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Worldwide Ban on Thimerosal Would Cost Lives

Amy Pisani, Executive Director of Every Child By Two, offers insight on an important global decision regarding thimerosal in vaccines. 
 

Today, the American Academy of Pediatrics is supporting the World Health Organization’s position to continue to use the preservative thimerosal to vaccinate children in developing nations.

As our readers are most likely aware, thimerosal was removed from the majority of vaccines provided to infants and children in the U.S. due to concerns that this mercury-based preservative could cause detrimental effects.  So why would the World Health Organization (WHO) and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) support the continued use of thimerosal in foreign countries?  The simple answer is that thimerosal is a safe and necessary component of vaccines and that millions of lives would be lost if efforts to ban it globally were to succeed.  But the story behind the decision is not as simple.

Thimerosal…what is it, and how did that one word spread havoc in the hearts of a nation at the outset of the new millennium?

Thimerosal is an ethyl mercury based preservative that prevents the growth of bacteria and fungi.  The preservative was included in all multi-dose vials of vaccines to eliminate the chances of contamination, which could occur as syringe needles are reinserted into multi-dose vials.  This contamination has the potential to cause severe reactions at the site of the injections, as well as serious illness and even death, hence the need for a stable preservative in the vials.

PD_0173Up until the late 1990s many of the vaccines used in the U.S were in multi-dose vials and therefore included thimerosal.  The Food and Drug Modernization Act of 1997 required that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) review mercury content in all biological products.  The review noted that the cumulative amounts of ethyl mercury found in the vaccine series given to young infants could potentially exceed the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) guidelines.   It is important to note that the EPA’s standards were stricter than those of the FDA or the Agency for Toxic Substances Disease Registry (TSDR).  Vaccines did not surpass the levels set forth by either the FDA or TSDR.

In response to the EPA findings, the AAP and US Public Health Service (USPHS) called for the elimination of mercury in vaccines as a precautionary measure.  Manufacturers responded by altering production procedures to create single dose vials of those vaccines that were formerly stored in multi-dose vials.  The only vaccine for children that currently contains thimerosal are some doses of influenza vaccination – a necessary decision due to the need to rapidly disseminate vaccines, particularly in face of serious pandemics of influenza.  Most people are unaware that several vaccines, including MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine, never contained thimerosal in the first place.

As it turns out, the EPA standards were set for methyl mercury, commonly found in fish and wildlife, which are themselves contaminated through environmental mercury pollution.  Methyl mercury, which accumulates in the body at least seven times longer than ethyl mercury, has been proven to cause adverse neurodevelopmental effects.

What we have learned.

In the time since the decision was made to remove thimerosal from vaccines, numerous studies have been conducted worldwide to determine the effects of thimerosal on infants and children.  These studies have found no evidence that the preservative causes harm to infants or children.  Special attention has been focused on the question of whether the removal of thimerosal from vaccines would result in a rapid decline in autism cases.  This was not the case; even with the decline in use of thimerosal containing vaccines, autism rates continued to climb.

It was hoped that by clarifying the difference between methyl and ethyl-mercury, the lack of that one letter “m” in front of the word describing a dangerous compound, the fears of a nation would be alleviated…no such luck!

BurtonThimerosalOne man ensured that our fears were fed through a series of highly publicized hearings on Capitol Hill; Congressman Dan Burton, who was convinced that his grandson was rendered autistic due to his vaccines.  As an expectant mother at the time, I can attest to the fact that these hearings, and subsequent news stories, planted seeds of doubt regarding whether sufficient research was in hand to make a determination about the connection between vaccines and autism.  In all honesty, I sat through hearing after hearing trying to wrap my non-medically trained brain around the concept of the difference between types of mercury and studies already present that clarified there was no fear to be had from ethyl mercury.  To make matters worse, Burton was incredibly demeaning to and argumentative towards any scientist who testified regarding the safety of thimerosal, making it very difficult to focus on the content of their presentations.

As it turns out, the answer really was simple…. Unlike the methyl mercury found in the environment, ethyl mercury is quickly excreted from the body. Therefore, it is much less likely to accumulate in the body, causing the type of harm that methyl mercury is proven to cause, such as brain damage. It is truly as simple as that.  And, based on this fact and the dozens of studies conducted throughout the world since 1999, parents can unequivocally place their fears about thimerosal containing vaccines beyond the back burner.

Flash forward to 2012.

With the exception of some influenza doses, U.S. vaccines no longer contain thimerosal.  Families are increasingly gaining confidence in the research that exonerates vaccines as a cause of autism or other neurological disorders.  And yet, a draft treaty is currently under consideration by the United Nations Environmental Program (UNEP) to ban the use of mercury-based compounds, including thimerosal, worldwide.  While the UNEP’s proposal to eliminate exposure to dangerous forms of mercury is a noble goal, the inclusion of thimerosal in the treaty is misguided, since scientific consensus concludes that this form of mercury does not pose a threat to humans.

In fact, thimerosal-containing vaccines are critical in the efforts to distribute vaccines to developing countries for several reasons.  The use of multi-dose vials reduces the cost of vaccines and the demand on already constrained cold-chain systems (vaccines must be kept at stable temperatures to remain viable, a particular challenge in resource-poor countries).

WHOAccording to the WHO, if thimerosal is no longer in use, single dose vials will increase the amount of transportation and storage space required more than threefold with an estimated cost increase that exceeds 300 million annually.

This explains why the WHO, as well as U.S. and foreign governmental and non-governmental organizations, are taking steps to educate government agencies worldwide regarding the need to continue to allow thimerosal in vaccines and remove it from the list of banned mercury products.

Today’s announcements and commentaries.

Today, we commend the AAP, who has announced their endorsement of the recommendation of the WHO’s Strategic Advisory Group of Experts on Immunization pertaining to the use of thimerosal in vaccines.  Three captivating commentaries accompany their endorsement of the use of thimerosal in vaccines.  The first titled Ban on Thimerosal in Draft Treaty on Mercury: Why the AAP’s Position in 2012 Is So Important provides the rational for the call for the removal of thimerosal from vaccines in 1999.  The commentary concludes with this decisive statement;

“Had the AAP known what research has revealed in the intervening 14 years, it is inconceivable to us that these organizations (AAP and USPHS) would have made the joint statement of July 7, 1999. The WHO recommendation to delete the ban on thimerosal must be heeded or it will cause tremendous damage to current programs to protect all children from death and disability caused by vaccine-preventable diseases”

AfricanKidsThe second commentary Global Vaccination Recommendations and Thimerosal”, includes the specific findings of experts on the devastating effects that a global ban on thimerosal would have on efforts to vaccinate children globally.  Vaccines currently prevent more than 2.5 million deaths annually.  Millions more could be saved if global vaccine efforts received the proper support.  This ban would have the opposite effect, resulting in the deaths of untold numbers of children worldwide.

While some claim it unjust to allow thimerosal use in developing nations, since it has been phased out of the supply chain for wealthier nations, the final commentary, titled Global Justice and the Proposed Ban on Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines” counters that argument.  The writers provide the rational for opposing a ban on thimerosal in resource-poor countries based on the fact that current science does not support such a decision in 2012 and that there would be a certain loss of lives if such a decision were to be made.

Back in 2002, after evaluating the research that showed that thimerosal posed no risk of harm, the AAP retired their statement from 1999 that called for the removal of thimerosal from vaccines.  Today, they have taken a monumental step in supporting the rights of children worldwide to have access to life-saving vaccines by endorsing the WHO’s position and the publication of these three monumental essays.

  1. Pat Vranesich
    December 17, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Agencies should make decisions based on today’s science. Studies during the past 15 years have not shown any evidence of harm from thimerosol. Replacing thimerosal with an alternative preservative may affect the supply and the safety of vaccines.

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  2. December 17, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Very true – the original ban was undertaken as a precaution, but subsequent research and analysis shows that the original fears were in error…..

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  3. Timothy Turkenlouish
    December 17, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    OMG ….This is unbelievable! Fools!

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  4. Lauren @ the VEC
    December 17, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    To learn more about thimerosal, The Vaccine Education Center at The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia has a question and answer sheet titled “Thimerosal: What you should know”: http://www.chop.edu/export/download/pdfs/articles/vaccine-education-center/thimerosal.pdf.

    You can also visit our thimerosal hot topics page on our website: http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/hot-topics/thimerosal.html

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  5. Rosa
    December 18, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Dr. Stephanie Cave says: “A 2005 article in the LA Times by Myron Levin stated that Merck’s ‘senior executives were concerned that infants were getting an elevated dose of mercury in vaccinations containing a widely used sterilizing agent.’ In March 1991, Dr. Maurice R. Hilleman, an internationally renowned vaccinologist, sent a memo to Merck’s vacine division president noting that ‘6-mont-old children who received their shots on schedule would get a dose up to 87 times higher than guidelines for the maximum daily consumption of mercury from fish.’ The memo continued: W When viewed in this way, the mercury load appears rather large.” This information surfaces at the same time that the number of vaccines given to babies increased, and three vaccines-the DTP, Hib, and hepatitis B-were recommended to be given on the same day.

    Even though thimerosal contains nearly 50% ethyl mercury, it appears few had paid any attention to its potential dangers until Pallone’s amendment became law, and the FDA was obligated to investigate it. From 1991 to 1999, infants inadvertengly received up to 125 times the FDA safe limit of mercury.”

    Sallie Bernard and her colleagues, after their children developed autism soon after receiving mercury-containing (thimerosal) shots, wrote an article and included a comparison of some of the possible symptoms of mercury toxicity, which are identical to some of the common symptoms of autism:

    arm-flapping, rocking, circling, lack of cooridination, difficulty walking, sitting, standing, difficulty swallowing or chewing, walking on the toes, oversensitivty to sound, abnormal sensation in the mouth, arms, legs, doesn’t like to be touched, delayed or absent speech, hearing loss, deafness at very high doses of mercury, problems with articulation, word retrieval problems, borderline intelligence, mental retardation, may be reversed or recovered, poor concentration, poor attention, difficulty following complex commands, difficulty comprehending words, difficulty understanding abstract ideas and symbols, poor eye contact, blurred vision, decreased muscle strength, especially in upper body, excessive salivation, abnormal sweating, poor circulation, high heart rate, diarrhea, constipation, abdominal pain, anorexia, nausea, eating problems, tendency to allergies, asthma, tendency to rheumatoid arthritis, sleeping difficulties, injures self, such as head banging, staring, unprovoked crying, social isolation.

    To many of us who have seen these symptoms arise shortly after vaccination and cause our children’s autism, it is obvious that the culprit was the mercury in the vaccines. It is shameful to promote continuing to use mercury in the vaccines given to children in the Third World, and seems to suggest that the lives of poor children are expendable, and the important thing is profits for Big Pharma.

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  6. December 18, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    @Rosa – if thimersol was the problem, why did the rate of autism continue to increase after the removal of thimersol from the US Pediatric Vaccine schedule? And don’t make the lame “flu” vaccine excuse, because a lower number of people overall get the flu vaccine & several thimersol-free versions are available….

    All you are encouraging is an increase in life-threatening, vaccine-preventable diseases in the Third World….

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  7. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Because it’s not just about thimerosal…..it’s also about aluminum and all of the other toxic ingredients. They all contribute to the rise in autism.

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  8. December 18, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    @Peaceful – then it would be easy to provide relevant PubMed citations then, wouldn’t it?

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  9. Rosa
    December 18, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Thanks, PW, aluminum is another deadly neurotoxin that’s in the recommended shots at many times the “recommended probably safe” levels of this poison. Formaldehyde and ethanol (antifreeze) are a couple of others. Also, mercury is still in most vaccines in small amounts, it may be that there’s no safe level of this most poisonous non-radioactive substance known to man. And, right around the time they took most mercury out of most vaccines, they recommended that every human being over six months old get a usually mercury-containing flu vaccine every year (twice a year sometimes, four times that H1N1 fall of 2009), as well as pregnant women, to make sure the developing fetuses were impaired from the start.

    Lawrence, maybe you could give us a PubMed citation about how safe mercury is in any amount when injected straight into the body, bypassing the toxin-filtering mechanisms of the respiratory, digestive, and excretory systems. Then everyone could see what we’re up against when even our medical and scientific systems are telling us untruths.

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  10. December 18, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    @Peaceful – the website linked in my name – http://antiantivax.flurf.net/ demolishes the common myths perpetuated by anti-vaccine groups regarding Thimersol, Aluminum, and other vaccine additives that are claimed to be “harmful” but are not.

    Now, I’ve provided some real evidence and Science – how about you?

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  11. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    It doesn’t matter what you believe lawrence. We know the truth, and for anybody else who wants to know the truth, do your own research before vaccinating. Make your own decisions on what’s best for your own families. You will find research supporting every side, so go with what resonates with you. Education before vaccination.

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  12. December 18, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    @Rosa – do you know the difference between an element & a compound?

    Why aren’t people dying left and right from eating salt? I mean, its made up of both Sodium & Chlorine, which are toxic to humans, correct?

    If you don’t know the difference between elemental mercury and mercury compounds, then you are not educated enough to take part in this discussion & instead, you are spreading misinformation and falsehoods.

    Since Thimersol isn’t elemental mercury, your question is invalid.

    Flu vaccines are available in thimersol-free versions & in state’s like California, only thimersol-free versions are available to the public (by law).

    You are wedded to a disproven theory from a decade ago (longer now), and the research isn’t panning out regarding aluminum salts either (again, a compound, not elemental aluminum). Not to mention that our bodies generate more formaldehyde as part of our natural metabolic process then is contained in all vaccines on the schedule combined.

    Why don’t you come back when you’ve passed basic chemistry or biology 101.

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  13. December 18, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    @Peaceful – I have provided solid scientific evidence & citations. It isn’t a question of what I believe, it is what the facts and evidence have shown since the beginning – that vaccines are not linked to autism.

    You can “believe” whatever you want, but the facts don’t back up your side of the story.

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  14. December 18, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    @Rosa & Peaceful – I would recommend that you read “The Great Derangement” by Matt Tabibi. He does a great job of showing why niche segments of the US public embrace their own “TRUTH,” as a means of dealing with an alienation from the mainstream…..

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  15. December 18, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    @Peaceful & Rosa – lilady was kind enough to post this in another thread & I think it deserves to be repeated here (since it directly addresses Rosa’s question about safety):

    Here again the PubMed line listing of 327 studies disproving any link between the MMR Vaccine and the onset of autism:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?linkname=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=19952979

    And here, from the Autism Science Foundation some of the many studies that found no link between any vaccine, the adjuvants/excipients/preservatives in vaccines, the timing of vaccines and the onset of autism:

    http://www.autismsciencefoundation.org/autismandvaccines.html

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  16. Chris
    December 18, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Rosa and Peaceful, pertussis kills about 300000 souls on this planet each year. Now either propose a valid way to prevent those deaths, or verifiable evidence that any vaccine to prevent pertussis is as harmful as the actual disease.

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  17. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    It doesn’t matter what you believe lawrence and chris. We know the truth, and for anybody else who wants to know the truth, do your own research before vaccinating. Make your own decisions on what’s best for your own families. You will find research supporting every side, so go with what resonates with you. Education before vaccination.

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  18. December 18, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Lawrence, a pear contains more formaldehyde then vaccines do. Considering how many pears I still see in stores, they haven’t banned those yet. So much that is wrong in the world today and these people choose to be activists against the single most significant advance in human health since science based medicine was founded. It is mind boggling and today, I don’t have the strength to deal with it. Too much fear, for my son and the greater community he belongs to is my focus now.

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  19. December 18, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    @Peaceful Warrior – so no evidence on your side of things, huh? Just the “TRUTH!”

    Wow….I’m underwhelmed.

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  20. December 18, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    @Peaceful – I have provided actual facts, evidence & citations. What have you got?

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  21. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Glad to be a service to you lawrence. Merry Christmas!

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  22. December 18, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    @Peaceful – interesting response. I’ve never been thanked for pointing out that someone is wrong before……guess there is a first time for everything.

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  23. Chris
    December 18, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Peaceful:

    We know the truth, and for anybody else who wants to know the truth, do your own research before vaccinating

    I don’t believe you. You can change that by providing real evidence for your “truth.” Also it does not answer what your plan is to prevent deaths from pertussis.

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  24. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Bless you lawrence and Chris. I can see that you are troubled. You must find your own way.

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  25. Chris
    December 18, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    I still don’t believe you. I am only troubled by your use of sock puppets and the need to make assertions without evidence. The problem is with you, not us. We want to prevent deaths from diseases, and it is clear that you only complain about vaccines but provide no solutions.

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  26. Chris
    December 18, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    And I am troubled by the lack of caring about the health of children in poor countries by “Peaceful Warrior” and Rosa.

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  27. December 18, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    @Chris – well, we certainly have a live one here…still don’t see “Peaceful” providing any real evidence to back up her “belief in the truth,” whereas we’ve provided actual facts and evidence that directly contradict her “truth.”

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  28. lilady
    December 18, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    I’m wondering why the trolls/sockie/assorted cranks keep posting here on this pro-vaccine blog.

    They have posted no studies and linked to no citations to back up their ludicrous statements and claim they “know the truth”.

    Just color me unimpressed.

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  29. novalox
    December 18, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    peaceful warrior = doesn’t care about children dying of vaccine preventable diseases, especially if they are 3rd world children.

    One of the more disgusting posters I’ve seen here.

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  30. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    If you want inner peace find it in solitude, not speed, and if you would find yourself, look to the land from which you came and to which you go.

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  31. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Make your decisions on what’s best for you and your family. You will find research and evidence supporting many different views. Do not second guess yourself. Educate before you vaccinate.

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  32. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Bless you too novalox. I still love you.

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  33. December 18, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    @Peaceful – you say “do your research.” We’ve provided a ton of research that shows that vaccines are safe, effective, and not linked to the various ills that you seem to subscribe to them.

    Now, since we’ve done the heavy lifting, why don’t you provide one shred of “evidence” or research that you think would convince someone to the contrary.

    You say, do your research – so okay, show us exactly what you found that convinced you. Don’t dodge the question – it isn’t a hard one (unless you have no evidence).

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  34. Gray Falcon
    December 18, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Peaceful Warrior :
    If you want inner peace find it in solitude, not speed, and if you would find yourself, look to the land from which you came and to which you go.

    This isn’t about enlightenment, this is about evidence. If someone stabbed you, then declared, “From my perspective and experience, you aren’t injured,” would you still be bleeding?

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  35. novalox
    December 18, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    peaceful warrior, one of the biggest misnomers I have heard of here.

    If you are so full of “peace” as you say, why would you deny something that could potentially save lives?

    Or are you really wanting to see children suffer and die of vaccine preventable diseases, belying your actual name?

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  36. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Peace to all of you

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  37. Gray Falcon
    December 18, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Peaceful Warrior :
    Peace to all of you

    We need evidence, not insincere gestures.

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  38. December 18, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    @Gray – we’re not going to get any evidence….because she has none, obviously.

    Instead, we get inane platitudes while children in the Third World die by the tens of thousands of easily preventable diseases…..

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  39. Chris
    December 18, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    This is closer to reality:
    http://www.gapminder.org/videos/reducing-child-mortality-a-moral-and-environmental-imperative/

    If you care about children and the environment, you would be for preventing disease.

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  40. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    Gray Falcon….I am very sincere in my best wishes for you.

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  41. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    Lawrence…there is much evidence for all sides. Looks like you have picked yours.

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  42. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    Chris….there are many, many reality’s.

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  43. Lawrence
    December 18, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    @peaceful – high on mushrooms is no way to make major medical decisions.

    Come back when you are prepared to present real evidence.

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  44. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Humor is good and will keep you young lawrence, don’t ever stop laughing.

    I promote doing your own research because these are major medical decisions.

    “Real” evidence is abound.

    Like you, i have made my decision.

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  45. Lawrence
    December 18, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    @Peaceful – based on what evidence?

    Give us something, anything, or just leave….

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  46. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    I have said my peace lawrence. Peace be with you as well,

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  47. Lawrence
    December 18, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    @pw – you’ve said exactly nothing. Thanks for making anti-vaccine cranks look even worse then they already do.

    We have presented actual scientific evidence to help parents make the right decision.

    PW has given us empty New Age platitudes.

    If you were making a life or death decision for your child, what would you pick? Platitudes or Science /Facts?

    Thanks for making the decision an easy one.

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  48. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Your very much welcome lawrence. Happy Holiday’s!

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  49. December 18, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    @PW – thanks for admitting that the anti-vaccine side has no argument. Happy Holidays back at ya!

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  50. Peaceful Warrior
    December 18, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Yes, much love to you!

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  51. Gray Falcon
    December 18, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Peaceful Warrior :
    Chris….there are many, many reality’s.

    Perhaps, but I’m concerned with ours. If someone shot you, and then said “In some realities, you are fine,” would you still be injured? I suggest you switch from arrogance to humility.

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  52. Quokka
    December 18, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    PW – seriously “love bombing” is so 1980’s you need a new schtick.

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  53. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Gray Flacon…urging people to do their own research and to look at both sides of an issue is both being modest and respectful, which is the true definition of humility.

    Quokka….maybe we should be living right now as we did in the1980’s.

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  54. December 19, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    @Peaceful Warrior – luckily, you’ve shown that their aren’t two sides of the issue, since you haven’t provided anywhere else to look. So, luckily, our links stand on their own……

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  55. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Lawrence….there are always at least 3 sides to every story.

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  56. lilady
    December 19, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    I thought “Peaceful” was leaving this blog…so why doesn’t (s)he just go? I hate long good-byes.

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  57. Chris
    December 19, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Real research:

    Impact of anti-vaccine movements on pertussis control: the untold story.

    Successful Control of Epidemic Diphtheria in the States of the Former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics: Lessons Learned

    Vaccine. 2012 Jan 5;30(2):247-53.
    Lack of association between childhood immunizations and encephalitis in California, 1998-2008.

    Pediatrics Vol. 126 No. 2 August 1, 2010 (doi: 10.1542/peds.2009-1496)
    Lack of Association Between Acellular Pertussis Vaccine and Seizures in Early Childhood

    Pediatrics. 2010 Jun;125(6):1134-41.
    On-time vaccine receipt in the first year does not adversely affect neuropsychological outcomes.

    Pediatrics. 2009 Jun;123(6):1446-51.
    Parental refusal of pertussis vaccination is associated with an increased risk of pertussis infection in children.

    Pediatrics, February 2009, Vol. 123(2):475-82
    Neuropsychological Performance 10 years after Immunization in Infancy with Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines

    Am J Epidemiol. 2008 Dec 15;168(12):1389-96. Epub 2008 Oct 15.
    Geographic clustering of nonmedical exemptions to school immunization requirements and associations with geographic clustering of pertussis.

    Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2006 Sep;25(9):768-73.
    Encephalopathy after whole-cell pertussis or measles vaccination: lack of evidence for a causal association in a retrospective case-control study.

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  58. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Thank you Chris!

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  59. December 19, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    @PW – since you refuse to present “your” side of the story, or even where you get your “evidence,” there is nothing more to say.

    The anti-vaccine groups don’t have evidence, they don’t have facts & they certainly don’t have the Science to back up their beliefs….

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  60. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Peaceful Warrior :
    Gray Flacon…urging people to do their own research and to look at both sides of an issue is both being modest and respectful, which is the true definition of humility.

    No. Humility is acknowledging that you are not inherently superior to others, and that you must follow the same rules as everyone else.

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  61. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Gray Falcon….you are correct and have just defined the definition of modest.

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  62. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Lawrence….I am not here to debate study vs study for that leads down an empty path. You are free to have your beliefs from your own research, I am only suggesting that others do the same.

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  63. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    So, here are a few rules:
    1) If you make a claim, you must provide evidence for it.
    2) We only care about this world. Metaphysics is for religious discussions.
    3) Don’t be surprised if anyone gets angry. Human lives are at stake, anger is perfectly justifiable.

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  64. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    The only claim I make is for each person to decide for themselves the path that best suits them.

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  65. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Peaceful Warrior :
    The only claim I make is for each person to decide for themselves the path that best suits them.

    And we give them the evidence to do so. Withholding information is a sin: If you know a path is dangerous, but do nothing to warn anyone about it, then you are responsible for all those harmed by taking it.

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  66. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    I levae it up to the individual to decide which path is dangerous. You are responsible for your own actions. There are many, many shades Gray Falcon.

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  67. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Peaceful Warrior :
    I levae it up to the individual to decide which path is dangerous. You are responsible for your own actions. There are many, many shades Gray Falcon.

    Again, you advocate evil by inaction. If I know of danger, and fail to warn someone, I am guilty if they come to harm. Not vaccinating is far more dangerous than the alternative. I am warning them of the danger. If you cannot comprehend this, do not speak of right and wrong. Ever.

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  68. December 19, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    @Gray – time to ignore PW – she’s a metaphysical empty-head…..

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  69. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Gray Falcon….. humility?

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  70. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    @PW: There is nothing arrogant about telling someone not to discuss a subject they do not understand. And as Lawrence says, you do not understand anything. We have documented proof of that.

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  71. Patty
    December 19, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Blaxill and Olmsted on dangers of mercury iin thimerosal:
    “Research presented at the IoM meeting on autism and the environment by Mark Noble of the U. or Rochester demonstrated that levels of thimerosal that seem likely to be achieved in the brains of vaccinated infants can interfere with normal growth and development of precursor cells in the developing brain. Noble and his colleagues have shown that thimerosal is as effective as methylmercury in activating cellular response pathways that lead to degradation of cell surface receptors of critical importance in normal cell division and survival. Perhaps most importantly, in the context of brain development, they found that precursor cells isolated from the developing central nervous system are more sensitve to thimerosal and methylmercury than are such differenentiated cell types as neurons and astrocytes (the major support cell in the brain), with sensitivity extending down to exposure levels of 5-10 parts per billion. (Noble 2007. In his IOM presentation Noble provided data showing that thimerosal exposure reduced the survival of neuroglial precursor cells at concentrations in the range of 20 to 50 nanomolar, or 4 to 10 parts per billion.) These appear likely to be clinically relevant exposure levels, as infant monkeys exposed to thimerosal at the levels provided by the infant vaccine schedule had brain concentrations of mercury ranging from 10-20 parts per billion for prolonged periods after the injection.

    A second immediate effect of a potential toxic injury is premature cell death. Although there is little evidence of the widespread killing (necrosis) of cells akin to what one would expect iin more acute mercury exposures, there is evidence for early cell loss in autism, especially in one of the largest and more vulnerable cell lines, the Purkinje cells of the cerebellum. Numerous laboratory studies have shown thatt thimerosal promotes the programmed death (apoptosis) of neuronal stem cell lines, with several of these showing that mitochondria are involved in the process. Like Noble’s analysis, these studies show that thimerosal has a toxic effect even at extremely low doses, with damage seen at levels even lower than five parts per billion.

    A third possible immediate effect of thimerosal exposure is alteration in signaling in the immune system. Vaccination itself is dependent on creating an alteration in cytokine imbalance that enhances response to the pathogen of interest. It appears that when thimerosal is administered in animal models, however, there is first a suppression and then a stimulation of the immune response. In addition, a team led by Isaac Pessah of the MIND Institute also demonstrated that both immature and mature dendritic cells (immune cells involved in innate immune response) are ‘exquisitely sensitive’ to thimerosal. Pessah’s team reported that thimerosal disrupted both redox balance and other signaling channels at parts per billion (or ‘nanomolar’) concentrations.

    A fourth possible outcome of toxic injury is the activation of the brain’s own specialized defense system, the neuroglial cells. A Johns Hopkins research team that examined the brains of autistic cases after death reported that two kinds of these supporting cells, astrocytes (cells that support neurons) and microglia (the brain’s immune cells) are activated in autism. Although it isn’t yet clear whether this neuroglial activation in autism is connected to toxicant expsure, organic mercury is a well-known vehicle for activating these cells. In one series of studies on adult monkeys, low doses of methylmercury entered the brain, were ‘demethylated’ (converted to inorganic mercury), and then trapped in the brain where the residual mercury activated the microglial cells. The same team recently compared exposures of ethylmercury and thimerosal in infant monkeys and showed that the ethylmercury in thimerosal was trapped in the brain more rapidly than methylmercury, suggesting a potentially larger toxic effect…

    A fifth effect of thimerosal exposure is that it can also lead to depletion of cellular reserves of glutathione, a chemical that is at the center of cellular redox state regulation. Glutathione is a critical component of protection against oxidative stress and a variety of physiological stressors, including such toxins as mercury, and is critical in removing mercury from cells. Jill James of the U. of Arkansas exposed neuronal stem cells to thimerosal and showed that ‘thimerosal neurotoxicity is associated with glutathione depletion.’

    Finally, there is a concern as to whether thimerosal exposure could compromise mitochondrial function. Mitochondrial DNA is particularly vulnerable to oxidative stress. A recent study by Mark and David Geier demonstrated that thimerosal exposure at low nanomolar concentrations provolked oxidative stress and mitochondrial dysfunction in neuronal stem cell lines. “

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  72. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Arrogance: Having or showing an exaggerated opinion of one’s own importance, an offensive display of superiority, an arrogant assumption.

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  73. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    I pray for you to become strong Gray Falcon. May God bless you.

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  74. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Simple question, PW: Does reality exist?

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  75. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Patty: [citation needed].

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  76. Chris
    December 19, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Patty (yet another sock puppet):

    Blaxill and Olmsted on dangers of mercury iin thimerosal:

    So, exactly why we should care what is said by a former journalist who could not find the cryptically named “Clinic for Special Children” or a business major who does not know the difference between autism and mercury poisoning? They are more of a CoMeDy team than scientific researchers.

    I just posted much of the science done in the past showing how they were both very very wrong, plus a couple of articles on what happens when anti-vaccination movements cause further death and disability when pertussis and diphtheria return. I suggest that you work on your reading comprehension, and in the future present some actual scientific evidence. Note that each one of mine contain the title, journal and data of PubMed indexed papers.

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  77. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    See Gary Falcon….many shades my friend.

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  78. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    You choose your own reality Gray Falcon.

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  79. December 19, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    @Patty – you shouldn’t have any trouble providing the citations that provide the scientific basis for those “theories,” right?

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  80. December 19, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    @PW – just leave, the adults are having a discussion……

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  81. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    And, that’s the last I have to say to Peaceful Warrior. She can’t even answer the most straightforward question possible. Sorry for conversing with her.

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  82. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    I will pray for you Chris….you are very troubled. You must release the negative energy from your body.

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  83. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    That is the answer Gray Falcon….you create your own reality and choose the direction of your life. We all do. I am sorry that you do not understand.

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  84. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    We share one reality, PW. We live in the same world. If I steal your food, you will starve. If I burn your house down, you will freeze. We live in one reality, and you must learn to accept that.

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  85. December 19, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    @Rosa – and you quote the Geiers, quacks (one of whom isn’t even a doctor) who will shortly not have a license to practice medicine anywhere in the country.

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  86. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    We live in one reality yes…but you choose the reality and your life. You have control and can make changes as you go. You have no defined path.

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  87. December 19, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    @Gray – ignore PW – her metaphysical BS isn’t part of this conversation.

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  88. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    I see you still have humor lawrence. Excellent!

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  89. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    @Lawrence- Yeah, the way it sounds, one has to wonder if sees anything wrong with beating and robbing someone else, as they could just choose a reality where they weren’t robbed.

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  90. Chris
    December 19, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Another first world tragedy: King County infant dies of pertussis. A world wide ban on thimerosal would limit protection from pertussis in developing countries, which would cause more tragic grief.

    So unless, you have a valid way to prevent pertussis, please present real evidence that any vaccine for pertussis that is preserved with thimerosal is more dangerous than pertussis.

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  91. Peaceful Warrior
    December 19, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Much to learn Gray Falcon….but in time, you will.

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  92. December 19, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    There is no vaccine that is “valid” in preventing pertussis.

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  93. December 19, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    @Chris – horrible news, unfortunately, that’s reality……and in this reality we have to fight ignorance with facts and evidence.

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  94. Chris
    December 19, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Brown, then you must provide a valid way to prevent pertussis. First go back and refer to a paper I posted earlier: Impact of anti-vaccine movements on pertussis control: the untold story. You must also tell us why you think babies dying from pertussis is okay dokay.

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  95. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Brown :
    There is no vaccine that is “valid” in preventing pertussis.

    Then why is pertussis rare enough that a death by it is worthy of a news article?

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  96. Chris
    December 19, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Lawrence and Gray Falcon, what can be more horrible a person who will not provide evidence that will protect babies. Brown, can you respond with some actual data and evidence, and a valid way to protect babies from pertussis? Otherwise, you are that horrible person.

    I suggest you click on the blue letters and read the paper about how pertussis came back to countries like Japan and Sweden, killing many children. But not to countries like Norway which maintained a high vaccination rates.

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  97. December 19, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    Here’s some research done by the Department of Infectious Diseases showing that 86% of cases of proven whooping cough are in the “vaccinated”. Science shows the vaccinated are by far and away the most affected by whooping cough.

    28. Witt M et al. 2012. Unexpectedly Limited Durability of Immunity Following Acellular Pertussis Vaccination in Pre-Adolescents in a North American Outbreak. Clin Infect Dis. Clin Infect Dis. 2012 Jun;54(12):1730-5. PMID:22423127

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22423127

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  98. December 19, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Here’s one funded by Kaiser Permanente….even they know the vaccine is ineffective.
    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1200850

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  99. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Brown, basic arithmetic: If hypothetically, a vaccine prevented disease 90% of the time, and 98% of a population took the vaccine:
    For 100,000 potential infections
    there are 98,000 vaccinated
    and 2000 unvaccinated.
    9,800 of those who received the vaccine would be infected.
    All 2000 who didn’t would be infected.
    A total of 11,800 infections, an 88% improvement.
    Of the 11,800 infected, 9,800 received the vaccine.
    So 83% of the infected were vaccinated. And yet the vaccine was still effective. Again, basic arithmetic.

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  100. December 19, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    @Brown – not 100% effective is not ineffective. Yes, the immunity provided by the vaccine doesn’t last as long as we’d like & it does wane over time – and since the vast majority of people have been vaccinated in the past, by raw numbers, of course more “vaccinated” individuals would be affected.

    What people should be doing is getting re-vaccinated, especially if they live in areas where pertussis is a problem now or if they plan on being around young children / babies.

    The alternative, which you seem to be advocating, is to let the disease run rampant and kill more children and babies – is that seriously what you want?

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  101. Chris
    December 19, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Brown, now that you shown yourself numerically illiterate about herd immunity (your papers actually show that more vaccination is required), plus you have not read the paper I posted twice. What happened when Japan delayed pertussis vaccine until age two?

    Please tell us a valid way to prevent pertussis. Or still be considered a horrible person for not caring about babies dying from pertussis.

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  102. December 19, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Gray Falcon,

    Sounds like you have an issue with your pub med study.

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  103. December 19, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    Lawrence,

    Yes….just as I said, “There is no vaccine that is “valid” in preventing pertussis.”

    Glad you agree with me.

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  104. December 19, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Chris,

    Insulting me will get you nowhere. Good bye Chris.

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  105. December 19, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    @Brown – you have an amazingly bad reading comprehension problem, now, don’t you?

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  106. December 19, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    @Brown – so, how would you prevent pertussis from becoming endemic once again & killing numerous babies and small children?

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  107. Chris
    December 19, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Good bye, Brown. I am sure you will come back with a new sock puppet.

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  108. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Brown :
    Gray Falcon,
    Sounds like you have an issue with your pub med study.

    Why do you say that? There was no error in my mathematics. I checked the numbers thoroughly.

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  109. December 19, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    @Brown – did you even bother to read the conclusions of your PubMed study:

    “The possibility of earlier or more numerous booster doses of acellular pertussis vaccine either as part of routine immunization or for outbreak control should be entertained.”

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  110. December 19, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    All you can do is insult people?? Your opinions must not have much merit if that’s what you resort too. It also means you are fearful.

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  111. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Brown :
    All you can do is insult people?? Your opinions must not have much merit if that’s what you resort too. It also means you are fearful.

    Are you reading the same comments I am? Because I’m seeing them point out the obvious flaws in your arguments, putting forth evidence of their own, and demanding you provide real evidence. Perhaps you should reconsider your strategy based on the fact that we can read the previous posts.

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  112. December 19, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    That’s funny because I see insults. Shows fear and ignorance little boy.

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  113. December 19, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    @Gray – shows the warped sense of reality that most anti-vaccine people seem to have…..

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  114. novalox
    December 19, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    @brown

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  115. December 19, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    When people provide evidence and studies on this site, they are either “flawed” studies or a “flawed” interpretation of the studies. Why do you bother to even ask for them? I have never seen one time, where you agreed with or even slightly agreed with evidence provided. What a waste of time. Every single study can be debated or picked apart. I agree with Peaceful that each person must do research and make decisions. Unfortunately, they will learn nothing here, except how to take insults and feel negativity. Peaceful was also right in that you are all very arrogant.

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  116. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Brown- This is science. That’s how we do things. It’s no more negative than a defense attorney picking out the flaws in a prosecutor’s argument.

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  117. December 19, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    @Brown – your interpretations of the information presented was flawed and wrong. We are pointing out that what you & the other anti-vaccine people like to cite as “evidence” is actually no such thing.

    If you know that we are going to pick you apart & show where you are wrong, why even bother showing up?

    I’m sure the folks at AoA would love to talk to you.

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  118. December 19, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    @Gray – yes, because it is so “mean” to point out that someone is misinterpreting or misrepresenting research…..certainly must be vile for us to ask for actual evidence when cia & her sock-puppets come in here with anecdotal stories…..I mean, really, how dare we ask for people to back up what they write?

    @Brown – now that’s sarcasm, if you don’t get it already. We get a little tired of having to correct the same anti-vaccine myths over and over and over again….hence we get a little touchy when someone comes in spouting the same stuff that was discredited the last few dozen times.

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  119. December 19, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Exactly Gray,

    so why bother posting studies? WASTE of time and energy.

    I’m sure there is no validity to any evidence or studies which goes directly against your point of view.
    That was sarcasm Lawrence.

    I’ll take note that studies on pubmed are condsidered to be discredited and “spouting” the same stuff.

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  120. December 19, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    @Brown – well, the Wakefield study was on PubMed & it has been thoroughly discredited…..just because you think something means one thing, doesn’t make it so – most anti-vaccine folks don’t even bother reading the entire contents of a study before they reference it (they think the abstract is all there is) – and when you do open the paper, you find out it says exactly the opposite what the anti-vaccine folks think it does.

    We can show hundreds of studies that show the safety and efficacy of vaccines – what do you have Brown?

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  121. December 19, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Waste of time.

    Your hundreds of studies can also be debated and criticized.

    So a big fat waste of time and with attitudes like yours it’s a double whammy.

    This is one depressing bunch.

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  122. December 19, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    @Brown – then go ahead. If you have a problem with the science, then bring it up and we can discuss…..

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  123. December 19, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    As I have said, no time or inclination to debate every study….there is no point and there is never a winner nor loser. It’s a waste of time and especially with you. The studies should be listed for anyone who wants to read them. If you choose to spend your time debunking studies to me, you will be wasting your time.

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  124. December 19, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    @Brown – wow, way to be open-minded. As for the difference between what the anti-vaccine folk point out and the real science, is that the real science has been replicated over and over again – as opposed to the one-off nut studies that ultimately get refuted after the fact, because their methods were flawed and subsequent research doesn’t show the same results.

    So, there are decades of research that show vaccines are safe, effective, and definitely magnitudes better than the diseases they prevent.

    Since you can’t or won’t produce evidence to the contrary, why don’t you just leave?

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  125. December 19, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    I’m sure you are very open minded Lawrence.
    I already provided evidence to your contrary. I’m sure I will post some more sometime.

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  126. Gray Falcon
    December 19, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Brown, be glad we don’t simply accept everything we hear at face value. Otherwise, you could be convicted for murdering someone who was still alive.

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  127. December 19, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    @Brown – lol, you’re a funny guy. So, the pertussis vaccine isn’t as effective as we’d like it to be….you’re problem with that is, what exactly?

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  128. Chris
    December 19, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Brown (yet another sock puppet, who is sounding lie Joe and Peaceful Warrior):

    so why bother posting studies? WASTE of time and energy.

    Did you ever find out what happened when Japan delayed pertussis vaccination until age two? You obviously did not read either of the ones you posted. The first one concluded “The possibility of earlier or more numerous booster doses of acellular pertussis vaccine either as part of routine immunization or for outbreak control should be entertained.”

    Again, I ask: Please post a valid method to prevent pertussis and the deaths of children from pertussis. Or if you wish, I shall moderate it a bit:

    Please post a valid alternative to vaccination to protect children from pertussis.

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  129. December 19, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Gray…please convict me of murder.

    You are the one murdering innocent children. You are an infection promoter.

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  130. December 19, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Thank you for admitting that the vaccine is not very effective Lawrence. That was my point to begin with.

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  131. December 19, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Chris…I will state it again, there is no “valid” vaccine for the protection of pertussis. So every child you kill or damage with that vaccine, is blood on your hands Chris. Yours.

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  132. Chris
    December 19, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Brown:

    I will state it again, there is no “valid” vaccine for the protection of pertussis.

    That is not what I asked for. I said post a valid alternative to vaccination to protect children from pertussis. Do you know what the word “alternative” means? Let me explain: how would you prevent pertussis in children by not using vaccines. Show us exactly how Japan could have prevented what happened (from the paper I posted twice):

    A pertussis epidemic occurred in 1979 with more than 13 000 cases and 41 deaths.”

    Now you have made a claim:

    So every child you kill or damage with that vaccine,

    Please post the title, journal and dates of the PubMed indexed studies that show any vaccine for pertussis (DTaP, Tdap, Infanrix Hexa) cause 300000 deaths per year.

    If you click on the blue letters with the words ” Infanrix Hexa”, you will see I asked “Please” the same thing. He/she did not answer the question, so it is up to you to succeed where he/she failed. Since you already posted a couple of studies, I am sure you can provide evidence for your recent claim.

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  133. December 19, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    @Brown – where is your evidence that the pertussis vaccine is anywhere near as dangerous as pertussis? There are dozens of babies that have been infected and several that have died during the most recent pertussis outbreaks…..as for the effectiveness of the vaccine, it is extremely effective, especially with the necessary boosters – which many people have not gotten, which makes them vulnerable.

    Again, show that the vaccine is as dangerous as the disease…..I await your evidence.

    But I’m not going to hold my breath.

    Also, what is your definition of “valid?”

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  134. December 19, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    @Brown – also care to explain how you’d deal with Diptheria as well? Since that the D in DTaP…..how about Tentanus too?

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  135. December 19, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    @Brown – you referenced studies that showed DTaP to be slightly less effective than first thought, what I don’t see is anything that says the vaccine is dangerous….where are those studies?

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  136. Chris
    December 19, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Lawrence, I don’t know why Brown keeps repeating that vaccination is not a valid way to prevent pertussis when that is not what I asked. I don’t care about his opinion of any of the vaccines that are for pertussis, I just want to know how Brown would prevent pertussis.

    It just has to be valid proven method. Do you think Brown did not understand the question?

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  137. December 19, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    @Chris – I think “Brown” is our friend “Please” from the other day – we’ll see if he/she degenerates into the same vulgar cycle…..or better yet, refuses to provide a definition for “valid.”

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  138. novalox
    December 19, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    @Lawrence

    So that means no straight answers, just insults and ad hominems from brown and his/her/its ilk.

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  139. Parent
    December 20, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Brown :
    As I have said, no time or inclination to debate every study….there is no point and there is never a winner nor loser. It’s a waste of time and especially with you. The studies should be listed for anyone who wants to read them. If you choose to spend your time debunking studies to me, you will be wasting your time.

    The fact that you don’t listen doesn’t make telling the truth a waste of time. There are always lurkers to be educated.

    “Here’s some research done by the Department of Infectious Diseases showing that 86% of cases of proven whooping cough are in the “vaccinated”. Science shows the vaccinated are by far and away the most affected by whooping cough. ”

    Because the vaccinated are the vast majority of the population.

    By your illogic because nearly 100% of people who die while skydiving were wearing parachutes, skydivers are safer without parachutes.

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  140. Rational Antivax
    December 21, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    By your illogic because nearly 100% of people who die while skydiving were wearing parachutes, skydivers are safer without parachutes.

    And why would someone has to wear a parachute if he’s full intention is to die 100%?

    Another fatal mistake caused by faulty metaphors.

    Vaccines are not 100% effective? They never were to begin with, infection promoters. Parachute saves lives, vaccines infect. You hear that Lawrence?

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  141. dingo199
    December 24, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Thingy, you wouldn’t know a metaphor if you sat on one.

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  142. lilady
    December 24, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    @ dingo 199: You’ve been missing all the cranks who have been posting at the Ho-Po about this new recommendation from the American Academy of Pediatrics:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/thimerosal-vaccines-aap-mercury_n_2316473.html

    Still ignoring delusional, germ phobic, health-care-professional-wannabe, lying troll and her sockies.

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  143. Jules
    January 4, 2013 at 1:14 am

    Autism Science Digest: Aluminum Toxicity in Mitochondrial Dysfunction and Autism

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/asd05_mullanyasko.pdf

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  144. January 4, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Rosa :
    Dr. Stephanie Cave says: “A 2005 article in the LA Times by Myron Levin stated that Merck’s ‘senior executives were concerned that infants were getting an elevated dose of mercury in vaccinations containing a widely used sterilizing agent.’ In March 1991, Dr. Maurice R. Hilleman, an internationally renowned vaccinologist, sent a memo to Merck’s vacine division president noting that ’6-mont-old children who received their shots on schedule would get a dose up to 87 times higher than guidelines for the maximum daily consumption of mercury from fish.’ The memo continued: W When viewed in this way, the mercury load appears rather large.” This information surfaces at the same time that the number of vaccines given to babies increased, and three vaccines-the DTP, Hib, and hepatitis B-were recommended to be given on the same day.
    Even though thimerosal contains nearly 50% ethyl mercury, it appears few had paid any attention to its potential dangers until Pallone’s amendment became law, and the FDA was obligated to investigate it. From 1991 to 1999, infants inadvertengly received up to 125 times the FDA safe limit of mercury.”
    Sallie Bernard and her colleagues, after their children developed autism soon after receiving mercury-containing (thimerosal) shots, wrote an article and included a comparison of some of the possible symptoms of mercury toxicity, which are identical to some of the common symptoms of autism:
    arm-flapping, rocking, circling, lack of cooridination, difficulty walking, sitting, standing, difficulty swallowing or chewing, walking on the toes, oversensitivty to sound, abnormal sensation in the mouth, arms, legs, doesn’t like to be touched, delayed or absent speech, hearing loss, deafness at very high doses of mercury, problems with articulation, word retrieval problems, borderline intelligence, mental retardation, may be reversed or recovered, poor concentration, poor attention, difficulty following complex commands, difficulty comprehending words, difficulty understanding abstract ideas and symbols, poor eye contact, blurred vision, decreased muscle strength, especially in upper body, excessive salivation, abnormal sweating, poor circulation, high heart rate, diarrhea, constipation, abdominal pain, anorexia, nausea, eating problems, tendency to allergies, asthma, tendency to rheumatoid arthritis, sleeping difficulties, injures self, such as head banging, staring, unprovoked crying, social isolation.
    To many of us who have seen these symptoms arise shortly after vaccination and cause our children’s autism, it is obvious that the culprit was the mercury in the vaccines. It is shameful to promote continuing to use mercury in the vaccines given to children in the Third World, and seems to suggest that the lives of poor children are expendable, and the important thing is profits for Big Pharma.

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  145. January 4, 2013 at 11:48 am

    @Kristine – a review of all available scientific literature shows no support for the Thimerasol – Autism link, not to mention that the symptoms of mercury poisoning are not the same as the symptoms of autism.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17168158

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  146. Chris
    January 4, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Jules and Ms. Neuman, this article is about vaccinating people in developing countries. If you do not approve of vaccines the put forth your scientifically proven method of preventing the 200000 to 300000 deaths from pertussis and the almost 200000 deaths from tetanus world wide.

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  147. February 25, 2013 at 3:10 am

    This is very amazing blog and information provided by the article of this blog is really nice and useful and i would like to visit the blog again.

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