmawhore”, you have this basic claim of “curing” you son with chelation, which can only be done with chemicals from pharmaceutical companies. Seriously?

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  24. May 10, 2013 at 2:34 am

    Oh, I’m getting around to it, Chris. You have to give me a few to get thru all of my lists, and to try to get thru this moderation that won’t allow everything.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

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  25. May 10, 2013 at 2:37 am

    I mean, I could keep going and going and going. You can build from those based upon the related citations from there. I’m sorry about your son, but you have to wonder about what could have also happened from any vaccinations. Neither option is risk free. If you vaccinate there are risks. If you don’t vaccinate there are risks. You just have to decide which is the greater risk.

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  26. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 2:38 am

    Dr. Shaw and his student are very interesting. They say lots of things, but they are silly. It seems they carry a fervent fear of the most common metal element on this planet. And have failed to show that the DTaP is more dangerous than pertussis with real data (they use “may”, “might” in place of actual statistics in their papers).

    Also studies by those who have had their medical credentials legally retracted don’t count. If you look, Mark Geier has lost medical practice credentials in more states than not.

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  27. UR N OSTRICH
    May 10, 2013 at 2:40 am

    @ Chris: so you focus only on the last link and no comment on the facts of the others in post #20? Or is post #20 not showing yet for you ‘cuz it’s still pending moderation? (Your response post to me shows as #22 in the thread, if you haven’t noticed.) Posted facts and a link there about the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and how you pro-vaxxers are actually paying for the damage done by big pHARMa and their toxins via vaccines through a tax on them, as well as facts and a link to a U.S. Supreme Court ruling in 2010 giving big pHARMa blanket protection from lawsuits for vaccine damages.

    Talk about name calling tho’! Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. It’s okay for you to refer to us as “sock puppets” under this blogs policy, but no one’s allowed to call you a “pharma whore”? Double standard much?

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  28. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 2:42 am

    amyandmacy: Neither Mr. Miller nor Mr Goldman are qualified researchers. First Mr. Miller is a journalist, and Mr. Goldman bought a computer science PhD from a mail order school. This is why I specifically say “qualified researcher” and then go and say that means someone who has not had their medical credentials legally revoked (Geier, Wakefield) or have an inappropriate education like law, journalism, business, computer science, geology, etc.

    Do you have issues with reading comprehension?

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  29. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 2:46 am

    UR N OSTRICH, just post the PubMed indexed study showing the DTaP vaccine is more dangerous than diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis from a qualified researcher. That means none from someone whose medical credentials have been questioned, or has an inappropriate education like law, business, computer science, geology, journalism, etc.

    Claiming that one person who was a minor author on two study did something bad does not invalidate dozens of other studies that he had no part in.

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  30. UR N OSTRICH
    May 10, 2013 at 2:47 am

    Maybe if I repost #20 in shorter little bits it’ll get approved. Here’s the first part of it:

    Oh sure… we can believe whatever Amanda Peet has to say on her pro-vax stance and the big pHARMa support spiel ‘cuz she’s a celebrity, right?

    Oh, but wait! When it’s Jenny McCarthy and her anti-vax support, you can’t believe what she has to say because she is a celebrity, right?

    Can’t have it both ways peeps. Sorry.

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  31. UR N OSTRICH
    May 10, 2013 at 2:48 am

    Here’s the second part of post #20:

    And FYI, did you know that big pHARMa is NOT legally responsible for ANY vaccine injuries done to a child? Did you know that when there is a settlement done through the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Compensation Program that YOU, the pro-vax parent are actually paying into the source fund for them? Yep. There’s a $0.75 tax per vaccine that pays for each and every single settlement made through VICP. If you get a 3-in-1 vaccine, YOU are paying $2.25 into the pool of funds to cover big pHARMa’s collective tushes. THEY don’t pay a dime into it.

    You want sources on this fact?

    http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

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  32. UR N OSTRICH
    May 10, 2013 at 2:49 am

    Here’s the third part of post #20:

    Oh, and then there’s the fact that in 2010 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that you, the parent, are never, ever allowed to sue big pHARMa over vaccines if your child is ever injured. Blanket protection for them under the law. In this ruling, they even state that vaccines are “unavoidably, unsafe products”. Boggles the mind.

    Here’s a link to that U.S. Supreme Court ruling:

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

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  33. UR N OSTRICH
    May 10, 2013 at 2:52 am

    And here’s the fourth part of post #20:

    Oh, and let’s not forget there’s the fact that the one and only time the CDC actually HIRED someone to do their own study on “vaccines don’t cause autism” (without relying on big pHARMa’s word on the matter), the man they hired Dr. Poul Thorsen ended up embezzling funds from them. This is the “study” everyone keeps throwing up in our faces when they say that Dr. Andrew Wakefield was debunked. He is on the Office of Inspector Generals Most Wanted web site for his crimes:

    https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/profiles.asp

    (but then I posted #21 ‘cuz it showed on my screen that I’d actually accidentally reposted one of the other links in the same #20 post)

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  34. May 10, 2013 at 2:54 am

    Didn’t you hear, UR N OSTRICH? Amanda Peet has one of those coveted “medical” degrees, licenses, etc. lol Just because they don’t have the specific credential you like doesn’t mean they aren’t qualified in that area. Many of these people are from different countries – countries that are open to allowing other ideas. If you would read thru the link I sent you at http://vaxtruth.org/2011/09/vaccinations-your-child-vs-the-greater-good/ you would see explanations for your questions. All of her info can be verified. I have done it in the past. It is why I keep that article. If you want answers to your specific questions YOU go find them. They are out there. That’s what we have to do. I can’t keep a searchable database of every single little question and answer one pro-vaxer might ask. My years and years of research can tell you this – it is out there. I’ve put my time in to find all the answers I want. I continue to put the time in by reading more and more.

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  35. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 2:56 am

    Dear Sock Puppets, read the links you post. They do not say what you claim they say.

    And provide the actual verifiable evidence to support your claims. Otherwise you look silly.

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  36. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 2:59 am

    Guys, when will you learn that CAPS LOCK sock puppets are just pathetic.

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  37. May 10, 2013 at 3:03 am

    To sit here and say that the information doesn’t exist because others can’t randomly site it at 3AM for you doesn’t mean that it isn’t out there. It simply means that you’re going to have to go get the answers you want to your specific questions yourself. You obviously do not want to find this information because you want to believe had you vaccinated your son he would not be in the position he is in. Wouldn’t it be nice to maybe know that the decision you made not to vaccinate was actually the lesser risk – and that life sucks and you got unlucky and came down on the hard side of the risks of not vaccinating? I think you deserve to find out for yourself so you have the possibility of not blaming yourself. Because it sounds like you blame yourself for it. Ultimately, whatever the reason you shouldn’t blame yourself at all. I don’t think any parent would do (or not do) anything that they believed wouldn’t be in the best interest of their child. Like I said before – there are risks both ways. It sucks that your son had to be on the crappy side of the risk factor. I’m sorry.

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  38. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 3:06 am

    Provide the PubMed indexed studies by a qualified researcher support your claims.

    Also, it is not 3am here. Did you forget that you live on a sphere with different time zones.

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  39. May 10, 2013 at 3:07 am

    We ARE providing you evidence, Chris. You just don’t want to believe any of it because that is easier for your situation. I’ve given you links to get you started on the questions that you have. When you start looking into things like this it is a domino effect – you ask one question, look for one answer, and have two more questions to find two more answers for. You’ve got to do all of that for yourself. We can’t do it on a blog thread. I hope you find the peace you need. I truly do. Goodnight.

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  40. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 3:09 am

    The question is why are you up at 3am? I am several hours to the west. Though if you feel I need information, keep providing it with actual verifiable specifications. The author needs certain qualifications, and the risks need to be made clear.

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  41. May 10, 2013 at 3:12 am

    And did you not see this page on the link to the Fourteen Studies website I sent to you? That’s a great jumping off point for what you are asking as well. Peace out.

    http://www.fourteenstudies.org/ourstudies.html

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  42. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 3:12 am

    I have told you why that “evidence” is not verifiable, and insufficient. Do try to keep up.

    Provide the PubMed indexed study from a competent researcher that clearly shows why the DTaP is more dangerous than diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis. This does not mean fluffy hypotheses that aluminum might cause some random ailment like a sore arm. This means that the vaccine causes fewer deaths, paralysis, stopping of actual breathing than the diseases.

    Go for it. Get me those studies.

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  43. May 10, 2013 at 3:14 am

    Um, I wasn’t asking WHY you were up at 3AM. I was simply stating that people don’t want to be digging up answers to all of your questions for you late at night. But if you must know, I am up because my husband is in the active Army, deployed, and I’m waiting for his phone call – hopefully.

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  44. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 3:14 am

    Last I looked the website “fourteenstudies” was not indexed on PubMed. Oh, and it is a joke.

    Are you new at this?

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  45. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 3:15 am

    I am not up at 3am. You seem to have issues that not everyone lives in your time zone.

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  46. May 10, 2013 at 3:36 am

    Well, it won’t let me post anything else to you. I’ve tried twice now. PubMed isn’t the only reliable source in the world, Chris. There are many more out there. I am going to go lay in bed and wait for my call that doesn’t look like it is coming after all. And, I was never asserting that YOU were up at 3AM. It was a reference to myself sitting here. Talk to you later. Goodnight.

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  47. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 3:37 am

    By the way, I have been asking for the same information for a long time. On this article I asked for a citation in comment #5, which was yesterday. If you had a real answer you and your friends would not have pounded this blog article about eleven hours after comment #16.

    It is interesting it started with single word comment, “pharmawhore.” Uh, huh. It is almost like some flying monkeys were sent to take down this site. But with a major fail: no real data.

    Do try harder next time.

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  48. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 3:42 am

    Amy: “PubMed isn’t the only reliable source in the world, Chris. There are many more out there.”

    Oh, do tell. PubMed in an index of biology and medical research from around this planet. It is not perfect since it actually includes homeopathic and alternative medicine journals. But it is better than nothing. So it is kind of a benchmark. One thing that is important is it links to the many free online papers.

    In other words, Amy, bring real science the next time you visit. Not fairy tales or conspiracy theories.

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  49. May 10, 2013 at 5:37 am

    @Chris – wow, another infestation…..oh well, actually pretty much sums up their arguments that they would attack you personally, utilizing the “pharma-shill” gambit….

    Again, Todd’s website: http://antiantivax.flurf.net/

    Refutes the majority of the anti-vaccine lies, misinterpretations and misrepresentations that have been presented above…..

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  50. Robert
    May 10, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    That was great. I learned a lot. Thank you Amanda, AmyandMac, UR N OSTRICH, Amy K, Collin, Derica Benoit & JULIANNA. No matter the badgering and denial the people believing in vaccines throw at you the real evidence is simple math. It’s the many children who have been injured or died. That’s the real fact. The research I have seen includes much I did not want to believe.

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  51. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Robert, so whose sock puppet are you?

    And tell us how you would avoid this: PMID 15889991.

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  52. May 10, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    @Robert – I see your post doesn’t include one single “fact” or piece of evidence…..that’s irony.

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  53. May 10, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    @Robert – so, care to comment on this body of evidence?

    http://www2.aap.org/immunization/families/faq/VaccineStudies.pdf

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  54. May 10, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    testing

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  55. Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    I believe the above username violates this site’s comment policy.

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  56. May 10, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Jeez – once again, so many sock-puppets, so little time…..

    http://www2.aap.org/immunization/families/faq/VaccineStudies.pdf

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  57. May 10, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Amanda Peet is an incredibly inspiring woman.

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  58. May 11, 2013 at 3:05 am

    Wow, surprise, surprise, another soulless Hollywood sellout promoting Big Pharma’s purchase of scientific research, or the ‘marketing’ department as it is known in other industries. If Amanda Peet would read the ingredients of the vaccines and the corresponding MSDS data sheets she would realize the true danger of the vaccines. I don’t believe for a minute that she has allowed those poisons anywhere near her own children, much less injected into their bodies. Insiders don’t do that. They just shill for the industry.

    The have been NO clinical studies done on vaccines. If there were, they would be seen for the farce that they are. The historical data points to the vaccines as causing outbreaks of the target disease. The majority of those who contract the target disease have HAD the vaccine. 100 years from now, the gullability of the US populace will be a laughingstock.

    Science you say? Studies resulting in Negative results are buried and not published at a rate of 37:1. All research leading to positive outcomes of vaccines have been found to be skewed in some way, either by eliminating the negative data, rearranging the population or adjusting the dosage to ‘fit’ an implied positive result. Bring it on shills! (At least Peet is being handsomely rewarded for her shilling.)

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  59. May 11, 2013 at 9:06 am

    @Stamp(troll) – wow, that much burning stupidity in one post….and you wonder why the anti-vaccine movement isn’t taken seriously (even at face-value).

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  60. anon
    May 11, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Go Refusers! Y’all are the real heroes! Standing in the light of truth, with right on your side. Don’t be discouraged by all the lemmings and sheep out there who do whatever Big Pharma says. One day they will be convicted by their atrocities and be held responsible for them.
    As to legitimizing the anti-vax movement… Don’t you pro-vaxxers know it was started by DOCTORS? Trained medical professionals who woke up to the damage they were causing. Unfortunately, for most docs the money they get in return for vax sales is enough for them to choose not to look into it and claim ignorance.
    We are killing and damaging our babies, and y’all are to blame for promoting it. Shame on you. May the full weight of your actions bear the fruit of karmic return.

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  61. May 11, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    @Lawrence: wow, nailed me in one so I won’t bother to to state my credentials or the fact that I have a vaccine damaged child. Free vaccines? After you sir!

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  62. stampoparole
    May 11, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    @Lawrence: Nice playing both sides of the passive:aggresive fence. Calling me a troll and ignorant. Let’s review an earlier Lawrencism:

    @Derica – oh, that’s harsh…..I wonder why the anti-vax community always devolves into “personal attacks.” Perhaps it is that they have no evidence to support their outrageous that they need to lash out against others…..pathetic really.

    Hmmm…

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  63. stampoparole
    May 11, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    an accurate self assessment? (paging Dr Freud). Haha.

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  64. May 11, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    @Stamp(troll) – your completely uneducated rant, so completely outside the realm of reality (and the furthest fringe of the anti-vaccine fringe) doesn’t even get you a seat at the table.

    How about some real evidence for once, as opposed to your “fantasies?”

    So, if your statement above is correct, you’ll have no problem giving us your VAERS entry & information on when you filed with the Vaccine Court, right?

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  65. stampoparole
    May 11, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    I find your approach typical of a naive shill. When you are promoted to a higher pay grade (doubtful), please feel free to get in touch. In the meantime I’ll keep your resume on file.

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  66. novalox
    May 11, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    @stampoparole

    You know, using the old pharma shill gambit is a sure sign that you are lying and have no argument to speak of?

    Now, [citation needed] for your assertion within 3 posts, or we can all assume that you are lying and can discount your statements as such.

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  67. stampoparole
    May 12, 2013 at 7:28 am

    Oh, I assumed the intelligentsia had both access and the capability to use Google. My bad.

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  68. Gray Falcon
    May 12, 2013 at 7:42 am

    Stamp, we do, we just dislike people who refuse to provide evidence for their claims. You are not our king or god, we will not simply believe everything you say or drop everything for your sake.

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  69. May 12, 2013 at 8:11 am

    @Gray – the current infestation of trolls here seems just like previous versions, with no actual evidence or factual data to back up any of their claims & resorting to the “Pharma-Shill” gambit is a bold-face admission that they have nothing to back up their comments.

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  70. Chris
    May 12, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    stampoparole:

    Oh, I assumed the intelligentsia had both access and the capability to use Google. My bad.

    What makes you “bad” is making a claim and refusing to supply the evidence for the claim. Argument by blatant assertion will get you no where, along with baseless accusations. It shows you have nothing, and should be ignored.

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  71. novalox
    May 12, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    @stampoparole
    Strike 1.

    You made the assertion, you provide the evidence. Otherwise, we can assume that you are actively lying.

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  72. Chris
  73. stampoparole
    May 12, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Hmmm. I provided some ‘starter’ links. It appears that no one has ‘started’, otherwise the responses would not be what they are. Putting up a link citing global warmer deniers as a red flag? Laughable. Please also go back and review the definition of a troll.

    It appears I’ve once again fallen into a den of shills. Vax up, the neurotoxins have apparently done irreversible damage. Sadly, you won’t even begin to educate yourselves beyond the neatly, invidually wrapped biased, industry financed and owned ‘stories’ presented a real research. You’ve been gravely duped. Yet, you appear to revel in it. It is called cognitive dissonance and it is incurable. Pray for discernment. Maybe that will help. I can’t help but love you guys. You’re cute and its been fun! Muak!

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  74. May 12, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    @Stamp(troll) – actually, you didn’t….unless you want to admit you are another sockpuppet?

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  75. stampoparole
    May 12, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    Still waiting on something, anything that is evidence based proof that vaccines are effective in any way (except their proven role in disease and ill health). Waiting…

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  76. novalox
    May 12, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    @stampoparole

    Strike 3 and 3, yer out.

    You’ve proven yourself to be a liar by your lack of citations, why should we listen to you?

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  77. stampoparole
    May 12, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Aw, shucks guys. I’m honored. (I couldn’t help but notice that the links I provided were not posted?). Simply shillalicious.

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  78. novalox
    May 12, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    @stampoparole

    Thanks for admitting that you have nothing and that you concede the argument.

    Again, since you have no actual citations for your assertions, we can all assume that you are lying and that all of your posts can be considered as such.

    And again, using the pharma shill gambit is a sure sign that you have no argument to speak of.

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  79. stampoparole
    May 12, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    For someone requiring citations (that don’t get posted), you do make a lot of assumptions. I have much to add and will continue to alert parents to the dangers of blind assumption concerning the junk science of vaccines. Shill on and reap the rewards both real and imaginary. L&K’s!

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  80. novalox
    May 12, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    @stampoparole

    Why should we believe a proven liar like you?

    You have not posted anything close to actual evidence regarding your assertions.

    You cannot back up your assertions, so you resort to ad hominems attacks and lies, accusing the regular posters of being pharma shills.

    You are not here in good faith, and therefore, we can all assume that you are just another anti-vax liar, unless you actually bring in actual proof.

    Again, since you cannot back up your arguments, we can all assume that you are lying,

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  81. stampoparole
    May 12, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Proven liar? Attacks? Citations please. I am absolutely here in good faith. Attempting to shine a light through the relentless cognitive dissonance and indoctrinated culture. I have yet to see one link or citation regarding the benefit of vaccines. They don’t exist. It appears that you can demand citations, prevent mine from being posted, but you cannot provide any. You must rely on personal attacks on me and others as ‘liars’. Ok, do you have anything of merit to back up that claim? No, you don’t. Not at all. You do appear to have more than a personal stake in the proliferation of the junk science of vaccines – otherwise this would be an exchange of information rather than a group of sophomoric shills who have just finished reading the first 2 chapters of the APA manual. It is obvious by the monotone of your response that Bernays found you to be easy marks. Tavistock 1, Me 0.

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  82. novalox
    May 12, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    @stampoparole

    Again, you made the assertions, you have to put up the citations. Since you have not done so, we can all make the assumption that you are lying instead of actually putting up facts.

    (Protip: You want an actual discussion, bring the evidence. Debate 101)

    And again, I see that you have to resort to insults and childish ad hominems instead of actually putting up citations.

    You have proven time and time again that you do not have anything close to actual facts as judged by your repeated insults, lies, and ad homiems.

    Of course, everything you attempt to impugn my character, I take it as an actual compliment, saying that you have conceded your argument again and again since it shows that you do not have any sort of argument and instead show the moral bankruptcy of your attempted argument.

    So please, please keep bringing up your old pharma shill accusations. I’ll take it as a complement every time, since it shows you do not have any shred of proof and acknowledge your lack of evidence for your argument.

    And so far, it seems that you have complemented me lots and lots of times, so I must thank you for that.

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  83. Chris
    May 13, 2013 at 12:27 am

    So this is either the Joe or Steve Michaels sock puppet. It is hard to tell.

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  84. stampoparole
    May 13, 2013 at 12:39 am

    Shill central pays overtime? Thought you guys were 8 – 5 people.

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  85. novalox
    May 13, 2013 at 1:54 am

    @stampoparole

    And still you persist in making yourself looking like a fool by using the old pharma shill gambit.

    Also, by your conspiracy theory mongering, as well as your lies, we can assume that you admit that vaccines do not have anything to do with autism.

    But please, keep on throwing the insults. Show the world how irrational and out of touch with reality you are by your consistent refusal to show your evidence and your constant use of false accusations.

    At least all can see how irrational the typical anti-vaxxer really is by your posts.

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  86. stampoparole
    May 13, 2013 at 2:02 am

    Sorry, but the cognitive dissonance and cultural conditioning has an ironclad grip on any genetic predisposition you may have had towards discernment. This is obviously a shill rich environment, which truthfully, excites me to no end. I feel I am getting through…although it is apparent it will take much time, patience and understanding. 🙂

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  87. novalox
    May 13, 2013 at 2:10 am

    @stampoparole

    Again, thanks for admitting that the regular posters here are more intelligent than you can ever hope to attain.

    Keep lying to yourself, your behavior here speaks volumes about your lack of an argument.

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  88. CWaldman
    May 13, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    The Center for Disease Control, “in a leaked media strategy document,” admitted “it did not have the science to dispel safety questions of “anti-vaccine” challengers.” Andrew J. Wakefield, “Callous Disregard, Autism and Vaccines–The Truth Behind a Tragedy,” (Skyhorse Pub. NY 2010), Postscript, p. 268, citing Moody, J. (2009, Aug. 5) CDC Media Plan Shocker – We Don’t have the Science – Some claims About vaccines cannot be disproved. Age of Autism. http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/08/cdc-media-plan-shocker-we-don't-have-the-science-some-claims-against-vaccines-cannot-be-disproved-.html

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  89. Chris
    May 13, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    Why would you think anyone cares what Wakefield says? Though if you want to convince he did not “research” an MMR vaccine’s connection to autism because of cash from the UK taxpayers offered to him by Richard Barr, then answer the next three questions:

    1. Which of the three vaccines used in the UK was his study on?

    2. Why would his twelve case studies include an American with a fourth MMR vaccine?

    3. Since an MMR vaccine with the Jeryl Lynn mumps component had been used in the USA since 1971, what evidence did Wakefield use from the almost twenty years before the UK licensed three MMR vaccines to show that MMR increased autism in the USA? Post the PubMed indexed paper dated before 1990 about the MMR increasing autism in the USA>

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  90. Chris
    May 13, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Also, CWaldman, here is a reminder of what happened when Wakefield gave advice without any actual evidence:
    https://shotofprevention.com/2013/03/20/why-were-still-talking-about-vaccines-and-autism/#comment-23519

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  91. May 13, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Merck paying websites to promote vaccines? Knock me over with a shill’s magic wand! http://worldtruth.tv/documents-show-merck-paid-this-popular-website-3-5-million-dollars-for-promoting-vaccines/

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  92. Chris
  93. Lawrence
    May 13, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    @chris – see Stamp(troll) has to be part of the conspiracy, because he makes anti-vax individuals look so nuts that no one in their right mind would believe a word they say…..genius!!!!

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  94. Joe
    May 13, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Chris, I am flattered that you think I might be Stamp! Great information and a great sense of humor too!!

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  95. Joe
    May 13, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Can’t seem to comment, they must have the old Joe “block” on.

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  96. Joe
    May 13, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Nice work stamp!

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  97. stampoparole
    May 13, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Thanks Joe! I do what I can. :). After reading your comments, I am also convinced we are the sane person!

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  98. stampoparole
    May 13, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Chris, for someone who requires citation, you seem to rely on an opinion piece website that actually does more to explain you, Lawrence and Novalox’s behavior. If you read the title and description of this blog it says open discussion. Your gangstalking behavior actually makes it seem quite close(minded). If the dialogue is not 100% fully Pharma invested you three jump right in with your repeated (and boring) refrains. Rarely departing from a dull monotone of taped off thought perimeter. Just an observation. No citation.

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  99. Narad
    May 13, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    Merck paying websites to promote vaccines? Knock me over with a shill’s magic wand!

    Wow, sloppy seconds from Vactruth? And “Worldtruth” don’t even link to the tinfoil-plated Aufderheide original? Pitiful. The truly hilarious part of this “expose” is that the “documents” that were “located” aren’t, you know, documents, they’re tallies sitting around in plain sight. Even better, Auffers doesn’t even prune it right: What does all the oncology stuff have to do with vaccines? I mean, they gave Medscape $156,500 for the “Insomnia Web Program” on 2012 September 26, and he managed to trim off the $120,000 for the “2012 SLEEP Conference Overview Web Program.”

    The bestest part here, though, is that Auffie omits certain columns from the originals, in particular, the grant type. Every one that I’ve wasted my time looking at has been a CME/CE grant. Do you know what these letters mean, Stampoodle?

    Jeezums, y’all need some higher class trolls around this joint.

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  100. Chris
    May 13, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    Narad:

    Jeezums, y’all need some higher class trolls around this joint.

    Which is why I am only pointing to a site that shows the type of anti-science argument they are using. Like:
    http://scienceornot.net/2013/03/19/false-balance-cultivating-counterfeit-controversy-to-create-confusion/

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  101. stampoparole
    May 13, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    Lets raise the observation deck slightly as I believe we are in the 5th iteration of duplicate responses.
    Question: With the vaccine rich environment that has become the United States, why is the population sicker, weaker and fatter? Should not the miracles of vaccines have transformed the population into a super strain of humanity? Autoimmune condition rates are exceeding the availability of names to apply to them. I won’t mention the condition that has increased by 6,000% in 3 decades (that is zero percent in unvaxed populations) because it has been gangstalkes to death on this blog. Why are people in the US getting sicker? New vaccines are being approved and waived of clinical trials on a regular basis. Super immune humans, wherefore art thou? No easy responses, citations from non Big Pharma studies only (fair is fair).
    Naram, welcome to the gang. I’m beginning to think that Merck is getting a good deal on the best and brightest!

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  102. Narad
    May 14, 2013 at 12:10 am

    Which is why I am only pointing to a site that shows the type of anti-science argument they are using.

    Thanks for the non sequitur. Have you figured out that CME/CE thing yet?

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  103. Chris
    May 14, 2013 at 12:16 am

    Actually, no. Possibly because I really don’t care. I barely read what the troll writes. S/he/it posts some kind of lame argument, I only post an article that explains what kind of non-science bit he is doing. Oh, and I hate acronyms. Sorry.

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  104. Chris
    May 14, 2013 at 12:27 am

    By the way, I caught Mr. Aufderheide being a hypocrite. He was being very righteous about the Guatemala syphilis experiments, while promoting the just as unethical vax/unvax study on his website. He doesn’t like me:
    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/10/04/the-guatemala-syphilis-experiment-human/#comment-121612

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  105. Peter
    May 14, 2013 at 12:40 am

    Can’t post here?? What is up??

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  106. Peter
    May 14, 2013 at 12:40 am

    Lame

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  107. Peter
    May 14, 2013 at 12:41 am

    stampm,

    Do you have a blog or website? You have wonderful information!

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  108. stampoparole
    May 14, 2013 at 1:06 am

    No. I have been immersed in private research in order to nurse my daughter back to health. She is doing quite well now and doing her own research, so I may consider blogging as it would be nice for other parents to not have to navigate the obstacle course setup by Big Pharma. I get slammed a lot by provax parents, but I understand the powerful force of mind control, so I don’t take it personal. Carnegie indoctrination is utilized because it works so well. There are at least 4 instances of Bernays’ very capable methods being propagated through Tavistock. So, they have my pity and prayers. I just wish they had a sense of humor and self. Their self loathing manifests in a lashing out at others in an infinite loop of seeking some balance when the answer is truth that they cannot see. The sad thing is they promote vax damage and many suffer while they reward themselves with false visions of intellectual superiority. A few pieces of silver and a plexiglass award…wow!

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  109. Chris
  110. Narad
    May 14, 2013 at 2:18 am

    Actually, no. Possibly because I really don’t care. I barely read what the troll writes. S/he/it posts some kind of lame argument, I only post an article that explains what kind of non-science bit he is doing.

    Ah, I seem to have had Stampoodle’s “voice” reading your words in my head, hence my confusion (and confused response). My apologies.

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  111. May 14, 2013 at 2:26 am

    Chris, you and I are well aware that the links you post are not citations, but opinions. Not acceptable. This is not a personal admonition as I find you lovely and quite indistinguishable.
    All LOL’s aside, I must commend you 4 for not jumping on my misspellings, at times I have found myself responding on my iPhone, which doesn’t allow me to see most of what I post until autocorrect has had its way with my post. I must admit that autocorrect may actually project an even more intelligent persona than I could ever be without harnessing said technology, but don’t cite me on that. 🙂

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  112. dingo199
    May 14, 2013 at 4:17 am

    Citations? Careful now, do you actually know what they are? Have you ever… umm.. you know, …actually used any yourself? Would you like to have a go at providing some, preferrably to something vaguely approaching valid evidence and not the usual electronic witterings of fellow galah dipsticks?

    “The have been NO clinical studies done on vaccines.”

    This quite dogmatic claim intigues me somewhat. Do you care to qualify it, perhaps by enlightening us on your understanding of the words “clinical” and “studies”, and perhaps reveal the meaning of the word “no” in the language used where you come from?

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  113. Chris
    May 14, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Stampoparole, why did you reply to Dingo on another page? Did you want to avoid answering his question?

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  114. stampoparole
    May 14, 2013 at 11:00 am

    I typed in the box that said ‘reply to Dingo’ well, thanks to your acuity Dingo now knows where the answer lies.

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  115. dingo199
    May 14, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Well you didn’t so much reply as switch to avoidance tactics. Perhaps I need to repeat myself, since you failed totally in your earlier “efforts” (well, calling your comments “efforts” is perhaps pushing it rather)

    “The have been NO clinical studies done on vaccines.”

    This quite dogmatic claim intigues me somewhat. Do you care to qualify it, perhaps by enlightening us on your understanding of the words “clinical” and “studies”, and perhaps reveal the meaning of the word “no” in the language used where you come from?

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  116. dingo199
    May 14, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    I do wonder what fascinating “research” has so consumed stampoodle over the last 3 years that he has failed to encounter even one clinical study on vaccines.
    The flavours of earwax maybe?
    I can imagine exactly why he is suffering information overload.

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  117. Chris
    May 14, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Stampoparole:

    I typed in the box that said ‘reply to Dingo’

    I don’t see any box that says “reply to” anyone. Do you think we get custom versions of this page? I just see the words “Leave a Reply” above this box, and I clearly see dingo199’s comment #120 just above those words, and when I scroll up I see your comment.

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  118. Chris
    May 14, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Rats, mucked up the blockquote…. only the first line is a quote….

    I don’t see any box that says “reply to” anyone. Do you think we get custom versions of this page? I just see the words “Leave a Reply” above this box, and I clearly see dingo199′s comment #120 just above those words, and when I scroll up I see your comment.

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  119. Joe
    May 14, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    @dingo199

    via Christine Vara, “We would like to remind all participants to please refrain from personal attacks. Inappropriate comments will be removed and repeated offenses will result in the restriction of further participation on this forum.”

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  120. Karen
    May 14, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Great posts you guys, no wonder the regulars here have gotten so defensive!

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  121. May 14, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    @Joe – on this particular topic, do you have anything substantive to add?

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  122. May 14, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    To get us back on topic –

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/india-announces-development-of-cheap-vaccine-against-major-cause-of-diarrhea-deaths-in-kids/2013/05/14/e1dda6c2-bc8b-11e2-b537-ab47f0325f7c_story.html

    Rotavirus, spread through contaminated hands and surfaces, kills about half a million children across the world each year, 100,000 of them in India.

    At a conference Tuesday, the government announced that Phase III trials of Rotavac proved that it was safe as well as effective. The clinical trial of 6,799 infants at three sites in India showed the vaccine reduced severe cases of diarrhea caused by rotavirus by 56 percent during the first year of life.

    “The clinical results indicate that the vaccine, if licensed, could save the lives of thousands of children each year in India,” said Dr. K. Vijay Raghavan, the secretary of the Department of Biotechnology.

    The vaccine still needs to be licensed before it can be distributed in India and would require further approval by the World Health Organization before it could be distributed globally.

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  123. Chris
    May 14, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    Excellent, Karen. Would you care to provide the answers to the questions that Stampoparole has been asked. Perhaps you would like to answer the questions I posted to CWaldman in comment #93.

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  124. Joe
    May 14, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Lawrence, how are you? I am just enjoying the conversations.

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  125. May 14, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    @Joe – doing very well. Busy, actually. Big reorganization going on with my company & I’m being promoted (though the new job is frankly, quite terrifying in its scope of responsibilities) – I am losing a bunch of friends though, including my current boss – he’s going to be sorely missed.

    I just saw the Tweet link on the main page – that the Taliban is removing its opposition to the Polio vaccine. Very encouraging & perhaps WHO / UN will meet the goal to eradicate Polio by 2017!

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  126. My3sons
    May 14, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    @stamp… What a fantastic personality you have! I have often told Lawrence et al their approach is awful. They couldn’t convince a toddler to eat a cookie! Enjoyed reading your comments.

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  127. Chris
    May 14, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    And yet, My3sons, you thanked me politely when I answered your question about some dodgy paper written by computer scientists. Obviously I was being very awful.

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  128. May 14, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    @My3Sons – and how exactly is “Stamp(troll’s) approach all wine & roses?

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  129. May 14, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    And back to the topic at hand, it is great to see additional, cheaper vaccines coming on the market to assist those areas of the Developing World where something as simple as diarrhea can kill over half a million children…..

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  130. novalox
    May 14, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    @Lawrence

    It’s also good to see that the taliban is going to drop its opposition to polio vaccines and perhaps some sense (what little of it they possess) got knocked into them.

    I just hope that it was not due to having active cases in its region, like in Somalia. Otherwise, there will be children that will suffer from the effects of war and religious extremism.

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  131. Joe
    May 14, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Lawrence, congratulations on the promotion. I hope it goes well for you.

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  132. May 14, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    @Novalox – I believe that there are areas of the Pakistani Tribal regions where Polio is still endemic (they also have a problem with Iodized Salt – go figure), so this should help in getting the vaccines disseminated much easier…..maybe we’ll hit that 2017 goal after all!!!

    The anti-vaccine crowd should be pushing this, since if we can confirm eradication, it will mean one less vaccine on the Pediatric Schedule.

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  133. novalox
    May 14, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    @Lawrence

    Well, we can all hope, but I would think that seeing the effects of polio firsthand would change their minds.

    Iron lungs and paralysis is not a good thing at all.

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  134. stampoparole
    May 14, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    Hey guys,
    It has been fun! We’ve veered off point (pun intended) and probably should get back to the reason for the blog. You know where I am coming from and I know where you are coming from, so there probably is no reason to continue as we are of two different and incompatible mindsets. If vax didn’t have such a bloody wake I would have moved on long ago, but you 4 were not my intended audience, so my purpose has been served by hanging out a bit longer. Thanks for making it enjoyable in your slightly redundant, but very imitable style.
    I really do have to spend time where I will prove more fruitful.
    Go easy on the others. Open and free discussion usually results in very pleasant discoveries.
    My final L&K’s!
    Muak!
    Ill read any response but won’t answer back. All the best!!
    David (stamp)

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  135. May 14, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    @Novalox – given the lack of general health care in that part of the world, helping them avoid things like Polio is as much of a life-saver as clean water, food & proper shelter.

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  136. My3sons
    May 14, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    @ Chris… I try my best to always be polite and thank everyone for any info they share. I must admit it’s easier to thank Lawrence, you are far too brash. At first I was convinced you were a woman, now I’m not sure.

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  137. dingo199
    May 14, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    @My3sons – your first intuitive assumptions in that instance were spot on.
    I am sorry if you feel the approach taken by those of us who are proponents of vaccines is somewhat unsettling. I for one do not suffer fools gladly, and can be over-robust sometimes in my replies, particularly when people like stamp jump in proclaiming for example that he has never seen a clinical study on vaccines in 3 years of intensive research of the topic, or that infectious diseases only happen when vaccination takes place. I remain bemused that you are so enamoured of his “personality” and feel his baseless claims provide more plausible subject matter than does the entire accumulation of decades of scientific evidence and clinical experience.

    @Stamp – I see you feel that discussion about polio eradication is somehow “veering off point”.
    In case you hadn’t noticed, the topic of polio eradication is the topic of this blogpost. It is only that a succession of antivax trolls, yourself included, who have tried to divert attention onto meaningless irrelevancies and fact-free, citationless comments. You remain inebriated by the exuberance of your own verbosity, but I suspect this is purely a tactic to divert attention from the fact that you actually have nothing of substance to say.

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  138. May 14, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    @Dingo – it is very unfortunate that the areas that need to be concentrated on for Polio eradication are some of the most inhospitable & unstable areas of the planet right now…..hopefully, if there is a window of opportunity to get into Southern Afghanistan & the Tribal areas of Pakistan now, that WHO takes advantage of that to finish the campaign while they have the chance.

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  139. Chris
    May 14, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    My3sons:

    I must admit it’s easier to thank Lawrence, you are far too brash. At first I was convinced you were a woman, now I’m not sure.

    So I am brash, yet this is an example of a wonderful personality:

    Their self loathing manifests in a lashing out at others in an infinite loop of seeking some balance when the answer is truth that they cannot see. The sad thing is they promote vax damage and many suffer while they reward themselves with false visions of intellectual superiority. A few pieces of silver and a plexiglass award…wow!

    That is very funny. You must have thought his comments about Ms. Peet endearing:

    Wow, surprise, surprise, another soulless Hollywood sellout promoting Big Pharma’s purchase of scientific research, or the ‘marketing’ department as it is known in other industries.

    Obviously Big Pharma is to blame for everything, including Ms. Peet’s younger child getting pertussis before completing the vaccine series.

    So, to show how sweet and wonderful you are, versus brash nasty ol’ me: Why don’t you share your viable plan to protect babies from pertussis.

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  140. Zoe
    May 14, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    I love you too, Stampo! Thanks!

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  141. Chris
    May 14, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    Zoe, what is your proposal to protect babies from pertussis, and eradicate polio from Pakistan?

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  142. Zoe
    May 14, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    I just looked at amyandmac’s linked studies. They were real scientific studies on the dangers of aluminum and thimerosal in vaccines, no quibble possible, Chris. You just put up smaller and smaller hoops to jump throught rather than address the substantive issues. And did you see insidevaccines’ response to the aluminum meme? Aluminum in its natural form is unrefined and very different from the aluminum injected straight into the body in a vaccine, where it does untold damage. Loving pet owners no longer allow adjuvanted vaccines (with aluminum etc.) to be injected into their pets, as they so often cause incurable cancer.

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  143. Chris
    May 14, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    So, back to the topic of the article: How would you prevent babies from getting pertussis? And what would be the best way to stop polio in Pakistan?

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  144. Joe
    May 14, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    dingo, we’re not all fools.

    stamp had some great thoughts and was refreshing, as he wasn’t negative. This site needs more comments like his with his good attitude, pro or anti vax.

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  145. Chris
    May 14, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Joe, what is your fool proof plan to protect babies from pertussis?

    How would you stop polio in Pakistan?

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  146. Narad
    May 14, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    stamp had some great thoughts and was refreshing, as he wasn’t negative.

    My, there does seem to be a characteristic variety of allogrooming among a certain set, doesn’t there?

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  147. Chris
    May 14, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    Actually, all Stampoparole had to offer were conspiracy theories like (direct quote) “Big Pharma’s purchase of scientific research, or the ‘marketing’ department as it is known in other industries.” and that we are all brainwashed by saying “I get slammed a lot by provax parents, but I understand the powerful force of mind control, so I don’t take it personal. Carnegie indoctrination is utilized because it works so well. There are at least 4 instances of Bernays’ very capable methods being propagated through Tavistock.”

    In all of his claims to have done research, that is all he can produce. Conspiracy theories.

    Now, Zoe, Zoe (two different avatars) and Joe, why don’t you tell us how to protect babies from pertussis and rid poor countries of polio. With actual citations.

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  148. Joe
    May 14, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    Narad, nothing wrong with positivity. This site can bring you down in a hurry. I don’t usually comment any more because it is so negative here.

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  149. Joe
    May 14, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    Chris, you know how I feel. I believe that vaccines are dangerous. Genetic pre-screening can help detect if a child should even receive vaccines. It’s a good start.

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  150. Chris
    May 14, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    Joe, it has nothing to do with beliefs. It has to do with evidence, which you, Stamp and the sock puppets have failed to produce. Though you just made a claim that you need to support: what genetic screening. Provide the gene sequences.

    Yes, there is negativity. It gets negative whenever we hear that a baby has suffered from pertussis, or may have even died. It gets negative when people providing vaccines in the poorest of countries are murdered. But the positive news is that the Taliban has realized that polio should be prevented. When will you do the same?

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  151. Joe
    May 14, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Yes, and it is negative news when you hear about my child and other children being damaged by vaccines.
    There are many mutated genes that contribute to toxic-overload. The MTHRFR is a good one to start with. Dr. Amy Yasko is also another good place to look for information.

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  152. Chris
    May 14, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Except that you don’t care about children harmed by actual diseases like my son. You don’t care that these diseases put real children into the hospital and cause real disabilities. I know because you refuse to provide the evidence that vaccine cause more harm than the diseases.

    Dr. Yasko sells RNA drops, a chemical that deteriorates within seconds after being isolated. She has not got a clue. Though if you have a PubMed citation by her on the genetics to test for, do please present it.

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  153. Joe
    May 14, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    Dr Yasko has forgotten more about genetics than you will ever know. She does amazing work and really cares for children. Her qualifications and credentials speak for themselves.

    Of course I care about children harmed by diseases. Just because a vaccine injured my child does not mean I don’t care about yours. But I will ask you the same question. Why don’t you care about the vaccine injured children?

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  154. novalox
    May 14, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    @joe

    [citation needed]

    If you claim that your child was injured by a vaccine, then did you submit a report to VAERS?

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  155. dingo199dingo199
    May 15, 2013 at 4:12 am

    Joe :dingo, we’re not all fools.
    stamp had some great thoughts and was refreshing, as he wasn’t negative. This site needs more comments like his with his good attitude, pro or anti vax.

    So only some of you are?

    I wonder why you found Stamp’s views so “refreshing”, since all he did was expend a whole load of useless verbiage saying absolutely nothing. Did he make any meaningful claims, did he cite any studies? Recall this is the man who claimed to have done extensive research for 3 years (on google no doubt) and yet never found “a single clinical study on vaccines”? Did you regard that as “a great thought”? Care to revise your assessment of the foolishness of the sockie acolytes falling over themselves to bow at his feet?

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  156. Thomas
    May 15, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Since most studies cited here as proving vaccine damage are blocked or taken down, it seems dishonest to criticize those who would like to participate in the discussion here as not providing evidence to support their claims.

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  157. Thomas
    May 15, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Chris,
    You can chelate at home with minute, frequent doses of ALA (sold by Kirkman et al), it takes mercury out of the brain. Google it.

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  158. Gray Falcon
    May 15, 2013 at 10:11 am

    @Thomas- What studies? What evidence? They didn’t provide anything at all? Oh, and I Googled Alpha-lipolic acid. What you have is a quack who took a medical study and extrapolated nonsense out of it.

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  159. Chris
    May 15, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Joe and Thomas, please stop spamming for those folks who take advantage of desperate parents like Yasko and Kirkman. Along with ignoring the suffering that children go through with the real diseases, we also get angry when shills of purveyors for useless nonsense make claims without evidence.

    Zoe, Zoe, Joe and Thomas, what is your verifiable method to prevent pertussis in babies, and to stop polio in poor countries like Pakistan, Nigeria and now Somalia?

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  160. May 15, 2013 at 10:44 am

    @Thomas – vaccine reactions, with a very small number of them being serious, do actually happen. We know this because they have been studied and recognized – and we also have a very good idea of the overall risk of serious reactions (the smallpox vaccine, for example, was a very risky vaccine, but even with the amplified risk, it was still worth it, because smallpox had a mortality rate of anywhere from 35 – 98% depending on the strain).

    Luckily for all of us, we have decades of clinical research and safety studies that back up the recommendations for vaccinations – knowing that serious reactions occur far less often (in as few as 1 in 1mil or 1 in 10mil cases) than serious reactions to the diseases they prevent (as often as 1 in 1000 cases, like measles ), we can make a true value judgement.

    Anti-vax individuals are making judgements based not on fact, but blind speculation – because the evidence has never, & does not support the hypothesis that vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases they prevent – and are in fact, much, much safer.

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  161. Tom
    May 15, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Making judgments on our experience and that of many around us. Not blind speculation. We’ve seen it with our own eyes. Vaccines are much, much more dangerous than the VPDs.

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  162. Tom
    May 15, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Not eating anything with sugar prevents polio. 47,500 children recently vaccinated for polio became paralyzed in India in 2011, over and beyond the expected background rate for acute flaccid paralysis. Sister Kenny’s therapy treats it. HIgh-dose vitamin C therapy is cheap and treats pertussis effectively.

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  163. Tom
    May 15, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    You don’t care what Wakefield says, for obvious reasons. Thousands of people do.

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  164. Tom
    May 15, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Children in the Third World have high rates of death from communicable diseases because they are malnourished. If you save ten thousand lives of poor children in the Third World, do you have any ideas on how to feed them so they can avoid death by starvation?

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  165. May 15, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    @Tom – wouldn’t it be a great idea that children in developing countries don’t die of vaccine-preventable diseases?

    Not to mention the fact that lower infant mortality rates lead to smaller families, which leads to greater prosperity.

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  166. dingo199
    May 15, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Tom :Children in the Third World have high rates of death from communicable diseases because they are malnourished. If you save ten thousand lives of poor children in the Third World, do you have any ideas on how to feed them so they can avoid death by starvation?

    Gotcha! There is no point trying to save the lives of children in the developing world, because they may later die of starvation.
    That has to be just about the most horrific reason for not vaccinating that I have ever heard.
    Tom wins a wombat, as well as the internet!

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  167. Chris
    May 15, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Tom:

    Vaccines are much, much more dangerous than the VPDs.

    Please provide the PubMed indexed study by a qualified researcher that the DTaP is more dangerous than diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis. And by qualified researcher I do not mean a doctor whose medical qualifications have been legally revoked (or sell stuff on a website), or someone with an inappropriate education like law, business, computer science, journalism, geology, etc.

    Not eating anything with sugar prevents polio.

    Okay, Tom. You must travel to Nigeria, Somalia, Pakistan and Afghanistan to tell parents to stop feeding their children sugar. Make it your personal mission to prevent polio in those countries.

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  168. dingo199
    May 15, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Tom :Vaccines are much, much more dangerous than the VPDs.

    I’m channelling Chris here, but please can you provide evidence that vaccination with (say) any one of the following vaccines is worse than the disease they prevent? (Please provide links to valid scientific peer-reviewed evidence about the complication rates)
    1. Meningitis
    2. Pneumococcal pneumonia
    3. Diphtheria
    4. Pertussis
    5. Tetanus.
    6. Rabies.
    7. Hepatitis A and B
    8. Yellow fever.
    9. Measles.
    10. Smallpox.
    11. Mumps.
    12. Rubella.
    13. Rotavirus.
    14. Influenza.
    15. Japanese B encephalitis.
    16. Chickenpox/shingles
    17. HPV

    Pick one, and divvy up the evidence please.

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  169. May 15, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    @Dingo – you know, the Smallpox vaccine was actually dangerous (complications in as few as 1 in 100 individuals), but it still was hugely more safe than Smallpox – with its mortality rate of 35 – 98%.

    The vaccines we have today are light years beyond that and have one of the best safety records on the planet…..regardless of what the anti-vaccine talking heads would lead you to believe.

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  170. Chris
    May 15, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Also, Tom, if you choose polio, compare it to the IPV, which is the one used in the USA.

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  171. May 15, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    @Chris – I’m still confused why anti-vaccine talking heads are against disease eradication, since eradication means one less vaccine on the schedule, right?

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  172. Chris
    May 15, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Well, if they get rid of polio in Africa, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the other pockets with OPV. They will still need the IPV for a few decades. Then we will not need the IPV either.

    The same goes with measles. And that is even easier.

    What I don’t understand is why someone can claim vaccines are dangerous, and yet recommend giving children chelation pills from some pharmaceutical company advertised on the Age of Autism website.

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  173. Joe
    May 15, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Chris, your knowledge of biomedical treatments is very much lacking. Commenting on things you don’t understand is really very silly.

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  174. novalox
    May 15, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    @joe

    Considering that you do not present any evidence for your comments, and that your comments do not have much basis in biological science, you are being very hypocritical.

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  175. Chris
    May 15, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Joe, why should I care about your beliefs. I do remember that I heard all about chelation on the listserv I was on for my son’s disability. All sorts of those “biomedical” treatments were being promoted. I got tired of it, so I left.

    Then the next month a five year old kid was executed by being strapped to a table and forcefully chelated. His only crime was that he had autism. And then a few months later his executioner, Roy Kerry, became a full fledged “DAN!” doctor.

    So, Joe and Tom, present your real evidence.

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  176. Joe
    May 15, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Novalox, you really want to have a conversation about biomedical treatments? Please…ask away.

    Chris, again, you don’t have any experience and don’t know what you are talking about in regards to biomedical treatments. Your comments about Dr, Yasko are also completely off.

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  177. dingo199
    May 15, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    Lawrence :
    @Dingo – you know, the Smallpox vaccine was actually dangerous (complications in as few as 1 in 100 individuals), but it still was hugely more safe than Smallpox – with its mortality rate of 35 – 98%.
    The vaccines we have today are light years beyond that and have one of the best safety records on the planet…..regardless of what the anti-vaccine talking heads would lead you to believe.

    Indeed. I am someone who through reasons of my job is required to have smallpox vaccination. Took it for the team. Made sure anal sex was not involved in the aftermath.

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  178. dingo199
    May 15, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Joe :
    Novalox, you really want to have a conversation about biomedical treatments? Please…ask away.

    Ok Joe. Tell us how chemical castration helps autism. Don’t forget to cite some decent scientific evidence published in mainstream medical literature, won’t you.

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  179. novalox
    May 15, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    @joe

    When you put some actual citations for your assertions, otherwise, I have to assume that you are making it up or in statistics, a n=1 case.

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  180. Joe
    May 15, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Dingo:
    Nice….typical anti-biomedical ignorant garbage. Did you learn that on one of your pro vax sites? You do realize that biomedical treatments are generally considered any treatment done for health that isn’t traditional western medicine or drugs. If you want to talk about any legitimate biomedical treatments that I am familiar with, I would be happy to help.
    Novalox: Citation for what? It’s a lose, lose for me. Once we start talking about biomedical treatments, then you will tell me that I am off-topic and I brought it up….been down this path before.

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  181. Chris
    May 15, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Joe:

    Chris, again, you don’t have any experience and don’t know what you are talking about in regards to biomedical treatments. Your comments about Dr, Yasko are also completely off.

    Though I have taken both chemistry and biology. So until you come up with some real evidence, it is still nonsense. The only thing you are doing is shilling for nonsense.

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  182. novalox
    May 15, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    @joe

    So, how can we tell that you are not making stuff up or worse, lying, when you make your assertions? You’ve made plenty of assertions, but without actual evidence, how do we know that it is true or actually has a scientific rationale behind it?

    And you are technically off topic in the first place since you are bringing up the topic of biomedical treatments when the original topic was about vaccines.

    Also, nice try on trying to dodge dingo’s question. I’d like you to see how you would try to answer the question.

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  183. Chris
    May 15, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Actually, novalox, how can we be sure about anything Joe says. For all we know he may be employed by Yasko to drum up more business.

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  184. Gray Falcon
    May 15, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Joe, there is a serious question you haven’t answered. How do you know the improvements attributed to “biomedical” treatments were not natural improvements that would have occurred with or without intervention? The testimonies I’ve seen are nearly identical to the development of several autistic people, myself included, who have not been treated in such a way.

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  193. May 27, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    My hope is that everyone reading this article and posts will investigate the vaccines Gardasil and Cervarix and make an informed choice whether these vaccines, in fact, any vaccine is appropriate for you and your family. I have found that through diet you can beat any disease and stay healthy. I believe if we put the money that is spent on vaccinations for third world countries and provide for them better sanitation and the ability to grow healthy fruits and vegetables we would have no need of vaccinations.
    Just a side note: Vaccination is not immunization. If the manufacturers had a safe immunization method we would not be having this discussion today.

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  194. Chris
    May 27, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Ms. Janak, please review this site’s comment policy, especially this line: “spam or unsolicited advertisements.” You should find other ways to advertise your writings.

    Also, remember that there is a certain criteria for scientific evidence that many of us prefer, mainly well documented scientific studies by qualified researchers. I am sorry, but you do not seem to have adequate credentials,”administrative professional”, to qualify as a researcher, nor as a science writer.

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  195. Chris
    May 27, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    I missed your last comment, Ms. Janak. If you had read the above article you will see there was no mention of anything related to HPV. That is not a priority for developing countries, or for children in industrial countries under the age of two years. This fact that missed this makes me even more doubtful of your research skills.

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  196. Chris
    May 27, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Bad editing on my part: “The fact that you missed this makes me even more doubtful of your research skills.”

    Though you could make that up and tell us with verifiable scientific evidence your plan to prevent babies from dying of pertussis, or the spread of polio in developing countries like Pakistan, Nigeria or Somalia. Do remember to provide the PubMed indexed paper by a qualified researcher to support your claims. Thank you.

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  197. Robert
    May 27, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Thank you Cynthia for your input to an eye opening and escalating matter that needs addressed.

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  198. May 27, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Chris, I thought to make things easier for you if you would just go to the articles. All are fully referenced with links to the studies that you want to see. I believe I stated this in my first comment. Sorry you did not catch that.
    To put all that information here and it is extensive would not be logical without my article to put it all into perspective. Thank you for your comments.

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  199. May 27, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Robert, The reason I brought up the HPV vaccines is because all the individuals affected by this vaccine were fully vaccinated prior to receiving this vaccine. Also what I found out is that if you look at the symptoms following the HPV vaccination series you will see that they mirror the symptoms of the Autistic child. The exception is that the HPV injured have mastered the ability to speak so they are able to tell us what is going on. These individuals have given me a new perspective into the epidemic of Autism and prove to me that vaccination in its present form needs to be stopped and a safe immunization method such as a patch which targets a natural immune response through the dermis would be more applicable. Also it would be a cheaper and safer way of immunization for third world countries. Thank you for your comment.

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  200. Chris
    May 27, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Ms. Janak, obviously the meaning of what I wrote eludes you. You are a spammer, and have no training with any relevance on the subject. This is particularly noted when the article above is about childhood diseases for those under the age of two years and issues with developing countries.

    Again the question to you was how would you prevent pertussis and polio in developing countries. I see nothing in your articles that address any kind of solution. So again, if you wish to actually engage in discussion on this article please answer the question as asked here only about pertussis or polio, but do not spam your website. Do you understand?

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  201. May 27, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    @Cynthia – we get it, you don’t like Gardisil (for whatever reason). In the future, please post on relevant threads, because this isn’t one of them.

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  202. May 27, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    How to prevent disease is through a proper diet rich with fruits and vegetables and clean drinking water and sanitary living conditions. This has been proven to be the rapid decrease in disease in the developed countries. If the body’s immune system is taxed by let us say just toxins and pollution you will see a rapid increase in disease because the body’s natural detoxing mechanism will become depleted which opens the door so to speak to disease. Stress can also cause this oxidative stress on the body which will also cause glutathione depletion which is the super antioxidant that the body needs to regulate hormones, enzymes and various other functions of the body. When this happens the body’s pH balance tends to go into the acid range which is below 7.0. This is typically found in people with cancer and other diseases. To stay in optimum health you need to have a serum glutathione and pH done regularly to prevent disease. Dr. Otto Warburg first discovered that a properly oxygenated body is resistant to disease back in the 1940’s. In fact he won two noble prizes for his research.
    If you look at the diet that we have here in the United States and many developed countries now we could be eating GMO products which have toxins created within its genome which we ingest. We breath polluted air which has nano particulate of aluminum and other heavy metals. We drink water that has the toxin fluoride and chlorine added to it. Our processed packaged goods have all manner of chemicals that you can see on the packaging.
    We need to go back to natural foods, cleaner air and pure water to drink and you will see an improvement in the health of every human being on the planet.
    I may have reference a specific vaccine but it is the ingredients and my other findings on how the body reacts, etc. is what I was trying to get you to understand. Thank you for your comments.

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  203. May 27, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    @Cynthia – you do realize that the body self-regulates itself in a very specific range of PH…your support of the supposed “acidic” body hypothesis is patently false & against even basic biology…..seriously, please stay on topic (if you are even mentally capable of doing so).

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  204. May 27, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    @Cynthia – I’m sure all of those “natural” times, when we drank untreated water, ate completely “natural” food, yet had 50% infant & child mortality rates, would be just fine with you, right?

    I find the Black Death & Smallpox to be completely natural……and yet today, when you are complaining, we have the lowest infant mortality rates in history & also the longest lifespans…..you’re completely uneducated, aren’t you?

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  205. Chris
    May 27, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    Ms. Janak, you forgot something very important in your reply: the PubMed indexed study by a qualified researcher that shows your suggestion will work. How would you feed newborn babies fruits and vegies? And how would that prevent any kind of bacterial infection?

    Again, you demonstrate that you have no research skills, and know very little about human physiology. The big hint was the silly stuff on pH in the human body.

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  206. dingo199
    May 27, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    Cynthia Janak :…loads of naturalistic fallacy stuff… Dr. Otto Warburg first discovered that a properly oxygenated body is resistant to disease back in the 1940′s. In fact he won two noble prizes for his research.

    1. Ahhhh! The crank “Nobel fallacy”
    2. Otto Warburg won one Nobel prize, not two.
    3. The prize had nothing to do with ideas that oxygenated bodies are resistant to disease, but to respiratory enzymology.

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  207. Chris
    May 27, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    Ms. Janak:

    How to prevent disease is through a proper diet rich with fruits and vegetables and clean drinking water and sanitary living conditions. This has been proven to be the rapid decrease in disease in the developed countries.

    Interesting. I asked you about prevention of pertussis and polio in developing countries, and you come up with that. I see you do not have a clue about the politics and lack of infrastructure in places like Pakistan or Somalia.

    Do you consider Japan to be a developed country? Then check out this paper, PMID 15889991, which says:

    An antivaccine movement developed in Japan as a consequence of increasing numbers of adverse reactions to whole-cell pertussis vaccines in the mid-1970s. After two infants died within 24 h of the vaccination from 1974 to 1975, the Japanese government temporarily suspended vaccinations. Subsequently, the public and the government witnessed the re-emergence of whooping cough, with 41 deaths in 1979. This series of unfortunate events revealed to the public that the vaccine had, in fact, been beneficial.

    Do you think that Japan suddenly changed diets and lost basic sanitation then? So why did pertussis kill all those babies?

    And why did it also happen in Sweden and the UK, as noted in this paper Impact of anti-vaccine movements on pertussis control: the untold story? What is interesting is that the same thing did not happen in Norway. Why would pertussis return to Sweden and not Norway? (in case you are rusty on geography, they share a very long border)

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  208. June 6, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    优质资源分享 翱翔 , 海盗湾.

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  209. June 9, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    Let the copy and pasted replies of the syringevangelical IV begin.

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  210. Chris
    June 9, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    Oh, no! Merck has been using the same mumps strain for 45 years! Oh, how terrible.

    Wait, it must be safe. Because when they tried to replace it one that was more reliable in Japan, Canada and UK, they found out it had more side effects. Because now we hear there is this big conspiracy about the Urabe vaccine mumps strain and how terrible it was.

    Make up your mind: a safer but slightly less effective mumps strain, Jeryl Lynn, or the more effective mumps strain (Urabe) with more aseptic meningitis. Either way, they are both safer than mumps.

    Oh, as far as effective: actually getting mumps does not always give immunity. I had it twice, along with lots of other people. So it is disingenuous to believe that the vaccine should work better than the disease. Especially with constant face to face exposure.

    Now, Stampaparo, I defy you to find where that was cut and pasted from. Go for it.

    And when you are done with that, please find the peer reviewed documentation that that Big Pharma gets a bigger paycheck when each child is given two MMR vaccines, versus treating one out of ten children in the hospital for measles. Before vaccines, over 95% had measles by the time they were fifteen years old, and about 10% required hospital care (and about one out of a thousand ended up in a cemetery). Come on, I want to see those veriafied numbers that vaccines cost more than treating the disease, and the resulting funerals. Something like this:

    Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2005;159:1136-1144.
    Economic Evaluation of the 7-Vaccine Routine Childhood Immunization Schedule in the United States, 2001

    J Infect Dis. 2004 May 1;189 Suppl 1:S131-45.
    An economic analysis of the current universal 2-dose measles-mumps-rubella vaccination program in the United States.

    West J Med. 1996 Jul-Aug;165(1-2):20-5.
    Pediatric hospital admissions for measles. Lessons from the 1990 epidemic.

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  211. June 10, 2013 at 12:07 am

    A gold star for originality on this one Chris! 🙂

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  212. Chris
    June 10, 2013 at 12:11 am

    Okay, where is the data that shows it is more expensive to protect children with two MMR vaccines than to treat one out of ten in the hospital for measles?

    Or do you actually work for Big Hospital Supply, and depend on those cases of pneumonia from measles, and even pertussis, Hib, etc so that you can get paid for selling respiratory equipment?

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  213. Chris
    June 10, 2013 at 12:22 am

    You might actually trying reading the entire contents of Dr. Goldacre’s book Bad Science. Though when you be aware that it was written before the Brian Deer uncovered the research fraud, and many many many years after the 1971 MMR introduction in the USA. You’ll find that there is a vast difference in the pharmaceutical companies between psychology and preventative medicine departments.

    Actually, if you want to be really mad at Big Pharma, just look at cancer medications.

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  214. Chris
    June 10, 2013 at 12:35 am

    Oh, by the way, Stampaparole, you said “syringevangelical IV.”

    A couple of notes about that strange phrase:

    1: No vaccine is given intravenously. They are given by subcutaneous, intramuscular, intranasal or oral methods. None are given directly into any vein.

    2: Having had a kid end up in the hospital with an IV put into him from an actual disease before the vaccine was available, it looks that preventing an illness by a few jabs, glugs and sniffs prevents encounters with a big syringe and IV fluids.

    3: Some of those who fear vaccine say we must get titers before vaccinating to make sure the kids are already immune. Unfortunately that means getting a bigger syringe plunged into a child to remove blood. I think that is a greater of two needle evils. It is much easier and safer to get a vaccine from a teeny tiny needle.

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  215. June 10, 2013 at 1:50 am

    Hi Chris,
    It was more of a tip of the hat to the Three Musketeers than an attempt to align with current clinical practices. I hope you at least smiled! 🙂
    I saw a comment by you after my last departure about your child being injured and you mention it again above. I am very sorry that your child was injured by disease. I also have an injured child and through massive nutritional and alternative therapy she has been able to reach about 90% of what she once was (We went the traditional health care route at first and she just kept getting worse). She graduated from HS a couple of weeks ago, phenomenal considering her challenges. With some minor tweaks in her therapies she should be able to live in the dorm and do very well at university. I wish the same or better for your child.
    We can share different opinions and still be human. I may change my position (doubtful, but anything is possible) and you may change yours (just as doubtful) with different data points going forward, but we both have our current mission based on personal experience, which does at times get the blood rushing.
    All the Best!
    – David (Stamp) 🙂

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  216. Chris
    June 10, 2013 at 2:20 am

    I still want to know the relative costs of treating one out of ten in the hospital versus getting measles, with real data. In the recent outbreak of measles in Wales about one out of ten ended up in the hospital, which is was common before there was a vaccine for measles.

    Also, a version of the MMR vaccine was used in the USA since 1971. So there was quite a bit a data available to a former doctor at the Royal Free. Pity he never used it. It may have saved him embarrassment and being struck off the medical registry.

    I am glad to hear about your child. My son is still quite disabled, but gets disability services at the community college. Seizures from an actual disease are not fun. They should be avoided. If you have verifiable data that shows any vaccine on either the UK or American pediatric schedule causes more seizures than the actual disease, do feel free to share that. Otherwise, don’t make comments like “Let the copy and pasted replies of the syringevangelical IV begin.”

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  217. Chris
    June 10, 2013 at 2:30 am

    Correction: “I still want to know the relative costs of treating one out of ten in the hospital versus getting two MMR does.”

    Sorry, late and night, and I keep having to repeat the question because it is never answered.

    If you are going to complain about “Big Pharma” and profits, you need to actually answer the financial questions. Why do you avoid them? Is it a mindset? Do you actually make money from selling blow-by tubes, oxygen tanks, or those tubes that are put into noses (hey, David, do you have stock on oxygen bars)? Seriously, if you want to be taken seriously answer the question or say, “Oops, I’m sorry, I was wrong.”

    Is that too difficult?

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  218. June 10, 2013 at 5:41 am

    @Chris – so no real scientific evidence or citations from our drive-by trolls then, eh?

    Why am I not surprised…..so, I still recommend that people check out Todd’s excellent site debunking the standard anti-vaccine canards:

    http://antiantivax.flurf.net/

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  220. Honestly
    December 22, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Sorry I forgot to ask a question…is there a vaccine for obesity?
    Thanks

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  221. Gray Falcon
    December 22, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Honestly, if you legitimate point, you would have made one. You just insulted her looks. Consequently, I can conclude you admit that vaccines are safe and effective.

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  222. Chris
    December 22, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Honestly: “Wait, hold on, I just had a newborn and she needs to get a HepB shot because she will be using drugs and having sex next week.”

    Are you absolutely positive you do not have Hepatitis B and are not at risk of transmitting it to your child? The test will have a certain number that are false negative. Plus, are you going to make sure your child does not come into contact with anyone who is a Hepatitis B carrier? Are you going to prevent every aunty, friend and others who from kissing your baby? How will you prevent your toddler from chewing on a toy that another toddler slobbered, or even bled on? Do you plan on keeping your baby isolated from others for more than a year or two?

    Here is something you might want to read: http://www.pkids.org/immunizations/HBV_kids_infect_kids.html

    Also, remember, insults are neither a valid form of discussion, and nor are they a reasonable substitute for data.

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