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Service Above Self – Now That’s A Motto to Live By!

Surrounding Yourself with Good People Can Bring You Joy Every Day

In a grown up world you have good days and bad days at work.  While my work day yesterday with an unpleasant online encounter, I  consider myself to be one of those truly fortunate individuals whose good days outweigh the bad by an incredibly large margin.  Each morning I look forward to tackling the tasks ahead of me as the Director of Every Child By Two (ECBT), knowing that today could be the day we save a life.  While we work on many different initiatives, our priorities are steadfast and my terrific staff members share in my commitment to our goals.  Our organization has the very specific focus of ensuring that every child completes their primary series of vaccines by age two.  As our readers know, ECBT recently became a partner of the Shot@Life campaign to expand this assurance to children throughout the globe; children who deserve the same chance at reaching precious milestones as children in the U.S.

The Shot@Life campaign, although new in its efforts, has already made an impact on the way that I view the world and it has jump started my community service efforts.  It has made me appreciate all the little things we are able to provide to our two children this summer, like sandcastles and sailing, fishing and snorkeling, and best of all, time with family and friends.

When I was a little girl, I remember laying on the front yard for what seemed like hours, watching the fireflies and stars in the great big sky.  Each of us cherishes the memories of our childhood, and as parents we strive to create those wonderful memories for our own children.  We also want to raise them to be good friends and caring citizens of the future.   That is why I was so excited to learn that the Rotary Foundation, which I only recently joined, had also committed to partnering with the Shot@Life campaign.  It seemed like the best of both worlds had entered my small town.  Now I could pinpoint a community service project through my local Rotary club that I could involve my own kids in.  A project that has the specific and attainable goal of bringing life-saving vaccines to children around the world.

This weekend my son, niece and I joined my fellow Mystic, Connecticut Rotarians at the Mystic Outdoor Arts Festival serving Dells Frozen Lemonade to raise funds for our club’s initiatives.

Antonio Pisani and cousin Sarah Hansen scooped hundreds of frozen lemon ices at our Rotary fundraising booth. Satisfied customer, Nicholas Pisani soothes his sore throat

Over the course of the day it surprised me how few people knew what the Rotary was about and how they contribute to our local community and the world.  During my travels to Africa, Rotary seemed as popular as Coca Cola; everyone was so grateful for the polio eradication efforts organized by Rotary.

The main objective of Rotary is service — in the community, in the workplace, and throughout the world. Rotarians develop community service projects that address many of today’s most critical issues, such as children at risk; poverty and hunger; the environment; illiteracy; and violence.

They also support educational opportunities and international exchanges for students, teachers and other professionals along with vocational and career development programs.

The Rotary motto is “Service Above Self”.  Although Rotary clubs develop autonomous service programs, all Rotarians worldwide are united in a campaign for the global eradication of polio. Rotary has provided an army of volunteers to promote and assist at national immunization days in polio-endemic countries around the world and has provided over $500 million towards this goal.

Families from Zimbabwe greeting us and our colleagues from Rotary during National Immunization Days

That’s why, last spring when I was inducted into the Rotary, it literally brought tears to my eyes knowing that in some small way I might help close the door on polio.  And that’s what it’s all about – making a difference, whether small or large.  Doing something, even if it’s just selling lemonade alongside my family at an art festival in a small New England town, is better than doing nothing at all.

At the end of the long hot afternoon (which included far too many sour lemonades to ward off the heat), my son, niece and I handed over an enormous pile of cash and it made all of us feel great because we knew that it could mean the difference between a child living or dying on the other side of the globe.

Around the world there are over 1.2 million men and women serving in Rotary.  Student volunteers also do much to support local Rotary efforts.  Find out how you can join your local club where you will share in fellowship with wonderful neighbors while serving your community.  Two things I’ve learned since joining Rotary – there is always a project on the horizon and Rotarians are welcome at a meeting anywhere in the world – what a lovely thought.

Volunteers from Stonington High School’s Interact Club Serve Up The Cheer

(Heather Jackson, Rachyl Jackson, and Libby Hall)


  1. August 13, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    The polio vaccine is keeping polio alive and well. http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-204_162-5242168.html

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  2. Chris
    August 13, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Did you look at the date of the article: August 14, 2009 2:07 PM

    There has been some progress in the past three years.

    Plus it really has nothing to do with volunteering to protect children from disease. Perhaps you should create a campaign to provided IPV instead of OPV to those countries. Much more expensive, but with fewer problems of vaccine associated infections.

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  3. ella
    August 14, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Chris,
    I appreciate your being concerned with providing children in the Third World the relatively safer vaccines that children in the First World receive. The apparent subtext of giving them the less safe vaccines seems to be that poor children are expendable.

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  4. August 14, 2012 at 11:45 am

    I love that your kids learn so much by your example. I bet they felt great after the day of work they put in.

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  5. melodybutler
    August 14, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Until recently I wasn’t aware that anyone could join and particpate in the Rotary Club. “Rotary club members are men and women of all ages and professional backgrounds who use their talents, skills, and energy to improve the lives of people in communities at home and around the world.” They’re on facebook too- https://www.facebook.com/rotary

    I also love the fact your children are involved in such a great cause! What an great role model!

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  6. Chris
    August 14, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    ella:

    The apparent subtext of giving them the less safe vaccines seems to be that poor children are expendable.

    So, you don’t donate to help others unless the supplies meet with your standards? So if a food relief package is being sent to help a famine, you would think it was terrible that the food was not organic?

    The point being, the OPV does have issues, but it works better than nothing. If you or Ms. Bischof do not like it, then raise funds to supply IPV.

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  7. August 14, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    I need to clarify that folks must be sponsored by a Rotarian to join and the membership committee then considers each applicant. The process is not burdensome, but there are stringent rules on attendance and service.

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  8. August 14, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Children are never expendable and we are so close to eliminating polio all together. Yes oral polio is not perfect but it what the World Health Organization and others deem necessary to completely eradicate this terrible disease.

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  9. Steve Michaels
    August 14, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Why don’t the ECBT and shot@life crowd actually join forces with the Rotary to bring sanitation and fresh drinking water to the poor and underprivileged? At least then you would be actually helping fight disease instead of helping line industry pockets while they make kids victims of chronic illness with their poisons.

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  10. Steve Michaels
    August 14, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    And Amy, if children are NEVER expendable, how do you explain this?

    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1120116/jsp/frontpage/story_15011108.jsp#.UCqwV7_6Z7M

    Here’s the excerpt (not reported in the US media):

    “India’s health ministry, celebrating a year of freedom from wild polio, now faces a dilemma that public health experts had predicted years ago: the very vaccine it is using to fight polio is causing more polio paralysis than the wild poliovirus.

    India observed last Thursday as a milestone, marking a full year without polio caused by a wild poliovirus.

    But surveillance data show that last year, seven children in India developed polio from vaccine-derived poliovirus (VDPV), the medical term for a virus from the oral polio vaccine (OPV) that has regained the ability to cause disease.”

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  11. Steve Michaels
    August 14, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Here’s the reporting of 47,000 cases of paralysis from the vaccine. By the way, that is a higher rate of paralysis than from polio itself!!

    http://www.sovereignindependentuk.co.uk/2012/04/22/untested-vaccines-causing-new-wave-of-polio-like-paralysis-across-india/

    I won’t link to it because it will push my comment into the mire of moderation, but remember the US Government Statistics that showed 70 to90% declines in infectious diseases BEFORE vaccination was available? Even scarlet fever, for which there is still no vaccine, declined at a similar rate with the rolling out of clean drinking water and proper sewage removal and treatment. It is a shame that the vax crowd likes to take credit for the last few percentage points of reductions in disease and pretend that nothing else helped. It is most disingenuous.

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  12. Chris
    August 14, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Mr. Michaels:

    Even scarlet fever, for which there is still no vaccine,

    How come we keep having to tell you that scarlet fever is a form of untreated strep infection? Kids still get strep infections, but they are treated with antibiotics. Are you forgetful?

    I won’t link to it because it will push my comment into the mire of moderation, but remember the US Government Statistics that showed 70 to90% declines in infectious diseases BEFORE vaccination was available?

    Le sigh. You are very forgetful.

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  13. Chris
    August 14, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Mr. Michaels:

    And Amy, if children are NEVER expendable, how do you explain this?

    And you missed this comment as a link to the original paper referenced in that article, and where it was discussed. While the paper brought up legitimate concerns, it has some rather odd comments.

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  14. Nathan
    August 14, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Steve,

    Why don’t the ECBT and shot@life crowd actually join forces with the Rotary to bring sanitation and fresh drinking water to the poor and underprivileged? At least then you would be actually helping fight disease instead of helping line industry pockets while they make kids victims of chronic illness with their poisons.

    My guess is that because that is the focus of other groups, and although essential to these areas, sanitation and water projects cannot save lives anywhere near as quickly and cost effectively as vaccines. Children do not need to die from polio while the country builds an infrastructure.

    And also because your “victims of chronic illnes with their poisons” line is baloney.

    And wait a second… your first report indicates seven cases of VAPP, and your second says 47,000? Oh wait, I see the problem, your second link is about non-polio paralysis, not vaccine-associated paralysis, and is from Natural News who wants everyone to believe that all non-polio paralysis is caused by the polio vaccine because they are a tabloid for alt-med conspiracy junkies.

    I won’t link to it because it will push my comment into the mire of moderation, but remember the US Government Statistics that showed 70 to90% declines in infectious diseases BEFORE vaccination was available?

    No, you won’t link to it because that’s not what US government statistics show. Or maybe you will, because you really like to link to things that don’t say what you say they say.

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  15. August 15, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Thank you Nathan and Chris – Today is just one of those days when I just can’t withstand the negativity (woke up with my son’s sore throat and headache – guess I forgot to wash my hands vigorously enough while I was holding his head over the toilet two days ago) and am so grateful to folks like you that refuse to withstand the nonsense…if there was a vaccine for the common cold – I’d take ten extra shots of that please.

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  16. August 15, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Chris :
    Perhaps you should create a campaign to provided IPV instead of OPV to those countries. Much more expensive, but with fewer problems of vaccine associated infections.

    Why do you call it vaccine associated infections rather than vaccine associated damage?

    Paralyses are a well documented adverse effect of many vaccines. Pretending the cause is a virus is hogwash, and moving to another vaccine will be just as dangerous, albeit the damage will take more decades to be noticed and Big Pharma can make its profits in the meantime.

    Fraud! fraud! fraud!

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  17. August 15, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Amy Pisani :
    Children are never expendable and we are so close to eliminating polio all together. Yes oral polio is not perfect but it what the World Health Organization and others deem necessary to completely eradicate this terrible disease.

    Please enlighten us, how is “polio” being diagnosed in 3rd world countries such as India?

    I have the impression that serologies are not being done, so all causes of Acute Flaccid Paralyses not preventable by vaccines are lumped into the “polio” word, giving Big Pharma the endless business opportunity of forever chasing a ghost.

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  18. August 15, 2012 at 9:58 am

    I’m afraid my fears are justified… at least up to 1998 the differential diagnosis of “polio” in India was based on clinical presentation alone, with no confirmation of virus infection.

    http://www.iisc.ernet.in/currsci/nov10/articles21.htm

    “The WHO and Indian guidelines for the diagnosis of paralytic poliomyelitis emphasize the asymmetry observed in paralysis as the main diagnostic feature, without making clear whether the observed asymmetry refers to limb or muscle. …The WHO and Indian Government guidelines suggest that symmetrical paralysis is caused by Guillain-Barr‚ syndrome (GBS) or transverse myelitis (TM), and rule out polio. However, the most important determinant of symmetry, severity, and location of paralysis is the number and site of injections received. The official guidelines are incomplete, unclear and misleading for use with affected children, most of whom will have received injections prior to paralysis.”

    This has the convenient effect lumping “true polio” with lots of other non-vaccine preventable paralyses, creating the false impression of apermanent need to sell polio-preventing products.

    Fraud! fraud! fraud!

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  19. August 15, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Injections are good, let’s serve bringing tons of injections to every kid… the more injections the better their health… really?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12929860

    Diagnosis of acute flaccid paralysis: injection injury or polio?

    School of Healthcare Studies, University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9UT, England.

    In many countries, the treatment of choice for all fevers is one or more injections [note: and don’t forget vaccines].
    These injections are associated with a risk of nerve damage. If cases of poliomyelitis are not to be missed, the diagnosis of injection trauma or traumatic neuritis (TN) must be exact. The guides for distinguishing between TN and polio are not clear. It is probable that some cases of polio are misdiagnosed as TN [note: and vice-versa, more convenient to create perception of an epidemic].
    As three-quarters of children with paralytic polio receive injections just before the onset of paralysis, their paralysis may be mistaken for TN. [note: or vice-versa, a iatrogenic paralysis is mistaken for polio]
    Clearer guidelines are proposed, together with suggestions for better documentation of muscles injected and paralysed. All cases of reported TN should be monitored and new diagnostic guidelines published.
    To protect their children, mothers must be educated to understand that injections for fever can cause harm. [note: and why not the rest of injections, like vaccines?] This must be an important part of the eradication programme for poliomyelitis.”

    Injections immediately preceding paralyses, then blaming them on a virus for which Big Pharma has the vaccine. Create the problem and sell the solution! how clever are these busieness gangsters, are they?

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  20. novalox
    August 15, 2012 at 10:27 am

    @putin

    More of your dishonesty, mu little puppet? Just keep ranting and raving and lying, as usual, my little precious putin, like you always do.

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  21. August 16, 2012 at 9:24 am

    The goal of polio eradication is to eliminate the need to vaccinate once and for all, as was done with smallpox. Where is the logic that manufacturers would be behind this if it means that their vaccines would no longer be used?

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  22. August 16, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Amy Pisani :
    The goal of polio eradication is to eliminate the need to vaccinate once and for all, as was done with smallpox. Where is the logic that manufacturers would be behind this if it means that their vaccines would no longer be used?

    Wild-type polio has been erradicated from the USA since 1990, but mass vaccinations are still in place… that’s a contradiction.

    So the declared goal and the actual facts on the field don’t match. When intentions contradict the facts, what’s wrong is the intentions.

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  23. Thomas
    August 16, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    @Steve….do you have a website or blog?

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  24. Steve Michaels
    August 17, 2012 at 3:37 am

    Thomas :
    @Steve….do you have a website or blog?

    No I do not. I simply am just a concerned parent who, when my wife was pregnant with our first, decided to do some research into vaccines after an issue with my dogs. We used to foster dogs for a rescue. We have three dogs of our own, and when we fostered the fourth dog, she became ill with a weepy eye. We took her to the vet who promptly gave here a antibiotic for her eye and sent us on our merry way. Several days later she started coughing badly. Yes, the dreaded kennel cough! Do to our circumstances at the time, my dogs had not received a kennel cough vaccine, but my in-law’s dog had. Within two weeks ALL of the dogs, regardless of vaccination status, had contracted kennel cough (laboratory confirmed). My dogs had not been in contact with any other dogs and are generally kept in our yard so outside contraction of the disease was unlikely.

    We contacted the rescue as soon as we confirmed that kennel cough was the culprit. We were informed that that could not be the case because the foster dog had been given the kennel cough injection the morning that she was sent out to us. They also confirmed that there were no other cases of kennel cough at the rescue. The dwindling possibilities of source came down to a vaccine induced illness that afflicted both vaccinated and non-vaccinated dogs alike. So after this experience, I decided to do better by my children and research before injecting. Turns out the the American Veterinary Association now recommends that animal vaccines be given on extremities (particularly feline) because of the huge number of cancers that occur at the injection site over time. Injecting on the extremity facilitates amputation of the cancerous limb when tumors appear.

    Living in the UK, my small town GP is not a vaccine fanatic and was quite supportive of our decision not to vaccinate the children. We spoke at length about adverse reactions, research and vaccine failure rates. It turned out that I was the one educating the good doc about the world of vaccines. In the course of the full GP qualification, not even a full term, only a module was dedicated to vaccines and another module on pharmacology. In the doctors own words, the education was more preaching than anything else as question were not entertained and the establishment position was more or less lectured as fact and no time was given to any discussion of adverse reactions except immediate anaphylactic shock and minor swellings and irritation. That is when I realized that the only way to make an informed decisions was to inform myself. In most situations, the best intentioned health ‘professionals’ are limited by their own training and are not able to be objective outside the paradigm within which they are taught to operate.

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  25. Steve Michaels
    August 17, 2012 at 3:38 am

    And a thank you to Putin for pointing out the fallacies and contradictions in the polio rhetoric.

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  26. August 17, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Steve, all the epidemics that vaxheads claime to have erradicated or under control started by including lots of similar illnesses in bulk under the same name (all pustular diseases were “smallpox”, all rash diseases were “measles”, all flaccid paralyses were “polio”, all violent coughs were “pertussis”).

    Then, before “erradication” starts they postulate a single cause (virola, poliovirus, orthopox…) thereby opening the way to a more restrictive redefinition of the diseases that gave name to the epidemic..

    Later on, serological “confirmation” tests are designed that allow to ignore the bulk of the initial conditions that previously had defined the disease. The “erradication” phase (actually just a redefinition) begins.

    Stricter confirmation requirements start being imposed, leaving out more and more conditions that were once part of the original epidemic until only their selective choice is left…
    …and voila! “mission accomplished!”.

    However, whle “mission accomplished” is is being claimed the range of diseases that were included in the original epidemic still exist, but are systematically ignored because they no longer are “the real disease”. Kids still suffer them though, only they’re called by other names while th vaxheads claim success.

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  27. August 17, 2012 at 10:23 am

    @thomas. Is it just me or do you believe that the training providers receive in order to become physicians may perhaps prepare them to evaluate the effectiveness and safety of vaccines more effectively than simple online research that say a layperson might conduct on the internet 🙂

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  28. August 17, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Amy Pisani :
    @thomas. Is it just me or do you believe that the training providers receive in order to become physicians may perhaps prepare them to evaluate the effectiveness and safety of vaccines more effectively than simple online research that say a layperson might conduct on the internet

    The bulk of refusers are not laypersons but educated high-scool parents.

    But making that observation proves you’re a layperson yourself.

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  29. Thomas
    August 17, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    @Steve

    That’s a great story and way to be pro active with regards to your children. Do you have a favorite web site or blog that you get your research from? I’d like to check it out.

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  30. Steve Michaels
    August 18, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    Amy Pisani :
    @thomas. Is it just me or do you believe that the training providers receive in order to become physicians may perhaps prepare them to evaluate the effectiveness and safety of vaccines more effectively than simple online research that say a layperson might conduct on the internet

    Amy, unless a doctor in training has a specific interest in pursuing vaccinology or pharmacology, the training is minimal. In the event that the wish to pursue those avenues, the training is still limited to the allopathic paradigm that has been created since the 1950’s. Holistic approaches to medicine are completely ignored in the modern paradigm and every facet of health is studied through a microcosmic lens. Risk of cancer? Look for a gene. Have an infection? Prescribe a broad spectrum antibiotic. These are just to name two examples. In a holistic view, lifestyle, nutrition, environmental factors amongst others all play a role in overall health. What does the cancer industry give us? 2 in 3 expected to get cancer and no cures in sight (at least from the pharma model as there are cures available elsewhere). Broad spectrum antibiotic treatments? Cdiff and MRSA and other ‘superbugs’ are the result of the massive overuse of this tool.

    And please don’t use the condescending ‘layperson’ label. In a world of free thought, credentials are used to stifle debate by pretending that only a ‘trained’ person can think for themselves. Quite ironic actually, since the training of doctors in particular pushes conformity to ‘accepted norms’ as opposed to independent thought. The manner in which you use the label ‘layperson’ implies an ad hominem attack to discredit my statement by discrediting me. In the process you have only posed a question and an attack. Smells of CNN or Fox really….

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  31. Steve Michaels
    August 18, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Thomas :
    @Steve
    That’s a great story and way to be pro active with regards to your children. Do you have a favorite web site or blog that you get your research from? I’d like to check it out.

    I have searched various health and organic living related sites as well as NIH, CDC, MedLine, PubMed and PloS. As far as any recommendations, I can only say that you need to look for yourself. Many of the ones I have used are attacked as having a ‘profit motive’ because they sell things from their sites. It is an interesting claim because virtually all of the research journals which publish findings receive the lion’s share of their money from the pharmaceutical industry either directly through payments or indirectly through advertising revenue, and the last time I looked, the pharmaceutical industry, when combined with the closely related medical products and equipment sector, was the MOST profitable industry in America! Pharma alone had PROFITS of $432,122,600,000 (and that’s just the top ten). I don’t think ANY website or even group of websites that sell non-pharma related health products have that kind of command of the market. And last time I looked, no other non-pharma related health products were being recommended/mandated by the government. In fact, when this tired attack is levied, it is important to consider that none of the sites that I have used in any way require purchases of anything for the information they provide. As someone once said, when the purchase of any product or service is to be mandated by legislatures, the first things to be bought are the legislators. On that note, the pharma industry is consistently in the top 10 of industries giving to BOTH sides of every election.

    As far as recommendations go, I can only say that if they don’t refer to research and are only opining, then question them rigorously and ALWAYS go to the original research if possible and draw your own conclusions. For example, I have researched extensively on thimerasol. I have found MANY studies that name ‘safety’ in the title of the research paper, but NEVER assess safety at any point in the research itself. Another good source (again with related research) is the foreign press, particularly Pakistani and Indian. Those two countries have been focal points of vaccine experimentation and many severe adverse reactions and deaths are reported in their media and ignored in the US. I hope that helps.

    http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2011/industries/21/index.html

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  32. Steve Michaels
    August 18, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    <blockquote
    My guess is that because that is the focus of other groups, and although essential to these areas, sanitation and water projects cannot save lives anywhere near as quickly and cost effectively as vaccines. Children do not need to die from polio while the country builds an infrastructure.

    Telling my age a bit, when I was growing up in the late 60’s and 70’s, we always gave money EVERY week at my church for projects to build sanitation and fresh water for third world nations. The amount of money raised for these causes has long since been enough to establish clean water and sanitation throughout the world, yet it doesn’t seem to happen. Why?

    <blockquote
    And also because your “victims of chronic illness with their poisons” line is baloney.
    And wait a second… your first report indicates seven cases of VAPP, and your second says 47,000? Oh wait, I see the problem, your second link is about non-polio paralysis, not vaccine-associated paralysis, and is from Natural News who wants everyone to believe that all non-polio paralysis is caused by the polio vaccine because they are a tabloid for alt-med conspiracy junkies.

    Why is my ‘line’ baloney”? Numbers of vaccination are at all time highs, chronic illnesses among the young are at all time highs, levels of prescribed drugs for chronic illnesses are at all time highs. There is research linking these trends to vaccinations. You ignore it. So let’s hear your alternative then….

    As far as your points about VAPP and VRP, putinreloaded has succinctly stated what I have previously pointed out; disease definitions conveniently are rewritten to accommodate the ‘vaccines save us’ narrative. Tell the 47,000 paralyzed children who all received the polio vaccine that ‘at least they didn’t get polio’ because the clinical determinations allow for changing the diagnosis and I think you may run into a brick wall. Remember how the great ‘pandemic’ of swine flu panned out? Turned out that 90+% of ‘clinically’ diagnosed swine flu cases were NOT swine flu upon laboratory testing….. When you start splitting hairs based on ‘clinical’ diagnoses, you lose all credibility since only laboratory confirmation can give conclusive results. Virtually all VAPP, VRP and polio cases were ‘clinically; diagnosed, but the paralysis is the same in all of them. Short of a laboratory confirmation, your objection falls flat.

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  33. ella
    August 22, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    Chris,
    I wouldn’t donate food that I thought might be contaminated with salmonella. Would you? That would be a tough ethical call, is it better to eat food that will cause possibly fatal food poisoning, or have no food to eat at all and eventually starve to death? I personally have a lot of doubts about the safety of even the DTaP and the IPV, based on many reports of adverse events associated with them, even though they are considered to be safer than the DPT and the OPV. I know the DPT is more effective at preventing pertussis, but there’s another moral conundrum. It was taken off the market because of its high rate of brain injury and death, but it prevented pertussis a lot better. Is it better to try to prevent a disease that is very rarely dangerous for those older than four or five months by using the DPT that will kill or brain damage a lot of them, or better to use the DTaP which allows a huge percentage of vaccinated people to get no immunity and go around spreading the disease to newborns (the only group I worry about).
    Since this is too much moral complexity for me, I think that if I had the time and money, I’d try to provide naturopathic and homeopathic remedies for the sick children. Also food, and I’d try to implement ways they could grow their own food, and I’d preach the virtues of birth control and provide the means to use it, to try to prevent massacres like the Rwanda tragedy that occurred twenty years ago. It was, caused, according to Jared Diamond in his book Collapse, by there only being at that time a twentieth of an acre of land left to feed one person, down from several acres per person only a generation before. Too few resources to feed oceans of people.

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  34. August 22, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    @ella – so you’d provide a bunch of herbs & water to sick children.

    Providing no cure over an imperfect cure is a crime & you should know that. You also should know that when parent’s know their children won’t die before adulthood from easily preventable diseases, that they have fewer children & combined with birth control, results in more sustainable growth and more prosperous societies – vaccines are a huge part of that.

    I still can’t believe you are pushing “magic” water as a cure…..who’s clueless here?

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  35. ella
    August 22, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Chris,
    Scarlet fever was one of the four big killers of children in the late nineteenth century, along with measles, diphtheria, and whooping cough. it’s an often more severe variant of strep throat, causing a dense red rash of fine spots primarily in the groin and armpits. The cheeks are red, but a triangle around the mouth remains pale. A white coating develops on the tongue, but it comes off by day 3, leaving a bright red surface on the tongue. These symptoms are not usually apparent in modern cases of strep throat. Strep throat is still with us, but scarlet fever has mysteriously disappeared, went the way English sweating sickness did, without any widespread use of a vaccine. There was some use of a scarlet fever vaccine around 1911, but problems with it prevented it from being used much and it was discontinued.. If it had worked well enough to be put on the schedule, it would have been. The fact that antibiotics can be used to treat it would not have prevented it from being put on the schedule if it could have been. Also, incidence and death rates for all four of these big killers had plummeted before the use of vaccines to attempt to prevent them: the fall in their incidence and virulence was due both to natural cycles specific to the diseases and to there being less crowding in most homes. It wouldn’t have been improved sanitation, as these are all respiratory diseases spread by coughing and sneezing rather than by unclean water, as would be the case for cholera or typhoid.

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  36. Chris
    August 22, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Scarlet fever is caused by the strep bacteria. If you treat the bacterial infection with antibiotics then you don’t get the severe symptoms. Read this:

    Scarlet fever was once a very serious childhood disease, but now is easily treatable. It is caused by the streptococcal bacteria, which produce a toxin that leads to the hallmark red rash of the illness. The main risk factor is infection with the bacteria that causes strep throat. A history of strep throat or scarlet fever in the community, neighborhood, or school may increase the risk of infection.

    And any parent who has dealt with strep throat knows that getting once does not prevent a child from getting it again. We had a spring where the kids continually got strep throat more than once. You cannot get immunity from the strep infection, how can you create a vaccine to make a person immune? That is why there is no vaccine for Scarlet Fever or strep throat.

    As I have pointed out several times, only death rates went down before vaccines. Incidence did not. The introduction of the first measles vaccines in 1963 caused the incidence of measles to plummet 90% between 1960 and 1970. That is not part of a natural up and down cycle, that is a clear effect.

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  37. lilady
    August 22, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    @ ella: I’m trying to figure out why you interjected Group A beta-hemolytic Streptococcus infections into this thread…when there is no vaccine developed to protect kids and adults from this bacterial infection:

    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/228936-overview

    Could you possibly stay on topic on this blog?

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  38. August 22, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    @lilady – knowing ella, there is very little reason for her to stay on topic, since she has nothing to add, in actual evidence, regarding her position.

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  39. Chris
    August 22, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    She did it because of how I replied to Mr. Michaels comments above. He was dragging in old arguments, and I linked to threads where he had been corrected several times. I don’t know why she did not just click on the links I provided. Like the one over a year ago where his is told by someone else, yet again, that Scarlet Fever is an untreated strep infection.

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  40. August 23, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Lawrence :
    @ella – so you’d provide a bunch of herbs & water to sick children.
    Providing no cure over an imperfect cure is a crime &

    Meeeeeeccc! Vaccines are given to healthy kids, not sick. Vaccines can kill or paralyze healthy kids. That is a crime.

    One more fallacy to the vaxheads’ account.

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  41. lilady
    August 23, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Please ignore nasty ignorant thread-derailing troll

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  42. August 24, 2012 at 5:43 am

    @lilady – reading comprehension is definitely not an attribute of the new insane troll – actually, again, I’d be willing to arrange a date between our new resident insane trolls. It sounds like they were made for each other – thought I can easily tell which one would be the dominant member of the relationship. I imagine they could talk to each other for days even about their pet theories.

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  43. August 24, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Chris :
    As I have pointed out several times, only death rates went down before vaccines. Incidence did not.

    Good enough. As mortality rates go down, the risk/benenefit of vaccines goes up. It makes no sense to expose your kids to vaccine risk when its benefits are not there.

    Chris :
    The introduction of the first measles vaccines in 1963 caused the incidence of measles to plummet 90% between 1960 and 1970. That is not part of a natural up and down cycle, that is a clear effect.

    It’s a clear redefinition effect. Together with the vaccines came the lab confirmation tests. Most measls-like diseases were ignored in the statistics since then but not before then!

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