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Your Blog Comments Can Help Save Lives

What if you could save the life of a child just by commenting on a blog post?

Imagine – if you will – that comments were like currency and that for each comment a donation would be made to provide a child with four essential life saving vaccines.

Well, imagine no more, because Shot@Life is making this vision a reality.

Tomorrow, when Shot@Life launches Blogust, they will begin a 31-day “relay” of blog posts.  Each day, for the entire month of August, there will be an inspiring blog post to read from a variety of the most influential mom and dad bloggers.  Each of these top online voices will write about someone who has given them support or ignited their sense of community.  At the end of each post, there will be a link to the next post in the relay.

But here’s the amazing part. 

For each unique comment on these 31 posts, a $20 donation will be made to Shot@Life.  And that $20 will then immunize a child with four essential life-saving vaccines.

Comments never mattered so much.  And what’s truly inspiring is that you play an important part in this relay because your comments will have a direct impact on the lives of mothers, fathers and children all across the world.  Imagine being able to raise $620 for Shot@Life just by sharing your thoughts on 31 different blog posts.  That’s 31 lives that you can save in one month.

But why stop there?

Share the Blogust posts with your friends, family and Facebook pages to encourage others to comment as well.  Be sure to check on the Blogust schedule so you can be a part of the change.  And let us know what inspires you to help provide life-saving vaccines to children in developing nations.

  1. July 31, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    I’m happy that I’m the first comment to provide a donation to Shot @ Life! It’s a well-deserved organization that protects children worldwide by providing life-saving vaccines where they are most needed. If promoting a healthy world was always this easy!

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  2. MzWillie Brooklyn
    July 31, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    AWARENESS IS PREVENTIVE MEDICINE. *GET THE BABIES VACCINATED* ❤

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  3. Kelly
    July 31, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    What a great idea!

    I always hope that I’m saving lives by providing the accurate information that counters the misinformation, misconception and logical fallacies of anti-vaxers. Now I know I am!

    Looking forward to reading and commenting on all the posts in the relay.

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  4. Shannon
    July 31, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    What a wonderful idea! Glad to participate.

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  5. July 31, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    our group is particpating at our office, and I’m proud to post to help other kids avoid these horrible diseases too!

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  6. July 31, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Sounds like a cowardly tactic to censor out unwanted opinions or conflicting information. Will someone be providing evidence of each of these donations? Who is making the donations? Why isn’t this information provided in this announcement?

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  7. Amber
    July 31, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    I agree with Kellie, I wanna see this process actually working. But regardless no one needs to donate for these vaccines except the Big Pharm who is proffiting over 1 billion a year for each new vaccine that is produced, hmm… now why do we think the HPV, H1N1, Whooping cough epidemic and all those vaccines just magically became available along with it’s very own commercial and sad story of the alternative (which is a complete hoax) Do your research before you just let your emotions dictate what you do. People are blind blind blind.

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  8. novalox
    July 31, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    @amber, kellie

    Going for the old pharma shill gambit again?

    Besides, where are your citations?

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  9. Courtney
    July 31, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    The truth regarding vaccines is seeping out faster than ever making parents more aware of the DANGERS they bring to children. To me, the creation of this blog is a pathetic way to turn people into sheep. If you do vaccinate, so be it, but at least make sure you’ve done your own research. The worst thing you can do to your child is go in blindly because the doctor gives it a “two thumbs up” or some random blogger tells you they work. Doctors can be a great help but they are trained to push vaccines without even knowing what’s in them or what the side effects are. It is YOUR job to protect your child–educate yourself and then decide.

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  10. Lawrence
    July 31, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    @novalox – I always find it funny that the biggest complaint is that Pharmaceutical companies make a “profit” which is kind of the point of a any company out there, but god forbid we criticize people like Mercola or Null, who make a profit on their quack cures and treatments……

    They also seem to leave out the hundreds of millions of dollars that are spent on drugs and treatments that never get through testing. For every one drug that makes it to market, anywhere from 100 to 1000 drugs never do – all of which are paid for, not by us, but by the companies developing them.

    I mean, Viagra may be viewed as a big waste of money, but its success has allowed for the development of many other, less profitable & orphan treatments, that otherwise would have never been brought to market.

    So, I guess in the anti-vax mind, Capitalism is bad – unless it is Good….or something like that.

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  11. Lawrence
    July 31, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    @Courtney – if you actually spoke to your pediatrician, had a relationship with them, and were open and honest with them, I’d think you’ll find that they are people just like us & wanting to do the best for our children.

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  12. mommaraechel@gmail.com
    July 31, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    You couldn’t pay me a million dollars to vaccinate myself or my children! Pay people to leave positive feedback? I hope all parents at least read the ingredient list provided by the CDC before they vaccinate.

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  13. lilady
    July 31, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Kellie Bischof is spamming her book which is full of misinformation about vaccines. And, she’s “worried” about the donations to shotofprevention.com???

    Underhanded marketing tactic Kellie. Why don’t you spam all the anti-vaccine blogs…they’re your audience.

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  14. Lara Lohne
    July 31, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    mommaraechel@gmail.com :
    Pay people to leave positive feedback? I hope all parents at least read the ingredient list provided by the CDC before they vaccinate.

    I don’t believe that was any mention of ‘positive feedback’. Just an original comment. That is probably to keep people from copy/pasting the same comment each and ever day. (Oh, also, I’m pretty sure nobody is getting paid, but whoever will be administering the vaccines that these funds are raised for.)

    Perhaps, Christina, that point would need some clarification; if anti-vaxers comment also, nay-saying vaccines, will their comments also contribute to this fund raising effort? I think if that is the case, it would be the first time I’d welcome each and every single anti-vaxer to comment every day! Between them, they may be able to raise a couple thousand dollars to get some children vaccinated!

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  15. July 31, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Cases of pertusis in Ca 2 years ago resulting in 9 infant deaths and tens of thousands of cases; over 1300% (yes %) increase in pertusis in Wa state this year…the connection is both of these states have high percentages of families that don’t vaccinate…putting their community at risk…. infants who are too young to be vaccinated and adults making this choice leading to these dramatic numbers…numbers in Wa state this year are worse than before the vaccine was developed!!

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  16. novalox
    July 31, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    @mommaraechel

    Have you actually heard of “The dose is the poison?”

    Tell me how much is in a vaccine, and then tell me the L-D ratio.

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  17. Lara Lohne
    July 31, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    @amy hardin

    I had pertussis when I was 17. It was awful to go through and left me with permanently damaged lungs. I don’t ever want to go through that again, nor do I want to see anyone else suffer through it, particularly my own children. All my children are vaccinated for it and I had my booster just 2 years ago. I should look into when I’d need another just to make sure i keep myself and everyone around me as well protected as I can.

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  18. Lawrence
    July 31, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Wonderful. Even the anti-vaccine comments will lead to a donation for vaccines…..what a conundrum!!!!

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  19. Kelly
    July 31, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    I think it’s great that the comments from the anti-vax trolls will also lead to more people getting vaccinated.

    And why do they always tell us to educate ourselves while being uneducated themselves? Why don’t they follow their own advice instead of just repeating the same misinformation, misconceptions and logical fallacies? Although I must admit the conspiracy theories are my absolute favorite. Nothing like identifying yourself as an anti-vax wacko by spewing forth conspiracy theory like the pharma shill gambit. Why would I take these wackos seriously when they can’t even think rationally?

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  20. Christine Vara
    August 1, 2012 at 10:24 am

    It appears that I may need to provide some clarification. The Blogust relay that I discussed in the post above begins today, August 1st. You must comment on the posts that are scheduled in the relay for the donations to be made to Shot@Life. I have provided links in my blog post above that can direct readers to the Shot@Life website for more information, as well as a link to the the specific Blogust relay schedule.

    The first blog post in the relay has been posted at http://uppercasewoman.com/ and it’s entitled “Why Comments Matter”. You may go there today (or any day in August) and post a comment that will count towards a $20 donation to Shot@Life, who will then use the funds to improve global vaccine access in developing countries.

    And yes, anti-vax comments will result in a donation as well. 🙂

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  21. Amber
    August 1, 2012 at 11:29 am

    This is a genius scheme to get lots of pro vaccine people talking and talking up vaccines. The idea to throw out the anti vax comment by saying they will donate $20 to the cause for EVERY comment is even more genius.
    Hey, Christine, prove it!! Show me that my two comments donated $40 to someone getting vaccinated and Ill believe you.
    Hell, show me that over $400 has been donated so far for the current comments.
    Funny that the drones who listen to their MD and the Pharma co. are the ones who just buy into this and believe it! But hey, when you’re dealing with mindless, ignorance why wouldn’t you try to get people going on such a controversial topic to up your sites ratings, I give you kudos for that!!
    If you are anti vaccine I say post away, until they prove it then they’re just trying to keep our truth and good information from the public who is sadly convinced they’re a good thing.
    As for the vaccine companies funding their testing, try again wise one. They get grants for those tests, and do you really think that they are failing very many at all? They let the HPV vaccine out and on the schedule for girls AND boys before proper testing was done, Over 68 UK girls DIED during the short testing for this vaccine, and over 10 in the US but it never made media, only place media was found on these deaths was Asia!!! They even try to link it to STD. Of all of them the Guardasil vaccine is the most ridiculous, outlandish idea of immunizing against this “cancer”. Not to mention that the fund for parents with vaccine injured children is BANKRUPT (fund was 3 billion), how could they pay off a parent who’s child was injured or died from a vaccine if they work, let alone have a fund of that size Bankrupt?!! Just watch Indiana Rep Dan Burton on his grandson who is vaccine injured and his msg about the Statute of Limitations that wasn’t in the original draft.But once they got your attention they’ll come up with anything and you will just believe it.

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  22. ella
    August 1, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Lawrence,

    Did you read the letter to Dr. Asshat on Thinking Moms Revolution (widely reprinted elsewhere)? That jerk assured the mom the MMR was perfectly safe, it then caused the boy’s autism, and it turned out the doctor’s daughter had developed autism after she got the MMR, and the doctor did not see fit to tell the mom that before she made her decision. And then he criticized the GFCF diet, and tried to keep the mom from trying it to deal with the son’s chronic diarrhea (the diet helped him a lot, but the clueless doctor didn’t take the problem seriously, and just said it would be a barrier to his fitting into his peer group). My daughter’s doctor tried to keep us from trying the GFCF diet for her chronic constipation (the other side of the same coin), saying she worried about nutritional deficiencies, but the only thing she could offer to treat my daughter’s horrible constipation was Miralax twice a day rather than once (which did nothing for her). We went on the diet anyway, using the book Welcoming Kitchen, GFCF for vegetarians, and within two days her constipation was completely gone!

    Doctors are completely blindsided by the vaccine-induced autism epidemic, are keeping their heads down, spouting the party line thoughtlessly, and are doing much more harm than good. Anyone who trusts them does so at their peril.

    We who comment against vaccines here and against the medical establishment are legion, and our numbers are growing every day. And not too soon. An article today revealed that Montgomery County, Maryland, had 266 children with autism in the year 2000, and 1,642 in the year 2010.

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  23. Kelly
    August 1, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Ella, as you have been told before, the MMR doesn’t cause autism. Sounds like that doctor gave this parent sound medical advice and she thanks him by calling him “dr. Asshat”. How lovely. What a great example of the arrogance of ignorance displayed by anti-vaxers. Why would we bother with someone who is so angry, arrogant, ignorant and disrespectful? I prefer to take medical advice from people who know what they are talking about and not someone who obviously has no clue and ironically calls herself a ‘thinking mom”.

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  24. ella
    August 1, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Amy,
    There have been nine infant deaths from pertussis so far this year, as well as in 2010 in California. About half the states this year are having outbreaks of pertussis, but it’s because the vaccine isn’t very effective, while being dangerous and causing autism, allergies, asthma, seizure disorders, and SIDS. You’re right, infants don’t develop resistance when they’re vaccinated in their first months, but since the vaccine is dangerous and ineffective, even fully vaccinated people might give the disease to infants. Maybe we should promote quarantine at home for young infants instead of damaging everyone with a dangerous, ineffective vaccine. Maybe the government could pay women who have had the natural disease pertussis and have long-lasting immunity to care for infants at home if their parents have to work.

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  25. ella
    August 1, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Kelly,
    You have been told before that there are hundreds of thousands of autistic children with bowel disease whose parents swear that they were completely normal until they got the MMR and almost immediately regressed into a state of disease. It is very, very easy to access their stories, and anyone who says Oh, this parent is lying, this parent is crazy, again does so at their peril. I guess you saw the Antonio Bocca story? The little boy in Italy who got autism from the MMR, and whose parents proved their case to the judge’s satisfaction. He’s just one of the cohort of many thousands of MMR damaged children. How can you say No, he didn’t. I know better than the judge, better than Drs. Wakefield, Walker-Smith, and Murch? I know for a fact that the MMR does not cause autism, even though countless parents and a few doctors swear that it did in their children. If you throw a rock and it breaks a window, even if all the king’s men swear that it didn’t, most people would say that it did.

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  26. August 1, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    @Amber.
    1. The Vaccine fund is bankrupt? Prove it. Neither the UK or US versions are bankrupt, but if you have proof, I’m sure we’d all be willing to read about this surprising news.
    2. 68 girls died from the HPV vaccine in the UK? Prove it. And please, don’t use anything but a peer-reviewed journal, not a random website that gives us junk news. OK?
    3. Please provide a scientific journal study that shows that the HPV vaccine does not prevent cervical cancer. I mean, if you’re going to make such an assertion, you really need to provide proof.

    Thanks for participating.

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  27. Michael Simpson
    August 1, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Five infants die this year from whooping cough in the UK. I think that’s enough evidence that we should be vaccinating.

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  28. Kelly
    August 1, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Ella, you are once again fabricating information. The pertussis vaccine doesn’t cause SIDS, autism etc. You have been provided with scientific evidence that show your assertions to be falsehoods numerous times. The logical fallacy post hoc propter ergo hoc has been explained to you repeatedly. Just because parents believe something doesn’t make it true.

    You even invented a new identity for yourself to dissociate yourself from being the lying cia parker. However, you keep repeating the same lies over and over again. There isn’t legions of anti-vaxers on this blog. There are just a few and their numerous socks. You have posted here as cia parker, liz allen and now Ella.

    So you just keep revealing yourself to be a liar “Ella” because it really does help when people learn that all anti-vaxers do is lie.

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  29. ella
    August 1, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Kelly,

    The mom asked Dr. Asshat if he thought the MMR was safe. If the doctor had been honest and concerned, wouldn’t he have mentioned that his own daughter got autism shortly after getting the MMR? Even if he didn’t himself believe there was a connection (it’s hard to know how the minds of those who promote vaccines work), wouldn’t he realize that it was a piece of information that any mother would consider relevant in making her decision whether to get the vax for her child? Concealing the facts looks as though he were just anxious to get his bonus for a completely vaccinated patient base, as well as his fee. I don’t know what year that mother’s child wound up getting the MMR, it’s hard for me to believe that any mother in at least the last ten years wouldn’t have had serious misgivings about it. I refused it for my daughter in 2001. It’s hard for me to believe that this mother would have taken the doctor’s word that he believed it to be safe and given her consent to give it to her son. But apparently a lot of parents still are, and they have every right to be infuriated if the doctor conceals relevant information, and then the child is damaged, as he was. Although they should also be filled with guilt and remorse at having been so stupid.

    Emotions will always run high when children are irreparably damaged by doctors, I don’t think you can fault the mother for that.

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  30. Sammy
    August 1, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    @ Kelly (Ella)

    What else are they not telling you?

    I took a close look at the Sanofi Pasteur DTaP vaccine (Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed) which is licensed by the FDA as the primary series in infants and children.

    I was astonished to discover that Autism and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) are listed as ‘adverse events reported during post-approval use.’ ‘Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting.’

    The CDC, the FDA, Paul Offit and every public health flunky swear up and down the aisle that vaccines are perfectly safe and don’t cause autism or SIDS. Yet those conditions are listed on the DTaP package insert with the statement that they are included because such vaccine adverse reactions are serious and frequent.

    (Package Insert From FDA)

    Diphtheria Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine Tripedia®

    Page 11
    ‘Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, AUTISM, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting.’)

    (Who would get this injected with those risks! Ha not me!)

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  31. Kelly
    August 1, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Ella, the doctor wasn’t concerned because there is no link between the MMR and autism. Just because you lie to people all the time, doesn’t mean others should too.

    Sammy, learn how to read the package insert and quit cherry-picking the parts that you think are damning while leaving out the paragraph after the part you quoted which states that list does not mean causation. Read the Simpsonwood transcripts in their entirety too and not just the cherry-picked parts. You’ll find that Sammy has taken quotes out of context to mislead you. Hardly a behind the scenes conspiracy when the whole transcript is available to all.

    Two ladies that are both anti-vax and both have no problems lying to people. Are you ladies so deluded that you think people are going to risk their children’s health on the advice of people caught lying?

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  32. Lara Lohne
    August 1, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Ella,

    I had pertussis when I was 17. Two years ago I was given a Tdap booster (even though I hadn’t ever had the original series before) because my titers for pertussis were non-existent. Where is the lasting immunity to pertussis you speak of? People who have suffered through pertussis and lived can be vulnerable to get the infection again (caused by bacteria by the way, not a virus) within 4 years because that is the nature of a bacterial infection. And more often then not the additional round of the disease will be much more severe then the first one was. I honestly wished I could die when I was living through that. It was agony and an nightmare and never wish to go through it again.

    Your claims have no credence, there is no research done that can establish any link between vaccines and the diseases you have listed. In fact long term research on vaccines have shown the opposite of what you are suggesting. People who don’t suffer through these diseases are healthier, because they don’t get damaged by the diseases. I myself have lasting damage from pertussis and my lungs have never been, nor will they ever be, the same as they were prior to suffering through it. I know my story is anecdotal, but the difference between my story and others from the anti-vaccine activists is that mine has science and research to stand behind. What you have behind yours is paranoia, suspicion and some pretty outlandish conspiracy theories.

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  33. Sammy
    August 1, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Im not the one lying & showing one sided information here am I!

    Im only showing factual evidence & major risks concerns!

    Too many reports of irreversible damage to babies health so of cause i am alarmed & concerned!

    Honestly Re-educate ….& Opt-Out until you know more!

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  34. Sammy
  35. Sammy
    August 1, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    The Health Hazards of Disease Prevention – Lucija Tomljenovic, PhD

    You can read Dr. Tomlijenovic’s full 45-page paper on vaccine corruption here:

    http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf

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  36. Lara Lohne
    August 1, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Sammy,

    I thought you might want to correct your misinformation regarding thimerosal as being methymercury (an industrial waste product). In reality it is ethylmercury that is a metabolite in thimerosal and is a completely different and far less toxic substance and has a significantly shorter half life then methylmercury. Honestly, You are exposed to more mercury in a can of tuna then you would ever be exposed to from the entire vaccine series, even if they still used thimerosal in vaccines, which they haven’t for a decade and some never contained it to begin with. Seeing as how the ‘offensive’ ingredient has been removed and autism rates continued to climb, you providing this information is moot. It is out dated at best and completely irrelevant at worst. Especially considering how you only included information that suits you and quotes have been twisted to support your point of view.

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  37. novalox
    August 1, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    @sammy

    I call crank BINGO!

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  38. Michael Simpson
    August 1, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    I think that anyone who uses Natural News as their proof source ought to be have to write “I will learn to do real research” on the blackboard 1000 times.

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  39. Chris
    August 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Sammy:

    Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc.

    Using AAPS for information is also a warrants laughter, since they more a political group than a medical one.

    They claim they are all for “freedom”, except if you are a woman. Plus they support those who claim to cure autism through chemical castration (Geiers), and others who are willing to let baby killers off by blaming vaccines (Yazbak, Buttram, etc). Oh, and there is lots more.

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  40. novalox
    August 1, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    @Chris

    Well, what do you expect from lying sammy and her ilk.

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  41. Lawrence
    August 1, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    @novalox – lots and lots of CAPITAL LETTERS and EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!! obviously, right????

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  42. Chris
    August 1, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    I have read the first blog of Blogust, and discovered an additional bonus of checking out this link; meeting some very interesting bloggers.

    Thanks Christine!

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  43. August 1, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    You are exposed to more mercury in a can of tuna then you would ever be exposed to from the entire vaccine series,

    You pretend the pharmacokinetics of digestion are the same as thos of injection?

    Then go inject some tuna in your bloodstream and then come back to us 😀

    Liar!

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  44. novalox
    August 1, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Another fallacious analogy and insult from putin, how predictable.

    @Chris

    Yeah, I put up a post on the first blog, Uppercase Woman. It may not be much, but the money can go a long way towards helping another child.

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  45. August 1, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    novalox, you can drink a glass of rattlesnake venom unharmed, no go inject yourself with 1mg.

    The comparison of Thimerosal in the vein with tuna on the plate is as stupid as stupid comes! But such is the nature of the vaccine cult followers!

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  46. novalox
    August 1, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Yawn, another false analogy from putin, been there, seen that, come up with some new material, troll.

    BTW, nice conspiracy thinking at your blog, had a good laugh at you for that.

    @Lawrence

    Example: all of precious little putin’s posts.

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  47. August 1, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    novalox :
    Yawn, another false analogy from putin, been there, seen that,

    You debunk everything with whines, champion!

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  48. Amber
    August 1, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    Michael Simpson, I love how your comment after the one demanding proof from me is from a blog post!! But that is proof for you? How cute!!!
    And I accept your challenge!!!

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  49. novalox
    August 1, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Yawn, another lie and whine from putin, how utterly unsurprising.

    But it looks like I have a new plaything, precious little putin,

    @amber

    You made the assertion, it is up to you to provide the proof. So let us see, it, so we can see the validity of your claim.

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  50. August 1, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    novalox :
    Yawn, another lie and whine from putin, how utterly unsurprising.
    But it looks like I have a new plaything, precious little putin,
    @amber
    You made the assertion, it is up to you to provide the proof. So let us see, it, so we can see the validity of your claim.

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  51. August 1, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    novalox, I didn’t make the assertion that tuna in the plate is more dangerous than Thimerosal in the vein.

    It was another braindead vax-culter by the nick of Lara.

    Address your whines to her!

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  52. August 1, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    Som much Thimerosal has fucked you all up, vax-culters! 😀 😀

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  53. Michael Simpson
    August 1, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Amber, excellent use of an ad hominem. Do you realize that the use of logical fallacies results from the lack of evidence.

    But to play your game, my blog is written with real sources. Why? Because I have advanced degrees in sciences, and I have experience in using scientific sources to support any statement. Thank you for noticing though. Every click improves my google ranking, so that scientific support of vaccinations will be at the top of searches, so that people who search for real information get real science. Appreciate your assistance. 🙂

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  54. August 1, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    so that scientific support of vaccinations will be at the top of searches

    My own search for “prior art” on immunisation protection has only led to uncover bad science and fraud.:

    But I’m not the only one… Cochrane Collaboration ( http://www.cochrane.org/ ) has done a good job at bringing pharma manipulation of vaccine studies to public attention:

    Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy adults.

    Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2007;(2):CD001269.

    “… WARNING: This review includes 15 out of 36 trials funded by industry (four had no funding declaration). An earlier systematic review of 274 influenza vaccine studies published up to 2007 found industry funded studies were published in more prestigious journals and cited more than other studies independently from methodological quality and size. Studies funded from public sources were significantly less likely to report conclusions favorable to the vaccines. The review showed that reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin but there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions and spurious notoriety of the studies…”

    Reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin but there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions.

    Beautiful! I can’t wait to visit vaccination Church and “save the lives” of my healthy kids.

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  55. Chris
    August 1, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Putinreloaded:

    novalox, I didn’t make the assertion that tuna in the plate is more dangerous than Thimerosal in the vein.

    Three questions:

    What vaccine is administered intravenously?

    What vaccine on the current American pediatric schedule is only available with thimerosal?

    If thimerosal was so prevalent, why did SafeMinds have trouble getting a DTaP vaccine with thimerosal over ten years ago? See the request:

    Subject: Thimerosal DTaP Needed
    From: Sally Bernard
    Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 00:01:50 -0400
    Yahoo! Message Number: 27456
    http://onibasu.com/archives/am/27456.html

    Hi all:

    A group of university-based researchers needs several vials of the older DTaP vaccine formulations which contained thimerosal for a legitimate research study. If anyone knows an MD who might have some of these vaccines or knows where to get them, please email me privately.

    Thank you.

    Sallie Bernard
    Executive Director
    Safe Minds

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  56. Lara Lohne
    August 1, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    putin,

    1. I did not grow up being vaccinated, no thanks to my mother for that, and I had to live through diseases that shouldn’t have happened in the first place had I been vaccinated. That being the case, I have no thimerosal in my system, or if I did from the one vaccine I received at the age of 16 (MMR which never contained thimerosal) it did me no harm what so ever.

    2. Thimerosal has been removed from vaccines given routinely to children for over a decade, this ‘argument’ is moot and since there has not been a dramatic decline in new cases of autism after it’s removal, that proves how very moot is it.

    3. Your antics are becoming more and more hysterical and it’s amusing how you think my name is a nick. You honestly believe I am just following some party line? You really don’t know anything about me, what I’ve been through or how I came about my decision to vaccinate my children for their health and the health of those around us. Your theories are laughable and you have yet to provide anything that can support your claims.

    I have 6 children. The only one that was not vaccinated on schedule is the one with the autism, not the other way around. And my older 5 children would have received vaccines with thimerosal in them since they were all born in or prior to 1999. Here is the difference between you and I; my own personal experience with VPDs and vaccines and autism and the fact that science is behind those personal experiences. What do you have? A lot of angry words, insults, misinformation and conspiracy theories. Sorry, not gonna buy it, ever. My own experience tells me otherwise and science proves it.

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  57. Jtdubb
    August 1, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    @Michael Simpson

    My daughter was injured by the h1n1 vaccine of 2009. Vaccines are not safe for everybody. Not sure why that is so hard to believe?

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  58. August 1, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    What vaccine on the current American pediatric schedule is only available with thimerosal?

    Are parents routinely given the choice? Then it’s irrelevant. Besides, when Thimerosal was in every vaccine you cult members shut up like well paid whores.

    Thiumerosal was exceeding anything fom 20 to 66 times the safe levels in children that followed the recommended schedule.

    Herold and Golding in “Thimerosal Exposure in Infants and Developmental Disorders: A Prospective Cohort Study in the United Kingdom Does Not Support a Causal Association” have extrapolated toxicity data of ethylmercury from methylmercury (very optimistically) and state:

    “…Guidelines on safe exposure to thimerosal, extrapolated from data on methylmercury, from 0.1 µg/kg/day of the Environmental Protection Agency in the United States to 0.47 µg/kg/day of the World Health Organization.

    Each shot of DPT given at 2,3 and 4 months contained approximately 25 micrograms of mercury, which is 250 times 0.1 microgram.

    In order to calculate the excess mercury dose in the accelerated primary immunization schedule of 2/3/4 months, you need to divide 250 by the weight of the infant in kilograms. These are the results:

    2 months: weight range 3.8-6.4kg: excess dose 40-66 times EPA RfD for mercury

    3 months: weight range 4.5-7.4kg: excess dose 35-56 times EPA RfD for mercury

    4 months: weight range 5.2-8.3kg: excess dose 30-48 times EPA RfD for mercury

    It is impossible to imagine someone deliberately overdosing on a medical product – except to harm themselves – at this level, but this is not a therapeutic substance but a deadly neuro-toxin.

    Furthermore, far from thimerosal being an exceptionally benign format for mercury manufacturers’ safety advice suggests precisely the opposite. I quote from Merck’s current European safety information:

    “…Very toxic by inhalation, in contact with skin and if swallowed. Danger of cumulative effects. Very toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in aquatic environment….”

    A manufacturer’s safety data sheet (MSDS) for thimerosal from Amersham/US Bioscience mentions a long list of symptoms associated with autism:

    “…Chronic ingestion or excessive dosage may cause numbness, tingling of hands, feet, lips, ataxia, painful joints, constriction of visual fields, impaired hearing, emotional disturbances, spastic movements, incontinence, groaning, shouting, dizziness, lacrimation, hypersalivation, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and constipation…”

    Parents of children with autism will recognize these symptoms at once, having to live with most of them. The rest of the readers should take a few minutes and search in Google for autism + each of these symptoms. They will certainly be astonished.

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  59. Kelly
    August 1, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    It’s hard to believe because people like Ella come here and lie about vaccine injuries all the time.

    It is also hard to believe because we just have your word for it, which no offense, doesn’t count for much.

    Vaccine injury does occur but injury from the diseases are much more frequent and more severe. Since we cannot predict who will be injured from vaccines or disease, we must play the odds. The odds are that the disease is much more risky than the vaccines and vaccines offer the best defense against the disease. There are contraindications for vaccines, which is why people should talk with their doctors to determine if a vaccine is right for them.

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  60. August 1, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Vaccine injury does occur but injury from the diseases are much more frequent and more severe.

    1. Vaccine injury affects healthy individuals, which is unethical. Healthy people need not seek invasive treatments.

    2. Vaccine injury remains largely unreported and brushed off, rendering a meaningful risk/benefit analysis impossible.

    3. The industry commits regular fraud regarding the desigh/execution/cincussions of its safety and effectivity studies (if any at all). Again, rendering a meaningful risk/benefit analysis impossible.

    4. Shifts in diagnostic criteria have been systematically introduced with the vaccination campaigns, to make them appear effective. Such practice is openly recommended by the WHO.

    Just some quick points.

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  61. lilady
    August 1, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    @ Kelly: Why do we not believe vaccine injuries? Who could ever forget the multiple posters here, who claimed the exact same vaccine injury…encephalitis…with the exact same detailing of the *course* of the injury (crying, inconsolable and immediately becoming *lost children*)?

    When questioned about which doctor made those diagnoses for these many children and how long the children were hospitalized in the intense care unit…the many parents could not provide details of the children’s vaccine-induced-encephalitis.

    Woud jtdubb care to elaborate on the details of the child’s injury from the H1N1 vaccine and the claim that jtdubb has made for reimbursement, for the child’s vaccine injury?

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  62. Gray Falcon
    August 1, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    [citation needed]

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  63. Lawrence
    August 1, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    I believe this is the same jtdubb who refused to answer the simple questions of:

    1) If his daughter did in fact suffer a vaccine injury, did he file a claim with the Vaccine Court?

    2) If he did not, why?

    Since he refused to answer, I believe him as much as any of you would believe I am Bill Gates, because I’ve provided as much proof as jt has.

    Jtdubb :
    @Michael Simpson
    My daughter was injured by the h1n1 vaccine of 2009. Vaccines are not safe for everybody. Not sure why that is so hard to believe?

    And we’ve never put forth the same “nirvana” fallacy that you claim – there are individuals who should not or can not receive vaccines – and there are very well known and documented actual side-effects from vaccine. These are not denied, because we have proof that they exist & can provide statistics around their occurrence.

    What isn’t actually documented or proven in any way is that vaccines cause autism – or in the case of Gardisil, for example, death.

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  64. Kelly
    August 1, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    putinreloaded on August 1, 2012 at 7:22 pm
    Vaccine injury does occur but injury from the diseases are much more frequent and more severe.

    1. Vaccine injury affects healthy individuals, which is unethical. Healthy people need not seek invasive treatments.

    2. Vaccine injury remains largely unreported and brushed off, rendering a meaningful risk/benefit analysis impossible.

    3. The industry commits regular fraud regarding the desigh/execution/cincussions of its safety and effectivity studies (if any at all). Again, rendering a meaningful risk/benefit analysis impossible.

    4. Shifts in diagnostic criteria have been systematically introduced with the vaccination campaigns, to make them appear effective. Such practice is openly recommended by the WHO.

    Just some quick points.

    1. Vaccines are preventative medicine, not treatment.

    2. Citation needed.

    3. Citation needed.

    4. Others have shown you are lying.

    So your quick points once again demonstrate you are clueless, Putin. Maybe you should think a little harder and support your claims before you time. I know it is so much easier for you to make stuff up but people aren’t going to put their children in harm’s way because of your fantasies and delusions.

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  65. jtubb13
    August 1, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    @Kelly
    The only way we would have known that my duaghter had a predisposition is if we had gene testing done before any vaccinations. I don’t belive injury from vaccinations are less frequent then getting the diseases. That may have been the case a few years ago, but not any more. More and more kids are being born without being able to deplete the toxins in the vaccines and thus causing injuries. Please tell my daughter that vaccine injury is low

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  66. August 1, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Kelly :
    1. Vaccines are preventative medicine, not treatment.

    The objective assessment is: “Vaccines are invasive medical procedures”.

    The adjective “preventive” does not automatically make a procedure actually preventive.

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  67. Kelly
    August 1, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Jtdubb, you just blew your credibility when you claim your daughter is vaccine injured because she lacked the ability to remove the “toxins” from the vaccine.

    The vaccine does not contain toxins. So why don’t we believe you? Because you are obviously lying, just like all the others that have shown up here claiming their children are vaccine injured. As lilady mentioned, once they clarify what the vaccine injury actually is, it turns out the kid isn’t injured at all.

    And just because you believe something doesn’t make it true and it doesn’t make me a bad person for asking for stronger evidence when it comes to my children either. I’m not risking the health of my child based on the false beliefs on some liar on the Internet.

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  68. lilady
    August 1, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    @ jtdubb: You would have to provide a citation from a reputable medical journal about a pre-existing genetic disorder that was impacted by the H1N1 vaccine…or any other vaccine.

    Did you state, that your daughter’s genetic disorder meant that she could not process a toxin that you claim was in the H1N1 vaccine? Why haven’t we heard of this rare genetic disorder…especially since the H1N1 strain of the influenza virus, has been incorporated into the 2010-2011 and 2011-2012 seasonal influenza vaccine, which hundreds of millions of children have received?

    (Citations from any medical journal…desperately needed)

    What is the name of your daughter’s genetic disorder?

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  69. August 1, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Kelly :
    The vaccine does not contain toxins. .

    Post a list of ingredients to prove your claim.

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  70. Gray Falcon
    August 1, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    To give you an idea of how clueless putinreloaded is, here is his logic as to why germ theory is bunk: “If it was real, we should have found the cure to the flu by now!” Apparently, he thinks science is magic.

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  71. novalox
    August 1, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    @putinreloaded

    I just came back from a great dinner and chat with friends and family, and I see that you still have, as utterly expected, resorted to insults.

    Try a little hared, little precious putin, perhaps when I come back, you might have come up with something more original.

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  72. Chris
    August 1, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    jtdubb:

    My daughter was injured by the h1n1 vaccine of 2009.

    In the last thread you claiming that, you were given the links to report the injury. Did you follow through and actually do that?

    jtdubb:

    The only way we would have known that my duaghter had a predisposition is if we had gene testing done before any vaccinations.

    Please tell us what specific gene sequences you would have tested for, with the citations showing they would have made a child susceptible to vaccines. I have a copy of the genetic test for my son’s heart condition, and they list the papers for all of eighteen known sequences for that cause the abnormal heart anatomy.

    He did not have any of them, so that means all of first degree relatives (parents, siblings) will need echocardiograms every few years. If he did have one of the known sequences, the rest of the family would have had the test. Genetic testing is not magic.

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  73. August 1, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    Gray Falcon :
    “If it was real, we should have found the cure to the flu by now!” Apparently, he thinks science is magic.

    What a blunt distortion from the self-appointed guardian of honesty.

    I was contending that the germ theory cannot be the right model for the flu.

    You can’t counterargument that.

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  74. August 1, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    novalox :
    I just came back from a great dinner and chat with friends and family

    Your life is so full of adventure and challenge… that you come here begging recognition of recognition for being able to eat, shit and sleep with other members of your herd.

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  75. novalox
    August 1, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    @putinreloaded

    Yawn, another pathetic insult from you, how utterly unsurprising.

    Considering that the only thing that you can seem to do is to insult other people, precious little putin, perhaps you are a little lonely? You can keep trying to throw your little half-witted insults around, if that is the only way to have companionship for your lonely little life.

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  76. Gray Falcon
    August 1, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    That’s a relief… I left a tag open, and I was worried I bluetexted everything.

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  77. Gray Falcon
    August 1, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Here’s putinrealoaded’s exact argument:

    Also, in a 100 years the germ theory has failed to produce a cure for a single “viral disease”… a rowdy failure!

    He’s either never bothered to be consistent about his beliefs, or he thinks he can lie about something he said on the internet. Either possibility suggest inbreeding.

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  78. August 1, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Gray Falcon :
    He’s either never bothered to be consistent about his beliefs.

    Beliefs? 😀

    http://www.localhealth.com/article/viral-diseases/treatments

    The germ theory has failed to produce a cure for a single “viral disease”.

    Otherwise you´re mentally challenged if you can’t name one.

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  79. jtubb13
    August 1, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    @Kelly

    Really….the vaccine had Thimerosal and Aluminium in it plus a bunch of other ingredients. The mercury and aluminium are what she has the most of and as we have been able to get some of that out she is doing much better. Not really very hard to understand is it?

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  80. jtubb13
    August 1, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    @Chris…not really sure what your point is…yes we had genetic testing done which showed the genes that control the methylation pathways were mutated either from my genetics or form the vaccine(s) itself. This is what you need for your body to detox, if it doesn’t work you aren’t detoxing. If we had the test done and knew that, we wouldn’t have given her any vaccines in the first place.

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  81. August 1, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    jtubb13 :
    The mercury and aluminium are what she has the most of and as we have been able to get some of that out she is doing much better. Not really very hard to understand is it?

    They know it perfectly well… but to become a member of the vax-cult you need to be able sell other people’s children for some papers in your pocket.

    The smartest bigots go full gas posting and reposting the GlaxoSmithKline script here, but they nevertake vacciens themselves or give them to their own kids.

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  82. Chris
    August 1, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    jtdubb:

    yes we had genetic testing done which showed the genes that control the methylation pathways were mutated either from my genetics or form the vaccine(s) itself.

    Citation needed.

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  83. August 1, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Chris :
    jtdubb:

    yes we had genetic testing done which showed the genes that control the methylation pathways were mutated either from my genetics or form the vaccine(s) itself.

    Citation needed.

    A second source:

    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-02/mp-alb020204.php

    A link between thimerosal and the brain: Can vaccines affect central nervous system function?

    “…Though some speculation exists regarding this link, Deth and his colleagues found that exposure to toxins, such as ethanol and heavy metals (including lead, aluminum and the ethylmercury-containing preservative thimerosal) potently interrupt growth factor signaling, causing adverse effects on methylation reactions (i.e. the transfer of carbon atoms). Methylation, in turn, plays a significant role in regulating normal DNA function and gene expression, and is critical to proper neurological development in infants and children. Scientists and practitioners have identified an increase in diagnoses of autism and ADHD in particular, though the reasons why are largely unknown….”

    You go and find the original if you’re genuinely interested (which I very much doubt)

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  84. Chris
    August 1, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    So what, Putin? That does not answer any of the questions. Which vaccine is given intravenously? What vaccine in the American pediatric schedule is only available with thimerosal? And if thimerosal is so common, how come Sallie Bernard of SafeMinds was asking for help to find a vaccine with thimerosal over then years ago?

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  85. Gray Falcon
    August 1, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    putinreloaded :

    The germ theory has failed to produce a cure for a single “viral disease”.
    Otherwise you´re mentally challenged if you can’t name one.

    Could you please fill in the following blank: There must be a cure for viral diseases because _______.

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  86. Chris
    August 1, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    typo: “over then years ago” is supposed to be “over ten years ago.”

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  87. Chris
    August 1, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Putin:

    Each shot of DPT given at 2,3 and 4 months contained approximately 25 micrograms of mercury, which is 250 times 0.1 microgram.

    That vaccine is not on the pediatric schedule in the United States of America.

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  88. August 1, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Chris :
    how come Sallie Bernard of SafeMinds was asking for help to find a vaccine with thimerosal over then years ago?

    This is turning into a soap opera.

    Thiomersal migh have been restricted in the USA, but you pharma whores are still peddling Thimerosal-tainted vaccines in the 3rd world “to save lives”.

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  89. August 1, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Gray Falcon :
    >Could you please fill in the following blank: There must be a cure for viral diseases because _______.

    Because germ theory relies on removing the germ to cure and “infectious disease”, in this cse the germ being a virus,

    and;

    countless antivirals have been tried, and in spite of routinely achieving “undetectable viral loads” not a single “viral disease” has yet being cured.

    Got it, my challenged friend?

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  90. Kelly
    August 1, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Not really hard to understand at all, jtdubbs, so why do you have such a hard time with it?

    The vaccine did not contain mercury or aluminum. Some flu vaccines thimerosal, which is a mercury compound and some contained aluminum salt adjuvants, but not all. Which vaccine did your daughter receive? Further these components are not toxic at the concentration found in the vaccine. So yeah, you are a liar 3X over: 1. Your daughter is vaccine injured, 2. the vaccine contained aluminum and mercury and 3. these fantasy ingredients are toxic.

    So why don’t I believe you? Quite simply because you are a liar.

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  91. Gray Falcon
    August 1, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    putinreloaded :

    Gray Falcon :
    Could you please fill in the following blank: There must be a cure for viral diseases because _______.

    Because germ theory relies on removing the germ to cure and “infectious disease”, in this cse the germ being a virus,
    and;
    countless antivirals have been tried, and in spite of routinely achieving “undetectable viral loads” not a single “viral disease” has yet being cured.
    Got it, my challenged friend?

    So there must be a cure because you say there must be a cure. Do you really think that logic holds? Try again, and no circular logic this time. There must be a cure for any disease because _______.

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  92. August 1, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Kelly :
    Further these components are not toxic at the concentration found in the vaccine.

    There is no study on the cumulative effect of vaccines, and the US childhood immunization schedule requires 26 vaccine doses for infants aged less than 1 year.

    But the correlations are strong enough to raise serious concerns and show the urgency of such study:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

    2011 – Human & Experimental Toxicology

    Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?

    “…The US childhood immunization schedule requires 26 vaccine doses for infants aged less than 1 year, the most in the world, yet 33 nations have better IMRs. Using linear regression, the immunization schedules of these 34 nations were examined and a correlation coefficient of 0.70 (p < 0.0001) was found between IMRs and the number of vaccine doses routinely given to infants….”

    IMR = Infant Mortality Rates

    Can’t be swept for ever under the carpet, cultists!

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  93. August 1, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Gray Falcon :
    So there must be a cure because you say there must be a cure.

    No quite, my challenged opponent,

    Because the virues are being effectively suppressed (undetectable viral loads) but yet the diseases persist.

    A massive falsification of the germ theory of disease, at least for viruses.

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  94. August 1, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    This is what Gray said:

    Gray Falcon :
    For that analogy to be accurate, removing toasters would stop pregnancies. Germ theory is trusted not because of blind faith, but because it works.

    I’ll go down to his level of consciousness and drive home the point:

    In the case of viruses, the “toasters” are being removed, but the pregnancies don’t stop.

    So according to his own standards, Germ theoryhere doesn’t work.

    His own analogy is now biting him in the arse 😀

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  95. Gray Falcon
    August 1, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Putinreloaded, please answer my question. Why do you believe that a cure must exist?

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  96. August 1, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Gray Falcon :
    Putinreloaded, please answer my question. Why do you believe that a cure must exist?

    Because….

    Gray Falcon :
    … removing toasters would stop pregnancies. Germ theory is trusted not because of blind faith, but because it works.

    … the “toasters” are being removed, yet the pregnancies don’t stop.

    So according to your own standards, germ theory for “toasters” doesn’t work.

    I mean viruses 😀

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  97. Gray Falcon
    August 1, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    putinreloaded :
    This is what Gray said:

    Gray Falcon :
    For that analogy to be accurate, removing toasters would stop pregnancies. Germ theory is trusted not because of blind faith, but because it works.

    I’ll go down to his level of consciousness and drive home the point:
    In the case of viruses, the “toasters” are being removed, but the pregnancies don’t stop.
    So according to his own standards, Germ theoryhere doesn’t work.
    His own analogy is now biting him in the arse

    Then prove to me that smallpox still exists. Here’s a hint: It kills 30% of those infected. The deathtoll would be in the hundreds of thousands. Show me where the dead are, liar.

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  98. August 1, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    Gray Falcon :
    Then prove to me that smallpox still exists.

    It does, but sanitation has erradicated many other (incurable) diseases as well.

    But prevention is not the pont, it was the cure. Did smallpox ever had a cure?

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  99. August 1, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    Gray Falcon :
    Here’s a hint: It kills 30% of those infected.

    What is that supposed to prove? You’re oh so irrelevant!

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  100. Gray Falcon
    August 1, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    Putin, do you have any idea

    putinreloaded :

    Gray Falcon :
    Then prove to me that smallpox still exists.

    It does, but sanitation has erradicated many other (incurable) diseases as well.
    But prevention is not the pont, it was the cure. Did smallpox ever had a cure?

    And it just happens to perfectly correlate to whenever the vaccine is introduced. What a beautiful coincidence to happen every single time. Now tell me, why do you think a cure must exist?

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  101. August 1, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Gray Falcon :
    And it just happens to perfectly correlate to whenever the vaccine is introduced. What a beautiful coincidence to happen every single time.

    Coincidence? The diagnostic shifts that accompanied the vaccines were not coincidental.

    I’ve thoroughly documented the purposeful introduction of more restrictive diagnostic criteria for polio and measles together with the vaccine

    I’ve documented how the WHO still toda keeps recommending the same fraudulent diagnostic switches today.

    Only fools believe in coincidences and magical remedies.

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  102. Gray Falcon
    August 1, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    See what I mean. All lies, all the time. Even after being corrected on them repeatedly, Putin still plays them again and again.

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  103. jtubb13
    August 1, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    @Kelly

    What in the world are you talking about? I am passing on my own life experience with my daughter. What…you believe vaccines cause injury but just not to my daughter? I will leave it up to any readers to decide if I am sincere or not….I’m fine either way. As a matter of fact we do know which batch she had so we know exactly what was in the vaccine that injured her. You are in such denial…why?
    @Chris….citation for what exactly?
    You’re just a bunch of haters on here and I don’t know why. In real life I actually have a daughter to take care of and I don’t want the same thing happening to other children….my daughter has been through hell and back and she doesn’t deserve any of it. I feel it is my obligation to pass on this information to others, thus why I posted here. If you don’t believe my story…fine…but don’t call me a liar.

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  104. August 1, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Gray Falcon :
    See what I mean. All lies, all the time.

    Denial, hypocrisy, dishonesty and room temperature IQ. That’s you.

    http://www.cabdirect.org/abstracts/19612704747.html;jsessionid=423213B1C921051E3DB3F09D3F96D04E;jsessionid=F232BFB34E4258CAF8FA26D34CBA7414

    The Present Status of Polio Vaccines.

    Illinois Medical Journal 1960, Sept Vol. 118 No. 3 pp. 19 pp.

    “…Thus, simply by changes in diagnostic criteria, the number of paralytic cases was predetermined to decrease in 1955-1957, WHETHER OR NOT A VACCINE WAS USED . At the same time, the number of nonparalytic cases was bound to increase because any case of poliomyelitis-like disease which could not be classified as paralytic poliomyelitis according to the new criteria was classified as nonparalytic poliomyelitis. Many of these cases, although reported as such, were not non-paralytic poliomyelitis. …”

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  105. Gray Falcon
    August 1, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    Putin: The very next sentence: “Most analyses of killed poliovaceine effectiveness allowing for these factors have showed it to be at least 80% effective.” See what I mean. No concept of honesty.

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  106. novalox
    August 1, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    @Gray Falcon

    Well, what else would you expect from her at this point. Throwing around accusations of lying and slinging around insults at the same time spewing out numerous other lies in her postings.

    Pretty much par for the course for him/her/it.

    But at the same time, it is kind of entertaining to see how much precious little putin attempts to twist his/her/its words.

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  107. August 1, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    Gray Falcon :
    Putin: The very next sentence: “Most analyses of killed poliovaceine effectiveness allowing for these factors have showed it to be at least 80% effective.”

    That note is not in the original, it’s an editor’s note patched between square brackets for the abstract.

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  108. Kelly
    August 1, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    Jtdodds, I call you a liar because you have lied and then have the gall to get all righteous about it when you are caught.

    Why don’t you share what vaccine your daughter actually got so we can verify the ingredients? Why don’t you explain how your daughter became “vaccine injured”?

    You don’t because she isn’t vaccine injured. You just made it up. You lied and it is despicable. Parents need not worry about this happening to their children because nothing has happened to your daughter because of the vaccine. Sorry, but I’m not going to be swayed by a lying liar who lies. Don’t want to be called a liar, then stop lying.

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  109. Gray Falcon
    August 1, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Actually, jtdodds’ big mistake appears to be attributing his child’s improvement to his treatments. For some reason, parents of autistics tend to forget that they improve and develop on their own, and assume any such changes much be due to whatever cure-of-the-week they discovered.

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  110. jtubb13
    August 1, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    @Kelly
    If you know so much you wold know I already told you it was the H1N1 vaccine in fall of 2009. Honestly, are you on a payroll somewhere?? I don’t understand why you are so closed minded and negative. I have not told any lies, everything I have stated is the exact truth. What was I caught in? You are just making stuff up becaue you have nothing to say about it. So you don’t think vaccines have injured people?

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  111. jtubb13
    August 1, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    @Gray…you’re out of your mind as well. I know exactly what is helping my daughter and why…..you don’t know anything about it. You really shouldn’t act like you know what you’re talking about when you know nothing about what we have been doing. Funny…when I have Doctor’s and tests that show results of our actions and you want to say it happens all on it’s own….just cures itself does it?

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  112. Chris
    August 1, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    jtubb13:

    @Chris….citation for what exactly?

    That the particular genetic sequence is associated with a vaccine, like it makes someone susceptible to injury. Here is an example of a citation to one of the genetic sequences that are associated with my son’s genetic heart condition.

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  113. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 12:07 am

    @chris….why do you care about that? There are many genes that contribute, but the main one is the mthfr gene. So what’s the point?

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  114. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 12:07 am

    There were 4 H1N1 vaccines licensed in the US in 2009. Other countries used other vaccines. What one did she get? A liar leaves these details out because it is too easy for the lie to be found out. If you know, then why don’t you say? If she is vaccine injured, why don’t you describe the injury? Is she autistic as Gray Falcon mentioned, because autism is not a vaccine injury.

    You want people to learn from your experience, then why leave out the key details needed to verify your story unless there is no truth to your story. Why don’t I believe you? Because you are a liar. You even lie about not lying and then try to shame people because they can see you for the liar you are. No jtdubbs, the burden of proof is on you and what you have provided so far has turned out to be lies. Why should I believe a liar?

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  115. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 12:20 am

    @Kelly…as I said before, people who read this can decide for themselves if I am sincere or not. I don’t have anything to prove to you. You show no respect or empathy and I don’t care about you. You are meaningless in this existence. Good luck being closed minded and negative. I’m sure you are very happy with yourself.

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  116. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 12:22 am

    This mthfr gene jtubbs13/jtdubbs?

    http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/gene/MTHFR

    This condition is inherited and not caused by vaccines. So yeah, you lied about your daughter being vaccine injured, when she was actually born that way. Why would other parents be concerned about something that does not even apply to them? Shame on you for using your daughter as a pawn in your campaign to spread misinformation and attempt to put children in harm’s way.

    Why don’t I believe you? Because you lie, jtdubbs. Thanks for sharing so that other parents can know the dirty, lying tactics of anti-vaxers.

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  117. Lara Lohne
    August 2, 2012 at 12:30 am

    jtubb13,

    I’m curious about something that has been nagging at me since I first read your post that the H1N1 damaged your daughter. Was that the first vaccine she had ever had? I am fairly sure it wasn’t given to infants and toddlers. I had a friend who came down with it in 2009, she was pregnant and she was given the vaccine for it, which helped speed the process of antibody production and the course of the disease itself. She had a son who was almost 3 and her husband of course and neither of them were vaccinated. They were just advised to keep her isolated from everyone else. How old was your daughter when she received this vaccine? What is her actual injury? It must have been diagnosed as something, please provide us with that information, it will be fascinating to read about it.

    My basic confusion is with regard to your statement that your daughter has a genetic disorder that disrupts her natural detoxification process. Did she get injured then from other vaccines which have similar and/or different toxins (to use your phraseology). Shouldn’t they all have caused a problem for her? Please understand I’m not trying to pick a fight, I am pro-vaccine myself because my personal experience have shown me vaccines are by far the better course. I am earnestly interested to know though, this genetic defect should have been present since birth, so unless H1N1 was the first vaccine she ever received, shouldn’t she have been damaged from earlier vaccines first? Or are they not as toxic as the H1N1 vaccine? Thanks for hearing me out and I look forward to your answers.

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  118. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 12:32 am

    @Kelly…as I said before, people who read this can decide for themselves if I am sincere or not. I don’t have anything to prove to you. You show no respect or empathy and I don’t care about you. You are meaningless in this existence. Good luck being closed minded and negative. I’m sure you are very happy with yourself.

    Well, if you want me to believe you then you do have to prove your claims that your daughter is vaccine injured, especially since you have already shown yourself to be a liar.

    It is not being closed-minded in not accepting the lies of a liar, jtdubbs. It is being smart. What is pretty sad is that you use your daughter as a pawn in spreading lies that has the potential to harm others. Why should I show someone that pulls that dishonest stunt any respect or empathy? Lying is not an honorable character trait, jtdubbs. The fact that you think you deserve respect for coming here and lying to people makes you even more despicable. Yes, I am proud of myself to stand up and point out your lies to save others the trouble.

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  119. Lara Lohne
    August 2, 2012 at 12:42 am

    putin, do you remember this very old saying: “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure”? The ounce of prevention is vaccines. That vaccine can create immunity from said disease/virus without the necessity of suffering through the disease. With enough people immune to the virus, there is nowhere it can spread and it becomes eliminated. When a disease can be eliminated using preventative measures, there isn’t a need for a cure, the prevention becomes the cure, if enough people take advantage of it.

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  120. Chris
    August 2, 2012 at 12:43 am

    jtubb13:

    @chris….why do you care about that?

    It is a way check your story. If you have the genetic report it would have the gene sequence, plus a citation to the paper on that genetic sequence. Reading from my son’s test report from Gene DX in Maryland (hand typing because it is an actual sheet of paper): “This test includes the complete coding region and splice site junctions of the following 18 genes currently known to be associated with HCM: MYH7, MYBPC3, TNNT2, Tnn13…” etc

    Then at the bottom of the page it cites: GeneReviews: “Familial Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy Overview” by Cirino AL & Ho C. Last update 08/05/2008

    I am assuming you have a similar type of report. Because, if you are like me, you kept all of your daughter’s medical records. I still have the first twelve page report from the second neurologist.

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  121. Chris
    August 2, 2012 at 1:24 am

    More editing: “It is a way check your story.” should be “It is a way to check your story.”

    Remember, jtubb13, those medical reports that you have saved will be crucial in both your VAERS report and your NVICP claim. Which I assume you have done. If not, pull out those medical reports and click on the links I have provided. If you do not have the medical reports, there are methods of getting them from hospitals.

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  122. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 1:30 am

    @Kelly…wake up! You don’t know everything! It has yet to be determined if the mutation was genetic or if it was caused by something else. Once we get back our genetic tests we will know if it was a gene that was passed on or not. It doesn’t matter either way….if this gene or many others are mutated you will have a difficut time detoxing….thus a vaccine will over-load and cause many health problems. You are worse then a liar…you don’t want to know or hear the truth so you attack me instead. Keep being proud of yourself.

    @lara….h1n1 was not her first….but the one that put her over. She was barely two….we had been spreading out the vaccinations and waiitng unti she hit two. She received a couple other vaccines about a month prior to the h1n1. I do believe that all of the vaccines contributed and other environmental factors as well. The h1n1 was the tipping point and the one that broke the back. Toxic-overload.

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  123. Chris
    August 2, 2012 at 1:32 am

    For example, here is the type of form I had to fill out to get my son’s medical records for his treatment at an out-of-state hospital (and I am a little peeved that I had to go there in person to get them, while the university hospital mailed me his records):
    http://www.polyclinic.com/sites/default/files/polyclinic-roi-for-patients.pdf

    So, really, if you are using your daughter’s condition as an anecdote about the “evils of vaccines”, do have the decency to follow through on getting her records and filing those claims. Otherwise your protests and anecdote are will be hollow echoes.

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  124. Chris
    August 2, 2012 at 1:39 am

    “are will be hollow echoes.” should be “will be hollow echoes.”

    Really, jtubb13, you do have to show that the vaccines affected the genetic condition. Vaccines cannot cause the gene mutation, so it is up to you to prove that it caused a vaccine reaction.

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  125. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 1:46 am

    I don’t have to know everything to know that you are lying, jtdubbs. You changed your story. So now the testing is not complete and you don’t know if she has a vaccine injury or not, but earlier you lied and said she did.

    Vaccines also don’t lead to toxic overload. That is a lie meant to scare people.

    Furthermore, that mutation is not involved in “detoxing”. It is involved in protein metabolism and it quite clearly is a congenital defect.

    Really, jtdubbs. I am awake, which is why I’m not buying your lies. You just want me to swallow everything you are dishing out but because I can think for myself and know that you are lying, I’m the one that’s mistaken. No, jtdubbs, you aren’t telling the truth and you’re right that I’m not much interested in hearing your lies.

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  126. Chris
    August 2, 2012 at 1:53 am

    Kelly, the proof in the pudding is if he actually follows the links I provided to make a VAERS claim (which does not cost any money), or an NVICP claim (which would not cost anything with the right lawyer). He just has to provide the appropriate medical reports, which from personal experience I know does not require much effort.

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  127. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 2:00 am

    And jtdubbs, if calling you out on your lies makes me worse than a liar, then you have just lowered yourself more in my eyes.

    Not only are you using your daughter as a pawn in misleading people with the possible consequence of harming others, you think it is more wrong to correct the lies.

    You think it is OK to lie and those that reveal the truth are worse than the liar. Thanks again for showing everyone what low moral character anti-vaxers have.

    Why don’t people treat you with respect and believe what you say? Because you lie and those lies have the possible consequence of harming others. Why shouldn’t such a person be treated with contempt, jtdubbs? Why should I respect a person who places lying above telling the truth?

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  128. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 2:17 am

    But even then, Chris, a VAERS report or injury claim doesn’t mean the vaccine injured his daughter. It is just a report that he believes it does.

    He hasn’t made any effort to provide details to verify his claim. He won’t say what vaccine she had or what the alleged injury is. He uses vague terms or outright lies and expects us to just buy what he says without evidence nor critical thought. He also uses nonsense words popular with anti-vaxers like toxin, dextox, overload and my favorite, accuses me of being a pharma shill. My bet is he is an anti-vaxer trying to dress-up the nonsense with the sympathy card. There probably isn’t even a daughter. He just made that up so he can spread the lies and then try to shame anyone who questions him by saying ” how can you not have sympathy for my sick kid, you monster!”

    In reality, he is the monster that is lying and potentially harming others. It’s just part of the emotional manipulation used by anti-vaxers since they can’t support their position with evidence.

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  129. Lawrence
    August 2, 2012 at 5:50 am

    @Kelly – I would be happy if jt would just answer my two simple questions:

    1) If he is so convinced & has “evidence” that his daughter was vaccine injured, did he file a claim with the Vaccine Court – with its lower standard of evidence & no adversarial process (i.e. the evidence is presented, along with experts & the Court rules – there is no rebuttal)?

    2) If not, why?

    There is an official process for receiving compensation from legitimate “vaccine injuries” – which is faster & much less expensive / litigious than Civil Court – why would someone, who is so convinced of his story, not take these steps, which would legitimize his claims.

    I have never understood why the anti-vaccine movement wants to move these cases back to Civil Court, The standard of evidence is higher, it becomes a fully adversarial process, the defendants are allowed to present any and all evidence to refute the plaintiffs contention, and the process can last years.

    How exactly does that help families who should be compensated? Because, it doesn’t.

    All you have to do is read “A Civil Action” to see how the best intentions can lead to huge disappointments.

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  130. lilady
    August 2, 2012 at 9:51 am

    @ Lawrence:

    “I have never understood why the anti-vaccine movement wants to move these cases back to Civil Court, The standard of evidence is higher, it becomes a fully adversarial process,
    the defendants are allowed to present any and all evidence to refute the plaintiffs contention, and the process can last years.”

    That seems to be the latest gambit of the anti-vaccine crowd. You have some luminaries of the anti-vaccine movement (Barbara Loe Fisher) and the *journalists* at AoA advocating for the disbanding of the Vaccine Court…for their ignorant-of-the-law audiences.

    Negligence lawyers in the United States do not charge up-front fees to take on a case…their payments for representing a client are derived from the monetary settlement:

    http://injury.findlaw.com/accident-injury-law/sample-retainer-and-contingency-agreement-for-an-injury-case.html

    Why would a prospective client or a negligence lawyer NOT make a claim in the Vaccine Court where the burden of proof is “50 % plus a feather”

    A common belief, also promulgated by the usual suspects, is that your option to sue in a civil court is precluded, once you try a case in the Vaccine Court and are unsuccessful…another falsehood.

    Where are all the cases in civil courts, that have been instituted, once a claimant fails to prove a vaccine injury in the Vaccine Court?

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  131. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 10:55 am

    @Kelly….you are pathetic as a human being. There is more than one mthfr gene….I trust the many Doctor’s we are working with a hell of a lot more then you, I have no doubt they know much more about this then you do. Keep thinking you are so smart Kelly….keep living in your own delusional world. If all scientists were closed minded like you and thought they knew eveerything, therre would be no advancements in science. You have no proof that I am lying about anything and yet you keep claiming….disgusting. Really, really disgusting. All you can do is come on here and attack people, people they know about things that you don’t. Sounds like fear to me and I feel sorry for you. Cheers Kelly….I will be ignoring any other comments from you. You are a total waste of time.

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  132. ella
    August 2, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Mercury, aka thimerosal, is still in most flu vaccines. It used to be in most vaccines, and continued to be many years after it had been proven to be both dangerous and present at dangerous levels in the vaccines, and those damaged have yet to be compensated for this vaccine-induced damage. It is not the only mechanism for damaging vaccine recipients, the MMR and varicella vaccines are very dangerous, but are live virus vaccines, and never had mercury or aluminum. Citation for mercury poisoning causing oxidative stress and mitochondrial disorder. Mercury induces oxidative stress: C. Migdal, et al. “Sensitization effect of thimerosal is mediated in vitro via reactive oxygen speciea and calcium signaling,” Toxicology, 2010 July-Aug.; 274 (1-3); 1-9, Epub 2010 May 10.

    Nothing is more effective than mercury at inducing oxidative stress, which is identified by exceptionally high mitochondrial dysfundtion. Over 85 % of autistic children who have been tested have been diagnosed with such a dysfunction. SJ James, et al, “Metabolic biomarkers of increased oxidative stress and impaired methylation capacity in children with autism,” Am. J. Clin. Nutr., 2004 Dec; 80(6); 1611-17.

    Biochemically, the exceptionally tight binding of mercury to the electron transporting system of mitchondria has been proven to cause high production of toxic chemical intermediates, leading to oxidative stress and to many of the biochemical abnormalities found most often in children with autism. R. Nataf, et al, “Porphyrinuria in Childhood Autistic Disorder; Implications for Environmental Toxicity,” Toxicol. Appl. Pharemalcol, 2006 Jul 15; 214 (2); 99-108; Epub 2006 Jun 16.

    This is from an article by Gay Tate, her son Allen was born in 1989 and got some vaccines, but was normal. Her son and daughter born in 1992 and 1996 got all the vaccines on the new schedule, and were both autistic. She says: “The difference in the vaccination schedule in the three years between Allen and Kenny was dramatic. Our government had more than doubled the number of shots in the first six months, and they were also given earlier, beginning on the day of birth. However, I believe the most damagin aspect of the change was the sharp increase in the amount of mercury that Kenny, and later Olivia, received. Their pediatricians gave Kenny and Olivia the additional hepatitis B and haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) vaccines, both containing the preservative thimrosal, which is 50 % ethylmercury by weight. Mercury is a potent neurotoxin, and very damaging to the immune system. Kenny and Olivia each received three times the amount of mercury, beginning just days after birth, as Allen. Those in charge of the vaccination schedule apparently forgot to add up the amount of mercury that American children would receive because of the added shots. How careless! Even worse, how reprehensible to continue, to this day, to publicly deny the damage that was done.

    How do I know Kenny and Olivia suffered from mercury toxicity? I have test results. We had each child’s porphyrins tested. Porphyrins are derivatives of the heme synthesis pathway and are normally found in urine. Variations in urinary orphyrin metabolite patterns can be used to measure the overall body burden and toxicity of mercury, as well as other heavy metals and toxins. I can still remember staring, through angry tears, at the results of my three children’s porphyrin tests. kenny, cognitively and physically the most affected child, showed the highest level of mercury toxicity, Olivia, less affected, showed clear but less toxicity, and Allen’s results showed no evidence of mercury toxicity at all. All three children shared the same parents, food, water, air, time spent nursing, and even the time of year they were born. The biggest difference in environmental exposures that happened during those three short years was the increase in their vaccines. There it was, clear data from my own family and a microcosm of what had happened to so many children. A sudden increase in autism, beginning in the 19902, that coincided with a change in a single set of exposures – vaccines, received by all children in our country without regard to genetics, diet, socioeconomic status, geography, or quality of medical care.”

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  133. lilady
    August 2, 2012 at 11:08 am

    jtubb13:

    Why don’t you file a claim against the manufacturer of the H1N1 vaccine?

    Why do you insist your child is vaccine-injured?

    What sort of tests did your child undergo that prove your child is “toxic” from an ingredient in the H1N1 vaccine?

    If you won’t answer any of these questions…why should we believe anything you say?

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  134. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 11:10 am

    No jtdubbs, there is not more than one mthfr gene as the rules of nomenclature preclude that. Each name is unique. You can read about that in the link I posted about the mthfr gene and how it is not involved in detox as you claim. So you are caught in another lie.

    You can’t answer the simple questions asked of you and instead attack me. Why not just tell the truth if there is truth in your claims? If you are not lying, why do you continue to lie?

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  135. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Ella, numerous studies have shown no link between thimerosal and autism. Why would we care about an uneducated mother’s opinion on the matter when she is quite clearly misinformed?

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  136. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Jtdubbs claims there is more than one mthfr gene. Here is the evidence that he is lying:

    The HGNC assigns a unique name and symbol to each human gene, which allows effective organization of genes in large databanks, aiding the advancement of research.

    http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/handbook/mutationsanddisorders/naming

    And I’m the pathetic, deluded one? No, I don’t pretend to know everything, which is why I looked up the gene that jtdubbs claims his supposed daughter has a mutation in and is associated with a vaccine injury. The truth does matter jtdubbs version of reality because jtdubbs is a liar.

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  137. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Ugh, that should be – the truth does not match jtdubbs version of reality because jtdubbs is a liar.

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  138. lilady
    August 2, 2012 at 11:39 am

    @ Kelly:

    Here’s an “interesting” study about the H1N1 vaccine:

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_127090.html

    “A Danish study that included more than 53,000 pregnant women, 13 percent of whom received the H1N1 vaccine, found no increased risk of major birth defects or pregnancy problems.”

    The children whose mothers received the separate H1N1 vaccine starting October 2009, are now approaching their 3rd birthdays. Shouldn’t there be reports of children showing early signs of autism…or other vaccine injuries by now?

    Also the H1N1 influenza strain was incorporated in every seasonal flu vaccine since then, (2010-2011 and 2011-2012), Where are those reports of H1N1 vaccine toxic children?

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  139. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Exactly lilady. The evidence just doesn’t match jtdubbs story. I find it amazing that he thinks we should discard all evidence to the contrary and just take his word, especially after learning that his word is composed of lies.

    He is attempting to use emotional manipulation to sway others because the evidence does not support his anti-vax position. He then wonders why we are outraged at such dishonesty. I should be used to the lack of integrity shared by anti-vaxers by now, but it still amazes me that they are offended when we don’t fall for their dirty tricks and deceptions.

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  140. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    MTHFR mutations – MTHFR A1298C, MTHFR C677T, MTHFR R594Q

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  141. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Where is the VERY long page I wrote??

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  142. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    @Jennifer….I saw it for one second and when i went back it was gone??

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  143. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Ridiculous!! I just tried to post again and it, again, didn’t work!! GRRR!!!!

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  144. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    I had the same issues with my last post. Must be a little glitchy.

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  145. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    I’m splitting it up lol. I will post it all!
    Right now, it says “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

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  146. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Maybe there is too much common sense and A LOT of references they don’t want people to see (:

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  147. Lara Lohne
    August 2, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    ella,

    Where is the citation showing 85% of autistic people have a mitochondrial dysfunction? My son went through genetic evaluations and nothing such as you claim was found wrong with him. He has autistic disorder, no bowel disease, thankfully, and nothing wrong with his immune system, metabolic system or any other system in his body. His challenges stem from neurology dysfunction. His brain is wired differently so he processes things differently, but he is physically as normal as I am or any other physically healthy person. Without corroborative evidence, your 85% claim can only be taken as fabrication.

    The only time something like what you claim can exist is if there is a genetic cause for the autistic disorder, such as Fragile X Syndrome or Rhett’s Syndrome, which are actually found in the minority of autistic cases, not the majority. If no such genetic anomaly exists, these other dysfunctions don’t exist. So what is making these children without the genetic disorders have autism? Simply put, we don’t know, but we know that it isn’t vaccines. If it was, many more people would have autism then currently do. And children who haven’t been immunized should never get autism, yet my own son proves the opposite of that claim, as well as many other children with autism that developed prior to or without any vaccines given.

    Will you explain away these non-vaccinated autistic children by calling their parents liars or claiming their autism can’t be real if they weren’t ‘vaccine damaged’? That’s what the folks at AoA did to me when I reached out for support to them. I didn’t get any support once they learned I was pro-vaccination. I got insults, contempt, bullying and threats of physical violence. Eventually they blocked me from commenting at all, much to my disappointment *sarcasm*. If that is the reception the mother of an autistic child can expect from these other parents of autistic children simply because my son was not ‘vaccine damaged’ it doesn’t endear them or their cause/claims to me at all. It actually diminishes their claims by magnitudes because only a beast that feels threatened lashes out at the target of the perceived threat. I am viewed as a threat to them, otherwise why attack me so viciously? When an animal is cornered and in imminent danger of death or dismemberment, it is the most vicious and will attack to kill because it comes down to kill or be killed and if they perceive they are going to die anyway, they have nothing to lose so will throw all their energy behind their attack.

    I don’t believe the anti-vaccine debate will ever die, as it has been around for hundreds of years, since inoculations for smallpox was first introduced. The arguments are the same, but new buzz words and damage accusations crop up over time when the previous claim they made are completely and totally debunked by science. When that happens they need to find a new scare tactic. I do believe, however, the autism and vaccine injury stance has about run it’s course. So that particular cycle of the argument is dying. There is too much science proving otherwise and no matter how many studies the anti-vaccine people try and perform to support their claims, when they fail to support them, the data is tossed out and they start again with a different angle. All that funding wasted on research to find something that, if it was correct, should have been found decades ago. Why is it so hard to accept the fact that your claims are not correct? A lot of people, much better then you, have been wrong before and they admitted it and nothing happened to them. It’s the ones that are wrong and refused to accept that they’re wrong that will go down in history with infamy.

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  148. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 3:25 pm

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  149. novalox
    August 2, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    @jennifer

    And how is that supposed to be related to vaccinations, besides spewing out the old pharma shill gambit?

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  150. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Still waiting, impatiently, for them to post my book lol. I’m not going away (:

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  151. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    It’s all the same gene which is involved in the same pathway, jtdubbs. That pathway has nothing to do with detoxing toxin overload as you claim. It is part of protein metabolism.

    More lies from the liar. Why am I not surprised?

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  152. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Still on the “old pharma shill gambit”? LOL!! Give me some proof/links/anything that proves your point!! It has to do with everything in our world! This vaccine thing is only one of the, MANY, topics affecting all of us (our health and well being) today! Yet you sit there trying to convince someone/anyone that we are being told the truth about vaccines. REALLY?? You don’t think there could be/is corruption in that department??

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  153. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    I bet none of these people that disrespect another’s discernment over their lives and their own have seen their child react unfavorably to a vaccine. I believe that people who get vaccines are creating the risk of mutation for the rest of us.
    I know that all people who are against vaccines aren’t against the theory behind it, but more so the process of persevering/shelf life practices, toxic ingredients, and govt mandating lobby that is just for profit.

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  154. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    jtubb13 on August 2, 2012 at 12:45 pm
    MTHFR mutations – MTHFR A1298C, MTHFR C677T, MTHFR R594Q

    Do you know what these letters mean, jtubb13 or are you hoping nobody else does?

    MTHFR is the name of the gene for an enzyme involved in protein metabolism.

    A gene is a sequence of bases which code for a certain amino acid. The first letter is what the amino acid should be. The number is which base has been changed or mutated. The second letter is what the amino acid had been changed to. Different mutations can have different results on enzyme function but the key point is that enzyme is not involved in detoxication. That’s where jtubbs is lying.

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  155. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    I believe that people who get vaccines are creating the risk of mutation for the rest of us.

    That’s nice Jennifer, but what do base this belief on?

    Mutations occur when the microbe replicates. A microbe will replicate more in an unvaccinated person and be more likely to be transmitted to others than in a vaccinated person.

    This is basic molecular microbial pathogenesis. The argument is of course more nuanced. One of my interests is evolution of pathogens, so I’d be interested in where your belief comes from since it is not supported by current scientific thinking.

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  156. novalox
    August 2, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    @jennifer

    You brought up the assertions, it is up to you to provide proof for it.

    And besides, we’ve all heard the pharma shill gambit before, it isn’t new, and almost always is a sign that you really have little to no argument to present.

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  157. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Yet you sit there trying to convince someone/anyone that we are being told the truth about vaccines. REALLY?? You don’t think there could be/is corruption in that department??

    You aren’t being told the truth about vaccines. Anti-vaxers lie all the time. The whole position is based on misleading people through misinformation, misconception and logical fallacies.

    Look at all the posts by anti-vaxers in this thread. Not a single one represents the science accurately. The lack of critical thinking skills is appalling and the arrogance to assume that vaccine advocates are the uneducated ones when they can’t even assess the accuracy of their own statements takes the cake.

    Then we have the selfishness of people who know vaccines work but use their children as political pawns, as you described Jennifer. If it was the anti-vaxer who paid the price for their bad choices, then I wouldn’t care. Sadly it is everyone but them because most had parents that vaccinated them. They are vaccinated but they leave their children susceptible to diseases that causes them to suffer in the best case scenario and kill them in the worst. There is also the people who are exposed to these infectious children.

    The moral bankruptcy of anti-vaxers really is disgraceful. The tide is turning and more and more people are starting to see the anti-vaccine movement for what it really is as anti-vaxers become more vocal. Hopefully kids don’t have to die before people start speaking up against anti-vaxers.

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  158. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Way over your head Kelly…stop while you still can….you look foolish. I never claimed to be an expert in genetics….but we have Docs that are….so quit being ridiculous and quite it with the attacks…please.

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  159. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    OH?? LOL
    Kelly..mine is coming! There is even a clip for you in there. I wrote that part 2 days ago (before a lot of comments were posted) and you are STILL on here, only, to throw punches! I will have plenty of good/common sense information with all the links you should need (:

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  160. Lawrence
    August 2, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    @jennifer – if it includes anything from whale.to, natural news, Gary Null, Mercola, quotes anything from Wakefield et al. I think we can pretty much guess how much BS you’re spewing…..thanks for playing.

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  161. novalox
    August 2, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    @jtdubb13

    Um, what attacks? You’ve been caught lying, so you resort to tone trolling?

    Yawn, how utterly predictable.

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  162. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Way over your head Kelly…stop while you still can….you look foolish. I never claimed to be an expert in genetics….but we have Docs that are….so quit being ridiculous and quite it with the attacks…please.

    Jtubbs now admits he has no clue what he is talking about but wants people to believe his lies anyway.

    What is foolish jtubbs is to keep insisting you deserve respect when you gave been caught as liar over and over again. You keep attacking me because you can’t substantiate your lies.

    You waltzed in here wondering why people don’t believe you and I told you why. Why should we believe you when you are a liar? You still haven’t answered that question.

    Where do you feel justified in asking people to put their children’s in harm’s way because of some story you made up and posted on a blog? How do you justify attacking people that warn others about the lies you are telling?

    You have already admitted that you would rather be a liar than someone that tells the truth and you think I look foolish because I’m smarter and more knowledgeable than you? Well, coming from a liar, I’ll take that as a compliment.

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  163. Why?
    August 2, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Jennifer: Why do pro-children blogs like this one allow antivaxxers to post here, while blogs like AOA and Mothering boast of their censorship of pro-vaccine facts? Isn’t that weird?

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  164. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Why?
    I guess I don’t know what you mean. I don’t look at this blog as pro-children and I haven’t seen the blogs from AOA and Mothering. What do you mean by, “boast of their censorship of pro-vaccine facts?”

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  165. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    @nova…and what lie is that? What attacks? Pleaseee…must I go back through the whole thread and quote? I told my personal story which is not scientific, it is a personal story. As I have said a few times….readers can decide if I am sincere or not. The fact is vaccines aren’t safe…even the pro-vaxers admit that. But because a vaccine injured my daughter…it must not be true. Keep believing what you believe, and as Chris would say….I will beleive my own facts.

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  166. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    @ Lawrence
    What makes you think/say that the websites you mention aren’t credible?? They all have references that they got their information from. They didn’t just write a blog about something they pulled out of their a**!
    Who else is going to put the other side of the story out there?? Where are your credible sites/links/information. The FDA? CDC? PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES? GOVERNMENT? DOCTORS? MAINSTREAM NEWS?
    I have plenty of info., directly, from all of the above/credible (LOL) sources (if they would, finally, post my book)

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  167. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Jennifer is commenting on a blog post about a month long fund-raising effort to provide vaccines for children in developing countries to help protect them from diseases that could potentially kill them and she doesn’t see this as pro-children.

    WOW! Jennifer, why would I be at all interested in your opinion after a comment like that?

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  168. Lawrence
    August 2, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    @jennifer – I have a hard time believing, based on what you’ve posted (so far) that you are unfamiliar with anti-vax blogs or sites. Sites like AoA make it abundantly clear that they moderate all posts & refuse to post just about anything that goes against the “party line” against vaccines.

    Oh, they might let one or two through, just to show they are being “fair” – if someone like putin tried to post pro-vax screeds like he posts anti-vax screeds here, he’d be banned even before the first post was allowed through.

    The double standard is quite appalling.

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  169. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    @Why….I have a child and she was injured by a vaccine. I am pro-children as you say…that is why I am telling my story. Do you not care about my child?

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  170. Lawrence
    August 2, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    @jt – so, care to answer my simple questions?

    1) Since you believe your daughter was injured by a vaccine (and now you claim a genetic component, which actually could make your case stronger – see Hannah Poling), did you file a claim with the Vaccine Court?

    2) If not, why?

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  171. Lawrence
    August 2, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    @jennifer – I thought so. Those sites routinely post information that is proven to be false, and Whale.to is absolutely hilarious – since they also believe in Aliens, Big Foot, NWO & other wacko conspiracies…..in Internet circles, citing Whale.to is an automatic FAIL.

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  172. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    The fact is vaccines aren’t safe…even the pro-vaxers admit that. But because a vaccine injured my daughter

    This is where you go past telling your personal story and start telling lies.

    Fact is vaccinating is safer than not vaccinating.

    Fact is your daughter is not vaccine injured. Your claim that she is vaccine injured is not true because you told us she has a genetic mutation. Background reading on this mutation tells us your daughter was born that way and not injured by the H1N1 vaccine when she was two. These are your own words. Your first statement was a lie.

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  173. novalox
    August 2, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    @jtdubb13

    You are entitled to your opinions, but not to your own facts.

    I don’t doubt you love your child, but you’ve been caught lying and were called out on it.

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  174. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    @Law…I guess you can prove there isn’t life elsewhere and also prove there is no Big Foot? I can’t prove they do exist, but I am open to possibilites and wouldn’t say they definitively don’t exist.

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  175. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    @Nova…what lie are you referring too?

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  176. Lawrence
    August 2, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    @jt – eyewitness accounts / statements are now considered the poorest standard of evidence in Criminal Courts. Every day we hear about people being released from prison due to mistaken identify, false witness statements, faulty memories, etc – it is the progression of science that allows us to learn the truth.

    You provide no evidence to back up your claims – again, disprove that I am Bill Gates….because that statement has as much evidence as your claims & your inability to answer simple, relevant questions shows your true colors.

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  177. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    @Why….I have a child and she was injured by a vaccine. I am pro-children as you say…that is why I am telling my story. Do you not care about my child?

    But jtdubbs, your daughter is not injured by a vaccine. You lied about that. If you are pro-children, why do you keep telling lies that have the potential to harm them?

    I care about your child. I think it’s appalling that her parent is using her as a pawn in his campaign to harm others by lying about her on the Internet.

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  178. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    @Kelly….here’s what you just said, “Fact is vaccinating is safer than not vaccinating”, so admiting that vaccines are not safe.
    Because my daughter may or may not have had a genetic disposition, doesn’t mean the vaccine didn’t injur her. In fact, it proves what I am saying…that vaccines are not safe or “safe for everybody” if that makes you feel better.

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  179. Lawrence
    August 2, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    @jt – you might want to visit Whale.to first – to say they’ve gone off the deep end is probably a huge understatement – if it is wacko, you can find a page there……including talking dolphins, I believe.

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  180. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    Because Kelly, you can’t help yourself…obviously!
    I’m still waiting for one of you to post some credible info., with links, to your claims!
    GIVE ME SOMETHING!!!!!

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  181. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Whale.to? I have never been on or seen this site!

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  182. novalox
    August 2, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    @jennifer

    You made the claim first, you have to provide the sources fro your claim.

    And we’re still waiting.

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  183. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    @law…again I don’t care what you think….your mind is made up, it is a closed mind and not open to the possibilities.

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  184. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    @law…never heard of the whale site until this blog.

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  185. Lawrence
    August 2, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    @jt – please point to exactly where anyone here has said that vaccines are 100% safe, 100% effective or should be given to 100% of the people? That is a massive strawman…..but we can easily prove that vaccines are much safer than the diseases they prevent, have side-effects that we know about & have good statistics for (and also the statistics of the negative side-effects of the diseases, which occur at a magnitude or higher rate than the mild side-effects from vaccines).

    And the more serious side-effects from vaccines happen so rarely that it is almost statistically impossible to positively link them to the vaccine (think 1 in 10 million or more). You have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than suffering a major reaction to a vaccine – which by itself is a huge point against the “thousands or hundreds of thousands” of vaccine injured children that the anti-vaccine crowd claim to exist.

    If vaccines don’t cause autism – and there is no link that has been found to date, in either population studies or clinical research, then the entire premise of the “vaccine-injured” generation is a load of crap.

    And for those that do actually suffer the rare vaccine-injury or can at least prove probably causation, there is the Vaccine Court…..so again, did you file and claim, and if not, why?

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  186. Why?
    August 2, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    “.I have a child and she was injured by a vaccine. I am pro-children as you say…that is why I am telling my story.”

    jtdubbs: You misunderstood my question, so let me re-word it : Antivaccine blogs openly censor opposing views – this blog doesn’t. Why is that?

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  187. Lara Lohne
    August 2, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    jtubb13,

    It really is difficult to decide if you’re telling the truth or not when you don’t answer simple questions or provide anything to support your words. I know what it is to have a special needs child and I have no doubt you are sincerely concerned for her well being and health. The fact is, words are wind, without action/documentation to back them up. I’m sure you wouldn’t believe me if I told you that in the state I live in the sky is purple. You would at least want to see a reputable source or three stating evidence to back it up. That’s all we are asking for from you. If it’s true what you claim, it isn’t difficult to find sources to corroborate it.

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  188. August 2, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    @jennifer – plentiful information with full citations can be found at:

    http://antiantivax.flurf.net/

    Anything and everything you could want to know about vaccines & dispel the myths you are trying to propagate here.

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  189. August 2, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    @jt – please, change my mind. Tell me when you filed your Vaccine Court case & if you didn’t, why you didn’t?

    You haven’t provided even the simplest answer to try to change my mind.

    Oh, and I am always open to new evidence – you haven’t provided any.

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  190. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    No jtdubbs. Safe is a relative term. Living is not safe. Getting out of bed is not safe. Staying in bed is not safe. The question is what is safer.

    If vaccinating is not safe and not vaccinating is not safe, which is safer? Vaccinating is the safer choice.

    You claimed your daughter has a genetic mutation that prevents her from detoxing the toxic ingredients and thus she was vaccine injured.

    This is a lie because;
    -the genetic mutation you claim she has isn’t involved in detoxing anything
    – vaccine ingredients are not toxic in the concentrations found in vaccines

    As for vaccines not being the safer choice for everyone. This is true. There are some people that shouldn’t be vaccinated. You could have said this without lying about your daughter, but you chose to lie instead because you prefer to lie than tell the truth. You then wonder why people don’t believe you. People don’t believe you because you lie. Why you find this do hard to understand is beyond me. Would you believe someone that lies? If so, why?

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  191. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    @law….glad you agree with me that vaccines do cause injuries. That is my point, and I know my daughter is not a small statistic. I don’t answer your personal questions, because they are too personal and irevelant. Answering those questions doesn’t prove anything to anybody.

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  192. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    @Kelly…still haven’t told me what I lied about Kelly. You can believe what you want about the MTHFR, I’ll stick with people who know what they are talking about, like her Doctor’s.

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  193. August 2, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    @jt – what a crock. Those two questions are as “impersonal” at they get.

    Did you file a Claim with the Vaccine Court?

    If not, why?

    How exactly is answer yes or no to question #1 & providing your rationale for #2 revealing any personal information?

    There are legitimate reactions to vaccines – that happen in extremely rare situations & are recognized.

    Then there are the “vaccine injuries” that the anti-vax crowd would like you to believe in, that are neither supported by the evidence nor “real” in any sense of the word.

    Because you have given us no reason to believe you, your story falls squarely in the second category.

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  194. August 2, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    @jt – if you had legitimate doctors confirming this, that is a perfect case to be made at the Vaccine Court….so why haven’t you?

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  195. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    First I must say that your beliefs don’t make you a better person, your behavior does!!
    @ Kelly…I’m not here to badmouth people for their choices but you seem to be commenting an awful lot without any links/proof. Where are your links..where are you getting your information from?? I know this will spark something, in you, as the littlest of comments have. Why are you so angry that you can’t have a discussion without bashing other people for putting their info. out there. Your answers (comebacks) are childish and unfounded. You are just like that school bully who puts everyone down and name calls to make yourself feel better. You are that insecure person who is trying to call everyone out with, unintelligent, words to make yourself and your argument seem founded/better! Let’s get real and, at least, have some level of open mindedness and maturity!
    You say “Ella, you are once again fabricating information. The pertussis vaccine doesn’t cause SIDS, autism etc. You have been provided with scientific evidence that show your assertions to be falsehoods numerous times. The logical fallacy post hoc propter ergo hoc has been explained to you repeatedly. Just because parents believe something doesn’t make it true.
    You even invented a new identity for yourself to dissociate yourself from being the lying cia parker. However, you keep repeating the same lies over and over again. There isn’t legions of anti-vaxers on this blog. There are just a few and their numerous socks. You have posted here as cia parker, liz allen and now Ella.
    So you just keep revealing yourself to be a liar “Ella” because it really does help when people learn that all anti-vaxers do is lie.”
    “I think it’s great that the comments from the anti-vax trolls will also lead to more people getting vaccinated.
    And why do they always tell us to educate ourselves while being uneducated themselves? Why don’t they follow their own advice instead of just repeating the same misinformation, misconceptions and logical fallacies? Although I must admit the conspiracy theories are my absolute favorite. Nothing like identifying yourself as an anti-vax wacko by spewing forth conspiracy theory like the pharma shill gambit. Why would I take these wackos seriously when they can’t even think rationally?
    Where does this kind of talking (debate) come from?? You keep talking about scientific evidence/logical fallacy/Pharma (HARMA) Shill Gambit?? WHERE ARE YOUR SOURCES??? Give me something!!! Where are all the diseases and illnesses coming from (if not from vaccines/drugs/over-diagnoses/misdiagnoses/food additives/GMOs)? We have an amazing health care system and many choices for healthy living. If we have come so far, why are there, consistently, more and more problems with health!? You are right about one thing..”Just because parents believe something doesn’t make it true.” Thank you for that one and know that it goes both ways! Sheeple need to open their minds. Every person (including me) need to educate themselves and know both sides of the story..plain and simple!! Can we, at least, agree with that?

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  196. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    I don’t care what side you are on..we are all sheeple trying to do our best, at least, what we have come to think/know is best. I do understand both sides. It is ridiculously confusing!! I had to find my own answers. I have researched the S*** out of the vaccination controversy. I was once a sheeple and ignorant to what’s really going on in our world and, unfortunately, this is only one of the MANY topics. I’m Thankful that I have done my homework and decided not to vaccinate my daughter. This is an educated decision! I am not taking one reference to make my decision. I am taking MANY and grouping it together to make a decision that is right for the circumstance. You know what I do in my free time? Research. Once I started looking, I couldn’t stop! There was/is so much crazy information from both sides. I would like to see, pro-vaccine, sheeple give us some links/info/proof that they are good for you. There are none!!

    Look at the CDC/Merck/government websites! Look up THEIR info. on vaccines (go beyond the “get vaccinated to stay healthy” BS). Look at the actual info. on each vaccine. Look at the potential side effects/risks, ingredients, injuries reported, and the amount they have paid people for those who have been hurt/injured!
    When we get pregnant, we are all about being healthy and doing the right things for our baby/babies. We stay away from certain foods/chemicals because we are told that it could be bad for our growing baby. The perfect example is fish. Don’t eat this or too much of that because they are known to contain mercury. I definitely agree with that..why take any chances? Right?
    So, with vaccines containing mercury and A LOT of other HORRIBLE ingredients (including dead animal matter/dead human matter) why are we not questioning vaccines enough and still taking those chances? Just doing it because the CDC tells us we need to/should? The CDC (who regulates/makes billions from vaccines) are the ones who put the ads out that scare us. Epidemic this and outbreak that!! Everyone vaccinate!!

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  197. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Our bodies weren’t made to be injected with a foreign cocktail of poison! Whether it causes autism or not, (I believe it does, and many other horrible things) it is not possible to give a one size fits all shot to everyone (especially babies) and expect no consequences!! There are sooo many stories of people who vaccinated their children and something went wrong. They believed they were safe/necessary (pro-vaccine) now their lives have been turned upside down because they didn’t question a dishonest, criminal, and greedy system of BS! All those people can’t be wrong. I don’t think everyone will have ill effect of the vaccines but can you be sure you/yours won’t?! Are the chances/risk worth it?? People need to start looking at the other side of the story. I don’t care what doctors say or how they cover it up. A mother knows her child way better than any “qualified” doctor/person. A mother knows when her child goes from “normal” to not right! They tell us all the “good” things vaccines do, where/when do they tell/inform you the about the potential hazards/bad?? There is always a good and bad side to everything! AGAIN…there is a certain percentage of people/babies that WILL be harmed! Can you ever be SURE that you/yours won’t be the one?? Please just be informed of both sides of the story before you make THE decision that could affect the rest of yours/child’s life!

    AGAIN…you cannot take a one size fits all shot (or anything else) and expect it to work great for everyone and for all to come out unharmed!! Not everyone can take Vicodin! Not everyone can eat strawberries!! There are risks to everything!!
    We all (in general) drink bottled water, eat organic (when we can), and worry about what we put into our bodies (especially our babies/kids) . Why is it sooo different with vaccinations??? Why would/should we believe what “THEY” (CDC, FDA, doctors and, especially, pharmaceutical companies) tell us??? When you put something into your body, through the mouth, it goes through a natural process of filtering (kidneys/liver/etc). When a foreign matter (poisons/toxins) are injected, directly, into your body (muscles/blood). What chance do some people have of fighting this??? Are you telling me that one person’s life is more valuable than another’s? Mass vaccinate and who give a s*** what happens to the ones who can’t handle them?? Is this where you stand?

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  198. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    I am not against the idea of vaccination or against any company making money! But, I am against the questionable efficacy of the vaccines, their toxic ingredients, and all the BS propaganda they use to scare people (especially parents) into believing it’s safe and necessary! isn’t there a limit to what they are making money on and how forceful they are about it?? Just as I shouldn’t tell you whether you can smoke or not..nobody should tell me what I can or can’t do with my own body!! We should ALL be informed and have TRUTHFUL, public, information (good/bad/ugly) about all of our choices/options/treatments/medical care/etc…

    Here is an actual vaccine ingredient list from the CDC. I think it should make people, at least, curious! The world we live in is a scary, scary, place! sometimes I think most people have really lost their minds! LOOK at this…who would inject anyone, especially, their babies/kids with these messy cocktails?!
    http://www.cdc.gov/VACCINEs/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf
    Don’t let some the wording fool you or make you think…doesn’t sound that bad!! These ingredients they inject into our bodies are, in simple terms, toxic and disgusting!!
    Here is another informative/good article about vaccine ingredients.
    http://vran.org/about-vaccines/vaccine-ingredients/what-is-coming-through-that-needle/

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  199. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    DTap-IPV-Hib vaccine loaded with bacterial components, antibiotics, and toxic chemicals and additives

    According to the Vaccine Awareness Network, the DTap-IPV-Hib vaccine contains diphtheria and tetanus toxoids, five components of the bordetella pertussis bacteria, filamentous haemagglutinin (the component of the bacteria which causes infection), pertactin (a highly immunogenic virulence factor), three types of inactivated polio virus, types 1, 2 and 3, a component of Haemophilus influenzae type B that has been attached to tetanus toxoid to make babies produce more antibodies, and three different types of antibiotics — neomycin, streptomycin, and polymyxin B.

    Besides this barrage of pathogens and pathogenic components, the vaccine also contains deadly preservatives and additives like formaldehyde (rat poison), 2-phenoxyethanol (a detergent that is the main ingredient in anti-freeze), aluminum, and polysorbate 80 (an emulsifier implicated in causing male infertility).

    There are also more than 3,500 reports in the Department of Health and Human Services’ (HHS) Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) about serious adverse events associated with the DTap-IPV-Hib vaccine. These include, but are not limited to, Moraxella catarrhalis, streptococcus pneumonia, asthma, anaphylactic reactions, pancreatitis, gastrointestinal dysfunction, peripheral neuropathy, Guillain-Barre syndrome, and meningitis.”

    Here is a link to the FDA..it’s an, actual, vaccine insert from the manufacturer for the DTaP vaccine. Read through it just don’t stop before you look at the contraindications, warnings, and precautions.
    http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm101580.pdf

    Here is a government site for vaccine injury compensation. There are 2948 paid cases, so far, this year!! How many others go unreported?? The numbers say a lot and they have been increasing over the years! With the super speed of developing new vaccines and many other drugs, what do we expect?? Very interesting!! If they, truly, believe that vaccines are safe and do no harm, they would NEVER have paid!!!!!!!!
    http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreports.html#Stats

    “THEY” (in all their pamphlets on vaccines/drugs) tell you that certain people shouldn’t get vaccinated/use certain drugs. They also have a list of how/when to get/have your child vaccinated. They say that if you/your child are already sick you shouldn’t get vaccines until you are feeling well. Yet, they are doing huge campaigns, in countries, where too many are already sick from lack of nutrition, clean water, and sanitation! They are, potentially, making these people worse and, possibly, killing some! Bill Gate’s (a MAJOR campaign contributor) answer to this was, “population control”. Pretty twisted!! If you need more let me know.

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  200. Gray Falcon
    August 2, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Jennifer, if the human body were a tenth as susceptible to “toxins” as you claim we are, we’d all be dead now.

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  201. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    I’m not here to tell anyone what to do or what they should think! I like to believe that every parent wants what’s best for their families. I believe too many of us just don’t know both sides of the story. We are so busy these days! It’s hard to devote a lot of time to everything/anything that matters. We all here snip-its, here and there, from the news and many other sources. We hear certain part of the whole story and fill in the blanks to suit how we think it should be (we have all been guilty). I just want everyone to find their own truth! That means doing the research, on both sides, to asses the benefits and risks. Not, just, listening to everything we are told/are made to believe. THINK logically and objectively…are you educated regarding your decision or are you just going with the mainstream of sheeple? Are you just doing what the doctor/government//family/school/friends tell you is right/safe?

    Do your research! Get to a level of fair knowledge on this subject then come at me with an educated debate. If you can only contribute with “F*** Research” or anything but justifying where you stand, then I think you should double think what you are fighting for. I can come at you with percents, references, anything you need to justify my decision. What do you have to justify yours?

    Too many sheeple criticize/judge others about something they know NOTHING/LITTLE about and, unfortunately, they don’t care to learn. You are free to choose BUT you are not free from the consequence of your choice!!

    If you choose not to vaccinate..KNOW why you are not vaccinating!!
    If you choose to vaccinate..KNOW why you are vaccinating! My doctor told me to, they say it’s safe, everyone does it, my kids can’t go to school, etc..these are not good reasons! KNOW for yourself..both sides before you make such a critical decision!
    Here is an article from the NVIC (National Vaccine Information Center)
    http://www.nvic.org/Ask-Eight-Questions.aspx
    If you decide to vaccinate, Ask 8! What You Need to Know Before & After Vaccination

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  202. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    The unfounded fear over the illnesses supposedly prevented by vaccination is based on a history of unscientific theory and policy driven by profit, not health. We must learn how to care for the common, immune building illnesses and not fall prey to the 200 year farce that injecting disease matter, animal matter, chemicals, metals and a host of other toxic elements could possibly promote health. History demonstrates this practice to be an utter failure. Do not be afraid of measles, because well nourished children who get adequate vitamin A fare just fine with measles. Do not be afraid of whooping cough, because parents all over the world have been having a very easy time with whooping cough using high doses of vitamin C and homeopathy – but you will not read about them in “peer reviewed literature” and your doctor doesn’t know about them, because only sick children – the ones they see and often create – get counted in the morbidity statistics. But the healthy children who uneventfully pass illnesses through them never touch the medical system and thus are not counted. The morbidity of most childhood diseases comes from just a few things; infant formula, cow’s milk, common medical drugs, malnutrition, and vaccines. All of these things are completely avoidable in the USA and many other countries and that is WHY we see so many healthy unvaccinated children when we look.

    There is sooo much propaganda to promote getting shots/vaccines/drugs which, in My personal opinion, cannot be trusted any longer.
    Call me paranoid All you like, but having observed our governments these last few years..the pervasive and systemic corruption, and the total taking away of our rights, GMOs, etc.. I simply have Zero faith in governments, medical industry, banks, and police.
    Medicine definitely has its place but, too often, it is so unnecessary!!! Here are some scary numbers!
    http://preventdisease.com/news/12/072612_When-Its-Time-For-a-Health-Check-up-Avoiding-Your-Doctor-Can-Save-Your-Life.shtml

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  203. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    One family’s’ story WITH GREAT REFERENCES!
    http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2012-07-16/15-science-journal-links-proving-asthma-allergy-autism-links-to-vaccines/
    Explained for anyone who takes the time to read it. Outlined in scientific journals and on PubMed, a database accessing the MEDLINE references and abstracts and maintained by the United States National Library of Medicine (NLM) at the National Institutes of Health.
    “The answers. Staring at me in black and white. The answers I hoped not to find. The blame, squarely on my shoulders for not doing the research before it was too late.
    And that is why parents who have done the research are so vocal. It’s not about us. It’s not about blame. It’s about sparing you from making the same mistakes we did. It’s about your children and above all else, our desire to protect them.
    We are here for you…
    Read the fifteen journal links below. See what you think. If you want more, there are many, many more. You can search PubMed for keywords and read until your eyes are bleary. And it’s not just about autism.”
    You will find the links on her page

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  204. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    REALLY??!!!!! People think vaccines do good and they aren’t about making billions! This vaccine thing is getting RIDICULOUS!!!

    ‘Flab jab’ could provide obesity breakthrough: An obesity vaccine has been developed that uses the immune system to keep the body slim
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9384856/Flab-jab-could-provide-obesity-breakthrough.html#disqus_thread

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  205. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    In the United States over 25 percent of children and teens are taking two prescription drugs [2] in addition to all the vaccinations that are mandated in the USA. Let’s consider something those who should be considering apparently are not:
    If governments truly are concerned about the health of toddlers, teens, and children in general, they ought to realize the health statistics they gather document that kids are getting more sick—especially with chronic diseases—than at any time in recorded history. I agree there are more children on the face of the earth, but if one takes into account demographics regarding diseases, one has to question what really is going on. It seems the more pharmaceutical toxins that are pumped into children starting as soon as they exit the womb, plus adults and senior citizens, the more statistical demographics indicate higher percentages of disease patterns. No kidding!

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  206. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    Something to, at least, think about…vaccines don’t cause Autism. They cause demyelination, which eats the myelin sheath, paving the way for neurological damage to occur. THAT CAUSES AUTISM!! A demyelinating disease is any disease of the nervous system in which the myelin sheath of neurons is damaged.[1] This impairs the conduction of signals in the affected nerves, causing impairment in sensation, movement, cognition, or other functions depending on which nerves are involved.
    The term describes the effect of the disease, rather than its cause; some demyelinating diseases are caused by genetics, some by infectious agents, some by autoimmune reactions, and some by unknown factors. Organophosphates, a class of chemicals which are the active ingredients in commercial insecticides such as sheep dip, weed-killers, and flea treatment preparations for pets, etc., will also demyelinate nerves.

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  207. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    We have incredible healthcare these days, no doubt about that! The medical world, definitely, has its place. It’s truly amazing how far we have come, the things we can treat/cure, and the availability of needed medicine/s. But, I don’t see how all these vaccines (toxins/animal parts/things NOT meant to be in our bodies) fit into good medical practice!? And, YES, our IMMUNE SYSTEM is AMAZING!!! So, why do we need to have injection after injection after injection of bodily poisons to “stay healthy”?? Why is it they say, “mass immunization is the best way to keep ourselves/families healthy” ?? Why don’t they say, eat healthy/exercise/get proper sleep/work at a balanced lifestyle to keep a strong and healthy immune system to prevent getting diseases/serious illness? I know, I know!! It’s because there is a huge market for this sort of thing..billions worth! Tell everyone that vaccination is necessary and scare the poo out of people (especially parents)! Then we will keep all these crazy diseases/illnesses in circulation with our vaccines to make sure those sheeple keep coming back!! CRIMINAL!!

    With such an AMAZING health care system why do we see more and more diseases and illnesses in our world, especially, if vaccines/drugs are working so great??

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  208. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    An awesome quote from Buddha,
    “Every human being is the author of his own health or disease.”

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  209. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Vaccination is NOT immunization!! Just in case you forgot or passed the first post (:

    General Recommendations on Immunization. By the US Dept. of Health and Human Services and the CDC
    .
    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/rr/rr4301.pdf

    A QUOTE from the CDC…”Although persons often use vaccination and immunization interchangeably in reference to active immunization, the terms are not synonymous because the administration of an immunobiologic cannot automatically be equated with the development of adequate immunity.”

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  210. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    “Wisdom comes when you start living the life the creator intended.”
    Stop playing God and let nature take it’s course!! Thanks for reading and good luck to us all!!

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  211. Gray Falcon
    August 2, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Jennifer, do you really think volume overcomes reality?

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  212. Lawrence
    August 2, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    Jennifer – the website I posted has the answers to all of your misinformation.

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  213. Lawrence
    August 2, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Jennifer – nature isn’t benign…..there is a reason birth rates used to be so high and life spans so low.

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  214. Anti-abuse
    August 2, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    Jennifer: if you want to decline medical treatment, feel free. Just don’t expect people to stand by and let you neglect anyone that has the misfortune to depend on you for care.

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  215. Chris
    August 2, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Jennifer:

    There are also more than 3,500 reports in the Department of Health and Human Services’ (HHS) Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) about serious adverse events associated with the DTap-IPV-Hib vaccine.

    Funny, why were there only 74 claims on that vaccine here?

    Jennifer, what must you read and understand before entering the official VAERS database. Before you click on the button to enter it says “I have read and understand the preceding statement.” What does that preceding statement say?

    Plus you posted 13 comments between “August 2, 2012 at 5:33 pm | #196″ and ” August 2, 2012 at 5:46 pm | #209.” That is quite a feat of typing. What are you taking to make your fingers fly like that?

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  216. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Jennifer…thanks, very well said. I like you quote, here’s one of my favorites from an old guy called Albert Einstein, “To raise new questions, new possibilities, to regard old problems from a new angle, requires creative imagination and marks real advance in science.”

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  217. Chris
    August 2, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    jtubb13, did you ever find that citation that mentions how your daughter’s genetic disorder is affected by vaccines? And have you gathered up all of those medical records to submit to VAERS and a claim with NVICP? I left you the links on how to do that, and the submission to VAERS does not cost anything. So you really have no excuse to not follow through.

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  218. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Thank you Chris

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  219. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    To be quite honest with you Gray Falcon..I take this issue VERY seriously!
    I have been working on this blog since it first went up! I have a 2.5 year old…doesn’t allow you the time to sit and write what you want to write and be done with it. (:
    It started out short and to the point, then I couldn’t stop!
    I tried posting the whole thing this morning but it wouldn’t post. I tried again and it said my comment is awaiting moderation.
    So I had to post my, one page, blog as many pages.

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  220. Chris
    August 2, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Jennifer, what must you read and understand before you enter the official VAERS database?

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  221. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    jtubb13

    Thank you! I love that quote too! There are so many that, just, make sense (:
    So sorry that you have to deal with vaccine reaction, especially, with your daughter! I couldn’t even imagine! I wish you the best of luck (:

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  222. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    Jtdubbs, when you share your personal story then you should be willing to go all the way to support your claim.

    You have lied about your daughter being vaccine injured and when others ask you to verify your claim you say it is too personal. I’m with Lawrence. What a crock!

    Again, why should we believe a liar that refuses to provide any evidence? Why should we treat a liar with respect?

    You say that her doctors agree with you? Well that’s hard to believe since your supposed mechanism of vaccine injury is bogus and you have already lied. How do I know you aren’t lying about what the doctors said? Heresay is an even lower form of evidence than your personal story.

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  223. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    @Jennifer….contrary to what some believe here….diet, biomedical, and therapy are all working well….she is probably 90% recovered and well on her way to a full recovery! It will happen 🙂

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  224. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Hi Kelly

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  225. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    Gray Falcon..”Jennifer, if the human body were a tenth as susceptible to “toxins” as you claim we are, we’d all be dead now.”

    I am all about the germs, toxins, and illnesses! As long as they are from natural immunity..being exposed to these things in the real world. Not from someone injecting it into my body.

    Instead, with the BILLIONS of dollars they are making…Let’s create vaccines that are much safer, then have people drink them to put it in their bodies. At least the body could go through a natural process of filtration/detox. The immune system would be able to react how it is suppose to, creating more of a natural immunity.

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  226. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    jtubb13

    That is awesome! That has to be a huge relief!!

    I can’t believe I didn’t get one response from Kelly…just a little disappointed!
    Hi Kelly (:

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  227. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    First I must say that your beliefs don’t make you a better person, your behavior does!!

    Totally agree and the behavior of anti-vaxers is totally appalling. I have yet to meet an honest anti-vaxer. They put others at risk. They are selfish. They are arrogant. It really is shocking how they interrupt the conversation by posting complete nonsnse that is inaccurate and irrelevant and wonder why nobody respects them.

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  228. jtubb13
    August 2, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    @Jennifer…do you have a a personal blog?

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  229. Chris
    August 2, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    Jennifer, what must you read and understand before entering the VAERS database from its official website:
    http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index

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  230. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Chris

    Sorry if I scrambled that, I wasn’t claiming for just the one vaccine.
    I was looking at the Claims Filed and Compensated or Dismissed below.

    The only point of that was to show, on a “credible” website, that there are many cases of injury/illness/death (?) that are reported. The numbers seem to be rising! Even with our amazing healthcare, healthy options, and ALL of the new medications.

    If there are that many questionable outcomes of vaccines (their ingredients list doesn’t help)
    I just can’t see taking that chance with my life and, especially, my daughter’s.

    Claims Filed and Compensated or Dismissed by Vaccine 1 July 2, 2012
    Vaccines Listed in Claims as Reported by Petitioners
    Vaccine(s) Filed Compensated Dismissed
    Injury Death Total
    DT (diphtheria-tetanus) 64 9 73 22 50
    DTP
    (diphtheria-tetanus-whole cell pertussis) 3,282 696 3,978 1,266 2,698
    DTP-HIB 16 8 24 4 19
    DTaP
    (diphtheria-tetanus-acellular pertussis) 334 76 410 148 179
    DTaP-Hep B-IPV 52 22 74 22 22
    DTaP-HIB 6 1 7 4 2
    DTaP-IPV-HIB 6 4 10 0 3
    Td (tetanus-diphtheria) 167 3 170 87 62
    Tdap 90 0 90 37 5
    Tetanus 81 2 83 30 35
    Hepatitis A (Hep A) 47 2 49 12 14
    Hepatitis B (Hep B) 577 51 628 211 355
    Hep A- Hep B 12 0 12 7 1
    Hep B-HIB 8 0 8 3 2
    HIB (Haemophilus influenzae type b) 22 3 25 9 12
    HPV (human papillomarvirus) 174 9 183 29 41
    Influenza (Trivalent) 795 48 843 393 96
    IPV (Inactivated Polio) 262 14 276 7 266
    OPV (Oral Polio) 280 28 308 158 149
    Measles 143 19 162 55 107
    Meningococcal 24 1 25 11 2
    MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) 845 56 901 331 462
    MMR-Varicella 21 1 22 7 5
    MR 15 0 15 6 9
    Mumps 10 0 10 1 9
    Pertussis 5 3 8 2 6
    Pneumococcal Conjugate 30 4 34 7 20
    Rotavirus 52 1 53 28 15
    Rubella 189 4 193 70 123
    Varicella 67 6 73 38 20
    Nonqualified2 71 9 80 0 79
    Unspecified3 5,407 7 5,414 4 4,372
    TOTAL 13,154 1,087 14,241 3,009 9,241
    1 The number of claims filed by vaccine as reported by petitioners in claims since the VICP began on October 1, 1988, which have been compensated or dismissed by the U.S. Court of Federal Claims (Court). Claims can be compensated by a settlement between parties or a decision by the Court.
    2 Claims filed for vaccines which are not covered under the VICP.
    3 Insufficient information submitted to make a determination. The majority of these claims are part of the Omnibus Autism Proceedings.

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  231. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    3,009 people (their data) that were compensated. We all know that if they believed the vaccines didn’t injure these people, they WOULDN’T have paid!!

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  232. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    jtubb13

    I don’t have a blog but I’m seriously considering writing a book (:

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  233. Lawrence
    August 2, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    @jennifer – 3000 out of how many millions, tens of millions of doses of vaccines administered?

    That’s a better safety record than driving, flying in an airplane or even walking down the street.

    You have a better chance winning the Powerball, getting struck by lightning or attacked by a shark than suffering a severe vaccine reaction.

    Care to explain your overwhelming concern, instead of directing your enthusiasm to actually dangerous items, like cars, perhaps?

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  234. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Do you/did you read any information/links given on this blog??
    Are you so closed minded that you can’t even see past your anger and hate?
    I’m not telling people what to do with their bodies. Only encouraging people to know both sides of the story before jumping to a conclusion for themselves.
    What people do with the info…up to them.

    You have spouted out, your opinion, on so many posts and still haven’t posted anything other than repeated words from your older posts (and other’s too).
    You are all about the anti-vaxxers..not about the real issue!

    The reality is, for the most part, there are two sides to this huge debate/dilemma/controversy (whatever you want to call it)! Something has to give someday. There will, eventually, be one truth! What it will be…who knows! I just hope we all make it through until then (:

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  235. Chris
    August 2, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Jennifer, what must you read and understand before using the VAERS database from its official website? It is a very simple quesition. All you have to do is click on the link I provided and read the page.

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  236. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    Jennifer, before there was a measles vaccine, the entire birth cohort would get measles. How much do you think it would cost and how many claims would there be if we compensated for measles?

    Just curious because you claim to have looked at both sides. You have only presented anti-vax misinformation based on misunderstanding VAERS and the adverse effects of the vaccines. So what’s the information on not vaccinating look like?

    And if you don’t like measles, you can puck any disease you like and compare the risks of vaccinating vs. not vaccinating.

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  237. Lawrence
    August 2, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    http://antiantivax.flurf.net/

    My turn. A simple step by step rebuttal of your anti-vaccine myths and misinformation.

    Read that Jennifer, if you have an open mind.

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  238. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    Lawrence

    “3000 out of how many millions, tens of millions of doses of vaccines administered?
    That’s a better safety record than driving, flying in an airplane or even walking down the street.”

    So…you’re telling me that one person’s life is more valuable than another’s? Mass vaccinate and who give a s*** what happens to the ones who can’t handle them?? Is this where you stand?

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  239. Chris
    August 2, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Jennifer, why does http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index have these words in front of the button you need to click before using the database: “I have read and understand the preceding statement.” ?

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  240. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Kelly..I’m glad, one again, you took someone else’s blog and referred to it on your own post! You are a very smart and clever girl! I don’t want to take the time to reply to you anymore. Good luck (:

    Lawrence..I will, definitely, check out the link you sent me (already up on a tab)
    I will get back to you later, when I get a few to read and comment. Thank you for, at least, being a good/mature debater and giving me something to go on. (:

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  241. Chris
    August 2, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Jennifer:

    Mass vaccinate and who give a s*** what happens to the ones who can’t handle them?? Is this where you stand?

    Can you please give us the title, journal and dates of the PubMed indexed papers that show that the DTaP vaccine is more dangerous than diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis?

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  242. Jennifer
    August 2, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Not sure Chris. I had it all written up and arranged better (more of a final paper) but when I posted, it didn’t work. I tried again and it posted for a few seconds then, somehow, it disappeared! I had to post my rough-draft into many posts! Was really disappointed but didn’t have the time to go back through and edit the whole thing…again.

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  243. Chris
    August 2, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    So you actually know what you must read and understand before using VAERS? You had trouble posting a few sentences?

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  244. Lara Lohne
    August 2, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Jennifer,

    I am educated on both sides. I can understand where Kelly is coming from. Every person who ever comments on pro-vaccine blogs, who is anti-vaccine always tries to say the same “Anti-Vaccine Top 10 List” as proof of their position. The problem being that top 10 list is filled with misconceptions, misinformation deliberately twisted to fit their beliefs, and logical fallacies which is also a twisting of facts to fit them into your belief system. Those same top 10 item have been debunked and debunked and debunked again by scientific study and research. Forgive us if we seem a little brusque, it gets old talking about the same thing over and over again and correcting the same misconceptions all the time.

    I absolutely love the oft used ‘people are livestock’ trick, because when you really, honestly look at this whole, big, entire picture thing, unless you are purposefully deluding yourself or have some major mental disorders, those who don’t take the word of anti-vacciners at face value but research to see ‘both sides’, are really the ones who are not following what someone told them, we are thinking for ourselves, and acting on what that thinking reveals to us is the proper/best course of action.

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  245. Chris
    August 2, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Jennifer, perhaps this comment on VAERS will help you answer the question.

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  246. Heart mom
    August 2, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Lawrence :
    @novalox – I always find it funny that the biggest complaint is that Pharmaceutical companies make a “profit” which is kind of the point of a any company out there, but god forbid we criticize people like Mercola or Null, who make a profit on their quack cures and treatments……
    They also seem to leave out the hundreds of millions of dollars that are spent on drugs and treatments that never get through testing. For every one drug that makes it to market, anywhere from 100 to 1000 drugs never do – all of which are paid for, not by us, but by the companies developing them.
    I mean, Viagra may be viewed as a big waste of money, but its success has allowed for the development of many other, less profitable & orphan treatments, that otherwise would have never been brought to market.
    So, I guess in the anti-vax mind, Capitalism is bad – unless it is Good….or something like that.

    I’ve always thought this hilarious as well. Big pharma making money =bad. But it is totally awesome for Mercola to live in a $2million mansion, bought using money from Big alterna medicine. Totally cool to sell remedies that are nothing morre than water pills, or fruit in a pill and mark it up to $20. But, life saving drugs, no way buddy? We can’t be having any actual working medicine! Seriously boggles the mind! And I love that Shot of Preventions is doing this! I hope that many more vaccines can be provided to help keep many more children safe!

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  247. Kelly
    August 2, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    So you don’t want to be bothered to look at the consequences of not vaccinating? What happened to that big speech about looking at both side? Did you lie about that too?

    Here’s a hint: approximately 500 deaths were reported due to measles every single year. How many deaths have been due to the MMR? And not just reported in VAERS. I want the number of actual deaths confirmed to be caused by this vaccine.

    This should be easy for you since death is such an important endpoint to you.

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  248. Lawrence
    August 2, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    @jennifer- let’s take your statement and change a couple of things:

    How dare we sacrifice one life for the convenience of air travel. Don’t you care about those that died or were hurt in plane crashes?

    Air travel should be banned until you can guarantee not a single person will ever be harmed by an airplane…..

    How much sense does that argument make Jennifer?

    With any medical treatment, there may be a chance of a side effect. We try to limit them as much as possible and we can point to decades of testing, post-administration safety surveillance, population studies, and even VAERS to show that vaccines are overwhelmingly safe and effective.

    For that vanishingly small percentage which due suffer a negative reaction, the Vaccine Court was created, funded entirely by taxing the Vaccine Industry, with a substantially reduced burden of proof (prove reasonable causation, 50% and a feather) and no adversarial process, i.e the Manufacturers don’t get to present a defense.

    If that isn’t enough, plaintiffs can still sue in civil court, regardless of what the anti-vaccine advocates try to claim about immunity to the contrary.

    You found 3000 claims paid – how many car insurance claims are paid on a daily basis? More than 3000, I’m sure. Yet hundreds of millions of doses of vaccines have been administered. You are talking about a percentage approaching 0.00001% based on number of vaccines given.

    Any industry in the world would die to have that kind of safety record.

    Where is your righteous indignation towards carmakers or the airlines. They are much more demonstratively less safe than the vaccine program.

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  249. Chris
    August 2, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Jennifer:

    One family’s’ story WITH GREAT REFERENCES!

    Not really.

    Explained for anyone who takes the time to read it. Outlined in scientific journals and on PubMed, a database accessing the MEDLINE references and abstracts and maintained by the United States National Library of Medicine (NLM) at the National Institutes of Health.

    I was highly amused the list included a Medical Hypothesis paper written by a lawyer.

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  250. Christine Vara
    August 2, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Day 2 of Shot@Life’s Blogust relay: For every comment received on the following blog post today a $20 donation will be made to Shot@Life. This $20 will help provide 4 essential life saving vaccines to a child in a developing country. Simply comment at http://www.cc-chapman.com/2012/clarence-smith-jr/. Thank you!

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  251. Lara Lohne
    August 3, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Thank you, Christina, for reminding us all what the original topic is about and getting us back on track! You’re awesome.

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  252. lilady
    August 3, 2012 at 7:18 am

    While you are online Christina, would you kindly review these redundant anti-vaccine posts. Many of them are now resorting to filthy language directed at other commenters. Thank you.

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  253. Jennifer
    August 3, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Biblical Reasons Not to Vaccinate

    Public law 97-280 passed by Congress of the United States of America declares the Bible to be the “Word of God” and directs citizens to “Study and apply the teachings of the Holy Scriptures”.

    It is a fact that the vaccine manufactures and the abortion industry have been working together since the 1960’s using aborted baby tissue to develop vaccines on. This tissue is often referred to as Human Diploid Tissue in the literature. The vaccines currently being made with aborted baby tissue are the Hepatitis A, Measles Vaccine, (MMR) Rubella vaccine and some flu vaccines. Many other vaccines are contaminated with animal viruses that are foreign to the human body and can cause serious health problems.

    The Bible teaches that the truthfulness of an issue is to be sought and should stand on no less than two or more witnesses. (Deuteronomy 19:15).

    The following is the result of a study on biblical parental responsibility in regards to the practice of unclean, unsafe vaccines:
    A diligent study on vaccine safety and effectiveness reveals that there are many informed and qualified researchers and doctors who have found and teach that there are many serious health risks involved with vaccines. The Comprehensive Child Health Immunizations Act of 1993 made known the fact that there are risks to vaccinations by stating “Vaccine information should be simplified to ensure that parents understand the benefits and risks”. Congressional Records (2000 – 2003) have shown that the pharmaceutical companies are more concerned with profit than they are with safety and have knowingly used toxins in the manufacturing of vaccines regardless of the risks.
    The Bible teaches us that children are a gift from God (1 Timothy 5:8). Some vaccines are produced using aborted baby lung tissue, which is man and government profiting from the murder of our innocent children. To partake in vaccines is to support those individuals/government who no longer have respect for the sanctity of human life.
    The Bible teaches that the parents are entrusted with the care and welfare of the child. (1 Timothy 5:8). Parents, not the state, are responsible to make health care decisions on behalf of their children.
    The Bible also teaches that there have been times in history when evil government and government employees have attempted, through force or color of law, to intimidate, harm or destroy the children of God’s people. (Exodus 1 and 2 and Matthew 2). Therefore, if a parent feels that vaccines are not safe, it is their responsibility to defend our children from and individual or government who is attempting to subject our children to those vaccine risks.
    The Bible teaches that the body is “The temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own. For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.” (1 Corinthians 6:19-20) To inject known neurotoxins into our children or ourselves, which have known health risks, would be a violation of these biblical teachings.
    The Bible teaches that there are clean and unclean animals and that God’s people are not to put the unclean into their bodies. Many vaccines are made from the blood of diseased animals, decomposed animal parts and are not sterile.
    The Bible teaches that when man’s law contradicts God’s law, His people must obey God over man. (Acts 5:29). Therefore, be it known, should any policy, edict or legislation of man decree our children must be vaccinated, we must obey God rather than man just as Moses’ parents of old, we will do so without fear. (Exodus 2).
    The Bible teaches us that we are not to harm or wrong our neighbor. (Romans 13:10 and James 2:8) Our decision to decline vaccines does not wrong or threatens our neighbor. If vaccines were truly effective, the neighbor would not be in danger from someone who is not vaccinated.
    Therefore, be it known, that based upon the teachings of the Holy Bible, it is our religious conviction not to have our children our ourselves vaccinated. We desire to be at peace with those who may feel or think differently than we do on this issue and that is why we humbly explain the choice we have made. We will protect our bodies and our children from the injection of neurotoxins, retroviruses and foreign animal proteins that are in vaccinations.

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  254. Chris
    August 3, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Jennifer, what must you read and understand before using the VAERS database at http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index ?

    So the Reagan administration instituted a “Year of the Bible”, what does a religious document have to do with modern science? Especially when much of the above screed is just wrong.

    If vaccines were truly effective, the neighbor would not be in danger from someone who is not vaccinated.

    Except the neighbor’s new baby is in danger from someone who is not vaccinated. And putting babies too young to be vaccinated in danger is just evil.

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  255. August 3, 2012 at 11:52 am

    @Jennifer – that may be the most ridiculous screeds I’ve ever read.

    If you’ve read the Bible, you’d see all of the contradictions – including support of Slavery, stoning for adultery, death penalty for wearing two different cloths, plus plenty of support for genocide and mass-killing of non-believers…..there are several billion people on this planet that could care less what the Bible has to say – it isn’t a scientific document – it was a book written by superstitious goat-herders more than 2500 years ago & changed over and over again across the ages.

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  256. Kelly
    August 3, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Wow Jennifer, just when I thought my opinion of you couldn’t sink any lower you demonstrate your callous disregard for the welfare of children by posting a misunderstanding of vaccines and the Bible.

    You keep telling yourself those lies if it makes you feel better about yourself Jennifer, but don’t think you are making a favorable impression on anyone here.

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  257. Chris
    August 3, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    I am afraid that Jennifer does not really think, or even read, the screeds she cuts and pastes from random anti-vax websites. Which is why she cannot answer my simple question about what one needs to read and understand before using the VAERS database.

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  258. Jennifer
    August 3, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    The neighbor’s baby????? Ridiculous!
    If you are so scared of getting it from someone, vaccinated or not, keep your newborn home and away from the general public or anyone who is sick. Those general guidelines have been around forever!!!
    Vaccinated people pose just as much of a risk to those babies as the unvaccinated do!

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  259. August 3, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    @Jennifer – I’m glad you can easily identify all those individuals who may be sick with a vaccine-preventable disease….and since vaccines aren’t 100% effective, it is still possible (as evidenced by the recent pertussis outbreaks) to spread the disease.

    We do the best we can, but what you advocate is to do nothing & let nature take its course…..the last time we did that, infant mortality rates were much higher than today and lifespans were 1/2 of what they are now….nature isn’t benign, isn’t friendly, and doesn’t care if you live or die.

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  260. Chris
    August 3, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    So, Jennifer, what is your plan to protect a baby under the age of one from measles, mumps and chicken pox? And yet manage to get them in for the regular medical appointments, get groceries, get older children to school and not go stir crazy by being stuck in the house for a full year? And do we need to also keep older children in the house for a full year, even though they are old enough to go to elementary school? Should the spouse quit work for a year, so he/she does not bring home pertussis?

    My daughter was six months old when she caught chicken pox from her four year old brother, who got it at preschool. He was infectious two weeks before his rash started, and her rash started two weeks after his first rash. So I am very interested in your answer.

    And I am still waiting for you to tell us exactly what a person must read and understand before accessing the VAERS database at http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index ? Have you even clicked on the link to read it?

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  261. Jennifer
    August 3, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    I’m on my way out into the infected world right now lol.
    My daughter is almost 3. We started going out in many, public, places when she was 5 weeks old. She is unvaccinated and is still alive lol. She is also VERY healthy and active! She has had a stuffy nose 2x and a slight fever during teething. NOTHING else to speak of! She goes to her wellness check-ups and get a great report card every time from her pediatrician.

    Again, tried to post, it is awaiting moderation.

    I’ll re-post it and get back to you when I have some time.

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  262. August 3, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    @Jennifer – yes, your “un-vaccinated” daughter can go out in the world & pretty much come away unscathed (for the moment) because of the high rate of vaccination in the general population.

    Vaccine-preventable diseases can be much worse in older teens and adults – so if your daughter catches something later in life, she is going to have a great risk of complications and side effects.

    Very nice of you to sit in your nice safe vaccine cocoon that the rest of us provide…….

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  263. Chris
    August 3, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Jennifer:

    We started going out in many, public, places when she was 5 weeks old. She is unvaccinated and is still alive lol.

    That does not answer my question. If everyone did what you did, then your child would not have been protected through high immunity from your community.

    And I am still waiting for you to tell us exactly what a person must read and understand before accessing the VAERS database at http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index ? Have you even clicked on the link to read it? You have had more than a day to answer that.

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  264. Lara Lohne
    August 3, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Jennifer, things will change when she goes to school. Being the mother of 6 children, all of them fully vaccinated, they were all just as healthy and strong as your children were until they went to school. The exposure circle becomes much broader when they are placed into larger groups. You can’t ever know, until it happens, when someone will expose something to your child.

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  265. Amy Pisani
    August 6, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Amber, I rarely find myself getting sucked in enough to feel the need to respond to people like you but after reading what you wrote about the convenience of a vaccine being available at the time of outbreaks is ridiculous. Worst of all, you accuse families of lying when they have the courage to tell their heartbreaking stories after losing a child to a vaccine preventable disease. My own son was hospitalized, not once but two years in a row as an infant, due to influenza. We are so blessed that he survived both episodes. I personally know many of the families who care enough about the children of complete strangers that they are willing to recount their horrifying experiences after losing their children in order to prevent it from happening to anyone else. Shame on you…shame on you.

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  266. Jennifer
    August 6, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Lara, I agree with what you are saying and she is around kids/babies quite often. I am a nanny of two, fully vaccinated, children (3/5). They both go to school part-time and have colds/issues often. I know they have to bring it home to all of us but, so far, haven’t had anything beyond a couple stuffy noses and slight fever while teething. The parents have a section of their counter, dedicated to OTC child medications.
    We go to the gym daycare four days a week, gymnastics open play once a week, and moms’ group activities. We stay very active and social.
    You really can’t know who/where/when/how, you or your kids, could pick something up from somebody. I’m just saying it is my choice to decide for my family what I believe to be the safer approach, just as everyone else should be free to choose. I’m more afraid of my daughter being in that percentage (whether small or not) of people who are affected/injured/killed by vaccination. Whether it’s the actual cocktail of ingredients, the many, many shots on the schedule, the body’s own genetic disaster, or any other reason…I just don’t feel it’s safe enough.
    There is a big difference between a business and a corporation these days (always exceptions). They have soooo much to gain!! The FDA/CDC/Government ETC. all tell us (the gist) that vaccines are the best way to stay healthy (I have a problem with that statement alone) and that the good outweighs the bad.
    McDonald’s, another billion dollar corporation, wants to profit and make money too. They even added “healthy” options. It must be good for us too?? They are both (for extreme profit) businesses who need good marketing and advertising to promote their product and keep people coming back!
    The problem I have with vaccine marketing is that they advertise with fear and cause hysteria. They don’t offer anything about the risks or, possible, side effects of these drugs and people are made to believe they HAVE to vaccinate. Why isn’t it put out there like any other drug?? If so many people are questioning the safety and efficacy of vaccines, why don’t they take the billions of dollars they are making and come up with safer vaccines to make everyone feel better about having their babies/kids vaccinated? Why not take an individual approach to vaccination just like they do with every other aspect of medicine/health??

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  267. Jennifer
    August 6, 2012 at 11:49 am

    AGAIN…I am not against the idea of vaccination or against any company making money…except when the money becomes BIGGER than the objective of helping people! I am also against the QUESTIONABLE efficacy of the vaccines, their toxic ingredients, and all the BS propaganda they use to scare people (especially parents) into believing it’s safe and necessary! Isn’t there any kind of limit (moral or not) to what they are making money on and how forceful they are about it?? Just as I shouldn’t tell you whether you can smoke or not..nobody should tell me what I can or can’t do with my own body!! We should ALL be informed and have TRUTHFUL, public, information (good/bad/ugly) about all of our choices/options/treatments/medical care/etc…
    Very surprised nobody commented on the “flab jab”…the vaccine for obesity!
    Is this just accepted as the next level of not having to be healthy or RESPONSIBLE for OUR OWN HEALTH!?
    -REALLY??!!!!! People think vaccines do good and they aren’t about making billions! This vaccine thing is getting RIDICULOUS!!!
    ‘Flab jab’ could provide obesity breakthrough: An obesity vaccine has been developed that uses the immune system to keep the body slim
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9384856/Flab-jab-could-provide-obesity-breakthrough.html#disqus_thread
    Lawrence…I don’t have time, right now, to write you back but I’m not done with you yet!
    lilady…teacher, teacher, they said something I didn’t like! Tell them to stop! REALLY…the tattletale approach!? Grow up!
    Chris…I find it amusing that you deem every article/person/source as not being credible. They are people too just like the ones who say vaccines are safe. On both sides there are doctors, scientists, chemists, and ordinary people from all walk of life/experience. The antivax are bringing the dangerous/risky side of vaccination (deny there are some?) to the table so, ALL, people can make THEIR OWN informed choice! If you think there are no risks or that the benefits outweigh the risks just wait. Time will tell! Regardless of what “they” say (either side) use your own mind!

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  268. Jennifer
    August 6, 2012 at 11:53 am

    You all praise vaccination like it was our savior! It was clean water, sanitation, and the ability to prevent infection!
    How the hell did my grandparents make it or my parents for that matter?? They didn’t have many, if any, vaccinations or much of the medical intervention/interference/knowledge we have today. My grandparents are healthier than most younger people I know. They are all 3 in their late 80′s/90′s and thriving! My (1) grandpa just died 2 years ago and it was because he had cancer in his lungs from his time in the service, working in the Navy shipyards. Thousands of workers became ill with serious lung diseases such as mesothelioma, lung cancer and asbestos.
    He died in his 90′s with no prior knowledge of having lung cancer. His doctor told him that he never noticed or was affected because he was so healthy. They even offered treatment for him which they rarely do when someone is that old. He refused the treatment and told the doctor that he has lived a very fulfilling life and if God wanted to take him, it must be his time to go. What an example of a man!! We should all strive to be that healthy…NATURALLY!
    There is a reason they/we call it a medical PRACTICE and we (the people) are the ones they practice on!
    Medicine definitely has its place but, too often, it is so unnecessary!!! Here are some scary numbers!
    In the United States over 25 percent of children and teens are taking two prescription drugs [2] in addition to all the vaccinations that are mandated in the USA. Let’s consider something those who should be considering apparently are not:
    If governments truly are concerned about the health of toddlers, teens, and children in general, they ought to realize the health statistics they gather document that kids are getting more sick, especially with chronic diseases, than at any time in recorded history. I agree there are more children on the face of the earth, but if one takes into account demographics regarding diseases, one has to question what really is going on. It seems the more pharmaceutical toxins that are pumped into children starting as soon as they exit the womb, plus adults and senior citizens, the more statistical demographics indicate higher percentages of disease patterns. No kidding!
    http://preventdisease.com/news/12/072612_When-Its-Time-For-a-Health-Check-up-Avoiding-Your-Doctor-Can-Save-Your-Life.shtml
    Can someone answer my question from my post?
    We are born with an AMAZING IMMUNE SYSTEM and live in a time where we have amazing healthcare, healthy options, clean water, abundant food choices, and sanitation (always exceptions)!!!
    So, why do we need to have injection after injection after injection of bodily poisons to “stay healthy”?? Why is it they say, “mass immunization is the best way to keep ourselves/families healthy” ?? Why don’t they say, eat healthy/exercise/get proper sleep/work at a balanced lifestyle to keep a strong and healthy immune system to prevent getting diseases/serious illness?
    If you choose not to vaccinate..KNOW why you are not vaccinating!!
    If you choose to vaccinate..KNOW why you are vaccinating!
    My doctor told me to, they say it’s safe, everyone does it, my kids can’t go to school, etc..these are not good reasons!
    KNOW for yourself..both sides before you make such a critical decision!
    If you decide to vaccinate, Ask 8! What You Need to Know Before & After Vaccination.
    Here is an article from the NVIC (National Vaccine Information Center)
    http://www.nvic.org/Ask-Eight-Questions.aspx

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  269. Gray Falcon
    August 6, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Jennifer, when most people say they studied both side of the issue, they mean they actually learned what both were saying. Did you ever bother to find out what life was like before vaccines were developed?

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  270. Jennifer
    August 6, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Lawrence…I don’t even know how to respond to you because your comparisons of airplanes and cars to vaccination are ridiculous.

    People did suffer horribly with illnesses/diseases before vaccines. Even with all the vaccines, treatments, and cures available today, people are still suffering/dying from numerous things! Why so many new diseases/disorders/illnesses we never saw or heard of before vaccination/over-diagnosis/over-medicating?? They have a pill for everything these days! Don’t want/have time to exercise? Don’t worry, the FDA approved a weight loss pill so you don’t have to! Oh no! That pill doesn’t really work for everyone and people are having issues with it…better recall it and come up with something better! RIDICULOUS!!!
    When you compare the number of people who died from these illnesses/diseases we, now, vaccinate against…it is also relatively small compared to the population.

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  271. Jennifer
    August 6, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    You all claim that the sources that we (anti-vax) have obtained our information is misleading and not credible.
    Who is credible? Give me some credible resources to go with!

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  272. Kelly
    August 6, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Jennifer :
    You all claim that the sources that we (anti-vax) have obtained our information is misleading and not credible.
    Who is credible? Give me some credible resources to go with!

    The WHO has compiled a list of credible resources here: http://www.who.int/immunization_safety/safety_quality/vaccine_safety_websites/en/index.html

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  273. Gray Falcon
    August 6, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Jennifer, each time we give you a credible source, you dismiss them out of hand as propaganda.

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  274. Jennifer
    August 6, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Yes I have Gray. I do not believe people were saved because of vaccines. I think the original creator of the Polio vaccine was really onto something and that it did help some of the polio cases back in the day. I think what some went through is/was horrible and I don’t wish that on anyone. Today, even with vaccines and amazing care/medicine, people are still suffering/getting sick/dying! There are also many diseases/illnesses that weren’t heard of back then. Why??

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  275. Jennifer
    August 6, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    WHO is the directing and coordinating authority for health within the United Nations system. It is responsible for providing leadership on global health matters, shaping the health research agenda, setting norms and standards, articulating evidence-based policy options, providing technical support to countries and monitoring and assessing health trends.

    They are an authority for health. You don’t think any of these companies/businesses are getting funded or paid by the pharmaceutical companies to promote vaccines/medicine?
    How bout some credible sources that aren’t on the inside of the industry? Science based facts??

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  276. Gray Falcon
    August 6, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    G

    Jennifer :
    Yes I have Gray. I do not believe people were saved because of vaccines. I think the original creator of the Polio vaccine was really onto something and that it did help some of the polio cases back in the day. I think what some went through is/was horrible and I don’t wish that on anyone. Today, even with vaccines and amazing care/medicine, people are still suffering/getting sick/dying! There are also many diseases/illnesses that weren’t heard of back then. Why??

    Even though we have police, there are still crimes! Does that mean having law enforcement is useless!
    Seriously, where are your statistics?

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  277. Gray Falcon
    August 6, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Jennifer :
    WHO is the directing and coordinating authority for health within the United Nations system. It is responsible for providing leadership on global health matters, shaping the health research agenda, setting norms and standards, articulating evidence-based policy options, providing technical support to countries and monitoring and assessing health trends.
    They are an authority for health. You don’t think any of these companies/businesses are getting funded or paid by the pharmaceutical companies to promote vaccines/medicine?
    How bout some credible sources that aren’t on the inside of the industry? Science based facts??

    How do I know I can trust you? For all I know, you could be working for the large medical companies, knowing that caring for sick people costs far more than prevention.

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  278. August 6, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    @Jennifer – Did you even read the website I gave:

    http://antiantivax.flurf.net/

    There is plenty of information there, along with a wide variety of sources.

    We’ve presented research papers & information from resources all around the world, including government agencies, international bodies, educational institutions, independent research foundations, etc – yet you still cling to beliefs that are unsupported by real scientific evidence.

    You demand 100% safety and efficiency from vaccines, yet you don’t demand the same level of confidence from everything in your life, do you? If you don’t understand the airplane / car reference, you need to look up the Nirvana & No True Scotsman fallacy….you fall victim to both.

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  279. Jennifer
    August 6, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    I have presented research and information as well. I do not demand or expect 100% safety for anything. Just 100% choice! I don’t think your comparison of car/airplane travel can be compared to vaccination.

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  280. Jennifer
    August 6, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    You all keep focusing on discrediting my sources and questioning my info. but nobody has given me any kind of answer for my question.

    Our IMMUNE SYSTEM is AMAZING!!! So, why do we need to have injection after injection after injection of bodily poisons/toxic cocktails to “stay healthy”?? Why is it they say, “mass immunization is the best way to keep ourselves/families healthy” ?? Why don’t they say, eat healthy/exercise/get proper sleep/stay away from others when sick/work at a balanced lifestyle to keep a strong and healthy immune system to prevent getting diseases/serious illness? With such an AMAZING health care system why do we see more and more diseases and illnesses in our world, especially, if vaccines/drugs are working so great??

    We have incredible healthcare these days, no doubt about that! The medical world, definitely, has its place. It’s truly amazing how far we have come, the things we can treat/cure, and the availability of needed medicine/s. But, I don’t see how all these vaccines (toxins/animal parts/things NOT meant to be in our bodies) fit into good medical practice!?

    What do you all think of this newly developed vaccine??
    Very surprised nobody commented on the “flab jab”…the vaccine for obesity!
    Is this just accepted as the next level of not having to be healthy or RESPONSIBLE for OUR OWN HEALTH!?
    -REALLY??!!!!! People think vaccines do good and they aren’t about making billions! This vaccine thing is getting RIDICULOUS!!!

    ‘Flab jab’ could provide obesity breakthrough: An obesity vaccine has been developed that uses the immune system to keep the body slim
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9384856/Flab-jab-could-provide-obesity-breakthrough.html#disqus_thread

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  281. Jennifer
    August 6, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    http://www.generationrescue.org/resources/vaccination/vaccine-ingredients-and-side-effects/

    Generation Rescue…a government website with a partial list of vaccine ingredients an their side effects.

    Is this site/page not credible either?

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  282. August 6, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    @jennifer – ummmm, Generation Rescue is not a government organization.

    Nor is that information any different than what is provided by your pediatrician before vaccinations.

    You want a choice, you have a choice….if you decide not to vaccinate, then your kids will be purposely limited in certain situations (like an outbreak of disease at school – for their own protection, they will be sent home).

    Childhood diseases aren’t fun, they aren’t benign, and they can have lasting consequences – like blindness, sterility, deafness, encephalitis, pneumonia, and other serious side-effects. Unfortunately, these side-effects occur much more often than the relatively mild known side-effects of vaccines.

    You can choose not to vaccinate your kids – and there is a good chance they will be perfectly fine – because enough of us still do vaccinate to reduce the overall risk of exposure. Unfortunately, as they get older, go to larger schools, interact with more people, travel, etc – those same kids now have an increased chance of catching those same diseases – and as teens and young adults, the overall risk of complications goes up, very significantly in most cases.

    As for a “healthy immune system” – our immune system has evolved over tens of thousands of years, but until very recently, it was a common occurrence for large outbreaks of disease – including Plague and Smallpox (not to mention Influenza, Typhoid, Cholera, etc,) to wipe out whole sections of populations.

    The Great Influenza Pandemic of 1918 – 1921 may have killed well over 50 million people worldwide – which, given the way the Flu easily mutates, could potentially happen again. It was discovered that many of the dead where individuals that were quite young and healthy – in fact, it was our very immune systems’ response to the Flu that may have contributed to the high death toll.

    Jennifer – try to do some real research on diseases first – realize what the risks are, not just to your family, but to others as well. Your choice does have the potential to affect others – make sure you are making the right one.

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  283. Lara Lohne
    August 6, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Jennifer,

    Cars and airplanes injure and kill far more people then vaccines ever did, yet you aren’t anti car or airplane. You are perfectly fine allowing your children to ride in a car, fly in an airplane, but you won’t protect them against diseases that maim and kill in far greater numbers then any of us could know since these diseases have been held at bay by high levels of vaccination for so long.

    Please also keep in mind, WHO, CDC, FDA etc, are not companies, businesses or corporations, but government organizations. They aren’t out to make a profit, and get their funding from tax payer dollars; yours, mine, those paid by the Mom and Pop grocery store down the street, Bill Gates and Microsoft and yeah, probably taxes paid by pharma companies too.

    I, personally, am disinclined to believe your claims regarding the health of your children. If they are out and interacting with people as you claim, they are going to get sick, even if it’s just a slight cold, with mild symptoms, it’s still infected and they are spreading it. Being the mother of 6 children, I know that unless you cocoon them in the home and never leave the house yourself, they will pick things up. Typically, their immune systems are strong enough to fight it and they get a little sniffle. Other times the disease is more aggressive and they might also get a fever and/or cough. But these are not VPDs, which are far more dangerous then a cold or even the flu, which still people die from. There is a reason vaccines were developed against these diseases, they damage people in a myriad of ways and have killed people as well, they even continue to kill people in developed countries that are experiencing epidemic levels of VPD due to low vaccine coverage now. The fewer people who are vaccinated, the more people we will see die from these diseases. That is a fact, just look at Europe.

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  284. Chris
    August 6, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    If this is the same “Jennifer” as before, why have you not answered my very simple question telling us exactly what a person must read and understand before accessing the VAERS database at http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index ?

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  285. Jennifer
    August 7, 2012 at 3:07 am

    Chris…I looked at the link you sent me more than once. I see ALL the info. on there. I don’t understand what you are trying, so hard, to get me to see??

    Here are my favorites from that page…

    VAERS data contains coincidental events and those truly caused by vaccines.

    LOVE THE NEXT ONE!!! WHY WOULD I RISK MY BABIES BEING ONE OF THEM??

    • More than 10 million vaccines per year are given to children less than 1 year old, usually between 2 and 6 months of age. At this age, infants are at greatest risk for certain medical adverse events, including high fevers, seizures, and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). Some infants will experience these medical events shortly after a vaccination by coincidence.
    • These coincidences make it difficult to know whether a particular adverse event resulted from a medical condition or from a vaccination. Therefore, vaccine providers are encouraged to report all adverse events following vaccination, whether or not they believe the vaccination was the cause.

    When reviewing data from VAERS, please keep in mind the following limitations:

    “Underreporting” is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS.
    The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a SMALL FRACTION of ACTUAL ADVERSE EVENTS.

    Must be in the disclaimer?

    DISCLAIMER: Please note that VAERS staff follow-up on all serious and other selected adverse event reports to obtain additional medical, laboratory, and/or autopsy records to help understand the concern raised.
    However, in general coding terms in VAERS do not change based on the information received during the follow-up process. VAERS data should be used with caution as numbers and conditions do not reflect data collected during follow-up. Note that the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not infer causality.

    LOOK AT WHAT IT SAYS!!!
    Coding terms do not change based on info. received during follow-up!
    WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT INFO IS, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER!!
    Data should be used with caution as numbers/conditions do not reflect data collected (good/bad/horrible??) during follow-up.
    THEY DON’T TELL YOU EITHER WAY!!
    The inclusion of events in their data does not infer causality.
    IT DOESN’T TELL YOU ANYTHING EXCEPT A BUNCH OF UNKNOWNS!!!

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  286. August 7, 2012 at 3:42 am

    Jennifer,

    They likely wouldn’t tell you because medical records are confidential and without written consent of the patient, or parent/guardian of the patient, it isn’t ever going to be made public knowledge. This is why the VAERS database should not be relied upon. In the event something is reported that turns out to be valid, (and in many cases there are some valid claims that don’t get reported to VAERS) that data is made part of the vaccine info sheets the doctors are required to hand you prior to each vaccine given. The risks of vaccination are not a secret, they are well known and accessible to anyone if you go to the CDC web site. While you’re there, you can read up on the risks from the diseases the vaccines prevent and perhaps gain a little insight into why we care so much about this.

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  287. Jennifer
    August 7, 2012 at 3:58 am

    Thank you Lara…I agree! It should not be relied upon by either side. My only point is that there are numbers on there and that is enough for me to think there is a possibility of my daughter having some kind of reaction…never know!

    I understand why people care about others getting illnesses and diseases…I am one of those people. I don’t want anyone sick or hurt!

    There are enough questions and questionable data for me to allow any of those toxic ingredients to be injected into my daughter’s little body!

    Did you look at the MSDS sheets and read the objective, scientific data or are you going to try and discredit the facts of each chemical??

    I think the chance of getting one of the serious diseases is pretty low.
    Your chances of getting killed by a serial killer are low too but don’t you still take some precautions to prevent becoming a statistic?

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  288. August 7, 2012 at 5:11 am

    There are many ways someone can become a statistic. I’m a survivor of three VPDs, (granted when I was a child there wasn’t a vaccine for varicella, but even if there had been, my mom wouldn’t have vaccinated me for it) one left me permanently damaged. I have a younger sister, also permanently damaged from a VPD. I’ve been a statistic since before I could vote, or make my own decision on vaccination. My youngest son is also a statistic. He has autism, but was not vaccinated until after his symptoms were obvious. Most of my siblings survived at least two VPDs, but the suffering we were made to endure was unnecessary.

    There is risk in everything, and yes, as long as the vast majority of parents have their children immunized the chances that your daughter will be exposed to a VPD are small. But with more and more parents opting out of immunization, VPDs are slowing making a come back. How long will it be before we see epidemic levels of pertussis or measles here like they have in Europe and Australia? We have already seen record numbers in the past few years that haven’t been since since the vaccines were available. As time progresses and as the number of vaccine refusers grows, that herd immunity that currently shields your daughter will dwindle and there may be gaps where the disease can get into the population.

    Of course once she’s in school, public health officials will do what they can to keep her safe in the case of an out break by removing her from school and requesting she stay away from public areas where exposure is high. It can be hard for a child to understand why they can’t play with their friends, or go to the mall or even go to school or the public park. Speaking from the prospective of an adult that grew up unvaccinated, there is always a chance your daughter will be infected if she isn’t vaccinated. I don’t know who it was that gave me pertussis, it could have been anyone, anywhere, at school, at my job, at the mall. I suspect I got mumps from a cousin who had it and my mom exposed me on purpose, like she did with chicken pox. But since I was six when I had mumps, and we spent a lot of time around extended family I can’t say that for certain. I was 18 months old when I had chicken pox, or so my mom told me. I don’t remember that, thankfully, but seeing my children suffer through it, those who were born before the vaccine was available, was heart wrenching. My youngest two have received the varicella vaccine so I don’t have to watch them suffer too.

    I am not trying to scare you, and I know the ingredients in vaccines can sound scary. But there isn’t anything in the vaccines that isn’t necessary, and many times, in the anti-vaccine literature regarding vaccine ingredients, they misrepresent what is actually there. Particularly with regards to human and animal DNA. I would highly recommend that you research each ingredient thoroughly so you are certain to have a full understanding of what goes in to a vaccine. All of that information is publicly accessible. Here is a good place to start: http://www.cdc.gov/VACCINes/vac-gen/additives.htm

    I wish you and your daughter the very best. Speaking as one mother to another, what if your daughter became a statistic of a VPD? You can’t know how a disease will affect her until it does. If there is permanent damage or death from it, you can’t change your mind after it’s done. If you are sincerely concerned, speak to her pediatrician. Open communication and a good relationship with him, or her, is essential for the two of you to keep your daughter healthy and strong. There are tests I believe that her doctor may be able to run that can see if she is at risk for a adverse reaction to vaccines. If she is, then vaccination for her would not be recommended anyway. The vast majority of people have no contraindications for vaccination though. Serious side effects are extremely rare, even the less serious ones don’t leave lasting damage and if any reaction is experienced most likely it would be mild, easily remedied with Tylenol and rest. Even mild reactions are not considered common and most have no reaction at all.

    If I may ask, how old is your daughter now? If your concern is autism, there are certain things to look for which will begin to exhibit at certain ages. If your daughter is at that age, unvaccinated and not exhibiting those characteristics of autism, then she isn’t going to have autism. With or without vaccines, a child will have autism, if they have it, will not have it, if they don’t. A vaccine will not change that, one way, or the other.

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  289. Chris
    August 7, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Jennifer:

    IT DOESN’T TELL YOU ANYTHING EXCEPT A BUNCH OF UNKNOWNS!!!

    Exactly. That is why it cannot be used as a primary source of data. It is what is called a “self-selected survey”, so it is unreliable.

    What they do with those reports is go over the various reports, and see if there is an issue with a vaccine. Sometimes they do find something, like with the RotaShield vaccine. Other times they don’t, especially if a person died in a car accident a few months afterwards. This is why we ask you and your friends to not use VAERS reports as “proof.”

    Do you understand how that works? Here is some further explanation.

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  290. Jen
    August 9, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Lara…I really do appreciate your genuine concern and your tact in your post. I understand that you suffered and I don’t wish that for anyone.

    The desire to find my own answers came only because my niece suffered a vaccine reaction. It was very scary! My family spent more than a week at Children’s because her doctors couldn’t figure it out. They poked her and poked her before giving her a bone marrow biopsy. From that point on I just had to know if it was really safe/good.

    After years of researching the controversy I , still believe, vaccinating her is the greater risk. I have researched/studied everything and anything about vaccinations. I’ve spent many, many hours sifting through all the information. I know that a lot of people will walk away, from an injection, and be just fine. But, there is a certain percentage that won’t. I can’t take that risk!

    It’s not about what anyone says/reports/writes about the ingredients in vaccines. They tell you that it is safe and there isn’t enough of the chemicals to be harmful. How much venom would it take to cause anaphylaxis?? Doesn’t take much at all!

    I have gone beyond the usual informative sites from either side. I resorted to looking at the MSDS sheets. They are the RAW Material Safety Data Sheets for each of the chemical ingredients found in those vials. They are put out there by the chemical manufacturers and is required to be kept anywhere the chemicals are used. THEY DON’T LIE OR DISCRIMINATE! This is not an option because people need to know what they are working/dealing with. They need to know the procedures for handling these toxic chemicals…from spills to exposure, it’s all covered.
    IT IS THE SCIENCE I AM BASING MY PROOF ON, NOT THE OPINIONS OF ANYONE!
    LOOK AT THE MSDS SHEETS AND SEE THE PROOF FOR YOURSELF. WHEN YOU DO, IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK, THEN TELL ME HOW IT IS OK IN ANY AMOUNT TO ALLOW IT TO BE INJECTED INTO MY DAUGHTER’S BODY!?

    Here is just the one for Formaldehyde…please read through this one and tell me how you think this is OK, in any amount!
    http://www.sesric.org/imgs/news/image/671-a-3.pdf

    TERATOGENIC EFFECTS: Classified POSSIBLE for human [Methyl alcohol]. DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available May cause damage to the following organs: kidneys, liver, central nervous system (CNS).

    Special Remarks on Chronic Effects on Humans:
    Exposure to Formaldehyde and Methanol may affect genetic material (mutagenic). Exposure to Formaldehyde and Methanol
    may cause adverse reproductive effects and birth defects(teratogenic). Adverse reproductive effects of Formaldehyde as well
    as Methanol are primarily based on animal studies. Very few human studies have been done on the adverse reproductive
    effects from exposure to Formaldehyde. Studies produced a weak association (limited evidence) between advese human
    female reproductive effects and occupational exposure. Furthermore, no human data could be found on adverse reproductive
    effects from occupational exposure to Methanol. Exposure to Formaldehyde may cause cancer.

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  291. Jen
    August 9, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    THIS IS A PRETTY AMAZING LIST OF SCARY STUFF…HOW MANY DROPS WOULD IT TAKE. JUST A TRACE?? DOESN’T LOOK ANYWHERE CLOSE TO SAFE!

    FORMALDEHYDE MSDS

    Special Remarks on other Toxic Effects on Humans:
    Acute Potential Health Effects: Skin: Corrosive. Causes skin irritation which may range from mild to severe with possible burns
    depending on the extent of exposure and concentration of solution. Other symptoms may include brownish discoloration of the
    skin, urticaria, and pustulovesicffular eruptions. May be absorbed through skin with symptoms paralleling those of ingestion.
    Eyes: Corrosive. Contact with liquid causes severe eye irritation and burns. It may cause irreversible eye damage (severe
    corneal Solutions containing low formaldehyde concentrations may produce transient discomfort and irritation. Inhalation:
    Causes irrititation of the respiratory tract (nose, throat, airways). Symptoms may include dry and sore mouth and throat,
    thirst, and sleep disturbances, difficulty breathing, shortness of breath, coughing, sneezing, wheezing rhinitis, chest tightness,
    pulmonary edema, bronchitis, tracheitis, laryngospasm, pneumonia, palpitations. It may also affect metabolism weight
    loss, metabolic acidosis), behavior/central nervous system (excitement, central nervous system depression, somnolence,
    convulsions, stupor, aggression, headache, weakness, dizziness, drowsiness, coma), peripheral nervous system, and blood.
    Ingestion: Harmful if swallowed. May be fatal. Causes gastrointestinal irritation with nausea, vomiting (possibly with blood),
    diarrhea, severe pain in mouth, throat and stomach, and possible corrosive injury to the gastrointestinal mucosa/ulceration
    or bleeding from stomach. May also affect the liver(jaundice), urinary system/kidneys (difficulty urinating, albuminuria,
    hematuria, anuria), blood, endocrine system, respiration (respiratory obstruction, pulmonary edema, bronchiolar obstruction),
    cardiovascular system (hypotension), metabolism (metabolic acidosis), eyes (retinal changes, visual field changes), and
    behavior/central nervous system (symptoms similar to those for inhalation). Contains Methanol which may cause blindness if
    swallowed. Chronic Potential Health Effects: Skin: Prolonged or repeated exposure may cause contact dermatits both irritant
    and allergic. It may also cause skin discoloration. Inhalation: Although there is no clear evidence, prolonged or repeated
    exposure may induce allergic asthma. Other effects are similar to that of acute exposure. Ingestion: Prolonged or repeated
    ingestion may cause gastrointestinal tract irritation and ulceration or bleeding from the stomach. Other effects may be similar
    to that of acute ingestion.

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  292. Jen
    August 9, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Lara…I don’t think my daughter would suffer from autism. That isn’t my scare factor at all. It’s just the plain science around the chemicals. I don’t know what, if anything, she would get. I don’t even give her (orally) OTC medicines (Tylenol/Ibuprofen). Why would I allow this?
    I’m just scared of injecting poisons/toxins into her system and having any kind of reaction at all! We don’t really know the long term effects of exposure to a lot of these ingredients and I’m not taking my chances. Take care and I hope, despite your situation, you can open your mind to the possibility that the vaccines are not the safest/healthiest route to a good life. There will always be statistics and people who fall into them. It is very unfortunate! We can’t prevent everything and we can’t stop people from getting illnesses/diseases…no matter how hard we try (:

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  293. August 9, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    @Jen – so, how do you get rid of the formaldehyde that is created naturally as part of your metabolism, at a rate much higher than you would receive from all the vaccines combined?

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  294. August 9, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    @Jen – you are allowed to have this “irrational” fear of vaccines, because we’ve done such a great job in eliminating much of the incidence & fear of vaccine-preventable diseases. We no longer have mass quarantines, iron lungs, or polio summers – we also no longer have large numbers of children suffering from blindness, deafness or sterility from measles / mumps-related side-effects.

    We also no longer see the tens-of-thousands of rubella-related birth defects either…..all much, much worse than any of the known side-effects from vaccines.

    That’s what you should be considering – not scaremongering around so-called “toxins” with no proof.

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  295. August 9, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    @Jen – and yet we managed to eliminate Smallpox….and Rinderpest (for cattle) and almost eliminate polio. So the answer is, yes, we can actually prevent people from getting diseases – if the vaccine programs are allowed to do what they were meant to do (i.e. disease elimination / mitigation)

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  296. Jen
    August 9, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    Lawrence,

    We are not talking a bout formaldehyde that is created naturally, we are talking about the chemical/toxic formaldehyde.

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  297. Chris
    August 9, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    What is the difference, Jen? Especially in the dose used in a vaccine.

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  298. Jen
    August 9, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Maybe we no longer suffer from certain things but we suffer from so many other/more things these days. I believe vaccines (original) were meant to do good and helped their share of people in that time but I don’t believe diseases were eradicated by vaccination. I also think they are causing a lot more problems that they/we don’t relate to vaccinations. That is only because you can’t be sure of the short or long-term effects on individuals. I don’t believe the whole “herd immunity” theory either. I believe the healthiest people, in the future, will be the unvaccinated.
    Don’t have any more time to spend on this site. I will continue to help the anti-vax campaign…It has just begun and the truth will be know to all…one day (:

    Happy and healthy life to all of you (:

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  299. August 9, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    @Jen – there is no difference, they are the same substance.

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  300. August 9, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    @Jen – have fun tilting at windmills…….you “believe” a lot of things with no evidence to back them up. In the future, I do hope that we have less vaccines – meaning that we’ve eliminated more diseases.

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  301. Jen
    August 9, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Chris,

    What is the difference between a chemical that the body, naturally, creates and distributes and a chemical that is artificially produced???
    Is this really your question??
    Good luck (:

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  302. Sammy
    August 9, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    NEWS PRESS:- This is sadly why you cannot trust BIG PHARMA & Doctors & those linked to it!!!
    Pfizer Admits Bribery in Eight Countries
    by Pratap Chatterjee, CorpWatch Blog
    August 8th, 2012
    http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=15765

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  303. Sammy
    August 9, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Lawrence are you serious? They are not the same substance at all & the body handles & responds to them in very different ways…depending on many factors.

    Being shot straight into the body with a mixture of other toxic chemicals is not normal & the body reacts to this invasion…yes it is an invasion & abusive to the system!

    It heads straight to the brain & crosses the protective blood brain barrier, causing havoc on a newly forming system.

    There is a major difference between naturally occurring & synthetic chemicals.. this is basic science!

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  304. Jen
    August 9, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Great article…thanks Sammy! The patterns of deceit and corruption are far too many. Vaccination is only one of our many problems today.

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  305. Chris
    August 9, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    My name is not Lawrence. Show me with actual articles from reputable places that the formaldehyde in the vaccine is chemically different than what is created in your own cells. I much prefer the title, journal and date of the Pubmed indexed paper than your argument from blatant assertion.

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  306. Chris
    August 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Jen:

    What is the difference between a chemical that the body, naturally, creates and distributes and a chemical that is artificially produced???

    Oh, sorry missed this. Considering that the “artificial” processes are based on natural chemical reactions that occur in biology, yes I want you to tell me specifically. Show me with actual verifiable scientific documentation that the CH2O is different if made inside your own cells, than the CH2O in a vaccine. Then give me the verifiable scientific documentation that is is dangerous in the amount used in a vaccine.

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  307. Chris
    August 9, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    CH2O is supposed to have a subscript for the “2” to indicate a molecule with one carbon atom, two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atoms.

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  308. Lawrence
    August 9, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    @Jen – so, If I create H2O in the lab, tell me how that is different than H2O in nature?

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  309. Lawrence
    August 9, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    @Sammy – for example, synthetic diamonds are the same chemical make-up as diamonds dug out of the ground……what is the difference again? You are arguing nonsense.

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  310. Chris
    August 9, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Is the carbon dioxide I exhale different than the carbon dioxide caused by burning fuel? Is the oxygen gas created by putting electrodes in water any different than the oxygen created by plants?

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  311. humanati
    August 13, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    jtubb13 :
    @Kelly
    What in the world are you talking about? I am passing on my own life experience with my daughter. What…you believe vaccines cause injury but just not to my daughter? I will leave it up to any readers to decide if I am sincere or not….I’m fine either way. As a matter of fact we do know which batch she had so we know exactly what was in the vaccine that injured her. You are in such denial…why?
    @Chris….citation for what exactly?
    You’re just a bunch of haters on here and I don’t know why. In real life I actually have a daughter to take care of and I don’t want the same thing happening to other children….my daughter has been through hell and back and she doesn’t deserve any of it. I feel it is my obligation to pass on this information to others, thus why I posted here. If you don’t believe my story…fine…but don’t call me a liar.

    I believe you. I feel exactly the same way. To any parent with a vaccine injured child reading these comments, it’s obvious who is sincere & who is shilling for their PHARMA DADDY.
    Please realise that many if not all of the people you describe as haters are paid & they work in teams to deceive, ridicule, insult, & attack the exponentially growing awareness of the harm vaccines are causing our children.

    They are not interested in truth or science or evidence except the science that BIG pHARMa has bought & paid for that has been ‘peer reviewed’ by journals they control.

    They are obviously trying to create the illusion of debate when any honest & thorough study of the evidence shows not only the harm caused to millions of children & adults worldwide, but of the orchestrated cover up by pHARMa, government, bought & paid for fraudulent science & media.

    They are also trying to marginalise parents whose children have been vaccine injured as liars, kooks, idiots etc & there is a deliberate attempt to provoke & upset parents who know their child was vaccine injured presumably to shut them down or discourage other parents from posting their experiences.

    As parents we need to understand who these people are, & who they say they are, are not the same.

    Do you really think other parents of children with autism would attack another parent who is seeing their child recover after biomedical treatment?

    I am always so happy & curious when I hear about a child improving, aren’t you?

    And why do these people spend so much time & energy attacking, undermining & ridiculing others with such venom & spite? Because it’s what they’re paid to do.

    These are desperate times for them & the pHARMa companies know they are fighting for their lives here, & as people turn off corporate media & learn the truth about what has been perpetrated against them & their children & how it has been covered up, not only will they lose a lucrative market, they are looking at compensation claims so numerous & large it would shut them down, prosecution & imprisonment.

    I believe one day very soon these online sock puppets will be held responsible for their part in the mass poisoning, maiming & death of untold millions of children & adults.

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  312. novalox
    August 13, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    @humanati

    Yawn, all you have is pharma shill gambits, and ad hominems.

    Do try to post some evidence, or keep going and draw some laughs at your utter incompetence in posting.

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  313. humanati
    August 13, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    novalox :
    @humanati
    Yawn, all you have is pharma shill gambits, and ad hominems.
    Do try to post some evidence, or keep going and draw some laughs at your utter incompetence in posting.

    novalox, for example, specialises in feigned boredom & laughing at people who ‘amuse’ him. He also favours appeals to ridicule.

    novalox assumes a superior & condescending demeanour in his replies & often implies or states that you are stupid, boring or mad.

    He also loves to ask for evidence & he is the self elected arbiter of what is & what isn’t evidence or ‘good’ science but that is something all the other sock puppets do.

    novalox, seems to think he’s Dr Evil grinning as he strokes his white fluffy pussycat.
    “No Mr Bond, I expect you to die” 🙂

    That’s about it for novalox. He’s pretty much a one trick pony which either means he’s a burnt out lazy shill just going through the motions, or he’s a completely artificial identity & used by another sock puppet to provoke an emotional reaction which he can then use as evidence of your irrationality & stupidity.

    Thanks novalox, can you show the next PHARMA rent boy in now please?

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  314. novalox
    August 13, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    @humanati

    Yawn, do try harder at your half-witted attempts at insults. I’ve heard worse from 6 year olds.

    But please, do keep attempting to insult me. I do like a fool, and I do get a good laugh at your pathetic attempts, as well as your conspiracy-theory laden posts and old pharma shill gambits.

    Keep on dancing, my little fool.

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  315. Gray Falcon
    August 13, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Humaniti, please provide concrete evidence for your claims. If you do not provide any within the next six hours, I will conclude that you are guilty of leveling false accusations, one of the highest crimes a human can commit against another.

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  316. humanati
    August 14, 2012 at 12:05 am

    Jennifer :
    The unfounded fear over the illnesses supposedly prevented by vaccination is based on a history of unscientific theory and policy driven by profit, not health. We must learn how to care for the common, immune building illnesses and not fall prey to the 200 year farce that injecting disease matter, animal matter, chemicals, metals and a host of other toxic elements could possibly promote health. History demonstrates this practice to be an utter failure. Do not be afraid of measles, because well nourished children who get adequate vitamin A fare just fine with measles. Do not be afraid of whooping cough, because parents all over the world have been having a very easy time with whooping cough using high doses of vitamin C and homeopathy – but you will not read about them in “peer reviewed literature” and your doctor doesn’t know about them, because only sick children – the ones they see and often create – get counted in the morbidity statistics. But the healthy children who uneventfully pass illnesses through them never touch the medical system and thus are not counted. The morbidity of most childhood diseases comes from just a few things; infant formula, cow’s milk, common medical drugs, malnutrition, and vaccines. All of these things are completely avoidable in the USA and many other countries and that is WHY we see so many healthy unvaccinated children when we look.
    There is sooo much propaganda to promote getting shots/vaccines/drugs which, in My personal opinion, cannot be trusted any longer.
    Call me paranoid All you like, but having observed our governments these last few years..the pervasive and systemic corruption, and the total taking away of our rights, GMOs, etc.. I simply have Zero faith in governments, medical industry, banks, and police.
    Medicine definitely has its place but, too often, it is so unnecessary!!! Here are some scary numbers!
    http://preventdisease.com/news/12/072612_When-Its-Time-For-a-Health-Check-up-Avoiding-Your-Doctor-Can-Save-Your-Life.shtml

    Well said Jennifer. Not only do vaccines poison, maim & kill but the real kicker is they don’t even do what they claim to do.

    We’ve been had. A big fat lie.

    At last, the truth is becoming known & vaccines will soon be universally refused by parents.

    Until then our children are at great risk from the criminal companies who manufacture them.

    Great to see so many people standing up to the pHARMa cyber thugs here.

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  317. Gray Falcon
    August 14, 2012 at 12:08 am

    Do you have any evidence for your statements? I’ll extend your deadline: You have until midnight tomorrow. That’s just shy of 24 hours.

    Here’s a hint: Accusations are not evidence. If a court won’t admit it, neither will I.

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  318. humanati
    August 14, 2012 at 12:57 am

    novalox :
    @humanati
    Yawn,.
    But please, do keep attempting to insult me. as well as your conspiracy-theory laden posts and old pharma shill gambits.
    Keep on dancing, my little fool.

    novalox you’re not Dr Evil so stop trying to sound like him…the only thing missing is a Muhahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa! at the end FFS!

    “Keep on dancing, my little fool.”
    Er, whatever you say Mr novalox sir!

    “Yawn, do try harder at your half-witted attempts at insults. I’ve heard worse from 6 year olds”
    There’s that trademark feigned boredom again dripping with condescension & a combination ad hominem telling me I’m stupid.

    ” I do like a fool, and I do get a good laugh at your pathetic attempts,…as well as your conspiracy-theory laden posts and old pharma shill gambits”
    When novalox isn’t yawning, he’s laughing apparently.

    The reference to “conspiracy theory” & “pharma shill gambits” are meant to conjure up the ‘tin foil hat’ image in your minds because in novalox’s version of reality GSK wasn’t recently found guilty of having:

    • Routinely bribed doctors with luxury vacations and paid speaking gigs
    • Fabricated drug safety data and lied to the FDA
    • Defrauded Medicare and Medicaid out of billions
    • Deceived regulators about the effectiveness of its drugs
    • Relied on its deceptive practices to earn billions of dollars selling potentially dangerous drugs to unsuspecting consumers and medical patients

    GSK was fined $3 billion.

    Or the LIBOR conspiracy to manipulate & fix interest rates on an international scale.

    You see in novalox’s world, companies NEVER EVER conspire against the public interest for profit or avoid prosecution. His implied faith in the ethical nature of BIG pHARMa just don’t cut it anymore in the real world & demonstrate someone either in complete denial, or someone who’s being paid to lie. I’ll leave it to others to decide which one it is.

    novalox is available for pantomime & children’s parties.

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  319. Gray Falcon
    August 14, 2012 at 1:19 am

    @humanati: All of what you just said can also be used to prove that you’re working for big Pharma as a plant so as to destroy faith in vaccination and make more money selling more expensive medicines for treating, rather than preventing, illness. Now, do you have any real evidence?

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  320. humanati
    August 14, 2012 at 1:34 am

    Oh, I forgot Merck who since the late 1990’s knowingly falsified its mumps vaccine test data, spiked blood samples with animal antibodies, sold a vaccine that actually promoted mumps and measles outbreaks, and ripped off governments and consumers who bought the vaccine thinking it was “95% effective.

    You’re being asked to trust proven serial liars who have no problem with knowingly causing sickness & death & when they’re discovered, they just pay a fraction of their criminal profits & carry on business as usual.

    We’re dealing with serial mass murderers here & you’re a fool if you trust them with the health of your child.

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  321. August 14, 2012 at 3:26 am

    humanati,

    There are still children and adults that suffered through diseases that vaccines now prevent and ended up permanently damaged or dead, vast numbers of them actually. Do they not count to you? I am one of them, one of my younger sister also is. We grew up unvaccinated and once I knew all the facts, rather then just the misinformation and drivel my mother threw at me, I knew what the right choice would be for my children.

    There are legitimate claims for vaccine damage, and those who have a legitimate claim have filed with the vaccine court and received compensation. If they did not have a legitimate claim, they didn’t file, or they did and it was thrown out because they were not able to prove their case, 50% plus a feather. The numbers are not as vast as you seem to believe, and we do not deny that it can happen. But the diseases cause by far more damage then vaccines ever did, and I am living proof of that.

    My son has autism, and he is progressing, because even if left alone a child with autism will progress. Autism is developmental delay, not stasis and even if given no intervention at all, will progress. Biomedical treatments, as you say, do nothing. If they did, why then do these children still have autism? My guess is, along with the biomedical treatments, they are also receiving ABA or OT or speech/language therapy, and it’s actually the therapy that is helping them, much more then any biomed treatments, because there is no science that proves those biomed treatments do anything, yet years and decades of study data shows the therapies used for treating autism do work.

    I’ve not ever ‘attacked’ anyone who has claimed their child got autism from a vaccine, but I have pointed out that it doesn’t happen. And in many cases it has come out in the course of events, that the parent is actually lying, that their child showed signs prior to the vaccine, but the regression didn’t happen until around the time they received a certain vaccine, but generally, if regression is going to happen, it happens at that same age range for everyone. My son showed signs of autism from birth. I didn’t know what it was at the time, just that he was more challenging and slightly odd compared to my other 5 children before him. He was not vaccinated and around 14 months age began to regress, losing language skills, social skills, becoming lost in fixated activities which were not normal for a toddler. I haven’t ever attacked anyone, but they sure have attacked me, calling me a liar, saying my son’s autism doesn’t count since he wasn’t vaccine injured, threatening me with physical violence because I dared post on their web site statements in support of vaccination. And all I tried to do is reach out to some other parents of children with autism hoping for some kind of support.

    You have made a lot of accusations against those of us who support vaccinations. You’ve made a lot of claims and haven’t provided anything to back up your claims. Have you ever had a vaccine preventable disease? My guess is no, you haven’t. Either because your parents cared enough about you to have you vaccinated (did it damage you?) or because the rest of the population around you was vaccinated and protected you by not allowing any disease to get a foothold in the population. I wish I got paid for speaking out in favor of vaccinations. I could use the funds for my son’s therapy and to buy a car to take him to them. Of course I expect you’ll just label me a liar, but the thing that makes me not a liar is that scientific evidence backs up my personal experiences. What do you have?

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  322. Sammy
    August 14, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Im talking about the major differences recognised by the human system (not out side the body – as in a Lab Natural V Synthetic can look ‘almost’ identical.

    But the synergistic effects of the drug or toxin being injected into the body is a completely different story & this is what needs to be addressed here.

    Also when there is a concoction mixed in a vaccine shot it is another story again..

    Especially when there are other heavy metals involved & animal & human cells & proteins & virus’s

    The body responds & is effected far differently from a chemical singularly or a mixed attack injected inside the body compared to chemical reaction that is naturally occurring in the body, eg. as an immune response, or for either breakdown or repair.

    This is what i am referring to & that needs to be addressed more with vaccines.

    Sammy :
    Lawrence are you serious? They are not the same substance at all & the body handles & responds to them in very different ways…depending on many factors.
    Being shot straight into the body with a mixture of other toxic chemicals is not normal & the body reacts to this invasion…yes it is an invasion & abusive to the system!
    It heads straight to the brain & crosses the protective blood brain barrier, causing havoc on a newly forming system.
    There is a major difference between naturally occurring & synthetic chemicals.. this is basic science!

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  323. Sammy
    August 14, 2012 at 8:58 am

    @ Chris / Lawrence

    i though we have been over this already on this blog – Aluminium naturally occurring on the earth but can cause all sorts of complications & be near fatal when injected into the body in small doses ..

    ***** Aluminum hydroxide injections lead to motor deficits and motor neuron degeneration:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2819810/pdf/nihms171746.pdf

    Chris :
    Jen:

    What is the difference between a chemical that the body, naturally, creates and distributes and a chemical that is artificially produced???

    Oh, sorry missed this. Considering that the “artificial” processes are based on natural chemical reactions that occur in biology, yes I want you to tell me specifically. Show me with actual verifiable scientific documentation that the CH2O is different if made inside your own cells, than the CH2O in a vaccine. Then give me the verifiable scientific documentation that is is dangerous in the amount used in a vaccine.

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  324. Sammy
    August 14, 2012 at 9:03 am

    You get the idea, although it actually doesn’t address it directly, i will bring up the other studies that do shortly!!

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  325. August 14, 2012 at 9:07 am

    @sammy – I really don’t think you you understand the words you type out on your posts….You have a substance that is naturally occurring in your body, actually circulating in your bloodstream with everything else (including your “so-called toxins”) vs. the exact same substance, in minute quantities, being used in a vaccine.

    Somehow, one is substantially different than the other? You have any real proof of that?

    Any proof that it can cross the blood-brain barrier? And even if it did, that is causes harm?

    You are throwing out a bunch of conspiracy-filled lunacies – and again, you seem to have a lack of knowledge of even basic biology. You should read my linked website (in my name) – you might learn a thing or two.

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  326. Sammy
    August 14, 2012 at 10:55 am

    I have listed lots of proof previously & there are many studies of this i am not just making it up!

    If you use your brain & research you will find it also! Very easy to do!

    I am sure you wont post it here though will you!

    Thanks i might check it out!

    Goodnight!

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  327. Sammy
    August 14, 2012 at 10:59 am

    I have studied enough about Neurotoxicity & excito-toxins by now to know the difference!

    I suggest you check it out to expand you mind a bit more.

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  328. Sammy
    August 14, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Aspartame or phenylalanine is prime example! But will go into it further another time as it is bit detailed…! IN the mean time do your own research mate!

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  329. novalox
    August 14, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    @humanati

    Oh my little puppet, you still cannot piece together a simple insult. Slightly disappointing, but at least entertaining at your pathetic attempts.

    Your spittle-laden conspiracy theories, half-witted attempts at insult, and paranoia are truly entertaining, at least.

    Please, do try again my little puppet. Show the world how truly off of reality you are. I do like a laugh, and your crazy comments provide me with much mirth.

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  330. Chris
    August 14, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Sammy:

    I have studied enough about Neurotoxicity & excito-toxins by now to know the difference!

    So what ingredient in the DTaP vaccine is more toxic than tetanospasmin? Do provide proper citations to support your answer. And please stop citing Chris Shaw, because he is actually just incompetent. His tenure is the only reason he still has an office on the Point Grey Peninsula.

    humanate:

    Oh, I forgot Merck who since the late 1990′s knowingly falsified its mumps vaccine test data,

    Which mumps strain? Was it Zagreb-Leningrad, Jeryl Lynn, Rubini or Urabe? How did anyone miss the several papers on those strains comparing their efficacy and safety published over the past decade?

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  331. August 15, 2012 at 4:19 am

    @Jen

    Formaldehyde is formaldehyde is formaldehyde – regardless of where it’s produced. It’s all HCHO (or CH2O if you prefer).

    The formaldehyde in your body is the same chemical, with the same toxicity profile as the formaldehyde sitting in a jar on the shelf in a chem lab.

    The fact that you seem to think that there’s a difference illustrates how little you know about chemistry.

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  332. Pamela Browden (Cossman Children )????????????????????????
    September 26, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    I see on the internet where pharamcheutical company make 300 – 500 billion a year on vaccines, than they talking about how their’s vaccines save life. Well I have six children that been vaccinated from 1999 – 2008. The last four were given the new and improved combine vaccines,” without my premission. Now, you should hear their complaint of pain, and discomfort. Do society really want to challenge the CDC, and FDA about the vaccines they allow pharamcheutical company to produces for our children? My children are one of the links that a vaccine can harm a child, and the toxin lay in the child fatty tissuse for years to come causing damage, and discomfort.

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  333. Chris
    September 26, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    I see on the internet where pharamcheutical company make 300 – 500 billion a year on vaccines, than they talking about how their’s vaccines save life.

    So if you saw on the internet it must be true? Oh, dear. Which part of the internet did you see this?

    Please answer this question: What number is the left of the word “Vaccines” on page 30 of this link? Also tell us what the numbers to the right of the word “Vaccines” mean.

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  334. September 26, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    @Chris – wow, I didn’t realize the number was only $5 Billion dollars (that’s just gross dollars, not profit). Given typical costs associated with manufacture & distribution (and remember that number is spread across all vaccine manufacturers), I’d assume you’re looking at a maybe a few hundred million dollars in profit – if you’re lucky, depending on how long it would take to recoup all of the research and development expenses (which can run into the hundreds of millions of dollars).

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  335. September 26, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    @Chris – that also only represents 1.6% of the total spend on drug treatments in the United States. Not exactly the huge profit driver that anti-vaccine cranks claim.

    Compare that to the potential costs for treating large numbers of cases of vaccine-preventable diseases & it becomes clear how the math just doesn’t make sense – it is always cheaper to prevent disease than treat it…..

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  336. Chris
    September 26, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    Now you see why those who brings up how much money Big Pharma makes on vaccines never answer that question.

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  337. Pamela Browden (Cossman Children )????????????????????????
    September 28, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Chris, Sir you have no idea about my sisuation with vaccines. I’am not saying not to vaccinate your child. For the sake of any children no mother would won’t their love one to suffer from a childhood disease that could have been prevent. MY P[ROBLEM LAY WITH THE COUNTY I LIVES IN, AND THE WAY A FN DOCTOR DECIDED TO TAKE THE NEW VACCINES AND VACCINATE MY CHILDREN WITH. FOUR OF MY CHILDREN IS PROOF THAT VACCINES COMBINE IN A FORM OF FASHION, LEFT MY CHILDREN WITH LEARNING DISABILITY MY 6YR & 9YR OLD DIDNT TALK UNTIL THEY WERE 4 1/2 YR OF AGE. HELL THE DONT KNOW THEY A B C I HAD YEAR OF PAPER WERE I TRY . MY 7YR OLD IS THE KEY THAT SHE CAN ASTISM TO VACCINES. ALL THE MOTHER OF THE WORLD DO PROTECT YOUR CHILD FROM THESE DISEASE BUT AT THE SAME TIME ASK FOR THE ORGINAL VACCINES THAT BEEN USING SINCE THE 50S. I WAS BORN 1966 I NEVER HAD A REACTION TO VACCINES bEEN DISEASES FREE SINCE. MYMY FRIST BORN OF THE LATE 80S NO SIGN OF VACCINES REACTION THERE, MY TWO DAUGHTER 1999, 2000, NO SIGN ADVERSE REACTION THERE BUT OH WAIT 2001 HERE IS THE PNEUMOCOCCOL VAC. BY 2003 HERE SIT THE “CDC’ SITTING WITH THE PHARAMCHEUTICAL COMPANIES ASKING THEM TO COMBINE VACCINCES TO SHORT THE NUMBER OF TIME THEY ADMINSTRATE A VACINES INTO A CHILD. OH YOU DON’T WELL LET ME TELL YOU THE NAMES OF THEM: PROQUAD HEY THAT THE MMR PLUS COMBINE WITH THE VARCELLIA VAC THE 4-1 VAC, WAIT HERE IS THE PEDERXIA THE 5-1 VAC POLLIO DTaP/Dtp/Td/DT. WITH THE HEPATITIS B VAC, HEPATITIS A THE SHOT AT TWO YEARS OF AGE, NOW THE BROKE THAT DOWN TO A YEAR TO BE STUCK IN A CHILD. WELL THE HAVRIX, HEPATITIS A &B COMBINE, OR THE ROTAG, TWINRIX, LET ME NOT FORGET THE BIRD FLU VAC #1 & 2. Youh ave no clue what the vaccines do once they are combine and given to a child.Did i forget about the HiB B vac? They invent that ne in the 90s, my question to you is????????????? Why do you sit yourself on this blog page with your philisophy about what vaccine won’n do. Since you advocate for CDC, and FDA you and your kind should be the trail subject to phamarcheutical drug. once they stick that (****) in your (***) to can tell them and us mother that have concern about the vaccines the manufacturing in today market. my blogging is to reach out to Dr. David M Ayoub, Dr. Andrew WakeField, Dr. S. Tenpenny. Congressman Dan Burton, and the lawyer Alan Phillip, I have your link to austism and vaccines. The Cossman/Browden (408) 926-6838. How want to Challenge the Federal Court?You up again Santa Clara county, The state of California come on let prove what a vaccine can really do, they got me block down (Keeping Secerts) East Valley Medical Clinic have the infornation that the no link doctors cant find. Marleen Sturm can prove lying(*****) she got the facts. and know just what not do in vaccinating children with the new and combine vaccines. NOLINKS ohhhhhh HAVE 6 LINKS, WHO DOWN FOR THE FIGHTS? GET OFF THE BLOG LET FIGHT, I HAVE MY SLEEVE ROLLED UP AND READY, I NEED THOSE DOCTOR I MEANT, OH’ YEAH. I will go back and retieve that article I read. CDC paid the pharamcheutical companies 750 millions to formula these vaccines, and the makes 300 to 500 billion a year behind it. And, since you know so much a vaccines and what they don’t do, you know just how much they make of their pharamcheutical drugs. Get off my bandwagon, your kind is not invited. Hey my children needs their 5yr old immunization, their 6yr, 8yr, 10yr, and 12yr vaccination . Hummmmmm no link to astism.Let see.

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  338. Gray Falcon
    September 28, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Do you have any actual evidence to support your apoplectic rage?

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  339. September 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    @GF – whoa…..that’s some prime grade crazy there….

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  340. Gray Falcon
    September 28, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Yeah, probably best if I just leave it be…

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  341. Lara Lohne
    September 28, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Holy cow. There was a lot of that I wasn’t able to make sense of. Is that just me?

    I guess I am wondering why, Pamela, you believe that the vaccines your children born in the 80’s received were the exact same vaccines you received in the 60s? Something else to consider, what was your age, and the age of your 4 year old’s father (I think it was your four year old you are saying has autism, it’s not quite clear though so I apologize if I am mistaken in that) at the time your child was conceived? If you were born in 1966, and you had your child in 2001 that was later diagnosed with autism, that would put your age at the time of that child’s birth to be 35. Past the age where science has well established higher risks of birth defects including Down’s Syndrome and autism. Parental age has been shown to be a significant factor in a child developing autism. I was 35 when my son with autism was conceived, I had 5 neurotypical children before him, born between 1990 and 1999 and all were vaccinated on schedule, but he was displaying subtle signs of being different from birth so I know it wasn’t vaccines that caused it, particularly since he only received them at 2, 4 and 6 months and was well ahead of the developmental curve until he reached 14 months and began to regress. For every claim by a parent of a child with autism that vaccines are to blame, there are any number of counters to that one claim that are more then plausible. Have you ever stopped to consider that you are wrong and your anger is completely and totally unjustified? Just think about it…

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  342. Pamela Browden (Cossman Children )????????????????????????
    September 28, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Where, well here is a question you can ask your computer. How much do a pharameutical company make off of childhood vaccinces? Type all of that in your search window, and you will find ALL THE LINKS that you DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT. WAIT, WAIT,WAIT I LEARN YESTERDAY ABOUT THIS VAC ( PENTACEL), THERE ALOT OF THING WE DIDNT KNOW ABOUT. AND, NO TOLD THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT, HEYYYYYYY WE DEVELOPE SOME NEW VACCINCE AND RIGHT HERE IN THE OF CALIFORNIA DURING 2001- TO 2008 SNEAKY DOCTORS WAS USING THESE VACCINES WITHOUT THE PARENT PREMISSIOM. JUST BECAUSE YOU GIVE CONSENT TO A DOCTOR TO SEE YOUR CHILD IN A WELL CHECK VISIT, YES,YOU DO KNOW THEY VACCINATE. BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS AT THE SAME FREAKN TIME A DOCTOR HAVE NO RIGHT TO PUT YOUR CHILDREN IN TO GROUPS (A) & (C) AND TAKE SOME NEW VACCINES THAT CAME TOTHE MARKET TO BE USE IN CHILDHOOD IMMUNIZATION TO SEE HOW CAN THEY VACCINATE A CHILD WITH THEM. MY CONFLICT TO VACCINES IS THE FDA, CDC ALREADY HAVE PROBLEM WITH VACCINE I GUESS Y’ALL DIDNT GET THE VEARS TABLE OF REPORTABLE EVENT FOLLOING VACCINATION. YEA, SIR I HAVE THE EVIDENCE, MY CHILDREN SOME tTHING AS LITTLE AS A LOCAL ANESTHETIC WILL MAKE THEM PULL OUT THEIR HAIR. THESE VACCINES WAS TO STRONG THAT WHY THE WENT OFF THE MARKET. MY RAGE COME FROM A SNEAKY PERSON STANDING AS A DOCTOR. lAWRENCE THE ONLY THING PRIME GRADE CRAZY IS THE FDA, AND CDC ALLOWING PHARAMEUTICAL COMPANIES TO COMBINE VACCINES THAT ALREADY HAD PROMBLES WITH SINCE, IT ONLY ANTIBODY THEY BULIDING UP IN THE CHILD IMMUNE SYSTEM, WHY DONT YOU,GRAY, AND CHRIS ASKS YOUR PHYSICIAN TO GIVE YOU THE PEDERXIA, THE BIRD FLU #1, HIB B, ALONG WITH PNEUCOCCAL AND SEE JUST WHAT IT DO FOR YOU. A CHILD WAS NOT BORN WITH A CHILDHOOD DISEASE, SO LET SEE. AND, I DO EXPECT PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO PUT UP THE FIGHT FOR THE COMPANIES, AND IT PEOPLE LIKE YOU WILL ALLOW THE COMPANIES TO KEEP DOING WHAT THEY DOING COVING UP AND LYING AT THE SAME TIME ANGRY MOTHER AGAINST THE NEW AND IMPROVE CHILDHOOD VACCINES. TO REMIND YOU PEOPLE YOU HAVE AND IMMUNIZATION RECORD, LAY IT NEXT TO YOUR CHILD IMMUNIZATION BOOK, WHAT YOU SAID WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, NOW DID YOU GET VACCINATE FOR ANY OF THOSE DISEASES? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, AND YOU ONLY GOT THE HEPATITIS (A) VAC WHEN YOU WENT BACK IN FORWARD THROUGHT THAT INTERNATIONAL GATE. THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE SAYINGGGGGGGGGGGG. MOTHER GET BLOOD TITERS TO SEE HOW MUCH ANTIBODY YOUR CHILD HAVE FROM BEING PREVIOUS VACCINATE, HUHHHHHH. AND, IF I WOULD HAD KNOWN THIS FROM THE START, YOU PEOPLE WOULD NEVER HAD READ SOMETHING I HAD TO SAY ABOUT MY CHILDREN EXPERINCE WITH THE NEW AND IMPROVE VACCINES THAT MANUFACTURE IN 2001-2008 THEY ON THE MARKET , THEY OFF THE MARKET. YOU CAN USE IT , THEN YOU CANT. ROTAG (ROTAVIRUS) TOOK IT OFF IN 1999, BACK IN 2003 WITH THE SAME DAMN PROBLEM.YOU PEOPLE NEED YOUR OWN BLOG PAGE SO YOU CAN TALK WITH ONE ANOTHER.

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  343. September 28, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    @Pamela – #1 The caps lock key is not your friend. In Internet etiquette, it means you are yelling.

    #2 – Paragraphs or even complete sentences would help as well.

    At this point, I don’t have any idea what you are trying to say.

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  344. Chris
    September 28, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    Ms. Browden:

    Chris, Sir you have no idea about my sisuation with vaccines. I’am not saying not to vaccinate your child.

    Actually, I was more concerned about your contention on much Big Pharma makes on vaccines. I made no mention of your situation. I am more concerned that you actually provide actual evidence to your statement that “pharamcheutical company make 300 – 500 billion a year on vaccines” is more accurate than the document I linked to (from a group that tracks pharmaceutical companies for investors).

    As a parent of a disabled child who had seizures from an actual disease before a vaccine for it was available I am more concerned about the real risks. You have to show us that the vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases.

    Perhaps you should show the comments you wrote to a close family member. They might be able to find you the help you need.

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  345. Chris
    September 28, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Ms. Browden:

    Where, well here is a question you can ask your computer. How much do a pharameutical company make off of childhood vaccinces?

    I gave you a link, it looks like you did not notice it. I have asked the question again. Also when I ask for a source of your information it would be better if you provided that link instead of telling me to find it myself. Especially after I had already linked to reliable source.

    Please answer this question: What number is the left of the word “Vaccines” on page 30 of this document: http://www.imshealth.com/imshealth/Global/Content/IMS%20Institute/Documents/IHII_UseOfMed_report%20.pdf ? Also tell us what the numbers to the right of the word “Vaccines” mean.

    Click on the blue letters. Hover your mouse over the blue letter and click the button. It will open a pdf document. Go to page 30 and look at the table. Tell me how much money vaccines make for pharmaceutical companies, and compare it to their other produces.

    Should we forward your comments to Dr. Sturm?

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  346. Lara Lohne
    September 28, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    As a third follow up point to Lawrence:
    This is our own blog page for us to talk to one another. You are welcome to participate too, of course, but it is extremely difficult to understand what exactly you are trying to say. There is very little punctuation in your writing and that combined with the cap locks and lack of completing your thoughts makes it difficult to read, let alone comprehend what you are writing about.

    On a personal note, I know I didn’t get the same vaccines my children got, save one, when I was growing up because my mom was anti-vaccine and she wanted us to get sick in order to gain immunity. Knowing what it feels like to suffer through and watch my siblings suffer through and nearly die from vaccine preventable diseases, there was no way I was going to make my children suffer like that, not when there was a very simple and virtually painless way to prevent it; that being vaccines.

    The fact that there are more vaccines is not a bad thing. It means there are that many more diseases our children don’t have to suffer through in order to gain immunity, this is a very good thing, because children suffering through diseases, becoming damaged by the diseases or even dying from diseases is not something that we should be fighting against.

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  347. Pamela Browden (Cossman Children )????????????????????????
    September 28, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    I was born in 1996, my son 1986, my second child 1999, 2000, 2003, twin 2006.there is a big different in the vaccination i took, and the vaccines they vaccinating our child with today. try this so you wont get confuse. Your children immunization record. go get them see what they was vaccinating your children with, than lay the book next to a child immunization record let try the yr 2001, and you would see the what I’am talking about. It not the cow we need to be worry about. it the new and improve vaccines. When I question this peerson about the vaccines she was using in my children immunization,after seeing my son shake, lay draw up stiff, votoming and sh***** on hisself. I question her real good, you want to know what she told me, “ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!, THERE WAS NO WAY THE GOVERNMENT WOULD LET A PHAMARMEUTICAL COMPANY MAKE A VACCINCE THAT WOULD HARM A CHILD!!!!!! NOT UNTILL I SEEN MY DAUGHTER MEISHON AT 6MONTH ,START ROCK BACK N FORWARD, RIPING OUT HER HAIR WITH THESE RED BUMP SPREADING THROUGHT HER SKIN, CRYING. I BLAME THE BIRD FLU SHOT I WAS TALK INTO BY THIS PERSON. SHE TALK ABOUT FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, AND CONTIGOUS PUSH CARTS. I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH VACCINES, NOT KNOWNING 2001 WAS FIRST SIGN OF ADVERSE REACTION, AND WAS TOLD IT WAS NICKEL FROM A PREVIOUS DOCTOR, WENT ON NOT KNOWING. 2003 TO 2008, THE LIES SHE TOLD CHANGE DISGNOSES FROM NICKEL TO VERY HIGH EZCAME. 2009 FINALLY GET TO DO RESEARCH, THAT (*****) DART FOR A RESTRAIN ODER, AND SHE NEEDED THE REST OF HER LIFE FOR LIES, AND THE WAY SHE VACCINATED MY CHILDREN IN THERE WELL CHECK VISITS. FIVE FN DOCTORS LYING AND KEEP SERCETS. THE LINK TO ASTISM IN VACCINES, CAN BE EASY PROVE. THE COSSMAN/BROWDEN. AND, WHAT I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHEN I CAME TO THE WELL CHECK VISIT I HAD NO COMPLAINT ABOUT A VACCINES. ONCE MY CHILDREN START SHOWING SIGN OF DISCOMFORT AFTER THE FACT OF BEING VACCINATD THE CONCERN CAME, YOU DRAW THE CONCLUSION. THIS MAY BE A LONG WAIT, BUT, I’AM WAITING TO BLOG WITH THOSE DOCTORS I MENTION, SO WE CAN GET TO THE SOLUTION, AND THE FEDERAL COURT. THE COSSMAN WILL GIVE THEM THE LINKS THEY LOOKING FOR.JOIN THE OTHER BANDWAGON THEY LIKE TALKING TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

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  348. Lawrence
    September 28, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    @pamela – what? Seriously, what?

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  349. Lara Lohne
    September 28, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    I am sorry but I cannot make sense of what you are saying. I am assuming English is not your first language. Either that or you are much too emotional right now to produce coherent thoughts. The cap locks, again, are not aiding you in making your point. You are coming across as angry, emotional and slightly irrational. You may wish to take a few moments to compose yourself and try making your point again, because at this rate it is just jumped up bits and pieces and does not make sense or have any cohesive order to it.

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  350. Lara Lohne
    September 28, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Lara Lohne :
    it is just jumped up bits and pieces and does not make sense or have any cohesive order to it.

    That was supposed to be jumbled up. Sorry about that.

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  351. Chris
    September 28, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Ms. Browden, have someone call (408) 885-5673 for you.

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  352. Pamela Browden (Cossman Children )????????????????????????
    September 28, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Yes, and you tell that no good (*****) I said my children is showing signs of astism, they have some very distrubing behavior.And, i can kick her (***) for putting this (****) in my children like she did.My county is going to tell you not to blog with ME, and they keep the secrets. when you forward that to the person, ask her to forward you my letter to her, Ms. Lohne you talk about errors and cap size letterS you haven’t read nothing yet. My mother have 10 children and all of us been vaccinated those the 50s, 60s, 70, to the late 80, vaccines we knew of , 1990 is when they start to add more vaccines to immunization record. And, to make a long story short. not one time did we shake, shit on our self, votiming, rip out our hair or had iinframmmatory skin after we were vaccinated. We definetly didnt run around laughting, playing dangously taring up her home or, furniture. NO WHERE IN MY BLOG DO YOU SEE ME WRITING, DO NOT VACCINATE YOUR CHILDREN. I SAY WATCH OUT FOR THE NEW, AND COMBINE VACCINES THE CAN HARM YOUR CHILD, AND THE WILL LEAD TO learning disability which wil caused autism. NO WHAT VACCINES YOUR CHILD IS TAKEN, USE THE ORGINAL VACCINES THAT THEY HAD ON THE MARKET, LET GO FOR 1989. EVENTHOUGH , OF MY OVER CAP TYING , SCRINTY WHAT I SAY IN MY BLOGS, SHOW ME, YOU PART OF THE PROBLEM, NOT THE SOLUTION. SO NO I’m not over reacting, I know just what as chris call her DR. STURM DID, SHE KNOW I KNOW. Chris since you want to forward something over, tell her this for me, I had read every vaccines infornmation sheets they have on vaccines, the ones East Valley Medical Clinic never could get. I trusted a person for five years, walking with this BITCH while she lied, mis diagnose my children with different skin condition, changing it from one thing to another AND, SHE NEW IT THE DAMN VACCINES SHE WAS ADMINSTRATING TO MY CHILDREN. YOU,GET MY LETTER FROM THE THE (*****) AND, YOU WOULDKNOW WHAT THIS SAY. (**) (**) (w****) (f**) (M*) (c********) (*) (W****) BE DURING, LET ME GO AHEAD AND WRITE IT FOR YOU 25YR, TO LIFE BEHIND THE WAY SHE VACCINATED MY CHILDREN. CHRIS HERE SOMETHING I WANT HER TO KNOW, AND THIS DAMN COUNTY TOO. FORWARD PLEASESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. AUTISUM AND PHARAMEUTICAL COMPANIES THERE THERE IS A LINK, I HAVE SIX OF THEM. AND YOU PEOPLE DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT.

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  353. Chris
    September 28, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    In 1989 my son was damaged by a disease. Why is bad to have a vaccine against the disease that harmed him?

    You have a blog? Where?

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  354. September 28, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    @Chris – I think she thinks this is her blog, or something………still have no idea what she is talking about.

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  355. Lara Lohne
    September 28, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    yeah, it sounds like she’s telling us to go and talk about vaccine advocacy somewhere else, but I’m not really sure either. I am not able to find a topic and follow it. I’m uncertain what to do about it.

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  356. INF-b
    September 28, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    For each unique comment on these 31 posts, a $20 donation will be made to Shot@Life.  And that $20 will then immunize a child with four essential life-saving vaccines.

    Essential? Good grief. Vaccines do not even belong to Maslow’s Hierarchy of Physiological Needs.

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  357. Pamela Browden (Cossman Children )????????????????????????
    September 28, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    Yes, Ms lonhe I ‘m. I’m hurt, and very frustrated behind the new and improve vaccines. Have you every been betray not one but six time. I trusted this person, and at the end my children was black little boys, and girls that have very high ezcema. Taking your children to vaccinated so they don’t get childhood diseases, is a mother right. Putting children in two catertory groups (A) (C) to see how to vaccinate children with new vaccines is legal, espically if you did not get premission from the PARENT Yeah, I may be offst, off balance, and very much frustrated, to I can’t even see straight. talking about out of foucs, and blurry version Yeah. BUT ONE THING THAT I KEEP HEARING IS ABSOLUTELY NOT, ABSOLUTELY NOT, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THERE NO WAY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD ALLOW A PHARAMEUTICAL COMPANY TO MAKE A VACCINES THAT WOULD HARM A CHILD!!!!!! ABSOLUTELY NOT, ABSOLUTELY NOT. AND WHAT MY BRAIN DO REMEMBER IS THIS BITCH DOING VACCINATIING CHILDREN, AND AT THE END SWRILLING OUT OF THE WELL CHECK VISIT LAUGHTING, DROPPING MEISHON IMMUNIZATION RECORD ON THE LAUGHTING DOWN THE HALLWAY. I KNOW WHAT ME AND MY CHILDREN EXPERIENCES. THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD SIT AT THIS COMPUTER, AND LIE TO YOU, OR ANYBODY ON THIS BLOG PAGE.

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  358. Chris
    September 28, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    She keeps mentioning her county. I suspect she has already dealt with the people associated with the phone number I posted. We had a relative who scared her mother so much she called 911, and the daughter first had a 72 hour hold, which was extended to six weeks. These are things that are not easy for any family. I only wish Ms. Browden receives the help she needs. The problem is that she has to want it. Our relative did not, and she is no longer with us.

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  359. September 28, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    @Pamela – once again, the CAPS LOCK key is not your friend here. I would also recommend paragraphs, as it makes it much easier to read.

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  360. Chris
    September 28, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    I think it is time to ignore her. We cannot help her, and we may actually be making her condition worse.

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  361. September 28, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    @Chris – I believe you are right.

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  362. Pamela Browden (Cossman Children )????????????????????????
    September 28, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    What funny is, nobody want to find the link to austism, and vaccinces. Hey, Chris, and Lara was you shaken by the last blog, did you call or FAX that over to Dr. Sturm? What did it say, or how fast did it hang up on you , when they heard Pamela Browden/Cossman? Did they share their sercets with you? ONE THING THEY WILL TELL YOU, DONT FAX NOTHING UNLESS WE CAN GET A RESTRAIN ORDER ON HER. THAT CLINIC HOLD THE LINKS TO ALL Y’ALL INQURY MINDS THAT WANT TO KNOW, CAN A VACCINE CAUSE AUSTISM IN A CHILD. MARLEEN STURM HAVE THE KEY, NOTES AND ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO KNOW , YES SHE DO, TELL HER I SAID SO. FIVE FREAKN YEARS ON HOW NOT TO CAUSE AUSTISM IN CHILDREN USING THE NEW AND IMPROVE COMBINE VACCINES. AND, SHE CAN TELL YOU JUST WHAT COMBINATION OF VACCINCES CAN CAUSE ADVERSE REACTION IN A CHILD THAT WOULD LEAD TO AUSTISM. IT TRUE, IT TRUE, IT TRUE. ABSOLUTELY YES, IT TRUE.

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  363. Pamela Browden (Cossman Children )????????????????????????
    September 28, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    HELP ME , YOU THINK I’M LYING TO YOU. ME IS NOT THE ISSUSES HERE, MY CHILDREN ARE.

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  364. Chris
    September 28, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    She needs to get help if she wishes to be a mother to her children.

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  365. Lara Lohne
    September 28, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    I am really confused and don’t know what she is writing about. Am I horribly dense in that regard? Is anyone else able to gather the gist of her comments?

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  366. Pamela Browden (Cossman Children )????????????????????????
    September 28, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Chris, now I’m confuse is that me, you talking about that scared her mother, and my son was taken from. 1986, a chillin night in October, I pinch my son Tarron, MollyLu call the police on me, when I reminded her of the extention cord, and rhodehide whipping we use to get. Finally, get T.C to sleep, and here is 911. I went into cusstody because I had a warrent for a jaywalking ticket. Two week later I’m out, court date came my son was return to me, oh, whoa me, and T.C. went right back in the home of the scared mom home. Until she wanted to fix her lip about a welfare child, like she wasn’t on it herself with us. I have two bad cases that follow my name, one I’m truly sorry about scaring that gym teacher, I don’t remember her name, that 1985, 1994 cases involving a firmarm, and my brother. Me, and Micheal is is tighter today than we ever was, he told me the gum would not shoot. Who gave you that infor, it wasn’t the doc? My county is behind these vaccines my chidren have in them, combine anyway she wanted to give them as long as they were adminstrate at schedule time. Did the fiddle come on the roof, or did you heard the tune from the background of the phone. and who ever is in your ear, I know they going to read this. ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!THERE NO WAY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD ALLOW A PHARAMEUTICAL COMPANIES TO MAKE A VACCINE THAT WOULD HARM A CHILD. MOTHERS PLEASE DO VACCINATE YOUR CHILDREN FOR CHILDHOOD DISEASES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME KNOW WHAT VACCINES YOUR CHILD IS TAKING, AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT COMBINE, THE ARE TO STRONG. FOR OUR LOVE ONES SAKE, WHICH IS OUR CHILDREN MY HEART GOES OUT FOR ALL THE CHILDREN WHOS HAD SUFFER FROM A CHILDHOOD DISEASE, BECAUSE THEIR MOTHER WAS TO SCARED TO VACCINATE. BAND TOGETHER TO FIX THE PROBLEM, STOP THROW OUT SOLUTION OF WAIT I GOT ONE FOR (and i quote) “IF ANY.”

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  367. novalox
    September 28, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    @Lara

    You’re not the only one who’s confused on her “argument”.

    @pam

    Try using less caps lock, more indents and paragraphs, so we can see what in the world you are talking about. Otherwise, your message is lost in a morass of confusion.

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