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Just Ask! A Simple Request to Save Your Baby’s Life

I just read some interesting survey results  in Health News Digest regarding the risk of pertussis in infants.

“A large majority of parents with children aged 2 years and younger – 83 percent – believe that vaccination is important for adults in contact with infants and young children to help protect against the spread of pertussis. Yet, only 19 percent reported asking friends and family in close contact with their child to get an adult pertussis vaccination.”

I can’t say that these percentages surprise me…but they certainly do raise some questions.   

For the past year or more, I’ve been very concerned that parents of young children may not be aware of the risk of pertussis or the importance of cocooning infants by getting adults vaccinated.  I’ve written blog posts about it, shared articles on my Facebook page, and even sent direct messages to friends I know who are expected or had recently delivered.

But, based on the results of this survey, parents ARE aware of the risk.  However, they are just not willing to make a simple request of others.

Why is that?

Well, it appears that this kind of conversation makes parents feel uncomfortable.

“More than half (61 percent) of parents with children aged 2 years and younger said they would feel awkward asking a family member/caregiver to get an adult pertussis vaccine.”

Yet, the survey did indicate that parents were committed to asking friends and family to take other important safety measures when it comes to their child.

“By and large, they would ask adults/caregivers in contact with their young children to wash their hands before cuddling or handling their children (71 percent) and use only approved car safety seats (71 percent) before driving with their infant.”

Perhaps parents fear that they could not adequately explain why the adult booster is so important.  Perhaps they don’t want to run the risk of encountering a loved one who has been influenced by the massive amount of anti-vaccine misinformation that exists out there.  Or perhaps parents cling to that “It won’t happen to my child” mentality.

Whatever the reason, we have got to find a way to  help make this conversation less awkward for new parents.  Especially since 80% of pertussis cases in children can be traced back to a family member.

So what are your suggestions?

Perhaps the pertussis e-cards that are available on the CDC website will help.  Or parents may want to bring it up before they have their baby by explaining that it is something that their OB-GYN advised them to do.  Or they may feel more comfortable framing the request along with a conversation that involves a personal story of a child lost to pertussis.  There are lots of different approaches, but what have you and other concerned parents been doing?

Let’s share some ideas so maybe we can show others that it CAN be done.   

After all, it doesn’t hurt to ask.  And parents should be encouraged by another statistic revealed through this survey.  Nearly 45 percent of adults who don’t have young children in their own homes, but who are around young children,  would consider getting an adult Tdap booster vaccine if a family member asked.  And 83 percent would consider getting one if they were asked by their doctor or other health-care professional.

So be sure to do your part and JUST ASK! 

  1. liz allen
    June 14, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Australia just canceled their cocooning program to give adults the pertussis vaccine to attempt to protect newborns, the only group in much danger from natural pertussis. They said that scientific studies had shown that the vaccine just didn’t work, a fact borne out by that 91% of those who caught pertussis in California two years ago had been appropriately vaccinated. The only way to protect newborns from contracting pertussis in the four or five months when it is often dangerous to them (up to 1% of newborns with pertussis may die from it) is to quarantine them at home if anyone in their town has it at that time. Even vaccinating everyone at the door would not protect them, since in a huge percentage of people it simply doesn’t work, no matter how often they are vaccinated. If the baby gets it anyway, someone must hold them up to their shoulder all night during the period of severe coughing, to help them cough up the mucus from damaged airways.

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  2. lilady
    June 14, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    “Australia just canceled their cocooning program to give adults the pertussis vaccine to attempt to protect newborns, the only group in much danger from natural pertussis. They said that scientific studies had shown that the vaccine just didn’t work,…..”

    No Liz, you’ve got it all wrong. That subject was discussed on a thread last month…and I provided statistics and studies to one of your fellow cranks, about pertussis boosters for adults who will have contact with infants in Australia:

    https://shotofprevention.com/2012/05/04/the-cost-of-containing-an-epidemic/

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  3. Lara Lohne
    June 14, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    There is a pretty strong likelihood that most of the reason parents of young children are hesitant to ask friends and family members to get their boosters is because it’s hard to know if they are pro or anti-vaccine. Generally, it isn’t something that is discussed among friends or family unless they are already aware and of the same mind set, probably because feelings tend to be rather passionate and perhaps the friendship in their view isn’t worth the potential argument that might occur if a friend of family member was offended. The topic of vaccinate has almost become as tabu in social conversation as religion and politics.

    Personally, if I had a young child again (which I’m pretty sure isn’t going to happen, but if I was in that position again) I’d make sure my friends and family knew how important they are to me, but the life of my new child is also important and although I’d love to have them part of my child’s life, until my child is vaccinated themselves and less vulnerable, there won’t be any contact between them and my child without them making sure their immunizations are up to date and all boosters needed are received.

    Maybe that sounds harsh, but I have a tendency to turn into a bit of a tiger where my children are concerned (ask the bus driver I laid into when he threatened to kick me and my autistic son off the bus because my son was humming and rocking and the driver said it was distracting him). When it comes to protecting our children, we sometimes need to make hard choices and have hard conversations. In the end, if a person is offended that they were asked to have their vaccinations current to be included in the life of your child, they can’t have been that grand of a friend to begin with, could they? The safety of your child is important to you, therefore it should also be important to your friend, and if they are going to be that easily offended by you asking them to help you protect your child, well, in my opinion that is just selfish and they don’t deserve to be part of your child’s life anyway.

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  4. Kelly
    June 14, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    liz, you really should stop listening to your friend cia parker. cia also thought that the vaccine didn’t work and quarantine would be more effective. As lilady mentioned, her false statements were corrected. I wonder why she didn’t tell you that she was mistaken when she told you those lies? Doesn’t sound like a very good friend to have.

    Given cia’s history of lying, you really should question everything she says before you repeat it in public. She’s making you look foolish and unable to to think for yourself.

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  5. Kelly
    June 14, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    I think you’re right, Lara. I know for me, finding out that a friend or relative was anti-vaccine would make me re-evaluate my relationship with that person. Ignorance would be bliss because then I wouldn’t have to make such a hard choice.

    I think too, that vaccination is an invasive procedure, unlike hand-washing or using a car seat properly makes it a little different. Since there are risks with vaccination, although small and very rare, I think I would also be reluctant to ask friends and family members to undergo vaccination. I’d be more apt just to avoid contact with these people until the most dangerous time is over and then hope for the best after that. As Christine mentioned, it would very much be “it won’t happen to my child” mentality. Again, I’m talking the path of least resistance, but not necessarily the best path for my child.

    If I felt that the friend or family member was close enough to be part of my child’s life from the beginning, like an aunt, uncle, grandparent, dearest friend, I would think I’d have enough of a relationship with them to ask. I would say that this is important to me and then leave it in their court. If it isn’t also important enough for them, then the relationship wasn’t mutual and I would feel comfortable avoiding them for awhile.

    Perhaps a pamphlet with accurate information, so that a family member or friend could make an informed choice could be developed so that expecting parents can more easily bridge the gap? I’m thinking about something like those for other difficult topics such as talking to your kids about drugs or sex.

    It certainly is a difficult circumstance to navigate.

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  6. Chris
    June 14, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    The State of Victoria is not the entire country of Australia. You see, it is because of errors like this that we insist you provide documentation for your statements.

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  7. Jiri Mor
    June 14, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    If your kid is vaccinated, then why do you have to worry or insist everyone who comes in contact with your vaccinated child also get vaccinated? That s completely illogical. If my unvaxxed kid came in contact with your vaccinated kid, I’d be a whole lt more concerned that your kid could potentially give disease to my child. ( since they do inject your kid with live strains of the actual virus they are trying to prevent. Also, mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde are NEVER good to inject your precious child with! All with vaccines that have, aborted fetal cells in the mix! It s ludicrous to even suggest, putting these toxic neurotoxins into anything let along a child you swear you love. So, again, my question to you is, if your child is vaccinated, then why do you concern yourself with whether or not my child is faxed, I mean according to your logic, you have given your child a vaccine to protect them from the disease. If anyone, and I mean ANYONE, insisted I or my child got vaxxed just to be part of their life, they aren’t worth my time. My child and their health is number 1. You probably vax your kids because you think you are helping them and because you live them. I DON’T vax mine for the exact same reason. Educate yourself and think for yourself. The world is in a health crisis and vaccines aren’t preventing disease, they are causing it.
    THINKTWICE.COM

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  8. Jiri Mor
    June 14, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    So essentially you are showing no confidence in the vaccine your child has been given. It sent your choice as to what other people do. Herd immunity is bogus and my body and my child is noones concern.

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  9. Kelly
    June 14, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    Newborns are too young to be vaccinated for pertussis, Jiri.

    Also, no vaccine is 100% perfect. Disease prevention involves vaccination and limiting exposure. Unvaccinated children are 23X more likely to get, and thus transmit pertussis, then vaccinated children. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19482753)

    The DTaP vaccine is an inactivated vaccine, thus there is no way a vaccinated child could make your child sick. Furthermore, if you are unwilling to vaccinate your child and thus leave them susceptible to disease, why would you be concerned about the attenuated viruses in vaccines? The wild, natural virus is way more harmful than the vaccine virus, which doesn’t cause disease at all.

    Some brands of DTaP contain trace amounts of thimerosal, but others do not. Thimerosal is a mercury compound; it is not mercury. The aluminum salts in the vaccine are adjuvants to stimulate the immune response. Adjuvants are necessary to make the vaccine work and thus beneficial. Formaldehyde is used to inactivate the toxins used to make the vaccines. The body makes 10X more formaldehyde every day. These chemicals are not toxic in the concentrations found in the vaccines.

    There are no aborted fetal cells in vaccines. Some vaccines are made with viruses that have been grown in cells derived from an aborted fetus over 40 years ago, but these cells are destroyed by the virus.

    Sadly, you have made a decision made on numerous misunderstandings of how vaccines work, the risks associated with vaccines and their ingredients. In the process, you have left your child vulnerable to harm. If that is not your intention, then perhaps it is you that needs to think twice and get information from credible sites instead of anti-vax sites that feed your lies. All of the anti-vax misinformation is easily refuted. Here is a list of credible sites to get you started. Thinking for yourself does not mean regurgitating anti-vax talking points. http://www.who.int/immunization_safety/safety_quality/vaccine_safety_websites/en/index.html

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  10. Kelly
    June 14, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Newborns are too young to be vaccinated.

    Your child is my concern, which is why I try to correct your misinformation. I also vaccinate myself and my child to create herd immunity. Your child benefits from this herd immunity whether you believe in it or not. You’re welcome.

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  11. Jiri
    June 14, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Well, you keep following that herd mentality! Keep injecting neurotoxins and dead baby cells into your off spring. I’ve been researching this for 18 years. I am anything but misinformed.

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  12. Jiri
    June 14, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    I will never change your mind, nor will you change mine! You are the one who is regurgitating the Pharma garbage and vaccine propaganda. Help your self, but do know, that the so called facts you spit out, are blatant lies. You should be really careful, you look filled with deception. What you quoted as fact, is lies. You can call it mercury, you can call it thimerasol, it is a neurotoxin, look it up. The aluminum, you really should do your research. Formaldehyde, we embalm our dead people with it, it is neurotoxic, look it up. Aborted fetal cells, it’s in there. You are wrong, and you failed to address the question.
    Also, when I had my little one 6 years ago,with no Hep B in my body whatsoever, they automatically want to vaccine my baby with hep b, of course I said no, but everything you said isn’t in the shots, are absolutely I the shots, and that was the short list. 25 years ago, autism was 1 in 25,000 and now it is roughly 1in 66. The vaccine schedule has tripled and the health has declined. Last year in India, over 47,000 people suffered adverse polio reaction and many thousands suffered some for of paralysis, but the main stream media fails to report that. The HPV is a complete and total sham, it has eugenics written all over it,and currently has been banned in several countries including France because it is killing young girls. But not in America, it’s now been mandated for boys as well. Well who knew, Gardasil was formulated for the prevention of cervical cancer…my son still has no cervix and hell no he will never be made to get that shot. The aluminum you mentioned, per sound research it has been well established that Alzhemers patients have a large amount of aluminum in there brain and is erasing there life, also, it has been established that patients who receive more than 5 consecutive flu shots develop a higher propensity for developing Alzheimer’s. I’m sure you will refute everything I said so I’ll end this with just LIVE AND LET LIVE!

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  13. Kelly
    June 14, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    I’ve been researching this for 18 years. I am anything but misinformed.

    She says while spouting misinformation like the vaccine ingredients are neurotoxic and contain cells.

    If you are not misinformed, why do you say misinformed things?

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  14. Chris
    June 14, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    Jiri Mor:

    , I’d be a whole lt more concerned that your kid could potentially give disease to my child. ( since they do inject your kid with live strains of the actual virus they are trying to prevent.

    Prove it. Provide the title, journal and dates of the PubMed indexed paper that this often happens with each and every vaccine on the present pediatric vaccine schedule in the USA. Because it would be really interesting to see how viruses are shed from the DTaP and Hib vaccines.

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  15. Chris
    June 14, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    Jiri:

    I’ve been researching this for 18 years.

    Oh, excellent. Then you would have no problem providing proper scientific documentation for every statement you make. Just post the title, journal and date of the PubMed indexed paper to support all of your future comments.

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  16. Kelly
    June 14, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    Help your self, but do know, that the so called facts you spit out, are blatant lies. You should be really careful, you look filled with deception. What you quoted as fact, is lies. You can call it mercury, you can call it thimerasol, it is a neurotoxin, look it up.

    Please provide the evidence that shows vaccines contain neurotoxins. Then explain how the vaccine is more neurotoxic than a real neurotoxin like tetanospasmin that the vaccine protects against.

    Please explain how I’m lying? Just saying so, doesn’t make it so, especially when I have evidence to back up what I say and you don’t.

    As for the rest of your post. Your argument by assertion isn’t at all convincing, especially when I go and look it up and find that you are mistaken.

    Vaccines don’t cause autism.

    Last year in India, over 47,000 people suffered adverse polio reaction and many thousands suffered some for of paralysis, but the main stream media fails to report that.

    Why would you expect the media to report some falsehood that you just made up?

    The HPV is a complete and total sham, it has eugenics written all over it,and currently has been banned in several countries including France because it is killing young girls.

    Again, you are mistaken. If HPV vaccine is banned in France, why is it part of their recommended schedule? http://www.euvac.net/graphics/euvac/vaccination/france.html

    Well who knew, Gardasil was formulated for the prevention of cervical cancer…my son still has no cervix and hell no he will never be made to get that shot.

    Well, I guess if he never has sex with a person who has a cervix, you would be on to something. If he does, his lack of concern for his partner’s health is really alarming. Are you really raising your son to be such an unloving user of women?

    The aluminum you mentioned, per sound research it has been well established that Alzhemers patients have a large amount of aluminum in there brain and is erasing there life, also, it has been established that patients who receive more than 5 consecutive flu shots develop a higher propensity for developing Alzheimer’s.

    Wrong again. http://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_myths_about_alzheimers.asp
    “A theory linking flu shots to a greatly increased risk of Alzheimer’s disease has been proposed by a U.S. doctor whose license was suspended by the South Carolina Board of Medical Examiners. Several mainstream studies link flu shots and other vaccinations to a reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease and overall better health.”

    I’m sure you will refute everything I said so I’ll end this with just LIVE AND LET LIVE!

    If you know that what you are saying is easily refuted, why do you type such nonsense? Why not just get it right in the first place?

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  17. Jiri
    June 14, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    So what your saying is, that if I show you the articles that are endorsed by the CDC, FDA and the pharmaceutical company showing vaccine dangers and risks…then you’ll believe?

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  18. Kelly
    June 15, 2012 at 12:00 am

    I go where the evidence takes me. If you have evidence that shows that vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases, then by all means, I’d stop vaccinating in a heart beat.

    Lay it on us.

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  19. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 12:07 am

    I’m not raising my son to be a liberal whore who commits fornication with multiple partners, I’m raising him to be a Godly husband of one wife. Per your comment on my son being unloving towards his partner

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  20. Lara Lohne
    June 15, 2012 at 12:21 am

    You have missed the point of this article. This is about asking close friends and family members of parents of newborns and infants too young to be vaccinated, to make sure their vaccines are up to date to ensure they don’t expose the new baby to a pathogen that could cause serious harm or death.

    All the trite claims you have made have been rebutted and counters again and again in this very blog, not to mention numerous studies that show how ludicrous your claims are. You think I’m not educated? I grew up in an anti-vaccine household so I know all the lies they hold to and take to heart. I grew up hearing them and believing them, but when I actually did research on the diseases and the vaccines oddly enough, I didn’t feel that I was being brainwashed to believe something, I felt enlightened and all the junk that I had been led to believe before seemed almost like superstitious nonsense.

    There is NO science that backs up your claims, and almost countless studies that refute it. Who is the one that is not educated?

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  21. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 12:31 am

    Wasnt thalidomide proven safe an effective through your scientific methods, how about phen phen, plavix, Ritalin, Prozac…did you even know that Ritalin wasn’t intended for human consumption,ritalin originally formulated for passifying vicious dogs…that’s a fact, it is now causing brain lesions. I know that no matter what I say to you, you will find a way to discredit what I say. I’m okay with that. If you genuinely really want the truth, how about opening yourself up to the testimony of the parents whose children were once fine and are either now dead or digressed into something very different than what they used to be prior to vaccines.
    Check some YouTube videos and hear the testimony of mothers whose daughters are now dead because they too felt like they wanted to protect their children and get them the latest shots for the prevention of this or that. Go look on you tube for the former CEO of a Eli lili pharmaceuticals and listen to the testimony of corruption and money and greed…it will shock you. Before you rip apart at everything I’ve said, know that I have taken the collective e pertinence of many and formed my decision not based on just one publication endorsed by the very people who profit from it all. I don’t trust the government, and I’m not alone, just ask an Indian if you can really trust the government.mone more note on the topic, I am a military wife and I have traveled for 19 years through the career of my husband, I have moved extensively, 17 different addresses, the things I have witnessed personally and have watched be covered up, would astound you. In these years through the many moves I have made,I have personally watched three different friends/ neighbors lose their perfectly fine healthy developing just fine. Hidden, end up dead after receiving MMR vaccine. I witnessed it all, I know what I’m saying is true, it bothers me nothing that you think I’m foolish or wrong. My kids have never been I’ll, never had an ear infection and are really quite intelligent. Vaccining them would never be a choice I would be willing to take…that’s just me.
    Have you ever heard of the Tuskegee experiment….okay, same government, I have a friend near death with anureuism after receiving mandatory anthrax vaccine…tragic…no choice, and yet, fully disabled and acknowledged by the united states marine corps and now your paying with your tax dollars to fund his disability for life. He would rather you keep your money, and have his vision back,mbut you can’t undo what’s been done. So he will gladly settle for your money…stop reading ONLY endorsed information, start listening to the testimony of people who have been truly damaged by this, otherwise, keep drinking the kool aid…I hope it tastes good…aspartame, that’s another subject, the same FDA that approves all of this wicked nonsense,approved that, research it and follow the money, made in a pharmaceutical lab…look up what it is, also a result of the health crisis in America…high fructose corn syrup…in everything, if it’s not harmful for you, them why annoy buy it on the supermarket shelf? It also contains, mercury…ever hear of Monsanto? GMO food…it’s not just vaccines, it’s an entirely funded eugenics operation…google bill gates talking about reducing the worlds population and look to see just exactly how he was going to accomplish this. It’s so controversial, you could easily find the viideo in the ne t 30 seconds
    All the best

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  22. Kelly
    June 15, 2012 at 12:32 am

    Good luck with that considering only 20% of American men have only 1 sexual partner in their lifetime. Interestingly, 56% have 5 or more partners. The odds are not in your favor, especially if you encourage your son to think for himself and not just blindly follow what his mommy tells him. What makes you think he’ll only want 1 partner? What if she dies or divorces him? He should lead a life of celibacy because he is too cowardly to do the right thing to protect his future lovers?

    http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/FAQ.html

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  23. Kelly
    June 15, 2012 at 12:40 am

    OK, so you’ve got nothing but conspiracy theories and logical fallacies. Why not just say that instead of a big long rant of nonsense that makes you look crazy in addition to foolish?

    Just be honest and say that you fear vaccines because you prefer fantasy over reality and lack the skills to think critically. Instead you repeat whatever nonsense you saw in a YouTube video.

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  24. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 12:40 am

    With God ALL things are possible!
    It is a lifestyle with promise and blessings. Don’t know it til you try it. I’m raising my son to not follow the way of the world. It may nt be an attainable goal for yourself, however, it is a reality in the house.

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  25. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 12:45 am

    No, I’ll stick with what I said! And a conspiracy is just that when there is nothing to back it up, there is plenty of evidence to everything I am saying which by the very definition of a conspiracy theory is deemed. When evidence is present, it is no longer a conspiracy. You obviously watch CNN and FOX, unplug yourself, start thinking for yourself.
    Again, you did it again, it isn’t necessary for your condescension, I utilize many mediums for making an informed decision, the only one you are using are the ones endorsed by the problem.
    Would love to see a study of the autism rates in unvaccinated children, that study does not exist…why?

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  26. Kelly
    June 15, 2012 at 12:47 am

    I’m glad your unvaccinated child will not life amongst normal people. It makes him less likely to harm others that way.

    However, it doesn’t help your claim that you made a rational decision about vaccines when you base your life on fantasy. May you find happiness in your fantasy world. I personally prefer to live in reality. Since your beliefs aren’t founded on reality, why do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

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  27. Kelly
    June 15, 2012 at 12:51 am

    If there is plenty of evidence, why haven’t you posted any?

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  28. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 12:51 am

    You quoted what I said, and then dismissed it completely…you attack me with your condesecion but you never really address what got you so emotionally charged to begin with…your going to quote what I said, then address it, thalidomide …start with that…I remember what this thread was originally about, why are you attacking me?
    And I would never ask anyone to vaccinate their person or kid for me or mine. If someone asked that of me, they would have to kindly kiss my ass!

    Kelly :
    OK, so you’ve got nothing but conspiracy theories and logical fallacies. Why not just say that instead of a big long rant of nonsense that makes you look crazy in addition to foolish?
    Just be honest and say that you fear vaccines because you prefer fantasy over reality and lack the skills to think critically. Instead you repeat whatever nonsense you saw in a YouTube video.

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  29. Lara Lohne
    June 15, 2012 at 12:53 am

    Many of your statements are severely off topic. We are talking about making the task of asking close friends and family members of parents with newborns to make sure their vaccines are up to date, easier for new parents to do. We aren’t talking about ridiculous fringe group conspiracy theories meant to scare people into believe their government and many other wealthy people are plotting to kill everyone but those involved in the plot. Seriously? Logically, that is just stupid, really, and that is being nice.

    You sound very much like a poster here from a couple of months ago who also went on and on about ridiculous government conspiracies and cover ups and she also claimed she had morgellon’s disease. YouTube videos are not scientific studies and can’t be taken as such. Anyone, who lacks integrity, will say anything they are told to say, and if they are paid enough they may actually start to believe it, but it is only advertising for a specific point, propaganda to poison people against science. Science isn’t glamorous, it also isn’t very entertaining, and it certainly isn’t emotionally stirring for most people. However, none of those things, or the lack of those things, change the facts, and the facts are not behind your claims.

    Basically, personal anecdotes are not scientific evidence and when science (independent studies by multiple countries) disprove the claims made by these personal anecdotes, and my own personal experience also counters it, I’m going to follow the path that makes the most sense, the science. Logically, I couldn’t make any other choice, once all the data are weighed and measured and taken at face value. We don’t live in a magical land or a fantasy world. Magic, dragons and fairies don’t exist, and your conspiracies fall into the same categories as these other things.

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  30. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 12:54 am

    My sons both go to school, they both do sports, they both attend church, they have sleepovers, and sleepover ….we go to parks and city’s and vacation and we fit right in with it all. I feel bad for their perpetually green spotted sickly friends whose parents go inject them with poison when the schedule says to. I use my right to a vaccine exemption form. I will continue to do this, t works for us…my grandmother who is 98 years old, never had a vaccine in her life, she could run half these kids vaccinedkids around the bush!

    Kelly :
    I’m glad your unvaccinated child will not life amongst normal people. It makes him less likely to harm others that way.
    However, it doesn’t help your claim that you made a rational decision about vaccines when you base your life on fantasy. May you find happiness in your fantasy world. I personally prefer to live in reality. Since your beliefs aren’t founded on reality, why do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

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  31. Kelly
    June 15, 2012 at 12:57 am

    Assertions made without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. This is logic. No emotion involved. Just because I didn’t fall for your illogical distractions doesn’t mean I didn’t consider them.

    This blog is about vaccines, not other drugs. It is not my problem that you are unable to discuss the topic at hand so you switch topics to something you think you can win. How about you post the evidence you promised about vaccines instead?

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  32. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 12:59 am

    Perhaps off topic to you, but why won’t you comment about those things that were once deemed safe and effective and necessary, your extremely rude and argumentative and I’m not really getting why. It’s my opinion, I’m not alone in this opinion, one of us is right and one of us is wrong. Stop being contentious

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  33. Kelly
    June 15, 2012 at 1:05 am

    Oh, so you lied when you said your son won’t live in this world and thus endanger others. You now assert that they do expose others to increased risk of harm.

    Nice values you are teaching them, Jiri. Seems like dishonesty reins supreme in your fantasy world. Sorry, that’s not how I strive to live my life.

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  34. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 1:10 am

    [EDITOR’s NOTE: This comment has been removed due to vulgar and abusive language.]

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  35. Kelly
    June 15, 2012 at 1:11 am

    Yes, and you are the one that is wrong. You have based your opinion on misinformation, logical fallacies and fantasy.

    You have been dishonest. You admitted to posting information you knew was wrong and easily refuted but posted it any way. Instead of providing evidence to support your claims, you provide long, off-topic irrelevant rants.

    You can have your opinion, Jiri, but that doesn’t mean we have to take your opinion seriously. If you are going to act like a fool, don’t be surprised when people treat you like a fool.

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  36. Lara Lohne
    June 15, 2012 at 1:13 am

    That’s funny that you say I’m being contentious when you were the one that came in swinging straight off. You attacked me and yes when you spout off a lot of nonsense, don’t think I’m not going to point out how ridiculous it is.

    I realize that you have your opinion and that you are not the only one that shares it, and if you kept that opinion to yourselves there would be no issue. But you continually spread your opinion, which is misinformation and falsehoods and try to pass it off as fact by presenting youtube videos, personal stories and pseudoscience and refuse to accept when actual science proved your opinion wrong. That is no longer having an opinion, but it is denial. There is fact and when fact proves opinion wrong that opinion is no longer valid. Clinging to it doesn’t make it any more valid then it ever was. There was a time when the entire world believed the world was flat, science has proved otherwise and yet there are still people out there who believe it’s flat. Granted their opinion isn’t nearly as dangerous as yours but yours is just about as silly as theirs is.

    If someone makes a claim that is stupid, I am going to say that it’s stupid. If you find that rude, I apologize that you are not able to take my bluntness and in some cases brutal honesty. I don’t sugar coat, because when it comes to the life and health of children who have no say in the matter (I can still, sometimes, feel the anger I felt when I first realized all the anti-vaccine crap I grew up believing was nothing but crap, and the danger I was put it and the pain I was made to suffer because of it) this is something I feel very passionately about and I don’t believe something this serious and the potential harm that can be done by the misinformation shouldn’t be sugar coated. If that makes me rude, well, paint me rude and I don’t really care. But ya know, you were rude first so right back at ya babe!

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  37. Kelly
    June 15, 2012 at 1:16 am

    So you posted a bunch of irrelevant nonsense to show your opinion about vaccines is based on irrelevant nonsense? OK. Again, why should I take you seriously?

    I’m still waiting for you to provide the evidence you promised. Once you do, then I’ll comment on it.

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  38. Lara Lohne
    June 15, 2012 at 1:20 am

    Lara Lohne :
    this is something I feel very passionately about and I don’t believe something this serious and the potential harm that can be done by the misinformation shouldn’t be sugar coated.

    I believe I put in a double negative here: “I don’t believe something this serious with the potential hard that can be done by the misinformation, SHOULD be sugar coated.” There, I think that makes more sense now. *forehead doink*

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  39. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 1:29 am

    And there are other countries outside of the USA. They also have vaccine programs, and research universities. If you don’t like American sources you can choose to post PubMed articles from Japan (where the DTaP and varicella vaccine were developed, which should make them okay-dokay since they are not “Western”), Sweden, Australia, Germany… well, you get the picture. Here are a couple as examples:

    Measles vaccine coverage and factors related to uncompleted vaccination among 18-month-old and 36-month-old children in Kyoto, Japan

    and

    Vaccination Status and Health in Children and Adolescents

    Your eighteen years of research should contain many other articles of similar quality from other parts of this planet.

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  40. Lara Lohne
    June 15, 2012 at 1:36 am

    hard = harm *wow, tired*

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  41. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 1:42 am

    Jiri:

    Wasnt thalidomide proven safe an effective through your scientific methods,

    Actually, no. That is why Dr. Frances Kelsey refused to let it be used in the USA as an employee of the FDA. You do know that it was never approved for use in the USA for pregnant women? Right?

    Can you tell us how many American babies were affected by thalidomide? And which company is giving money to certain political candidates who want to undermine the FDA? It is the same company that thought it was a good idea to sell a cough medicine that killed kids. They were also behind bringing thalidomide to the USA.

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  42. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 1:43 am

    View the risks of Specific Vaccines here.

    Vaccine risk may be a difficult thing to precisely assess, but undeniably each vaccine includes a significant risk worth considering – and investigating. The citations on this page point to an increasingly grave scenario as we witness an escalation of chronic disease. Even vaccine manufacturers admit that vaccines cannot be made safe, by their very nature.

    In this section we question vaccine safety in several ways: …more

    Storage Conditions for Vaccines

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    1. “Study on immunosuppressive effect of vaccination against infectious bursal disease”
    “Histopathological studies of lymphoid organs indicated that the vaccines induced bursal damage after vaccination. Antibody response to vaccination against Newcastle disease (ND) measured at 31st and 38th day of age showed significantly low (p<0.05) ND haemagglutination inhibition antibody titers as compared to birds of control group indicating immunosuppressive effects of both the IBD vaccines on the immune system. From the present study, it was revealed that vaccine against IBD vaccines imposed immunosuppressive effect."
    Samanta A., et al, Indian Journal of Veterinary Pathology, 2011, Volume : 35, Issue : 2 — 2/12/2012

    2. "A cluster of nonspecific adverse events in a military reserve unit following pandemic influenza A (H1N1) 2009 vaccination—Possible stimulated reporting?"
    "On February 20, 2010, a 23 year old male Army Reservist (index case) with symptom onset 4 h after receiving inactivated monovalent pandemic 2009 (H1N1) vaccine (MIV) was hospitalized with possible Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS). Within 1–2 days, 13 reservists from the same unit presented to the emergency department and 14 filed Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) reports of nonspecific symptoms following MIV. "
    Michael M. McNeil, et al, Vaccine — 2/3/2012

    3. "Risk of Febrile Seizures and Epilepsy After Vaccination With Diphtheria, Tetanus, Acellular Pertussis, Inactivated Poliovirus, and Haemophilus Influenzae Type b "
    "Conclusions DTaP-IPV-Hib vaccination was associated with an increased risk of febrile seizures on the day of the first 2 vaccinations given at 3 and 5 months, although the absolute risk was small. "
    Yuelian Sun, PhD, et al, JAMA. 2012;307(8):823-831. — 1/1/2012

    4. "Gardasil Researcher Criticizes Moves to Make HPV Vaccine Mandatory"
    "Dr. Diane Harper, a top expert on the Human Papillomavirus (HPV), says Merck’s aggressive campaign to convince states to adopt mandatory Gardasil vaccine guidelines enters into a “real danger zone.”"
    No Author, NewsInferno — 5/8/2008

    5. "FoodConsumer.org"
    "The HPV vaccine obtained FDA approval early in 2006. By October, 2007, the US government had received 3,461 reports of side and adverse effects including 11 cases in which women died after receiving the HPV vaccine."
    Wasserman B, HPV vaccine: What doctors do not tell you — 5/8/2008

    6. "HPV Scientist Speaks Out"
    "Speaking out in her first such television interview with WFOR-TV Chief Investigative Reporter Michele Gillen, Dr. Harper expresses concerns over what she considers a rush to recommend and mandate the vaccination of very young girls with the vaccine. "It went too fast, it went too fast without any breaks," says Harper, who devoted nearly two decades of her career to research on HPV… According to Dr. Harper, "the vaccine has not been out long enough for us to have post marketing surveillance to really understand what all the potential side effects are going to be… "We don't know yet what's going to happen when millions of doses of the vaccine have been given and to put in process a place that says you must have this vaccine, it means you must be part of a big public experiment. So we can't do that until we have more data.""
    No Author, CBS4.com — 5/7/2008

    7. "Merck warned by FDA over vaccine plant failings"
    "Merck is accused of not investigating why some batches of product were outside of specifications, as well as "failure to maintain production and process control," according to the FDA. There have also been complaints of vaccines vials being over-pressurised and leaking, and rogue fibres have been found contaminating some vaccine vials. In addition, unresolved issues affecting bulk drug substance manufacture at the plant included that product was re-dispensed before filling – with no additional stability testing – while material leached out of filters used in bioprocessing into process intermediates."
    Taylor P, in-Pharma — 5/5/2008

    8. "Kid dies after vaccine shot"
    "A three-month-old boy, which was administered vaccine on Wednesday, died on Saturday. The child's parents alleged that death was due to vaccination while the Health Department declared it to be death due to diarrhoea."
    No Author, Newindpress — 5/5/2008

    9. "Drug giant profits from human suffering"
    "Inspectors also found instances of contaminated children’s vaccines and uninvestigated complaints at Merck’s West Point plant. Samuel Young, a retired FDA deputy director, told the Philadelphia Inquirer, “Vaccine-makers were supposed to investigate vaccine lots if their use was associated with a death or a life-threatening event.” The FDA report noted that Merck had failed to investigate two such cases. In 2005 a patient treated with Merck’s pneumococcal vaccine Pneumovax developed a half-dollar-size abscess and required intravenous antibiotics to contain the infection."
    Piette B, Workers World — 5/3/2008

    10. "Link between vaccine, autism is disputed"
    "Rick Rollens, the parent of an autistic child in Granite Bay, Calif., said his son, now 17, was 7 months old when he received a series of vaccinations, and his behavior changed dramatically. "He was never the same after that," said Rollens, whose son was diagnosed with autism at the age of 17 months. Rollens dismisses epidemiological studies that public officials cite in making their case for vaccinations. "They're done by people who have a vested interest in protecting the status quo," Rollens said. "Vaccine and immunization policy is a sacred cow of the public health community and Big Pharma," he said, referring to large pharmaceutical companies."

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  43. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 1:44 am

    Vaccine Risks
    History
    View the risks of Specific Vaccines here.

    Vaccine risk may be a difficult thing to precisely assess, but undeniably each vaccine includes a significant risk worth considering – and investigating. The citations on this page point to an increasingly grave scenario as we witness an escalation of chronic disease. Even vaccine manufacturers admit that vaccines cannot be made safe, by their very nature.

    In this section we question vaccine safety in several ways: …more

    Storage Conditions for Vaccines

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    11. “Fainting cases from vaccines double with new shots”
    ” Fainting, or syncope, can be triggered by vaccinations and other medical procedures, the CDC said. The number of fainting episodes has risen since the CDC recommended Merck & Co.’s cancer vaccine, Sanofi Aventis’s meningitis vaccine, and shots against whooping cough, tetanus and diphtheria sold by Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline Plc. About 63 percent of the fainting episodes occurred after one of the three new shots.”
    Bloomberg, DallasMorningNews — 5/1/2008

    12. “Syncope After Vaccination — United States, January 2005–July 2007”
    “Syncope (vasovagal reaction), or fainting, can be triggered by various stimuli, including medical procedures (1–3). Syncope has been documented to occur after vaccination, most commonly among adolescents, and can result in hospitalization for a medical evaluation or because of injury.”
    No Author, Trading Markets.com — 5/1/2008

    13. “FDA Report Exposes Troubles at Merck Vaccine Plant”
    “A new FDA report, obtained and brought to the attention of the public by Karl Stark of the Philadelphia Inquirer and available to anyone via the federal Freedom of Information Action Act (FOIA), reveals that a Merck vaccine plant located in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania was cited for 49 items, including failure to follow good manufacturing practices and some contaminated vaccines for children.”
    Waldron J, NaturalNews — 5/1/2008

    14. “Vaccine damage”
    “What the medical profession is loath to admit is that there is more of a link between these (ADHD) disorders and the introduction of mass vaccination programmes than just a temporal one. That profession will admit that vaccines can cause fullblown encephalitis/encephalopathy (they trigger inflammation by their very nature), but they are strategically silent as regards to subclinical brain damage/disorder.”
    No Author, The Herald — 5/1/2008

    15. “FDA Report Cites 49 Safety Issues At Merck Vaccine Plant”
    “ween November of last year and this past January, the FDA “cited 49 areas of concern, including a failure to follow good manufacturing practices” at Merck & Co. Inc’s vaccine plant in Pennsylvania.”
    No Author, The Consumerist — 5/1/2008

    16. “Toxic shock syndrome killed TN kids”
    “Toxic shock syndrome (TSS) killed the four children in Tamil Nadu after they were administered measles vaccine on April 23, a fact finding team has concluded. ”
    No Author, Teh Times of India — 4/30/2008

    17. “Killer measles vaccine on hold”
    “”I had not taken my daughter to the hospital even once after the birth. And the first time she was taken she died, said Arputhamaal, a mother. Another mother recounts the horror she faced at the immunization centre. ”She died at the centre itself soon after the (measles) vaccine. Froth started coming out of her nose instantly,” said Suganthy.”
    Choudry M, NDTV.com — 4/26/2008

    18. “One more death after vaccination”
    “Amid rising concern over baby vaccines, a 3-month-old baby boy died at Kambainallur village here this morning, 10 days after he was given the triple antigen or DTP and Hepatitis B shots. With four baby deaths on Wednesday in Thiruvallur and Tirutani sending panic waves across the state, the grieving father of the child has filed a police complaint .. Not convinced with the treatment at government hospital, Anusuya and her husband, rushed to a private hospital in Salem, where the doctors conducted “cerebral fluorisis test” and suspected brain fever. When there was no improvement in the child’s condition, they moved the child to another private clinic in Salem. But there was little chance of survival and the child was brought back home yesterday afternoon. Early today, the child died. ”
    Venkatesan R, The Times of India — 4/26/2008

    19. “India recalls measles vaccine after child deaths”
    “India has recalled over four million doses of a measles vaccine supplied by a south Indian drug manufacturer after four children died following inoculation with the drug, reports said Friday…. Parents said their babies started frothing at the mouth and nose and died within 15 to 20 minutes of being administered the vaccine, news channel NDTV reported.”
    No Author, AFP — 4/26/2008

    20. “A fate worse than death”
    “As of March, more than 7000 incidents relating to the (HPV) vaccine have been reported to the US’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, including 13 deaths, 204 hospitalizations, and, out of which, 124 young girls have been left disabled. Commentators agree that this is merely the tip of the iceberg as it’s reckoned just 10 per cent of adverse reactions ever get reported, especially if they are transitory.”
    No Author, WDDTY — 4/25/2008

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  44. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 1:46 am

    View the risks of Specific Vaccines here.

    Vaccine risk may be a difficult thing to precisely assess, but undeniably each vaccine includes a significant risk worth considering – and investigating. The citations on this page point to an increasingly grave scenario as we witness an escalation of chronic disease. Even vaccine manufacturers admit that vaccines cannot be made safe, by their very nature.

    In this section we question vaccine safety in several ways: …more

    Storage Conditions for Vaccines

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    31. “Dr.: Diabetes linked to TB vaccine”
    “A U.S. doctor who opposes vaccinating diabetics, said type 2 diabetes decreased in children after a single vaccine for tuberculous was omitted. Dr. J. Barthelow Classen of Classen Immunotherapies of Baltimore proposes a theory that vaccines or other strong immune stimulants may lead to the development of hyperactive immune systems.”
    No Author, UPI — 4/7/2008

    32. “”
    “She tells the story of a younger sister who, at two months old, suffered brain damage from an adverse reaction to the DPT vaccine. The on-camera interviews with her parents as well as Williams’ own recollections gave Hali the voice she never had during her short 18 years. Although the audience wasn’t purposely led down a maudlin path, the idea that such destruction from a simple immunization was quite sobering.”
    Jones T, The Daily Page — 4/6/2008

    33. “Vaccine Induced Inflammation Linked to Epidemic of Type 2 Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome”
    “Newly published data by Dr. J. Barthelow Classen in The Open Endocrinology Journal shows a 50% reduction of type 2 diabetes occurred in Japanese children following the discontinuation of a single vaccine, a vaccine to prevent tuberculosis. This decline occurred at a time when there is a global epidemic of type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome, which includes obesity, altered blood cholesterol levels, high blood pressure, and increased blood glucose resulting from insulin resistance.”
    No Author, PRNewswire — 4/5/2008

    34. “JENNY MCCARTHY – MCCARTHY RAGES AT VACCINE DOCTORS”
    “Banging her hand on King’s table, she scolded, “The increase (in immunisation) is ridiculous, you guys… It’s plain and simple. It’s bulls**t… Too many shots, too soon. “My son ‘died’ in front of me due to a vaccine injury… and every week I get a picture sent to me of a child, following a vaccination.” ”
    No Author, ContactMusic.com — 4/5/2008

    35. “Foot-and-mouth lab ‘ineffective’ says review”
    “The inquiry – chaired by Dr Iain Anderson who also led the inquiry into the 2001 outbreak – described the initial leak of the virus from a fractured drain in the Pirbright facilities as “an avoidable event … that should never have happened.””
    No Author, Labnews.co.uk — 4/2/2008

    36. “Vaccinations and Drugs are being forced on the Public, Part II”
    “There are vaccinations that are available today that I did not take as a child. I risked it and got Chicken Pox at age 10 and since then, I have not had a recurring bout with the disease. But today, the Chicken Pox vaccine is available. The moderate to severe side effects include seizures and pneumonia. Getting the Chicken Pox is annoying at best. But it isn’t life threatening. The side effects from the vaccine are…. Many parents think that child immunizations are normal, that they will protect their child from various diseases. WRONG! If anything, the shots will make them sicker.”
    Benamon F, American Chronicle — 4/2/2008

    37. “Nats call for crisis meeting on tick fever”
    “He blamed a “live” vaccine used in Queensland to control tick fever which is widespread in coastal areas of the state for its transmission on cattle sent over the NSW border. “Cattle inoculated with the live vaccine can infect non-vaccinated animals they come close to. That is the problem the government is ignoring,” Mr George said. Ballina Nationals MP Don Page said a widespread tick-fever outbreak would be disastrous for the cattle industry.”
    No Author, Tweed Daily News — 3/31/2008

    38. “Vaccinations and drugs are being forced on the public, Part I”
    “Vaccinations and drugs the government says fight against disease are being forced on the public more and more these days. These are vaccines that are not necessary and are having serious health effects on the public. Suicide. Seizures. Fainting. The list goes on and on. Are those the sort of side effects you would want associated with your medicines or a vaccination? ”
    Benamon F, RenweAmerica.com — 3/30/2008

    39. “Testing Times”
    “AT Kasauli in Himachal Pradesh’s Solan district, the Central Research Institute (CRI) … faces the threat of closure of its production units following the suspension of its licence for reasons that are best understood by the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare… has concluded that the institute failed to comply with the conditions of licence as stipulated under the Drugs and Cosmetics Rules. It states that the institute does not have adequate number of staff and plants and its premises are also not big enough. The good manufacturing practice (GMP) standards as laid down in Schedule M of the Drugs and Cosmetics Rules have also not been complied with, the CLAA says. The licence was suspended on the basis of two inspections, one on August 13 and 14, 2007, and the other on January 7 and 8, 2008. After the first inspection, the CRI was given a show-cause notice, in December 2007. Its request that it be given one to one and a half years to establish new facilities was not considered.”
    Rajalakshmi TJ, FrontLine — 3/29/2008

    40. “Some fear infant vaccinations risky shot in dark”
    “EDITOR’S NOTE: Four newly required vaccines for young children entering school have rekindled the debate about the safety and necessity of vaccinations. Some parents worry about side effects, such as fever and swelling. Some want to know more about studies that link the timing or the number of shots given at once — and the contents of the shots — to serious lifelong disabilities. Before age 6, a child gets well over 30 inoculations, often several at a time. Some of those shots dispense multiple vaccines.”

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  45. lilady
    June 15, 2012 at 1:49 am

    Oh ho, a real live ignorant conspiracy theorist and anti-vaxxer all rolled up…she’s nasty as well.

    So, Jiri, you’ve researched vaccines for 18 years, eh? Want to share some of those superb internet sites or PubMed citations with us?

    How about those kids that you personally know who died from a vaccine; I would imagine those deaths would have been front page news and reported on the internet. Care to provide a link to those reports?

    Just another negligent parent, who denies her children the protection of immunization and is a “free rider”…depending that other parents immunize their kids, to protect her *special snowflakes*.

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  46. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 1:54 am

    Mercury — Thimersol & Neurodevelopment Outcomes

    Affidavit Of Boyd E. Haley. Professor And Chair. Department Of Chemistry. University Of Kentucky
    Thimerosal Containing Vaccines and Neurodevelopment Outcomes
    Forward
    Thimerosal or merthiolate is a derivative of thiolsalicylate where ethyl mercury is attached though the sulfur. It is defined as a preservative or anti microbial in medical use. This anti microbial action is dependent on thimerosal breaking down releasing ethyl mercury that can penetrate cell membranes and bind to intracellular enzymes, inhibiting them, and causing cell death. Further, in certain biological environments the ethyl mercury can further break down releasing mercury cation (Hg2+). Hg2+ is also very reactive with enzymes and proteins inhibiting their biological functions and causing cell injury or death. Both ethyl mercury and Hg2+ are very neuro toxic compounds. However, ethyl mercury is more rapidly partitioned into the hydrophobic (fatty) tissues of the central nervous system and is a more potent neuro toxin than Hg2+ based on this “partitioning factor”. It is this partitioning factor that makes organic mercurials such as dimethyl mercury so neuro toxically lethal (this is the compound that caused the death of a Dartmouth University chemistry professor after she was exposed to a drop or two on her gloved hand). The concern with organic mercurials, such as thimerosal, is that such compounds can be perceived as “pro toxicants” just as certain pharmaceuticals can be classified as “pro drugs”. This means that the original compound, e.g. thimerosal, is less reactive giving the compound time to partition into certain areas of the body before it breaks down releasing the ethyl mercury and then further releasing Hg2+. However, while attaching ethyl mercury to thiolsalicylate makes the ethyl mercury less reactive it most likely allows increased partitioning into the central nervous system before the ethyl mercury is released and thereby, increases the neuro toxicity per unit ethyl mercury involved. Considerable caution must be taken when stating what is the “toxic level” of mercury and any mercury containing compound. Humans are not rats in a pristine cage where their environment can be controlled to ensure that other toxicities and infections are not occurring. The level of mercury that would cause toxicity in a healthy individual is much higher than what would be needed to cause a toxic effect in an individual that is ill or under oxidative stress. This is because additional stresses lower the amount of protective compounds that bind mercury and render it less harmful. If an individual is low on these protective compounds, then less mercury or thimerosal would be needed to cause a clinical effect. Below I will present my interpretation of our research and that from other laboratories that focus on the potential toxicity of injected thimerosal in the vaccine mixture.

    Biochemical Toxicity Studies
    In my laboratory we have recently done an evaluation of the potential in vitro toxicity of vaccines containing thimerosal as a “preservative” versus those vaccines not containing thimerosal. In these preliminary studies, vaccines with thimerosal added consistently demonstrated in vitro toxicity that was markedly greater than the non thimerosal or low thimerosal containing vaccines. We also compared the toxicity of the vaccine solutions with solutions of pure thimerosal and with solutions of mercury chloride. Mercury is a known neurotoxin and its mechanism of neurotoxicity has been studied in our laboratory for the past 10 years. To determine the relative toxicity we used two different biological testing systems: (i) brain homogenates and (ii) a mixture of four purified mammalian enzymes. In human brain homogenates we had earlier observed that mercuric ion rapidly inhibited tubulin viability at low micromolar levels. mimicking the situation in Alzheimer’s diseased brain, but was less toxic to actin (see Figures 1 & 2). Both tubulin and actin are polymerizing proteins that are actively involved in neurite growth cone activity. In contrast to mercuric ion, vaccines containing thimerosal inhibited both tubulin and actin viability (see Figure 3). This would indicate that thimerosal has the potential to be much more damaging to neurite development than equivalent levels of mercuric ion. It is my hypothesis that thimerosal releases ethyl mercury which most certainly interferes with neurite growth and neuronal development in infants through rapid inhibition of several thiol sensitive enzymes/proteins including actin, tubulin and creatine kinase. This supports the concept that thimerosal in biological solutions injected into the human body could cause a number of systemic problems identified as disease states.

    Cell Culture Work On Thimerosal
    The toxicity results obtained in our biochemical toxicity studies were not at all unexpected since thimerosal and other compounds containing a similar thiol organic mercury group are widely known to be especially potent neurotoxic agents. Our biochemical toxicity results are very consistent with the reported toxicity of thimerosal containing vaccines versus nonthimerosal containing vaccines as observed in cell culture studies (Kravchenko et al., Evaluation of the Toxic Action of Prophylatic and Therapeutic Preparations on Cell (cultures 111. The Detection of Toxic Properties in Medical Biological Preparations by the [Degree of Cell Damage in the L132 Continuous Cell Line. Zh. Microbiological Epidemiol. Immunobiol. (3):87 92, 1983). The results of this research demonstrated the toxicity of thimerosal (merthiolate) by showing cell damage of the 1 :10,000 concentration found in vaccines after dilution of this mixture to I part per 128. The conclusion was that thimerosal use for medical and biological preparation (i.e. vaccines) manufacturing is inadmissible, especially in pediatrics. Other studies on cytotoxicity of thimerosal compared it to another mercury containing preservative (phenylmercuric acetate) and thimerosal was 5 times more toxic with only a two minute exposure to the cells. The LD50 for thimerosal was 2.2 micrograms/ml for a 24 hour exposure to human conjunctival cells and the comment was made that “the longer the contact time of these preservatives, the severer the damage to the ocular tissue”.

    In collaboration with another professor in our department we have now included toxicity studies using human brain neurons in culture. Our initial studies have shown that thimerosal is quite toxic to these neurons in culture. Further, studies using vaccines with and without thimerosal present demonstrated that the presence of thimerosal greatly enhanced the toxicity. The neuron toxicity studies mirror the results we observed in the enzyme toxicity studies mentioned above with the thimerosal being more toxic than inorganic mercury. Further studies are underway at the present time.

    Case Histories On The Toxicity Of Thimerosal And Other Ethyl Mercury Releasing Compounds
    A recent review covers much of the case history literature on the little that is known about ethyl mercury toxicity (L. Magos Review on the Toxicity of Ethyl mercury Including it.s Presence as a Preservative in Biological and Pharmaceutical Products, J. Applied Toxicology 21. 1 5, 2001). The conclusions reached by the author of this review is that “ethyl mercury may present a risk when blood mercury concentrations approaches or exceeds 1.0 microgram per ml and severe intoxication occurs when blood mercury concentration approaches or exceeds 2 micrograms per ml.” In the context of the literature reviewed the conclusions by Dr. Magos seems reasonable. However, this conclusion was based primarily on ethyl mercury and methylmercury exposures from occupational exposures, dietary intake, externally applied tinctures along with vaccination data on adults. It should be noted that in considering deceased patients the one infant had a blood mercury (from an externally applied tincture) that was measured at 1.34 micrograms per ml, a young boy had a blood mercury of 5 micrograms per ml (from eating pork from a pig feed ethyl mercury) and adults had 15 micrograms per ml (from eating bread made with seed treated with a compound that generated ethyl mercury). Without the needed extensive data to make a conclusion, it appears as if the younger the patient the more deadly or toxic the ethyl mercury is at a lower concentration. This is further supported by the other (Kostial, K., et al. Influence of Age on Metal Metabolism and Toxicity, Environmental Health Perspectives, v25, 81 86, 1978) who state “results obtained in sucklings show a very high intestinal absorption of all metals which is partly attributed to milk diet; a higher whole body retention, higher blood levels and a much higher accumulation in the brain”. Certainly, no conclusion of sate levels of exposure to ethyl mercury on infants could be made from the data reviewed by Dr. Magos.

    The exposures reviewed were from different delivery modalities and there is a considerable difference in the toxicity of many materials when oral intake is compared to injections via the vaccine route. Total mercury in the blood stream does not distinguish between bound mercury (e.g. that coupled with glutathione and being removed from the body) and unreacted mercury (that available to cause further damage). Ratios of bound and free ethyl mercury are likely to be different if ethyl mercury is eaten or inhaled versus injected, bypassing the protective systems available in the intestines. It was also pointed out in the review that the blood/urine ratios varied from 3.4 to 18 indicating that urine mercury levels are inferior for monitoring ethyl mercury exposures. However, since ethyl mercury should partition between blood and urine at a consistent ratio this data could also be interpreted to indicate that the mercury in some of these patients is coming from more than just ethyl mercury (e.g. dental amalgams that are the major source of human mercury body burden). In a report on mercury levels in squirrel monkeys treated intranasally with thimerosal (Blair, A., Clark, B., Clarke, A and Wood, P., Tissue Concentrations of f Mercury After Chronic Dosing of Squirrel Monkeys with Thimerosal Toxicology, v3, 171176, 1975) it was shown that exposure to 0.002% thimerosal daily for 6 months, with a total of 2,280 ,ug given, lead to a 174/29 or about 6.0 ratio of mercury in the brain/blood ratio indicating that thimerosal leads to a more rapid build up of brain versus blood mercury. However, it was pointed out that the highest brain total (250ng/g) was still below the 3 9 ug/g where neurological symptoms appear, but this later value would depend on the oxidative stress of the patient and could be much lower.

    The review states that “ethyl mercury in medicinal preparations declines with time” and gave examples of 38%, 64% and 85% decreases in ethyl mercury in plasma and immunoglobin G samples. This mercury did not disappear and the loss of ethyl mercury has to be due to ethyl mercury reacting covalently with the protein thiols in the medicinal preparations. In aged medicinal preparations, increased ethyl mercury reaction with protein thiols in the preparations would likely change the neurotoxity effects of the resulting mercury complexes compared to pure ethyl mercury How this pre reacted ethyl mercury would contribute to blood levels of mercury appears unknown, but it is likely to be quite different from pure ethyl mercury However, what is known is that ethyl mercury retains its severe toxicity after prolonged exposure in living animals. This is supported by a case mentioned in the Magos review where ethyl mercury obtained by “consumption of meat from a pig fed with ethyl mercury” caused severe damage to adults and killed two young boys. It seems as if ethyl mercury can retain its severe toxicity after a period of incubation time in a living pig, butchering and storage of meat, followed by cooking. Then the concept that the faster decomposition of ethyl mercury, relative to methylmercury, decreases its toxicity compared to methylmercury seems to be such a small difference as to be insignificant. What is solidly observed is that ethyl mercury (and other organic mercurials) can withstand considerable exposure to a living system, storage in a biological environment, exposure to high heat in the presence of muscle tissue, and still produce a lethal toxicity when taken orally.

    In a 1972 a (National Geographic Quicksilver and Slow Death, vl 42, #4, 507527, 1972) a similar report was presented where the pig was fed seed coated with Panogen, a methylmercury pesticide. The family ate the pig as above and the four children suffered severe neurological damage. But, in contrast to the ethyl mercury poisoning above, they all lived. One of the children was in utero during the consumption of the pork, suffered the most and was born blind and mentally retarded. Again, this supports the concept that the younger the human the more detrimental the toxic effect the organic mercury compounds will have.

    It appears certain that much of the blood level mercury in these patients presented in the Magos review could be from sources other than pure ethyl mercury In my opinion, I do not believe that a safe level of ethyl mercury can be arrived at by only comparing blood levels of mercury if we do not know the chemical nature of all of the contributing mercury sources, the initial source of the mercury or if the presence of other compounds were involved (e.g. antibiotics that bind heavy metals such as tetracycline and enhance thimerosal toxicity:see below in Synergistic Toxicity).

    It is of major concern that ethyl mercury from thimerosal in vaccines is a special situation. It is injected with millimolar levels of aluminum and it is probable that thimerosal, a negatively charged molecule, has formed a salt compound with the positively charged aluminum cation that would change its partitioning, breakdown rate, and may have a synergistic effect on the toxicity of any mercuric ion produced from the ethyl mercury Aluminum is a known neurotoxin and to be causally involved in macrophagic myofasciitis. The enhanced toxicity of ethyl mercury in the presence of other toxic agents is to be expected. Few of the clinical cases included in the Magos review were from vaccine but the one that was discussed problems which occurred in a 44 year old adult with a blood mercury of 0.104 ,ug per ml, so low that Dr. Magos called the diagnosis “unconvincing”. Perhaps co administration of thimerosal with aluminum in the Hepatitis B vaccine represents the “other aetiological factors than ethyl mercury” that might have been responsible for his mercury like induced symptoms at such low concentrations. The authors of the report on this patient state “this patient had evidence of previous environmental exposure to mercury” and this data can imply that thimerosal is more toxic in patients previously exposed to materials that sensitize them.

    Dr. Magos Report To The Iom, Summer 2001
    Dr. Magos makes several statements that reasonable individuals with scientific experience could disagree about. First, “The consequence of faster decomposition is that, compared with methylmercury. The neurotoxic potential of ethyl mercury declines faster.?’ This requires the assumption that ethyl mercury breaks down to Hg2+ as a toxic factor. What if the breakdown product was a conjugate of cysteine known to enhance the toxicity of mercuric ion? What if the breakdown was caused by reactive oxygen species generated in response to an infection? It is known that ethyl mercury breaks down 10 times faster in the presence of reactive oxygen species (Suda, 1, and Takahashi, [l., Degradation of methyl and ethyl mercury into inorganic mercury by other reactive oxygen species besides hydroxyl radical. Arch. Toxicol. 66, 34 39, 1992) making the production of toxic Hg2+ occur more rapidly at sites of high level of reactive oxygen, and in the body this would be at sites of infection or inflammation or within mitochondria, the important energy producing organelle. In my opinion, the enhanced chemical ability to breakdown ethyl mercury versus methyl mercury at sites of reactive oxygen production (usually sites of oxidative stress) makes ethyl mercury a much more dangerous compound than methylmercury as it attacks chemically at a site of infectious damage.

    In section 2.b.a Dr. Magos quotes his research as showing that methylmercury treated rats had 1.55 (males) and 2.4 (females) the mercury in their brains as did ethyl mercury treated rats. In addition, the ethyl mercury treated rats had 3.4 fold more inorganic mercury in their brains. He states that this “excludes the possibility that the cleavage itself or the formed inorganic mercury is responsible for the brain damage. If this were the case, the brain ethyl mercury treated rats would be more affected than the brain of methylmercury treated rats (which didn’t occur by his analysis).” The problem with this conclusion is that Dr. Magos expects the damage caused by methylmercury to be the same as that caused by a combination of ethyl mercury and 3.4 fold extra Hg2+. This is not likely as methyl and ethyl mercury would partition into the hydrophobic areas of the brain whereas Hg2+ would most likely react in the hydrophilic aspect of the brain. The inhibition of specific brain enzymes by thimerosal (ethyl mercury) compared to Hg2+ are markedly different.

    Synergistic Toxicity With Thimerosal
    Since about 1989 my laboratory has been actively involved in research regarding the toxic effects of elemental mercury and the relationship of this toxicity to neurological diseases, primarily Alzheimer’s disease. One fact that has become extremely obvious to me during this past 11 years is that it is impossible to determine the exact toxic level of mercury or mercury containing compounds that is safe for all humans. There are several reasons why mercury should not be considered safe for humans at the measurable levels currently reported as ‘ safe” by current government monitoring agencies. One of these is the obvious effects of other metals on increasing the toxicity of identical levels of mercury. An example is that of zinc ion, an essential metal for normal cell function. Yet, in the presence of mercuric ion, the addition of zinc enhances the toxicity level significantly (see Figure 4). Cadmium and lead are even more potent at enhancing the toxicity of mercuric ion. This concept of synergistic toxicity of mercury with other metals is supported by prior research that demonstrated that a mixture of mercury and lead at LD I levels of each metal produced a mixture with an LD 100 effect, at least 50 times the additive effect minimally expected (Schubert, J., Riley, E.J. and Tyler, S.A., Combined Effects in Toxicology-A Rapid Systematic Testing Procedure: Cadmium, Mercury and Lead. J. of Toxicology and Environmental Health, 4: 763 776, 19 8).

    The synergistic effects of different compounds with thimerosal are not all known but some do exist. For example, the commonly used antibiotic, tetracycline, is known to enhance thimerosal toxicity. Crook and Freeman, Reactions Ind’~ced by the Concurrent Use of Thimerosal and Tetracycline, American J. of Optometry & Physiological Optics v60,#9, pp759761 1983, reported that the use of tetracycline in humans induced and increased the irritation and inflammation of the ocular tissues caused by thimerosal. These results were confirmed in studies using rabbits. Therefore, it is obvious that concurrent treatment of infants with other drugs and/or antibiotics has the possibility to enhance the toxic effects of thimerosal exposures. Further, it was postulated that the synergistic effects of tetracycline was due to the metal binding properties of this antibiotic that may have delivered the toxic metal more effectively to the site(s) inducing enhanced toxicity. This data clearly demonstrates that there is no know level of safety for the use of thimerosal, especially in infants being treated with other medicinals that would enhance the toxicity of the ethyl mercury released such as occurred with tetracycline (a commonly used antibiotic).

    Since each human would likely have a level of toxicity from other mercury and non mercury containing sources it would be impossible to determine the exact level of mercury that would induce observable toxicity in each human. Many environmental toxicants could work synergistically with ethyl mercury rendering the ethyl mercury much more toxic than it would be in the absence of these other toxicants (e.g., elemental mercury from dental amalgams, cadmium from smoking, lead from paint and drinking water, aluminum, etc.). Humans are not rats in a pristine cage, eating rat chow carefully prepared to eliminate any toxicants. Humans smoke, drink alcohol, have numerous mercury emitting amalgam fillings, eat questionable food, and drink water known to contain other toxicants. Finally, it is impossible to state the toxic effect of any injection of thimerosal unless one knows the toxic exposure of the individual to other heavy metals or other environmental toxicants.

    The Effects Of Age And Health On Thimerosal Toxicity
    The detrimental effect of any specific level of mercury or mercury containing compound would have on any one individual’s metabolic system would be directly proportional to both the level of’ protective big compounds” (e.g., glutathione, metallothioine) that exist within that person on the time of exposure and, the ability to physiologically clear such toxicants from the body. The level of the protective compounds would certainly be directly dependent on two factors, age and health. Infants, with their immature physiology and metabolism would not be expected to handle mercury as efficiently as mature adults. The elderly have been shown to have decreased “protective” glutathione levels compared to middle aged and young adults. Melatonin, a hormone, is known to be decreased in the aged and melatonin is known to increase the neuron and cellular concentration of glutathione. Glutathione is the natural compound that binds mercuric ion and aids in its removal from the body. This explains partly why the aged are also more susceptible to oxidative toxicants such as mercury.

    The elderly also have weakened immune systems and are more susceptible to microbial infections are known to lower their chemical energy levels and, further, to reduce their ability to synthesize the proteins that protect them from heavy metals. Infants have their own weaknesses regarding toxic exposures. Infants do not make much bile in their early months of life and are less able to remove mercury through bilary transport the major route for mercury removal. They also do not have a fully developed renal system that would remove other heavy metals (e.g. aluminum! as effectively as adults. The age factor must always be considered for response to heavy metal exposure as well as spurious microbial infections.

    The Effects Of Genetic Susceptibility On Mercury Toxicity
    Genetically susceptibility is of critical importance. For example, other researchers have shown that genetic carriers of the brain protein APO E2 are protected against Alzheimer’s disease (AD) whereas genetic carriers of the APO E4 genotype are at enhanced risk factor for developing AD. APO E proteins are synthesized in the brain with the assigned physiological task of carrying waste material from the brain to the cerebrospinal fluid, across the blood brain barrier into the plasma where the material is cleared by the liver. The biochemical difference between APO E2 and APO E4 is that APO E2 has two additional thiol groups, capable of binding and removing mercury (and ethyl mercury) that APO E4 does not have. The second highest concentration of APO E proteins is in the cerebrospinal fluid. Therefore, it is my opinion that the protective effects of APO E2 is due to its ability to protect the brain from exposure to oxidants like mercury and ethyl mercury by binding these toxicants in the cerebrospinal fluid and keeping them from entering the brain. I strongly object to labeling those “genetically susceptible” as “having a genetic disease” because they are the first injured on exposure to modern toxicants. Humans did not evolve breathing mercury vapor or having organic mercury compounds injected in them as infants.

    Similarity To Acrodynia
    The argument that the thimerosal containing vaccines could not deliver the amount of mercury to cause a systemic illness is somewhat refuted by the history of the disease classified as acrodynia. Perhaps autism will end up like acrodynia, where the removal of the causative material (i.e. the mercury containing teething powders) lead to cessation of the disease and the identification of the cause. Due to the perceived low levels of mercury in the teething powders and the wide spread use of mercury in medicine at that time it was 10 years after the removal of the mercury containing teething powders before medicine acknowledged that mercury exposure was the causal factor. It is significant to notice that many of the symptoms of acrodynia are similar to the clinical symptoms of children identified today as autistic, with attention deficit disorder, etc. that have no family history of such diseases or illness classifications.

    Summary
    It is the inability to see the effects of chronic, low level toxicities on human health that has been, and remains, our greatest failing as intelligent beings. For example, within the past year two publications in refereed scientific journals have emerged from major foreign research universities demonstrating that mercury can induce the formation of three major pathological diagnostic hallmarks of Alzheimer’s disease. The production of these diagnostic hallmarks occurred at non lethal concentrations near or below the levels of mercury reportedly found in most human brains. First, mercury has been shown to induce an increase in amyloid protein secretion (the component of amyloid plaques) and to increase the phosphorylation of a protein called Tau {see Oliveri et al., J. of Neurochemistry, V 74, p231, 2000}, and to produce neurofibillary tangles {Leon” et al., NeuroReports V12(4), 733, 2001 }. All of this was done with neurons in culture and represent observations found and considered diagnostic of Alzheimer’s disease. Further, in a very recent article by Dr. Ashley Bush in the journal Neuron it is implied that Alzheimer’s disease may be caused by heavy metal buildup. This article focused on removal of zinc and copper by chelation decreasing amyloid plaque formation in rats mercury was not studied. However, these metals, along with silver, are the components of dental amalgams. This work is in agreement with data published earlier from my laboratory in refereed articles and summarized in one single article {Pendergrass and Haley, Metal Ions in Biological Systems V34, Chspter 16, Mercury and Its Effects on Environment and Biology, Siegel and Sigel EDS., Marcel Dekker, Inc. I 996}. This data basically demonstrated that addition of very low amounts of mercury to normal human brain homogenates inhibited critical thiol sensitive enzymes (creatine kinase, glutamine synthetase and tubulin) that are also dramatically inhibited in Alzheimer’s diseased brain. Research in our laboratory clearly demonstrates that thimerosal rapidly inhibits these enzymes as well as several other metabolically important enzymes.

    Further, data presented in Aschner et al. in Methylmercury Alters Glutamate Transport in Astrocvtes Neurochemistry International, v37, #2 3, pp 199 206, 2000 indicate that organic mercury compounds dysregulate excitatory amino acid homeostasis and may cause glutamate mediated excitotoxic mechanisms to be involved on exposures that cause neuron death or injury. Glutamate toxicity is one hypothesis proposed to explain the slow deterioration of AD as it was reported that the enzyme, glutamine synthetase, that removes toxic glutamate was elevated in AD cerebral spinal fluid (D. Gunnersen and B. Haley, PNAS, USA, v89, 11949, 1992) and inhibited in AD brain (Butterfield et al., J. Neurochemistry, v68, 2451, 1997). Glutamine synthetase is rapidly inhibited by the divalent mercuric ion as it has two divalent metal ion (manganese) binding sites required for activity. It is obvious that ethyl mercury from thimerosal would have the same effect on glutamine synthetase as mercury and methyl mercury and impair nervous system glutamate metabolism. Consistent with this concept is the reported ability of astrocytes (the brain cells that contain glutamine synthetase that converts toxic glutamate to non toxic glutamine) to preferentially concentrate brain organic mercury (Ashner, Astrocytes as Modulators of Mercury lnduced Neurotoxicity Neurotoxicology vl 7, #3 4, pp663 669 1996). The straight forward conclusion is that any exposure to mercury or mercury containing compounds (e.g. thimerosal) would exacerbate any medical condition affected by the inability to metabolize glutamate.

    The chemical rationale for the neurotoxicity of thimerosal is that this compound would release ethyl mercury as one of its breakdown products. Ethyl mercury is a well known neurotoxin. Further, combining thimerosal with the millimolar levels of aluminum cation plus significant levels of formaldehyde, also found in these vaccines, would make the vaccine mixture of even greater risk as a neurotoxic solution. The synergistic effects of mercury toxicity with other heavy metal toxicities (Pb, Cd, Zn) has been established in the literature for many years. Further, using this vaccine mixture on infants who are ill and do not have fully developed bilary (liver) and renal (kidney) systems could greatly increase the toxic effects compared to that observed in healthy adults.

    The toxic effects of exposure to thimerosal to adults and infants and always been reported to have dire consequences, including death. Similar exposures, even at lower level, in infants should have more severe consequences compared to those observed in adults made toxic by exposure to similar ethyl mercury containing compounds. Mercury is primarily removed through the bilary system and aluminum is removed by the renal system. Inability to rid the body of these toxicants would greatly increase the damage they are capable of doing.

    While one can understand the necessity of using an anti microbial “preservative” in vaccines to prevent contamination it represents poor judgment to use a “preservative” that breaks down into a well known neurotoxin when safer “preservatives” were available. Further, it has come to my attention through several parents that a significant number of physicians encourage mothers to have their infants receive multiple vaccinations during one visit. In one report a 13 pound baby was given 4 vaccinations. This would result in the equivalent of a 130 pound adult receiving 40 vaccinations in one day. This is quite unreasonable in my opinion, but appears to happen with a great deal of regularity in practice. Physicians do this as they are not warned of the possible consequences and are regularly informed by vaccine providers that the vaccines are totally safe. No steps were taken to recommend against this procedure.

    It is very difficult to prove that mercury or organic mercury compounds cause any specific disease that is identified by its related symptoms. This is due to the fact that mercury toxicity from various types of mercury containing materials may be considerably different and the genetic susceptibility and age of the victim would alter the response. This difficulty is further compounded due to the high numbers of confounding factors presented in the current human environment. However, since infants get autism and related disorders, and many of our aged are afflicted with AD, we know that they have crossed the thin red line into the neurologically diseased state. There can be no doubt that the purposeful use of mercury in medicine and dentistry, especially if it was prolonged and excessive, would significantly contribute to the onset of their disease. In my opinion, this is especially true in the case of the injection of thimerosal via vaccines in day old infants and toddlers.

    FIGURE 1: COMPARISON OF THE VIABILITY OF BRAIN TUBULIN IN CONTROL (NON DEMENTED) VERSUS AI ZI IEIMER’S DISEASED BRAIN.

    FIGURE 2: A COMPARISON OF THE EFFECTS OF MERCURIC ION ADDITION ON CONTROL (NON DEMENTED) AND ALZHEIMER’S DISEASED BRAIN.

    FIGURE 3: A COMPARISON OF THE EFFECTS OF THIMEROSAL ADDITION ON CONTROL (NON DEMENTED) AND Al ZHEIMER’S DISEASED BRAIN.

    Please refer to Dr. Haley’s website for more mercury/thimerosal/vaccine information

    href=”http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/thimerosal.htm” target=”_blank”>http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/thimerosal.htm

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  47. Renee Piab
    June 15, 2012 at 1:59 am

    Well said, Lara and Kelly – I’m impressed! However, just remember the old saying: “There are none so blind as those that WILL not see.”

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  48. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 2:00 am

    Well, you can choke on this for a while…you’ve fried your brain with what you call rainbows and unicorns, your very easy to handle, especially when your tactics are so obvious. You are dead wrong at everything you have said. One day, you too will give an account for the dangerous lies and deception. Good luck with that! Don’t bother picking apart what I’ve sent, it seems as though you really are not that ambitious to really pull your sleeves up and take an honest look.

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  49. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 2:01 am

    Aen, and you are proof that is so true! Open your eyes!!!

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  50. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 2:04 am

    Jiri:

    I’m raising him to be a Godly husband of one wife.

    By the hammer of Thor, which god?

    Anyway, good luck with that.

    My younger twenty-one year old son has been raised to be respectful of women. Since high school girls have flocked to him because he is a gentleman (and a tall blond cutie pie who works as a lifeguard). But because he is a clueless nerd who makes sure to play board/card (Magic) games with his friends at least once a week they break up with him. But since they think he is a really sweet wonderful guy, his ex-girlfriends actually set him up with other women who they think are nerdy enough for him.

    I know he has had multiple sexual partners, but it is not by his choice. He does let them take his heart. Except after he spends a bit too much time playing Magic or painting a Dungeons and Dragons lead figurines they hand his heart back to him. Then join the group seeking to find a perfect mate for him.

    They all love him, except “not in that way.”

    But of course, your son obeys you without question. You would never have a twenty-something child who did anything against your beliefs. What was I thinking?

    Later you say:

    So follow the money! Endorsed by the UN , ths is one bio that says it all….good life to you sheep!

    That looks like a variation of the boring old tired Pharma Shill Gambit. Next time, try something more original. Like the actual verifiable scientific evidence you have gathered over almost two decades.

    UN whore, in bed with the government! No respect r credibility to you and yours</

    Okay, this makes no sense. Are you trying to make us ignore you on purpose by exhibiting blatant bias and illiteracy? In the future if you wish to be taken seriously you would use proper English grammar and spelling, plus make sure there is a verifiable scientific citation for your claims. They do not need to be from the USA, but they must be from reputable peer reviewed sources. Thank you.

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  51. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 2:04 am

    So, aside from our differences, here are just a very small few of credible research and science professionals who have compiled facts contrary to yours, what is your reply?

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  52. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 2:08 am

    You continue to condescend, can you do what your doing without doing that? As far as your son, well, he and his character are a true reflection of his upbringing. That’s your business

    I’ve given you a small sample of what you requested, so,what do you say to that information that’s clearly cited and researched?

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  53. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 2:11 am

    Rense.com

    Death By Lethal Vaccine Infection
    By Christine Colebeck
    9-17-4
     
    Today is my daughter’s sweet 16th birthday but we will not be celebrating. Instead I will light a candle and when I blow it out I will make a wish in my daughter’s memory. My wish is for all mother’s worldwide, that you will educate yourselves and that you make informed choices so that you may prevent unnecessary tragedy and be spared from my pain.
     
    Laura’s Story
     
    After 41 weeks of pregnancy, on July 27th, 1986, a perfect and healthy little baby, Laura Marie, made her entrance into the world. We were welcomed home by family and friends anxiously waiting to meet the new family member. They showered her with so many beautiful, little tiny, pink dresses, we joked that she would never be able to wear them all in one lifetime.
     
    Our lives changed completely and now revolved around stroller walks in the park, visiting friends, changing diapers, night feedings and shopping for more little pink dresses. We were parents now, we had a family and life was absolutely perfect.
     
    I took Laura for several baby check-ups at the pediatrician. She was a kind and gentle older woman. At 3 months old, the pediatrician was very pleased with Laura’s development and weight gain and vaccinated her with DPT OPV. I didn’t even question her, I knew that all my friend’s babies had this same vaccine and “all good mothers” vaccinated their children to protect them. I left the pediatrician’s office and walked home.
     
    Laura was very fussy, which was unusual. She was crying loudly all the way home in the stroller. When we got home, I realized she had urinated so heavily she wet everything in the stroller. Then her cry turned into screaming and she developed a fever, her leg was very swollen and red, and felt hot. I called the pediatrician who told me this was “normal” and to give her Tempra. I gave her baby Tempra and I felt better, the pediatrician had assured me this was normal.
     
    Laura continued to scream and I could no longer console her. My every instinct told me this was not normal but I was young with my first child and trusted the doctor. I could not hold Laura in my arms because she screamed louder as any movement of her leg seemed to cause her terrible pain. I put her in the swing and she cried herself to sleep. I was so relieved, the Tempra was working and the doctor must have been right. I began to feel silly for all my worrying. A short time later, Laura woke up screaming and spent the evening screaming and sleeping on and off.
     
    She had no appetite and nothing made her stop crying. Finally it was bedtime and she cried in her crib, until she fell asleep. She had never cried herself to sleep before and I felt very bad for letting her but if I held her, she screamed louder. My husband came home from work and I told him about everything that had happened that day. Laura was sleeping soundly in her crib and we were both relieved that she seemed to be feeling better and decided not to worry… I should have worried.
     
    In the morning I awoke and was startled to realize my husband had slept in for work. I immediately knew something was wrong and the worry from the previous night came rushing back to me. I quickly ran to her crib, with a feeling of dread. She did not look right. I closed my eyes tight and opened them again, and considered the possibility that this was a dream, but when I opened my eyes she looked dead.
     
    I went into shock and after that, much of this day remains a blur. I touched her and she was very warm. I screamed for my husband to call 911.
     
    I watched as he performed CPR, my body was frozen and I couldn’t move. He tried to revive our child to no avail. He was shouting for me to open the door for the paramedics, I was temporarily jolted back to reality and I went and opened the door. I could now move but couldn’t speak. I just stood there numbly shaking my head, feeling completely helpless as dozens of paramedics, police and firemen rushed past me into our home. I didn’t cry, and I wanted to scream at them to leave her alone but I couldn’t speak. She was on the floor and they were shocking her tiny body, in the little bedroom with the yellow painted walls and clown wallpaper. I stood there praying in my head that they would just leave her alone, that they would get out of her bedroom and that I would wake up from this horrible dream.
     
    Then I heard someone saying there was a faint pulse and I suddenly felt hopeful. She was rushed from the house in an ambulance. It was then that the homicide detectives led us into another room and the interrogation began.
     
    They decided that my husband and I needed to be questioned in separate rooms. I immediately realized they suspected that we had done this to our child. We all know that perfect children do not suddenly die for no reason. I was silent, I had already decided in my own mind that this was somehow all my fault and although I wasn’t quite sure what I had done to kill her, I was convinced that I had somehow caused this to happen. Perhaps, I was being punished by god for a sin or perhaps it happened because I had let her cry herself to sleep that night. The fact remained that my child was dead and “good mothers” do not have dead children.
     
    My husband began to protest loudly about the line of questioning and he demanded we be taken immediately to the hospital, to see our child. The detectives finally took us to the hospital and put us in the “bad news room.” The doctor came and insisted we sit down before he spoke to us. He began telling us that they had tried this and that and then finally he said the words that would echo in my ears for a lifetime:
     
    “She is dead.”
     
    The pediatrician whom I so respected and adored broke down and cried when I gave her the news on the phone. She went back and forth defending the vaccine that she was told was safe, and blaming it for killing my child and those who told her it was safe.
     
    She then told me that she also had another patient, an infant boy, die after this same vaccination.
     
    Then the detectives took us home for more questions, often repeating the same questions several times until they grew tired of asking them. The questions constantly centered around our involvement, then they searched the house and checked for signs of forced entry. My husband repeatedly told them that he thought the vaccine had killed our child and told them over and over about her unusual behavior since she was vaccinated.
     
    Everyone we knew arrived at our house. I made coffee and tidied the house, like it was any other day and we were having “guests”. Shock is a strange and wonderful thing and of course you don’t know you are in it.
     
    My parents finally insisted on taking me to their house for a few days, while my husband and his friends had the horrendous task of packing up the nursery because I couldn’t stand to look at it any longer. The room I had so lovingly made was now empty and a source of great pain.
     
    Several days later, after the funeral and the tiny white coffin that was so small my husband carried it alone, I finally came out of shock and allowed myself to cry a river. I cried for all the things I would never do with my daughter. All the ballet classes I would never take her to, the wedding I would never attend, the grandchildren I would never know and all the dreams I would never realize with her. I cried for all that was and all that would never be. There was an emptiness inside of me that threatened to swallow me up whole, as I fell into the depths of grief during the darkest days of my life.
     
    The detectives eventually became satisfied that we had not harmed our daughter in any way and the investigation into her death ended. We were then left without answers.
     
    The doctors did not want to talk about her death being related in any way to the vaccine and, one after the other, refused to answer our many questions. I was repeatedly told that vaccines were for “the greater good.” I was even told that loss of life through immunization was “expected” in the war against disease but these losses were considered to be at “acceptable” levels. However, this did not feel very acceptable or good to me as a mother with empty arms that ached for my child. The coroner finally told us months later that the cause of death was determined to be “SIDS” (sudden infant death syndrome), meaning “no known cause,” and refused to release a copy of the autopsy report to us.
     
    It took almost a year for us to obtain this report and to our great horror, we realized that the autopsy summery was copied directly from the vaccine product monograph under the heading “Contraindications” as follows:
     
    “Sudden infant death syndrome has been reported following administration of vaccines containing Diphtheria, tetanus toxoids, and pertussis vaccine. However, the significance of these reports is not clear. One common factor is the age where primary immunization was done between the age of 2 to 6 months, a period where most sudden infant death syndromes are found to 1occur with a peak incidence being at 2 to 4 months.”
     
    There was no toxicology testing performed and the pediatrician never filed an adverse vaccine reaction report with health authorities. I later learned that most vaccine-induced deaths in this country are listed as SIDS and SIDS statistics are NOT included in vaccine adverse reaction data, even if a child dies only a few hours after receiving inoculation. This data is presented to physicians and the public to reassure them that vaccines are safe.
     
    The government’s own literature advises that there has been little or no testing in the area of vaccine safety or efficacy. Essentially, our children are the test. According to their literature, immunization is “the most cost effective” way to prevent disease. Nowhere in their literature does it claim to be the safest. We are trading our children’s lives to save the government money. We are told that the benefits outweigh the risks but many of the diseases that we vaccinate for are not even life threatening; however, the vaccine itself has the potential to kill.
     
    Vaccines kill at a much higher rate than we are led to believe. We play vaccine roulette with our children’s lives and we never know which child will fall victim next.
     
    If the odds are 1 in 500 thousand for death, 1 in 100 thousand for permanent brain injury, 1 in 1700 for seizures and convulsions or one in 100 for adverse reaction, are you willing to take that chance? Are any odds acceptable enough to convince you to gamble with your child’s life?
     
    I can assure you that death from vaccination is neither quick nor painless. I helplessly watched my daughter suffer an excruciatingly slow death as she screamed and arched her back in pain, while the vaccine did as it was intended to do and assaulted her immature immune system. The poisons used as preservatives seeped through her tiny body, overwhelming her vital organs one by one until they collapsed. It is an image that will haunt me forever and I hope no other parent ever has to witness it.
     
    A death sentence considered too inhumane for this county’s most violent criminals was handed down to my beautiful, innocent, infant daughter, death by lethal injection.
     
    Today, on my daughter’s birthday, I will grieve not only for the loss of my own child but for all the innocent children for which the benefits of vaccines do not outweigh the risks and are unnecessarily sentenced to death by lethal injection, under the guise of “the greater good.” The true war is not against disease; we have somehow become our own worst enemy by putting our faith in science instead of nature. Today, I call on all mothers across the world to join me in putting an end to this senseless slaughter of our most precious resource, our children.

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  54. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 2:21 am

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    What They Don’t Tell You About Vaccination Dangers Can Kill You or Ruin Your Life
    By Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.

    What Causes the Free Radicals
    How Vaccines are Made
    What Happens to the Brain With Vaccination?
    What Happens When the Brain’s Immune System is Activated?
    Direct Effect of the Cytokines
    The Role of Autoimmunity and Viral Persistence
    Conclusions

    After 30 years of intensive research, much has been learned about how brain cells work and what goes wrong when disease arises. One of the great enigmas has been the connection between vaccinations and certain brain disorders such as:

    Autism
    ADD
    ADHD
    Gulf War Syndrome
    More common neurodegenerative diseases (Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer’s dementia and ALS)

    As we learned more and more about how brain cells should work, we discovered that often normal processes, such as metabolism, could result in the accumulation of powerful chemical byproducts, called free radicals, that have the capacity to destroy these cells.

    Free radicals, basically, are very reactive particles that bounce all around the cell damaging everything they touch. Most originate during the process of metabolism but can also arise from toxin exposure, irradiation and toxic metals. Because they are so destructive, cells have a network of defenses designed to neutralize them. This antioxidant network is composed of numerous components that include vitamins, minerals and special chemicals called thiols (glutathione and alpha-lipoic acid).

    What Causes the Free Radicals

    The idea that free radicals play a major role in all of the conditions listed above is now proven–the big question is why are so many free radicals being generated? In the case of autism, ADD and ADHD many came to support the idea that mercury derived from vaccines was the source of the radicals. And it was known that mercury could cause free radicals to be generated in large numbers within the brain. Evidence connecting mercury to the autism spectrum disorders, neurodegeneration and the Gulf War Syndrome is strong, but not exclusive.

    Interestingly, all of these diseases also share another common event–over activation of a portion of the immune system.

    It is important to appreciate that only a certain part of the immune system is overactive, because other parts, such as cellular immunity, are actually diminished. In some instances, as with the childhood disorders, the problem is congenital and in others it develops as a result of many factors such as aging, toxin exposure, poor nutrition and excessive vaccination itself. Mercury can impair immune function as well.

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  55. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 2:22 am

    Kelly :
    I go where the evidence takes me. If you have evidence that shows that vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases, then by all means, I’d stop vaccinating in a heart beat.

    Lay it on us.

    Well, there’s some evidence for you…it’s more than you can pick through in a week!

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  56. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 2:24 am

    You have only proven you an cut and paste without actually understanding the content.

    For one thing the articles from India have no bearing on the medical practices in the USA (hint: they are on opposite sides of this planet, and what is really freaky is that they have half hour time zones). You also neglected to list the title, journal and date of those papers, especially the spiel from Boyd Haley (who used to make a killing by convincing anyone with dental fillings they needed to buy his tests and cures). And the last time I looked Ms. Jenny McCarthy has never published anything on PubMed.

    Are you a Poe?

    This question is because you have posted so much nonsense that it seems you are actually trying to undermine the anti-vaccine people by being so ignorant.

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  57. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 2:26 am

    And where is that promised evidence? You claim it exists, but fail to post it. Why?

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  58. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 2:27 am

    Um, where? I don’t see any list. How can we reply to nothing?

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  59. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 2:28 am

    The plural of anecdote is not data. Please confine your data to title, journal and dates of PubMed indexed papers. Thank you.

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  60. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 2:33 am

    [Editor’s Note: This comment has been removed due to vulgar and abusive language, as well as personal attacks made on another.]

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  61. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 2:37 am

    I’ve posted many threads, I just didn’t post them to you specifically, scroll, do you understand that…or are you to far gone? Lies and deception…Id take you on publicly with a crowd to back me on the true statistics, with people a lot more informed than yourself. In fact, I do it and with success, many people along y path don’t vax because I taught them the truth. I bet that just pisses you off. You and your fellow vaxxers are becoming minority, you will see

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  62. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 2:41 am

    Oh, wow! One of Boyd Haley’s old “dental fillings will kill you” claims!

    Thanks! I have had to use archive.org to find his nefarious history in the “mercury fillings will kill you” bit that he dabbled in trying to make money off of parents of disabled kids.

    I will now use this bit of cut and paste to show his only interest in “mercury poisoning” was all about raking in the cash from the bogus tests and cures. Especially with a “cure” that meant sprinkling an industrial chemical (OSR) on kids’ food in an attempt to cure them from “heavy metal poisoning” from an element that has not been in pediatric vaccines in more than a decade.

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  63. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 2:46 am

    I have gone through this thread many times. You have not posted any real scientific evidence. What you have done are many cut and paste bits from unreliable websites.

    And for one, thank you very much. It is one that illustrates a quack’s prior history with dental fillings before embarking on a more lucrative business model of getting desperate parents to feed their kids an industrial chelator.

    Are you sure you are not a Poe?

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  64. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 2:50 am

    Wow! I’m sorry, it seem you had babies while still in middle school.

    Here is a hint: there are internet browsers with automatic spell-check. I am presently using Firefox. You might want to work on your literacy.

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  65. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 2:58 am

    [Editor’s Note: This comment has been removed due to personal attacks made on another.]

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  66. Lara Lohne
    June 15, 2012 at 3:00 am

    A few voices yelling in an echo chamber can sound like a lot more then they really are. If pro-vaccine advocates are the minority, why is there still a higher percentage of vaccinated, versus unvaccinated people? Your belief system cannot stand against scientific scrutiny so you throw straw men into the picture to try and distract from the real issue at hand.

    You are not, and have not been since your first post, talking reasonably. You have attacked people, insulted people (I only recall one person calling someone else a whore, among other things) and spouted too much nonsense for anyone to even garner anything from it but noise. Dates, titles, authors of the studies, so that we may read the information thoroughly ourselves because it has been seen here, multiple times in the past, that someone from your camp will post a study they believe proved their point, only to find the conclusion the poster drew from the study wasn’t even anywhere near the conclusion the study authors drew. Even a link to the article you wish to present as evidence. Pasting the entire article, without referencing where it came from, the dates it was conducted, who conducted it; worthless nonsense.

    It’s very brave of you you ‘take on an individual’ with a crowd to back you up. Regardless of how many bullies you may have to stand behind you and throw your marshmallows, the fact remains that science doesn’t stand behind you. And that, my dear, makes all the difference.

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  67. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 3:07 am

    The data you source is funded by the the same people who push it.
    It’s that simple.
    Now again, illask you to show me a real study done on autism in unvaccinated children.
    My points were very relevant because they all show deception on your camp, not mine. My camp as you call it are comprised of arents, vaccine damaged, dead, healthcare professionals, scientists, drs, how is that not credible. My camp doesn’t tell you YOU CAN’T Vaccinate, your camp s trying to take away my right to not. I assure you, there will be a very real hell to pay for those who make a anti vaxxer do that which is unconscionable and try to make us defy our principles. Againg, it goes back to, live and let live.

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  68. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 3:14 am

    Dishonest little you…I posted many many well researched articles from nothing but credible cited sources, you haven’t had no time to check even one of them out thoroughly.

    I am terribly sorry. I must have missed them because of the extra verbiage that was included in the cut and pastes. Please try again in a cleaner format. Here are some examples that include title, journal and date of PubMed indexed papers:

    Vaccine. 2012 Jan 5;30(2):247-53. Epub 2011 Nov 12
    Lack of association between childhood immunizations and encephalitis in California, 1998-2008.

    Pediatrics Vol. 126 No. 2 August 1, 2010 (doi: 10.1542/peds.2009-1496)
    Lack of Association Between Acellular Pertussis Vaccine and Seizures in Early Childhood

    Pediatrics. 2010 Jun;125(6):1134-41. Epub 2010 May 24.
    On-time vaccine receipt in the first year does not adversely affect neuropsychological outcomes.

    Thank you. Even with just a title and date I can find the original paper. I live very close to a medical school with a library that lets me access papers that are not free online. So it is okay to include papers that require a subscription.

    If you can just condense the papers you referenced in the reply to the title, journal and date so I can find them. Do not cut and paste any other verbiage. Thank you.

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  69. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 3:20 am

    Jiri, visualize the concept known as spell check. It is standard with some internet browsers.

    And I can’t afford an iPad, so your excuse is lost on me. Along with your nonsense insults.

    Be more literate and provide more evidence if you wish to be taken seriously.

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  70. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 3:24 am

    I won’t bother, you are lazy. Whether or not you like the way I gave you info, you didn’t even look at it. I have access to a medical library as well, I’m just going to continue educating people about the facts. At the end of the day, squalene is never good for the body some vaccines have as many as 40 different viruses and some contain cancer virus. Those are facts, anyone can verify that. Itsnoutnof control at what is happening in this national argument. Freedom to choose is essential. My children thank me for never injecting them with highly toxic scum, my husband has always agreed and supported this view we live with. Him as a marine, has actually been successful at sidestepping a few things in his career and without going into detail, he is grateful for this knowledge, his fellow marines have suffered for the lack of knowledge and has suffered tremendously in their health, which has robbed their wife and children with a quality of life. You are entitled your opinions, but your ignorance, lies and deceit is dispicable

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  71. Lara Lohne
    June 15, 2012 at 3:27 am

    There have been dozens of studies showing no link between vaccines and autism, and not only the MMR vaccine either. Not all these studies were done in the US, nor were they ‘funded by the same people who push it’ as you suggest. There have been links to those studies posted here many, many times in past blogs.

    I personally know several unvaccinated children who developed autism, my son is one of them. Now how does your ‘credible’ sources account for them? Well, according to AoA, I’m a liar, my son must not really have autism, or my favorite, his autism doesn’t count because he wasn’t ‘vaccine damaged’. *Being sarcasm* They were so very warm and welcoming to me, a mother with an autistic son, when they found that I didn’t believe that vaccines caused it, which was not possible because he wasn’t vaccinated until well after his symptoms began to manifest *end sarcasm*. I was banned from posting on their site, and ya know, after the nastiness and threats of physical violence and death I received at their hands, good riddance. I went there looking for support (not knowing it was a rally point for the anti-vaccine army) and all I got was insults, threats and ultimately banned. Nice.

    You shed the same nastiness they foisted on me, the fact that you are typing too quickly to pick up basic spelling and grammar errors is a give away actually. If you weren’t completely over the top buggering mad about the fact that we don’t believe you and your sources cannot be trusted, you wouldn’t need to resort to insults, threats, dooms day warnings and every other scare tactic you have used. It isn’t impressive, just so you know, we have seen it often before and it makes you appear quite deranged. I am not saying that to be mean, I’m being frank with you. If you want to have a reasonable conversation, you have to remove the anger and hatred which is blatantly obvious in every word you type, or mistype as the case may be..

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  72. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 3:27 am

    Cant afford an iPad… Pitiful! Well, I’m not trying to impress you spell check would require a concern on my part at what you thought of me…I DON’T!

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  73. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 3:30 am

    Jiri:

    Now again, illask you to show me a real study done on autism in unvaccinated children.

    I did with Vaccination Status and Health in Children and Adolescents. I posted it only a few minutes ago, you must not have read it yet.

    If you have an issue with how it was done, then do it yourself. Design a study, get it approved by an Independent Review Board, and then write a grant to get funding form places like SafeMinds, Generation Rescue, Autism Trust and others. Do the study, and then write it up and get it peer reviewed and published in a well regarded journal.

    Not Medical Hypotheses, Medical Veritas, JPandS or any other low end alternative journal. Do a good study and write a good paper. I trust you will be able to do that.

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  74. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 3:31 am

    Your unvaxxed child developed autism… I don’t even believe you, you’ve already shown deception to make your argument the only one that exists, not to mention here you are pushing vaccines and you had an UNVAXXED child…blah blah blah…sure, I’ll sell you my ocean front condo in Wyoming! I’m sure your next response will be he developed autism before the vaccine schedule…bologna!!!

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  75. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 3:40 am

    Jiri:

    I’m sure your next response will be he developed autism before the vaccine schedule…bologna!!!

    Thank you for beatifically explainin why the plural of anecdote is not data. This is something that Ms. Lohne knows quite well.

    Now we can assume that your future posts will all include well documented scientific evidence for each and every one of your claims. It really does not matter which country it comes from, as long it is good science and has been reviewed.

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  76. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 3:41 am

    “explainin” is supposed to be “explaining.” I am blaming the late hour.

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  77. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 3:43 am

    My purpose in life isn’t going to be writing a paper that few will read or take seriously, I’ve done my research, I am completely at peace with my decision to never vaccinate. I am simply saying, no one has a pompous right to insist I vax or vax my kid before they are willing to allow us to come around, that is so completely contrary to the assurance you should be getting from your choice to vax! Leave us out of it, I would honestly tell whoever to kiss my ass at such an audacious insistent as to do that. It is arrogant, narcissis, and audacious. Period!!! Someone said earlier that infants are to little to vaccinate, well they do it anyway…they doit for everything now, 10 years ago, it was recommended that pregnant women not be vaxxed, now they are vaxxed… The autism rate has jumped thousands of percent over the past 25 years and interestingly enough, the vax schedule increased to near 70 vaccines and now they are calling for boosters. Enough is enough…disease is king in America and mortality rates are incredulous. We as a nation rank 34 for infant mortality rate…why in this country who used to at one it e be so great and so far advanced compared to the world. When was the last time a real CURE came about, it is more profitable to treat disease than cure it, why are vitamins being regulated, why are foods being genetically modified….through diet alone, a strong immune system is easy. Junk food, processed foods and artifial ingredients are interfering with health, vaccines are a double whammy on the immune system, drs are now saying a “normal” side effect of certain vaccines are convulsions! That is criminal and lies! Im sorry I can’t make you understand, but you as well as I are wasting our time. Never gong to budge!!! I will only solidify and build my resolve further. And the difference between now and 18 years ago, there is proof to what I am saying and many are saying and now no one will successfully fear mongering me…no fear to not vax! Education have removed all fear! It is you who should fear your health future

    I’m sure there are a million typos, I’m okay with that! Save your insults

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  78. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 3:44 am

    Except I use a browser with spell check, and I actually understand the literature. What is your excuse?

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  79. Lara Lohne
    June 15, 2012 at 3:44 am

    The blatant symptoms of autism began to manifest when he was about 14 to 18 months old, but he had been a challenging baby from birth, much more so then any of my others before him. He was unvaccinated due to financial constraints or lack of available health coverage for him. I was working but didn’t earn enough to pay for his coverage through the health plan at work, but I earned too much for him to qualify for state medicaid until they started the uninsured children plan when he was about 2 and a half, which is when we were pretty certain he had autism and we got him in Early Intervention and began getting his vaccines current so he could attend ECSE preschool once he turned 3. I’ve said all this many times before. But I will keep saying it because it is truth: my son has autism, but he was not vaccinated prior to onset of symptoms (which again some were present from birth), therefore he didn’t get it from vaccines.

    Of course you wouldn’t believe me, it’s much more convenient for you not to. Out of curiosity, what have I lied about? And since you know me so well and we are obviously so close, how do you even know that I’m lying? Just because I make a statement that is contrary to yours? That doesn’t make me a liar unless you can show where the lack of truth is. What you claim is incorrect, it has been proven so time and time and time again.

    Do you know what the symptoms of autism are? If you don’t, and if you haven’t dealt with an autistic individual, and if you don’t have any professional experience with autistic evaluation, regression, progression, etc. you cannot add anything to the discussion of autism therefore it’s best you stay out of it.

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  80. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 3:46 am

    (what I am saying is that your posts make you look unintelligent, you may want to change that perception, though it looks like you really don’t care that you are considered a cretin)

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  81. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 3:47 am

    Define autism in your own words

    Just humor me for a minute

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  82. Lara Lohne
    June 15, 2012 at 3:51 am

    A parent has the right not to vaccinate as well as to withhold that protection from their own children if they wish. Another parent also has the right to not allow any unvaccinated individuals near their newborn until that newborn has received its own vaccinations as well. It’s a two sided argument. You can tell someone to ‘kiss your ass’ all you wish, but my guess is they will find you, arrogant, narcissistic and audacious that you refused to be a part of their lives because your political views are more important to you then the health and safety and potentially the life, of their new child. This isn’t a holy war, please stop trying to turn it into one.

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  83. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 3:54 am

    Nor is this a political argument so stop trying to turn it into one! This isn’t end of the world either, you are speaking in an attacking nature and then when you get a response to your comment, your going around in circles trying to be better than thou. I don’t know how I ended up here for this long, but I assure you it won’t happen again.

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  84. Lara Lohne
    June 15, 2012 at 3:58 am

    Oh, and for the record, there has been a count of adults newly diagnosed with ASDs (who previously had only been believed to have moderate to severe learning disabilities) using the current DSM IV for autism spectrum disorders and the numbers currently are 1 in 100 adults with an ASD, both diagnosed when they were children (25 – 30 years ago and longer) or newly diagnosed within the past decade. Hmm, using the new criteria for identification of ASD characteristics in adults, the difference between adults with ASD and children with ASD (currently standing at 1 in 88) is not that far off. It hasn’t just started becoming more common, we have become more aware of it, diagnostic criteria is better and we are beginning to find ways to identify it earlier. That is advancement in science, not a growing concern, not an epidemic, but a condition that has always been there and we are starting to become more aware of it.

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  85. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 4:01 am

    Jiri:

    I’ve done my research,

    Prove it.

    So far all you have done is shown you can type fast with lots of errors. But you have failed to produce real data other than lame cut and paste bits that you may not actually understand.

    Your task now is to prove one thing: that the Tdap vaccine is more dangerous than tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis. This is what is actually related to the original blog article: all the persons who will contact a newborn. And they are often over the age of twenty.

    Prove you have done your research by first understanding that this article is not about vaccinating children but about adult boosters. Do tell us the dangers of Tdap has on a thirty year old uncle.

    Go on! Bring on the PubMed indexed papers that show Tdap has turned thirty year old men autistic. Show us how the Tdap has caused uncontrollable seizures in forty year old women!

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  86. Lara Lohne
    June 15, 2012 at 4:14 am

    Symptoms of autistic disorder are as follows: difficulty with language, receptive and expressive; repetitive movements and behaviors, fixating on objects of parts of objects, difficulty understanding social interaction and play. Often times a child with autism will have sensory integration disorder, a co-morbid condition making them excessively sensitive to sights, sounds, textures, etc. and the autism language barrier can make it difficult for them to communicate what is troubling them, resulting in frustration and eventually an overload melt down (tantrum). Many people with autism has sleep disturbances. Some people with autism have self injurious behaviors or can be assaultive to their care givers. Many people with autism (not all, as my son does not) have intestinal and bowel issues (also co-morbid), possibly stemming from food sensitivities or allergies, and the pain associated with these issues can cause behavioral problems too. This is only for autistic disorder, it does not include the other disorders that fall on the spectrum and these are in my own words.

    Symptoms to look for in a toddler: toe walking, rocking, hand flapping, visual stimming (looking out the side of their eyes at things) or other physical stims, spinning self, humming, stomping, etc. Lack of eye contact is a big one to look for, as well as the appearance of being unable to hear when called. Lining items up, or not playing with toys in the manner they were meant to be played with (focusing on parts of toys, E.g. spinning wheels on toy cars rather then pushing cars around and pretending to drive). Lack of language typically is a symptom, but not always. Many toddlers with ASDs can speak well, their language would be odd, repeating things they have heard before, reciting lines from movies, or any other way of speaking that is atypical for a toddler of their age.

    If you would like, I can type out for you the actual diagnostic criteria from the DSM IV used to determine autistic disorder, or PDD-NOS, or Asperger’s Syndrome, Rhett’s Syndrome, anything else. Just let me know.

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  87. Lara Lohne
    June 15, 2012 at 4:21 am

    What have I said that was an attack? I was merely pointing out that you have your rights as well as others who don’t share your views. Political or otherwise it matters not. But this particular issue as you are spelling it out is political because you believe the government is behind a plot to kill us all. If that isn’t political, what would you call it? I believe you were the first person that mentioned government, therefore if anyone is trying to turn this into a political argument that would be you.

    By the way, pointing out a two sided argument is not an attack, it is leveling the playing field. You are not any more important then anyone else because you choose not to vaccinate. And it’s very possible that if you had close friends who had a new born and you refused to vaccinate your family for the safety of their child, they would consider you far less important then the life of their new baby.

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  88. Lawrence
    June 15, 2012 at 5:41 am

    Wow – you guys had a very strong stomach last night to deal with Jiri – I think I would have thrown up my hands when she called Christine a “wh*re.” For someone who claims to be goldly, she certainly threw around quite a number of insults…..

    As for everything else, you’ve deconstructed her rants better than I ever could.

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  89. Lara Lohne
    June 15, 2012 at 6:03 am

    Wow is about all that can be said about Jiri. She is lost, no doubt about that. My mom was very similar in her vehemence against vaccines, among other things. My mom died about 5 and a half years ago from complications of diabetes because she stopped following the advice of her doctors (insulin injections, eating healthy, regular light/low impact exercise) and started drinking something she ordered off the Internet called noni juice (or something like that) which the web site claimed would cure her diabetes. I remember when she told me about it, how excited she was that she found it, I knew she was not going to be swayed away from it, but still I had to point out that not everything said on the Internet is true. She wouldn’t hear me so the next best thing I could say was to make sure she researched it thoroughly before she did anything that might be dangerous. She is dead now, but she didn’t have to be. This is misinformation that can be found on the Internet. It isn’t too far off from the misinformation about vaccines that can also be found on the Internet, and is just as harmful to those that fall for it.

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  90. lilady
    June 15, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Talk about going off on a rant on a topic completely O/T to the subject of this thread.

    Jiri, who claims to be a godly church-going Christian stoops to vicious vile name calling…I feel sorry for her children who must listen to her drivel and her self-loathing of women.

    In lieu of a citation from PubMed, she copy/pastes Boyd Haley’s *affidavit*. Dummy cannot even tell us what court hearing or court case that Haley presented his *affidavit* to.

    She reminds me of our resident insane troll…just as insane, just as in need of attention and just as frustrated when we ignore her vile postings.

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  91. MegS
    June 15, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Back to talking to family members about getting the Tdap. Sanofi has a non-branded booklet on tdap and in the back it has these small tear out business cards that you can hand to your family members that say something like we’d love for you to help protect our child talk to your doctor about getting your booster today or something along those lines and on the back of the card it has a place to put an appointment reminder. I though those were cool and plan on giving a booklet to my pregnant sister in law.

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  92. June 15, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Speaking as a parent that knows what Pertussis can do to an innocent child, I speak out on the importance of getting the Adult Tdap Booster Vaccine, which is what this post is about. It is debating whether to vaccinate your child or your neighbors child, it is about the need for parents to protect their infants that are not old enough for the vaccine against Pertussis (whooping cough). Carter wasn’t old enough to get the vaccine when he contracted whooping cough and in 9 days went from a perfectly healthy baby boy to earning his heavenly wings. If we would have had the Adult Tdap Booster would it have saved Carter, well I can not say that with 100% accuracy but I can say I wish I would have had the booster and known that I had done every thing I could to protect him and given him a chance to grow up. I know have a 13 month old and we did request that all of our immediate family, friends, and babysitter have the Tdap Booster, if they made the choice not to then we made the choice not to let them see our daughter. I know to vaccinate or not to vaccinate your child is a great debate that may never be settled but that is not what this survey is about.

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  93. MegS
    June 15, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    That booklet is put out by Sanofi, Sounds of Pertussis, and March of Dimes. So I bet if you asked your local sanofi rep if they had any of the new sounds of pertussis booklets they could get you some.

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  94. lilady
    June 15, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    My dear Carter’s mom…You brought tears to my eyes with your grief at losing your precious baby boy. My son died eight years ago; he was older than Carter and his death was not from pertussis. You never quite get over the loss, but the pain lessens as time elapses.

    Your advocacy on behalf of children is a testament to the love you had and still have for Carter. Thank you for sharing and be assured that we all share your loss.

    Fondly, lilady

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  95. Carter's Mom
    June 15, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    MegS you are correct about Sanofi, Sounds of Pertussis, and March of Dimes. That is who I work with to tell Carter’s story. We did media interviews recently on this very survey and on the need for education of Adults on the Tdap booster.

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  96. Carter's Mom
    June 15, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    lilady, you are correct the pain of losing a child never goes away no matter how the child was lost. I don’t hurt as much everyday but I still wake up and Carter is the first thing on my mind. Thank you for your kind words.

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  97. Kelly
    June 15, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    It is stories like yours, Carter’s Mom, that inspires me to continue to correct misinformation about vaccines. If one child can be spared, I would feel my time is well spent. Nobody should have to endure the loss of a child. My deepest sympathies for you, lilady, and all who have lost a child.

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  98. lilady
    June 15, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    For Jiri Only: Push the “Play Button” and then come back to tell us about the benign nature of pertussis…

    http://www.pkids.org/diseases/pertussis.html

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  99. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    I just came back from my annual physical. I was given the shingles vaccine, and explained that I had my Tdap last year elsewhere. I dragged in my twenty-one old son and my husband because they were very overdue for a regular physical. My son received the first of the HPV series, and my hubby received the Tdap.

    So now our little street is safer for the two new babies on our block.

    The physician’s assistant mentioned that the surge in pertussis outbreaks in our state, that the schools should require the Tdap for all of their staff, especially teachers of young children. It is something that is required for the staff of the medical clinic and the hospital next door, so it would be a good idea for others who work around young children.

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  100. Jiri
    June 15, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    I just came back from my annual physical. I was given the shingles vaccine, and explained that I had my Tdap last year elsewhere. I dragged in my twenty-one old son and my husband because they were very overdue for a regular physical. My son received the first of the HPV series, and my hubby received the Tdap. So now our little street is safer for the two new babies on our block. The physician’s assistant mentioned that the surge in pertussis outbreaks in our state, that the schools should require the Tdap for all of their staff, especially teachers of young children. It is something that is required for the staff of the medical clinic and the hospital next door, so it would be a good idea for others who work around young children.

    That is one of the most ridiculous thins I’ve geard on here as of yet! And that is saying ALOT!
    Your sons HPV and your husbands tdap makes those new babies on your street more safe! You are as brainwashed as the former commenters. This makes my stomach spin. Your 21 yr old shoulve ignored you, and your husband, well…obviously let’s you control you all and in the name of supposed health. You are crazy and you will see, your injecting your family with toxic sludge. You can have my portion too, I will never never vaccinate myself or my family, and sadly, I won’t vaccinate them for the same reason you do vax them. I love them, and know I know I’m protecting them. Get out of this site and good some real research. This is all rubbish, however, I would most definitely enjoy meeting anyone of you pro vaxxers in person, it would e my pleasure !

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  101. Carter's Mom
    June 15, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Everyone has an opionion and not everyone is going to agree. You do what is best for your family and others will do what is best for their families. If you would like to hear a story of a family that has been affected by Pertussis because that again is what this post is about PERTUSSIS and the ADULT TDAP BOOSTER then I will be glad to send you links to a video of our interviews or pictures of what it did to our sweet child. Again this article and survey
    isn’t about to vax or not vax CHILDREN, it is about ADULTS and the need for the ADULT TDAP BOOSTER. It is very disheartening when pro vax and anti vaxxers take any opportunity to turn something into a great debate of the century. Stay on topic, read the article and follow along with the discussion at hand.

    An exactly what would be the point of meeting in person ? You are still not going to change someone mind as I am sure they will not change yours ?

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  102. Carter's Mom
    June 15, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Chris, I also had the HPV vaccine given to my older son, and my husband had his Tdap Booster after we lost Carter. Since then the majority of my family has been vaccinated along with most of our friends. I have a new nephew due on Monday and I know I have done my part to keep him safe, as well as other children I come in contact with.

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  103. Carter's Mom
  104. Lawrence
    June 15, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    I wonder how Jiri feels about Tetanus or Rabies………

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  105. Carter's Mom
    June 15, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    If we had known about the Adult Tdap Booster in 2009 we may have been able to prevent this from happening.

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  106. Carter's Mom
    June 15, 2012 at 3:49 pm
  107. Lawrence
    June 15, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    So Jiri – in a world without vaccines (since you are now taking advantage of herd immunity, which significantly reduces that chances that your family will come in contact with vaccine-preventable diseases), exactly how would you protect your children from measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, HepB, Rotavirus, etc, etc, etc?

    The very real side-effects of those diseases – including various complications from opportunistic infections, are no joke – and include blindness, deafness, encephalitis, birth defects from rubella, sterility, and a host of other problems.

    Sure, we can keep people alive nowadays with better health care, but we can’t do a thing against the standard list of disease-related complications and side-effects.

    It is very obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about & have swallowed the anti-vax lies, hook, line & sinker.

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  108. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    I am so sorry for your loss. I made sure we are all vaccinated to prevent stories like yours.

    My oldest was born over twenty years ago and had neonatal seizures. He could not get the pertussis vaccine, just the diphtheria/tetanus vaccine. There was no pertussis vaccine for adults, but I did ask if the children he came into contact with were fully vaccinated.

    At that time our county was having a pertussis outbreak, and it was around the time measles returned killing over 120 Americans (two in our state).

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  109. Chris
    June 15, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    You really are not a very nice person. You claim you want your son to be a “Godly husband”, but what does that mean? Does it mean resorting to lies and insults when someone does not agree with him? Is he going to so “Godly” with respect to women he will just call them whores if they do not do as he pleases.

    Fortunately the men in my family are kind, intelligent and respect women.

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  110. lilady
    June 15, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Carter’s Mom

    XXX and OOO

    lilady

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  111. novalox
    June 15, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Yawn, the old pharma shill gambit.

    As noted, the regular posters here have asked for evidence for your “claims”, while all you have done is hurl invective, ad hominems, and fallacious attacks and reasoning.

    Shows your true nature and your ignorance regarding vaccines.

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  112. novalox
    June 15, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Jiri :
    I won’t bother, you are lazy. Whether or not you like the way I gave you info, you didn’t even look at it. I have access to a medical library as well, I’m just going to continue educating people about the facts. At the end of the day, squalene is never good for the body some vaccines have as many as 40 different viruses and some contain cancer virus. Those are facts, anyone can verify that. Itsnoutnof control at what is happening in this national argument. Freedom to choose is essential. My children thank me for never injecting them with highly toxic scum, my husband has always agreed and supported this view we live with. Him as a marine, has actually been successful at sidestepping a few things in his career and without going into detail, he is grateful for this knowledge, his fellow marines have suffered for the lack of knowledge and has suffered tremendously in their health, which has robbed their wife and children with a quality of life. You are entitled your opinions, but your ignorance, lies and deceit is dispicable

    Dunning-Kreuger, anyone?

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  113. lilady
    June 15, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    “Dunning-Kreuger, anyone?”

    Bot, anyone?

    Potty-Mouthed Troll, anyone?

    Her post up up thread, (# 33), just confirms for me, that this ignoramus’ resource is rense,com…the repository of racism, hate and disinformation.

    Time to ignore this creepy poster…she’s really insane.

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  114. June 16, 2012 at 12:42 am

    How dose Pertussis spread in both adult and children? Can pertussis be curable.

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  115. Chris
    June 16, 2012 at 1:07 am

    An adult who seems to have just a bad cough is near a child, so the child gets pertussis. It is spread in the air. If a child gets pertussis from classmate in school, they can give it to a parent. Even if a person actually had pertussis they can get it again, sometimes in less than five years, see:
    Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2005 May;24(5 Suppl):S58-61.
    Duration of immunity against pertussis after natural infection or vaccination.

    The problem is that while pertussis is a bacterial infection it creates toxins. Antibiotics can stop the bacteria from creating more toxins, but the toxins will still cause issues with breathing. It is particularly deadly for babies under a year old. From CDC Pink Book Pertussis chapter:

    The medical management of pertussis cases is primarily
    supportive, although antibiotics are of some value. Erythromycin is the drug of choice. This therapy eradicates the organism from secretions, thereby decreasing communicability and, if initiated early, may modify the course of the illness.

    Really, it is better to prevent it by vaccinating yourself and other adults with the Tdap, and making sure all children are current with their DTaP series.

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  116. gattarian
    June 16, 2012 at 1:20 am

    Jiri – “Wasnt thalidomide proven safe an effective through your scientific methods, ”

    No. Just like everything else, you have completely misunderstood this subject.

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  117. Chris
    June 16, 2012 at 1:24 am

    Ugh… what a bad sentence! I need to change “An adult who seems to have just a bad cough is near a child, so the child gets pertussis.” to…

    “An adult will seem to have a bad cough, but not know it is pertussis will come into contact with a child. Since his/her coughing will put the pertussis bacteria in the air, the child can breathe it in and get pertussis.”

    Mr. Gurkumo, I hope this helps.

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  118. lilady
    June 16, 2012 at 2:41 am

    Another great link for you…that also links to the CDC Fact Sheet-Pertussis:

    http://www.cdc.gov/features/pertussis/

    Hope this helps you to understand the pertussis disease process.

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  119. anonymous
    June 16, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Jiri, I’m sorry you got sucked into this thread. I did the same thing a few nights ago. You cannot speak to the sheeple. Let them stay with the herd and follow the dark deception of big pharma.

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  120. Kelly
    June 16, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Yes, it is so horrible that we aren’t swayed by misinformation, misconception and logical fallacies spewed by anti-vaxers.

    The anti-vaxers get frustrated that we don’t just accept their opinion without thinking for ourselves. Using scientific evidence and logic, we show how worthless their opinion is, so they resort to calling us names.

    How horrible we are for thinking about others in the herd instead of putting our selfish interests first.

    Being frowned upon and sneered at because I demonstrate a higher intellect and moral values is a badge of honor not a shame.

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  121. Jiri
    June 16, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Thank you anonymous! I was beginning to feel a little out numbered, lol! Its been so long since I’ve run into pro vax, that I had actually forgotten the level of ignorance they speak with. It’s cult like and sickening. I am hearing them spout out the same paid for argument that has always been, it’s not changed at all. I also learned they are lazy, they ask for your info, then don’t read it then discredit it. That’s not ethical. I found it most interesting, and frustrating that they gave no credence to real stories of real people who have either died or been personally affected by someone who developed some from of damage after vaccination. Ultimately, I was reminded by several pro vaxxers what the topic of this thread was, so then I made the assertion, that a request is really ridiculous, these people with thir brainwash, agenda an condescension have really been annoying. And I’ve never seen so many wrong rude people in one location.
    I don’t know how I ended up here but it was Interesting.

    Sheep is an understatement

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  122. Jiri
    June 16, 2012 at 10:19 am

    lilady :
    Another great link for you…that also links to the CDC Fact Sheet-Pertussis:
    http://www.cdc.gov/features/pertussis/
    Hope this helps you to understand the pertussis disease process.

    To an anti vaxxer, you can’t credit a source we don’t give credibility to. You try to prove or establish your Facts, but you sighting an organization that has been proven to lie, discredits you too. Independent un pharma funded true statistics done exist on this subject and if you can’t admit that, there is nothing to discuss

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  123. Kelly
    June 16, 2012 at 10:30 am

    You don’t give credibility to people that are experts in the topic and support their information with evidence. Instead you claim that they lie without any evidence whatsoever. Please provide evidence to the false statements in the CDC link about pertussis. You know, like we do when we correct your false information.

    Your are right, that if you can’t accept the data that shows that you are wrong, there really isn’t anything to discuss. Makes me wonder why you are here then, considering your faith-based fantasy about vaccines will not be swayed by reality.

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  124. Lara Lohne
    June 16, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    It isn’t surprising, Jiri, that you haven’t spoken to vaccine advocates for a while, given that most of the ‘information’ you provided is not scientific research but personal stories (AKA: anecdotes) which are only shared/ spread and presented as ‘evidence’ on anti-vaccine websites and blogs. When you only go to places that allow one opinion to be shared, of course you aren’t going to speak with anyone of a differing opinion. It’s really difficult to maintain that your opinion is correct when you allow someone to show scientific evidence proving your opinion wrong.

    I submit the opinion that anonymous and Jiri, and Lynn Mulder are the same person on the other side of the screen. That, in essence, is dishonest, that you feel the need to play multiple roles in order to ‘beef up’ your position. More people shouting the same lies and misinformation does not make those lies and misinformation any less false, nor any more true.

    The ‘information’ you provided, was read, it was annoying that you couldn’t post the link to actual scientific studies, but only copy and paste, literal anti-vaccine crap, from a web site that is not credible and then you get offended when we don’t accept it. Let me clue you in. Anecdotes are not data, not proof and it doesn’t matter how many people claim something, if science proves otherwise, the logical, skeptical mind will accept what science says. Until science says otherwise, these stories you are using to try and prove your point are not true. If you wish to be taken seriously, provide links (not copy and pasting, but actual links) to credible, scientific studies to back up your claims. If you cannot provide that, then be prepared to be called a liar and misinformed.

    Nobody has insulted you, we have pointed out when you have been incorrect, in a discussion such as what you are engaged in, that is going to happen. The fact that you have become so frustrated and flustered that you must resort to name calling yourself and have become so defensive, actually weakens your claim and makes you appear irrational rather then adding credence to what you say. Translation: your actions and words, and lack of the ability to spell check and proof read before you post, makes you appear all the more a liar (by the way, if you know something is true and refuse to accept it and continue to spread the same misinformation, that makes you a liar. That isn’t an insult, that is what you are.) Refusing to accept scientific evidence that proves your claims wrong is ignorant and although we know we won’t sway you (trust me honey, we aren’t trying to) there will be others who will see how ridiculous your claims are when weighed against actual science, and your defensive attitude and rudeness adds more credibility to what we say.

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  125. lilady
    June 16, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    (Why do I even bother) Listen up Jiri. I lost a childhood friend to pertussis and my cousin was left with lifelong neurological sequelae from measles encephalitis.

    I worked hard to get a University education and to get my registered nurse license. I worked in a County Health Department-Division of Communicable Diseases Control investigating cases of vaccine-preventable diseases, including the death of a young infant from pertussis, contracted from an older household member. I saw firsthand the decrease in often deadly invasive meningitis and septicemia cases, once vaccines became available to prevent these diseases.

    If I were a *Pharma Shill* I could have made much money, practicing in a hospital, but I am dedicated to the public health system that keeps kids safe. I lived on my salary from the government and unlike you, who has no education, who is scientifically illiterate, who is a neglectful parent and lives in a fantasy world, I’m not on the dole as a military wife dependent who has no marketable skills, who is unemployed and unemployable.

    None of us care if you are functionally illiterate. We realize that the science of immunology and epidemiology is beyond your education level (high school dropout) and beyond your comfort zone where you can discuss anything on a mature level.

    Try to stay away from notorious anti-vaccine websites, rense.com…which spoon feeds you your hatred of science, your conspiracy theories and your racism. Go back to school to learn some sentence structure, how to frame your drivel into some coherent thoughts and some very basic science and critical thinking skills. Until that time, stay away from science blogs…you are out of your league here.

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  126. ella
    June 16, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Thanks, Jiri, what great posts, and right on the mark! I might add that Walker proved in 1994 that the pertussis vaccine for two-month old babies provides no protection at all, while, according to the Manitoba study, it more than doubles the child’s risk of asthma at seven.

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  127. ella
    June 16, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Jiri,
    Laura’s story was very moving. The people here are not allowed to think or talk about the tragedy of vaccine-damaged children (and adults). Of course it’s true that death or disability caused by vaccine-preventable diseases are tragic, but a reasonable, compassionate person can feel grief at anyone’s suffering for any reason. Parents have a terrible responsibility that they cannot avoid to research the diseases and vaccines very carefully before permitting their child to get any vaccine. They kill and disable far more often than the people here admit.

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  128. Kelly
    June 16, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    I’m afraid your information about vaccines causing asthma is outdated, ella. This link provides more recent studies that show no link between vaccines and asthma. http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-safety/asthma-and-vaccines

    Several doses are needed of DTaP to achieve protection. That is why it is so important to get the adults vaccinated to protect these newborns until they can be fully vaccinated.

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  129. Chris
    June 16, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Elle, citation needed. Because we have no idea who Walker is. And be careful with throwing around Gordon Stewart’s name, because in an American courtroom he said a paper he was referencing was on human children, but it was on mice.

    Here is real research: Impact of anti-vaccine movements on pertussis control: the untold story. You, Jiri, Ms. Mulder and the rest of your socks need to learn how to reply with the title, journal and date of PubMed indexed papers. Not random websites, news reports and spurious insults.

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  130. ella
    June 16, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    When a vaccine could easily kill or disable my child with autism, asthma, etc., its is my duty to decide whether or not I believe the risk to his health from the diseases is greater than the risk to his health from the vaccine. I agree with Jiri, I have no obligation to cripple my child to protect the herd.

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  131. ella
    June 16, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Jiri,
    All your information is really impressive, and totally factual in nature. Thank you for taking the time to do this. I hope it will inform people coming here genuinely looking for information to help them make the vaccine decision. Of course the people here will just shoot you down, but it’s brave of you to put the truth out there for him who has ears to hear.

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  132. Kelly
    June 16, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    The people here are not allowed to think or talk about the tragedy of vaccine-damaged children (and adults).

    Not allowed? Seriously? As you can see from the persistence of Jiri’s comments, people here are allowed to talk about anything we want even if nobody else agrees with them.

    Furthermore, nobody here denies the risk of vaccine injury, however death is extremely rare. For instance, there are no deaths caused by the DTaP vaccine, but the diseases this vaccine prevents have very high mortality rates. Even though the vaccine isn’t perfect, it is still a better choice than not vaccinating.

    If you have evidence to the contrary, then please, by all means post it so we may discuss it.

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  133. Chris
    June 16, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Ella sock, actually Dr. Haley’s company, AltCorp, was in the business of separating people from their money by scaremongering. Later he decided to sell in an industrial chelator for parents to sprinkle on their children’s morning cereal. Until he was shut down.

    Nothing Jiri has contributed is factual.

    Oh, and here is more recent data on asthma and vaccination, I assume you will update your resources soon:

    Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2002 Jun;21(6):498-504.
    Childhood vaccinations and risk of asthma.

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  134. Kelly
    June 16, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Except ella that vaccines don’t cause autism or asthma. You cannot do a proper risk assessment if you are going to fear vaccines for some fantasy risks you just made up while ignoring the real risks of the diseases.

    By not vaccinating, you are leaving your child at a much greater risk of being crippled than by vaccinating. If your desire is not to cripple your child, then you have made the wrong choice by not vaccinating.

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  135. ella
    June 16, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Of course it’s tragic when babies like Carter or Brady die of pertussis. It’s also tragic when people of any age die, like Laura, from the pertussis vaccine. Ginger Taylor’s little boy got autism from it. One in nine children vaccinated for pertussis has asthma, only one in fifty or a hundred who is not vaccinated. Nearly all the children who die in an asthma attack die because they got the vaccine. Many get seizure disorders from it. The mother whose child died from the vaccine feels just as much grief, maybe more, because it was from something she actively permitted.

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  136. ella
    June 16, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Mr. Yusuf,
    Pertussis spreads very easily, the bacteria are transmitted when infected people cough. It is usually only dangerous to newborns, and is not usually a dangerous disease at all to people over four months old. The vaccine doesn’t protect very well, and countless appropriately-vaccinated people can still spread it, as we have seen in all the recent outbreaks. Quarantine of newborns is the only reliable way to protect them in their vulnerable months. It destroys the cilia in the airways, so the alarming cough is needed to cough up the mucus which otherwise might pool in the lungs and cause pneumonia. Antibiotics could be given to people who have been exposed to it to try to stop them from developing disease, but antibiotics do no good once the coughing sets in, as the cough is caused by toxins produced and not by the bordatella bacterium itself. Homeopathic pertudoron 1 and 2 can be given to treat the disease, and high doses of vitamin C. The baby must be held in an upright position throughout all coughing fits, to help him cough out the mucus., and must be kept warm. Once the coughing starts, there is no allopathic treatment for the disease, only supportive measures until the disease runs its course. It lasts for a long time, between one and three months, but, again, is not usually dangerous, most people feel fine between coughing fits (I know I did), and confers long-lasting immunity, several decades at least.

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  137. ella
    June 16, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    I thought Jiri was out of her league here because she was better informed than you guys.

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  138. Chris
    June 16, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Please provide the title, journal and title of the PubMed indexed papers that show that the DTaP carries a greater risk of death, asthma, seizures and autism than tetanus, pertussis and diphtheria.

    Since almost every child is vaccinated for pertussis your asthma statistic if meaningless. Again some real citations:

    Vaccine. 2012 Jan 5;30(2):247-53.
    Lack of association between childhood immunizations and encephalitis in California, 1998-2008.

    Pediatrics Vol. 126 No. 2 August 1, 2010 (doi: 10.1542/peds.2009-1496)
    Lack of Association Between Acellular Pertussis Vaccine and Seizures in Early Childhood

    Pediatrics. 2010 Jun;125(6):1134-41.
    On-time vaccine receipt in the first year does not adversely affect neuropsychological outcomes.

    Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2006 Sep;25(9):768-73.
    Encephalopathy after whole-cell pertussis or measles vaccination: lack of evidence for a causal association in a retrospective case-control study.

    Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2002 Jun;21(6):498-504.
    Childhood vaccinations and risk of asthma.

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  139. Chris
    June 16, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    ella:

    Once the coughing starts, there is no allopathic treatment for the disease, only supportive measures until the disease runs its course.

    Which is why it is better to prevent it.

    It lasts for a long time, between one and three months, but, again, is not usually dangerous, most people feel fine between coughing fits (I know I did), and confers long-lasting immunity, several decades at least.

    Very very wrong. It kills babies, and causes some people to break ribs. It also causes loss of income when adults cannot work for weeks at a time.

    Even after coughing up a lung for three months the immunity does not last very long. It can go away in just four years, which is why you should make sure a child gets their full DTaP series, and the adults get Tdap boosters:

    Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2005 May;24(5 Suppl):S58-61.
    Duration of immunity against pertussis after natural infection or vaccination.

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  140. Chris
    June 16, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    If she was better informed then why did she only cut and paste from conspiracy websites and quacks (like the guy who was selling an industrial chelator for kids), but did not cite any real scientific literature?

    And obviously Jiri and her sock puppets did not know that pertussis immunity can go away in just four years even after you recover from the disease. Plus there is no immunity from diphtheria or tetanus if you actually survive the real diseases. A better way to get immunity from the three bacterial diseases is to make sure children have the full DTaP series and teenagers/adults get Tdap boosters.

    If you had any real scientific evidence to back up your claims, you would have used them. Argument by blatant assertion does not work.

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  141. Kelly
    June 16, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Better informed when every single thing she has said was factual wrong? But then again what do you know, from your posts, you are just as uninformed as she is.

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  142. Lara Lohne
    June 16, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    I had pertussis when I was in high school. I don’t have asthma. As far as I am aware there isn’t any actual name for what’s wrong with me other then damage from a disease that could have been prevented with a vaccine that my parents felt was evil and dangerous. Speaking as an adult who was once a child forced to live (and ultimately engrained so deeply I believed too) the anti-vaccine rhetoric and lifestyle, I can honestly say, I would have preferred to get the vaccines then suffer through the diseases they prevent. I have lasting damage that makes me have asthma like symptoms, but it isn’t actually asthma, I am extremely susceptible to respiratory infections, bronchitis and pneumonia, not to mention the fact that I have the lung capacity of an elderly lady, and I’m only 41. That is the legacy of a disease that I suffered through needlessly. And science and shown time and time and time again, vaccines DO NOT do what you claim. Why can you not accept that you are wrong and science is right?

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  143. Chris
    June 16, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    And why can she not accept that it is cruel and inhumane to make children suffer from those diseases when they can be prevented?

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  144. Jiri
    June 16, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Chris,
    Nice, but I’ve had enough of your name calling…why are you calling me a sock? That makes you a hypocrite! Ive had enough of your complete and total arrogance, rudeness and most obvious …ignorance. Go tell your rhetoric to someone who will swallow. Its to late fr you to impact my well researched beliefs. Don’t bother a reply, because you insulting me telling me my research is bogus has no affect. I overcame years ago people like you making me second guess myself. Truth is, time will tell!

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  145. June 16, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    I can answer this as a mother who gave Whooping Cough to her young child. I had what I thought was a cold and a cough. I washed it up to sinus/allergies, I was given antibiotics at Carter’s birth and thought the cold would have to run it’s course. Carter contracted Whooping Cough from me, and died at the young age of 7.5 weeks old.

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  146. Chris
    June 16, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Jiri:

    Nice, but I’ve had enough of your name calling…why are you calling me a sock? That makes you a hypocrite! Ive had enough of your complete and total arrogance, rudeness and most obvious …ignorance. </blockquote.

    A sock puppet is when somebody posts with other identities. It is like you put socks on your hands and are pretending they are different people.

    Please, don't let us stop your dramatic exit.

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  147. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 12:33 am

    I have not been to this post prior to this topic. I won’t be back to your site, I think the very fact that you could think up that someone has nothing better to do than make different screen names to troll your sites makes you look paranoid. You continue to name call and use base insults to make your entire persona superior to anything that is opposing your audacity. Bottom line, there is much research to justify my choice, whether you give it any thoughtful consideration is your choice. But calling me a sock, and inferring that I would be so trolling to try and figure out how to make duplicate screen names after you blatantly referred to me as illiterate, couldn’t do more than copy and paste and that I was to ignorant to figure out how to site a real study….well, you can’t have it both ways. I am not a sock or a troll. And am totally blown away by the ignorance and bully’s. Educate before you vaccinate. Although I am not for running into the Dr. With my WELL children, as their mother,and knowing a mothers intuition, I know if my children are developing or if there are problems, I consider it a blessing that they are healthy, never ill, ever an ear infection, not sick ever. I thank God for that, there are many things wrong with the argument to vax or not, again, I believe it goes back to live and let live. You have the right to and I have the right not to, I think I’m right, you think your right, one of us is right! It’s only the past 30 years and then more frequent that basically after you give Birth, they give you a schedule to bring your baby back at 2 mth, 4 mth, 6mth, 1year, 18 mth, now up to adult hood, senior age, infants, pregnant women, truth is, there are more vaccines bombarding America than ever before, and the health of our Nation has caused us to slip down to ranking 34th in the world for infant morality. We lead the world in cancer, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, Autism, that you can’t refute, you may not agree with me on vaccines, but can you agree with me on the health of our nation? If so, can you be bjective enough to ask the necessary question as to why and at has changed in 30 years to ake a nation so sick. When our own government used a group of back en living in the south to do a social guinea pig experiment without informing them, inject them with syphyllis and watched them suffer, go crazy and deny treatment, and then I’m supposed to believe autism has no link with vaccines, that’s a are pill to swallow! Can you see what I’m saying. You’ve had to of heard about the Tuskeegee Experiment? Don’t dare bother to try telling me, that I am lying, it is true! No sock here…my name Jiri!

    I am having an out loud rhetorical thought at the moment, so no need to answer, rhetoric is just that…but my mind can’t help but wonder how many left wing, liberals are really frequenting this blog! How many hear love the United Nations, how many who think flouriated water is good for you, how many believe 911 happened just the way “they say ” it happened. How many believe dessert storm syndromeis just ” in their mind”

    Again, it was rhetoric don’t bother giving an answer to that.

    But I will say, I love our Constitution, Bill of Rights…and for me, it will boil down to babies, guns and Jesus, and per my Constitution God given rights, they are just that, my rights.
    As long as my Constitutional rights are defended and upheld, I don’t worry about your vaccine fantasy as you keep regurgitating over and over and over the same dead points. I am protected against anyone coming at me or mine with a needle for ” the greater good”

    Have some Aldous Huxley lovers in the house, along with Margaret Sanger lovers along with Darwin!

    Be mindful that I am responding to your comments, unlike you, I remember the original topic of discussion.

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  148. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 12:46 am

    Jiri:

    Bottom line, there is much research to justify my choice, whether you give it any thoughtful consideration is your choice.

    Excellent! We eagerly await the titles, journals and dates of the PubMed indexed papers by those who are qualified and not had their medical licenses questioned that show that the DTaP and Tdap are more dangerous than diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis.

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  149. Carter's Mom
    June 17, 2012 at 12:51 am

    I am not sure you do remember the orginal topic of discussion. The survey referenced in this blog is speaking about Adults getting an Adult Tdap Booster Vaccine that are going to be around Children that are not old enough to be vaccinated at birth. It has nothing to do with your child being vaccinated or not. It is making reference to parents that fully intend to vaccinate their children when they are 2 months old but until that time protecting them until that time by asking the adults that come in contact with them to have the booster. I do understand that all vaccines are not 100% and I also know that children are not 100% vaccinated after their first shot. I chose to cocoon my daughter until she was fully vaccinated and that was a choice that my husband and I made after losing our son to Whooping Cough. Just as you feel you are protecting your children by not vaccinating, we did what we felt was important. But again this article as nothing to do with vaccinate children that are the age of vaccinations it is about adults and stopping the spread of Pertussis that is becoming and epidemic in many states, if you don’t believe me pick up a paper or google it. I believe that every one has a right to live their life the way they see fit, but I don’t believe that God thinks any less of me because we do vaccinate or that he thinks better of you because you don’t. My bible doesn’t state anything about to vaccinate or not.

    But again you mentioned remembering what the post was about, you should read it again it is about the Tdap Booster for Adults, to protect newborns until the are old enough to be vaccinated. So if you don’t agree with vaccinating in the first place there was really no reason for you to join the conversatin except to start a debate, which is what you got.

    I speak on the importance of the Tdap Booster on a regular basis so I do have a leg to stand on to know what I am talking about. The survey isn’t debating children vaccination, just the need to vaccinate the adults that are carrying WC and spreading it to children that are not vaccinated whether it is by choice or because they are not old enough to be vaccinated. But again that is not the debate, the point again is adults are developing WC and spreading it and it is killing infants whether their parents are vaxxers or anti vaxxers.

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  150. Carter's Mom
    June 17, 2012 at 12:54 am

    No vaccines are 100% but Pertussis/Whooping Cough is being spread mainly by the adults whose vaccinations have worn off or who never had a vaccination in the first place.

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  151. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 1:00 am

    Oh, and Jiri, I should remind you that more than half of the DTaP vaccines do not have thimerosal. So you should not mention that.

    Plus, like Carter’s Mom said: you should stick to the subject of the article. So perhaps you should tell us how the Tdap is so dangerous to teenagers and adults.

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  152. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 2:14 am

    A recent study conducted by the CDC found that children who were vaccinated (but not fully) tend to come from homes run by poor, unmarried, badly educated mothers who trust their doctors, whereas children who were never vaccinated tend to come from homes where they are well-provided for, with married parents who possess a college degree and do not permit doctors to influence their vaccination decisions.
    [Fox, Maggie. “Reasons Differ for Unvaccination and Undervaccination of Children.” Reuters. July 6, 2004.]

    MEDICAL VERITAS is the preeminent journal that serves as an interface between academics, scientists, researchers, medical practitioners, and concerned patients and parents. Relevant topics range from basic research, general medical practice, vaccines, treatments, bias and other conflicts of interest in research, to immunology, vaccine injury, and infectious disease

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  153. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 2:27 am

    What does that have to do with the Tdap? And when did Medical Veritas get indexed on PubMed? And what kind of scientific journal is Reuters? I thought it was a news site.

    Jiri, what is your scientifically proven way to protect newborns from pertussis? Please provide the title, journal and date of the PubMed indexed paper that show that the method actually works. Add this to the request to stay on topic and show that the Tdap is more dangerous than tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis.

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  154. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 2:30 am

    Your are unbelievable! You can site it yourself!

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  155. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 2:40 am

    Ella, after reading your statements, it appears to me, you are one well informed, and well spoken researcher. Someone highly educated and in the know! You did better than I, I’m a mom, you seem like a professional! You made my night:)

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  156. Lara Lohne
    June 17, 2012 at 2:49 am

    Jiri, here is a little clue since you seem unable to grasp it on your own: If there is not reputable, scientific data to back up your claim, then it is only a claim. If you do have data that supports your case (I’m still uncertain what that is as far as the topic of this post is concerned) please provide that data so that we all may become enlightened. The fact that you continually refuse to provide what we are asking for tells us there is nothing scientific in support of your claim, otherwise you would provide it, as we have provided you with scientific data to support our claim. Without credible, verifiable science behind a claim, it is nothing more then a fairy tale. We don’t know you from Adam, or Eve, so I really hope you don’t just expect us to take your word for anything. If you do, well, remember that beach front property in Wyoming you mentioned a couple nights ago? You don’t believe us even though we provide you with true, honest, scientific fact to back up what we say, we don’t have to believe you just because you say something is true. If you want us to believe you, prove what you say, show us the evidence (scientific data, not copy/pasting from a haters’ website). That’s the thing about science, it’s real, it’s verifiable, and unless a person is incredibly thick headed, it cannot be refuted without additional science.

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  157. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 2:53 am

    Honestly, I don’t care what you believe!

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  158. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 3:43 am

    It is not belief. Belief will not protect a newborn from pertussis. Again, what is your scientifically proven way to protect newborns from pertussis?

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  159. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 3:45 am

    Actually, there seems to be a high probability that you and Ella share the same ISP.

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  160. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 3:52 am

    Paranoid, accusatory, wrong and so unpleasant! Do you insult all anti vaxxers or did I hit a special nerve with you? I chuckle that you know my name, and long after I forget our exchange, you will always remember my name and how it’s spelled!

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  161. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 3:54 am

    Lol to both of you! Total BS! Everything you’ve said! Manipulative! Who are you funded by? Til you answer that, I don’t wnt o hear anything out of you.
    Fear momgering abusers of innocent and inquiring people

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  162. Lara Lohne
    June 17, 2012 at 4:34 am

    You are awfully defensive for someone who ‘knows the truth’ and insists that we are all liars. The only person here name calling and being rude is you. We have pointed out simply that your spelling and grammar leave a lot to be desired and your claims are incorrect and/or misinformed, or if they are not to prove it with science. You cannot prove it, therefore you are the liar. You have not been victimized by us so stop playing the victim. If you don’t like that we are unable to accept what you say without scientific data to back it up, then it may be time for you to peddle your wares elsewhere. Nobody is buying it here.

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  163. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 5:11 am

    So, Jiri, what is your sure fire plan supported by real scientific evidence to protect newborns from pertussis? Surely you know how to do that, and are capable of telling us how it can be done. Just give us the title, journal and date of the PubMed indexed paper that shows the stated plan works. Is that too difficult?

    And continuing on the subject of this article, why is the Tdap so dangerous compared to tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis? Especially since getting it reduces the chances of getting a baby sick? Don’t you want to make sure babies don’t get sick? Seriously, who wants babies to get pertussis?

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  164. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 6:08 am

    Jiri,again I ask: what is your scientifically proven method of protecting newborns from pertussis? The article above says to make sure the nearby adults have had a Tdap. ‘

    If you have a better procedure, please share it with us. Remember we expect a title,journal and of a PubMed indexed journal. For some reason you don’t know what that means despite several times we have tried to tell you.

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  165. Carter's Mom
    June 17, 2012 at 9:02 am

    So now I am uneducated & unmarried, I didn’t say I didn’t follow the required immunization schedule put forth by the CDC, I made the stmt that I am smart enough to know that evn fully vaccinated that no vaccine protects a child at a 100% but they have a better chance than a child not vaccinated at all.

    I have yet to call you names because I think it is pointless. I just suggested that you read the topic of discussion again. I also see the article that you sighted was dated 2004, unless misread it, that was a long time ago. A lot can change in 8 years.

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  166. anonymous
    June 17, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Since pertussis is spread through the air from droplets from an infected person, up to 3 feet, and on surfaces, and the incubation period could be up to 42 days, what this blog is suggesting is unrealistic and impossible. The people you would need to ask to receive a vaccine: every hospital worker in the hospital who cares for the baby, nurses, aids, doctors, also housekeeping, food handlers, visitors, anyone infected with pertussis in the hospital who has sneezed or coughed on door handles, and other surfaces, someone infected who walks by your car and sneezes on the car door handle just before you open to bring your infant home, if stopping at a store….you get the picture. Vaccination induces fear. Having a strong faith in God the father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit creates peace and reduces fear.

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  167. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    amen! Well said!

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  168. Lawrence
    June 17, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Praying to god worked wonders during the Black Death and 1918 Flu Pandemic, didn’t it?

    I hate Christian hypocrites.

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  169. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Essentially every adult, especially new parents and their relatives.. Most medical care providers are already required to get vaccinated. What we need to do is campaign for all school staff to get the Tdap.

    Vaccination does not induce fear. It is those who make uneducated statements about vaccines that induce fear. This article is about how to save the lives of babies who are too young to be vaccinated.

    And again, by the hammer of Thor, which god? Seriously folks, stop assuming religion will work in the place of actual science and medicine, and that everyone around you goes to the same Christian church (last I checked there are several varieties of Christian religions along with other faiths). Remember it is not what you believe, but what the actual evidence shows.

    And if you want to be an example of a good Christian, get the Tdap. Encourage your family and the rest of your church to get the Tdap. And here is an idea: get your church to run an adult vaccination clinic, that way you will make sure many more babies will be protected from pertussis.

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  170. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Jiri, do you have that plan on how to protect babies from pertussis with actual scientific evidence that it works? Please share it with us. Please make sure that you next comment contains title, journal and dates of PubMed indexed papers to support you statement. For example:

    Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2005 May;159(5):470-6.
    Factors associated with refusal of childhood vaccines among parents of school-aged children: a case-control study.

    JAMA. 2000 Dec 27;284(24):3145-50.
    Individual and community risks of measles and pertussis associated with personal exemptions to immunization.

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  171. Lara Lohne
    June 17, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    @anonymous, there are many hospitals and medical facilities that require their employees to get their regular booster vaccines, and in some cases even yearly flu vaccines, even those who don’t actually have contact with the public. I have a friend who worked in the medical billing and coding department of a major hospital here in my state, she dealt with the insurance companies over the phone, but she was required to keep her vaccinations up to date.

    When I had my son, the nurses and doctors wore masks and gloves any time they were in direct contact with the infants and most infants were kept with their mothers in her room and very rarely were they in the nursery, unless the mother had a necessity (medical complication, etc) that required her to be separated from her child for a time. It is a precaution to ensure the innocents in their charge don’t inadvertently catch something that the employees may not even be aware they have, as many VPDs have an incubation period and are highly contagious before symptoms set it.

    I think everyone is quite well aware of how unlikely it is that everyone who their new born is exposed to is going to be properly vaccinated. It’s also unlikely that everyone will be in direct contact (meaning breathing in their face, touching them, etc.) How many strangers do you allow to touch your new born? My guess is not many, if any at all. The idea here is not to ensure everyone in the world is vaccinated, but that everyone who will have prolonged, frequent and direct contact with the child is vaccinated.

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again; if there is a higher power that you believe in, most likely you believe that higher power created man, and also inspires man. That being the case, that higher power also inspired man to create vaccines (along with many other conveniences of our modern society that you take advantage of every day). Or do you believe that disease is created by this higher power to purge the earth of evil and wicked people? That’s what a lot of people believed way back when the earliest anti-vaccine movement started against small pox inoculations. I know my mom also believed that and that disease would strengthen those who were righteous. How many innocent babies and children died of VPD before vaccines were available to save their lives? How many have died because they are too young to receive their vaccines? Do you believe these little ones were weak, evil or wicked?

    This needs to stop being about right and wrong and start being about the real issue: these diseases kill infants more often then they kill adolescents and adults, and until the infant has received the full series of vaccinations for these diseases, they are vulnerable. It is up to us, as the adults responsible for their protection, to do everything in our power to keep them healthy and safe. One of those steps will be to speak with close friends and family members prior to the birth of the child to make sure they understand, if they wish to be near the infant, they need to be properly vaccinated. If a close friend or family member refuses, that only portrays a lack of concern for this new baby, and personally, if someone is going to put their personal beliefs before the life of my child, I don’t really need, or want that person in my life, because the lives of my children are significantly more important then sparing someone’s feelings. There is a time and a place for disagreement, if the potential exists to endanger lives, there is no room for argument.

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  172. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Chris, every time your words come across, all I see is blah blah blah!

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  173. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension,

    This article is about saving the lives of babies by preventing pertussis. Since they are too young to be protected by the full DTaP vaccine series, this article is encouraging all adults to get a Tdap booster.

    If you have a better idea to protect babies, please share it. Perhaps you should get your church to run a vaccine clinic.

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  174. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    While the medical profession appears to be unified in praise of vaccination, there are thousands of doctors, historians, researchers and government authorities who have not hesitated to voice the truth.
     Documentation
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    1. “Autism: a brain disorder or a disorder that affects the brain?”
    “”… A more in-clusive model would construe autism as a disorder that affects the brain, and that is the outcome of complex interactions among factors related to genetic vulnerability, environmental triggers or causes, and epigenetic changes…””
    Martha R. Herberta, MD, PhD and Teri Arrangab, Medical Veritas 3 (2006) 1182–1194 — 6/1/2007

    2. “Why You Should Avoid Taking Vaccines.”
    “Much of the success attributed to vaccination programs may actually have been due to improvement in public health related to water quality and sanitation, less crowded living conditions, better nutrition, and higher standards of living. ”
    James Howenstine, M.D., NewswithViews.com — 12/7/2003

    3. “”
    “In conclusion, vaccines are a perfect manifestation of everything that is satanic. They represent an adulterous and arrogant tampering with divine creation, based on the intellectual conceit of “perfecting” creation. They are poisonous, containing derivatives from metals such as mercury and aluminum, and from formaldehyde. They are made from the cell lines and viruses of biblically unclean animals such as monkeys, cats, etc. Worst of all, they are made from the cell lines of premeditatedly murdered children. When such abortion-derived vaccines are injected into other living human beings, a subtle form of cannibalism has occurred, a satanic sacrament has been partaken of, straight from the “table of demons” (1 Cor. 10:21). ”
    Bob Sperlazzo, Christian Digest — 11/29/2002

    4. “Current and Future Canine and Feline Vaccination Programs”
    “Annual revaccination provides no benefit and may increase the risk for adverse reactions. The percentage of vaccinated animals (those vaccinated only as puppies) protected from clinical disease after challenge with canine distemper virus, canine parvovirus and canine adenovirus in the study was greater than 95%. ”
    Dr. Ronald D. Schultz, Ph.D. Professor and Chair of the Department of Pathobiological Sciences at the School of Veterinary Medicine, UW-Madison, Vet Med 3: No. 3, 233-254 — 1/1/1998

    5. “”
    “Only about 15% of medical interventions are supprted by solide scientific evidence… This is partly because only 1% of the articles in medical journals are scientifically sound and partly because many treatments have never been assessed at all. ”
    Richard Smith, M.D., Editor of the British Medical Journal — 1/1/1991

    6. “The Polio Problem”
    “”Every one of the handful of polio cases each year in the United States is caused by the vaccine itself.” ”
    Peter Radetsky, N.Z., Listener, pg. 98 — 10/29/1990

    7. “”
    “We are still living with a deceitful government, a compliant press, corruption and an overriding cynicism. ”
    Jim Garrison American Prosecutor who led the enquiry into the assassination of John F. Kennedy.,  — 1/1/1988

    8. “Medical Hypothesis”
    “Since 1961 we have been immunising the human population with attenuated (live) viral vaccines en masse. Such unparalleled use of live viral vaccines may be the reason for the appearance of new diseases. ”
    Dr R. de Long,  — 1/1/1984

    9. “”
    “”Millions of people have been inoculated with anti-polio vaccine contaminated with tumoral SV40 virus.” (Present in the green monkey cells ground to produce the vaccine.) “It is possible that it will take 20 or more years before the eventual harmful effects of the vaccine will manifest itself.” , Denmark, 1973 ”
    Prof. Clausen, Director of the Institute of Preventative Medicine at the University of Odense, Denmark,  — 1/1/1973

    10. “”
    “The only wholly safe vaccine is the vaccine that is never used. ”
    Dr J. Shannon, National Institute of Health, U.S.A. — 6/23/1955

    11. “”
    “The vaccination causes, furthermore an explosion of leukaemia. ”
    Dr B. Duperrat, Presse Medicale — 3/12/1955

    12. “Quote”
    “At present, intelligent people do not have their children vaccinated, nor does the law now compel them to. The result is not, as the Jennerians prophesied, the extermination of the human race by smallpox; on the contrary more people are now killed by vaccination than by smallpox.”–George Bernard Shaw ”
    George Bernard Shaw, The Irish Times — 8/9/1944

    13. “”
    “I have thought many times of all the insane things that we have advocated in medicine, that is one of the most insane- to insist on the vaccination of children, or anybody else, for the prevention of smallpox, when , as a matter of fact, we are never able to prove that vaccination saved one man from smallpox. Naturally not. When you have protected anybody, as we denote protection in medicine, you have at the same time destroyed your evidence. If that man doesn’t take the disease against which he is supposed to be protected, how can you ever know he would have taken it if he hadn’t been protected? We have destroyed the evidence. ”
    Dr. William Howard Hay Addresses the Medical Freedom Society, Congressional Record, Washington, D. C. — 6/25/1937

    14. “”
    “And if you have been dealing, as I have, with the derelicts from all over the world for 30 years, you would find an almost fatal relationship between this history of vaccination and some failing that follows this for many years that has kept a person from being as well as he should have been. ”
    Dr. William Howard Hay Addresses the Medical Freedom Society, Congressional Record, Washington, D.C. — 6/25/1937

    15. “”
    “The first task of every carefully planned conspiracy is to convince the world that no conspiracy exists. That’s why very few people know, or believe, that the chemo-medical combine, whose economic and political clout is comparable to that of the war industry, has long since placed special, trained agents into the mass media, government, the judicial system, humane societies, liberal churches, unions and business. Through them the combine can control everything, especially public opinion, and that is why false medicine is permitted to grow unrestrained, unrestricted, and why vivisection can be palmed off as a noble and highly beneficial practice instead of being exposed as the bane that it really is, not only for animals but also for human beings. And thus also very few people are aware of the conspiracy designed to make the world population drug dependent, by establishing health care (state subsidized, i.e. financed by the helpless taxpayer) as a sort of new religion, which may not be questioned. ”
    Anonymous Public Official,  — 1/1/1900

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  175. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    While the medical profession appears to be unified in praise of vaccination, there are thousands of doctors, historians, researchers and government authorities who have not hesitated to voice the truth.
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    11. “Vaccines: Vital or Vulnerable.”
    “We urge you to remember, you, your child or somebody in your family may be the next victim of the medical profession’s abysmal blindness and disturbing commitment to their sacred cow… Immunisation… What we urge is a world conference on the facts, not the logic of the theory. ”
    Archie Kalokerinos and Glen Dettman,  — 1/1/1900

    12. “”
    “There are better ways to promote America’s health than selling sickness through the language of fear. ”
    Peter Doshi,  — 1/1/1900

    13. “”
    “In the Northern Territories of Australia, according to Drs A. Kalokerinos and G. Dettman, vaccination was killing 500 out of 1,000 aboriginal children. In a two year period without vaccination the death rate was nil.”
    Drs A. Kalokerinos and G. Dettman,  — 1/1/1900

    14. “”
    “Many here voice a silent view that Salk and Sabin vaccines, being made of monkey tissue, have been directly responsible for the major increase of leukaemia in this country. ”
    Dr. F. Klinner,  — 1/1/1900

    15. “”
    “R. Moskowitz, writing in the Journal of the American Institute of Homeopaths, said that vaccination can cause latent, cell-bound, antibody-immune viruses, leading, through stress or shock, to “autonomous multiplication of cells i.e. cancer.”
    R. Moskowitz, Journal of the American Institute of Homeopaths — 1/1/1900

    16. “”
    “Vaccines may caused rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus, erythmatosus, Parkinson’s disease and cancer. ”
    Professor R. Simpson, American Cancer Society,  — 1/1/1900

    17. “”
    “We all hear about the risk-benefit ratios. The so-called benefits obtained by routine immunisations consist of financial rewards for the medical establishment and for the vaccine companies. Defenseless, innocent children are the recipients of the horrendous side-effects and this represents the risk side of the equation.” “… immunisation (vaccinations) are a violation of human rights perpetrated on those of an age too young to protest. If children are to be compensated for vaccine-caused injuries, isn’t this proposed action tantamount to admitting that vaccinations cause damages? ”
    Josephine Sesny, publisher, Health Happenings Hotline — 1/1/1900

    18. “Immunisations”
    “That fact is we have been taught to accept vaccination as a sort of involuntary communion, a sacrament of our own participation in the unrestricted growth of scientific and industrial technology, utterly heedless of the long-term consequences to the health of our own species, let alone to the balance of nature as a whole. ”
    Dr R. Moskowitz, Dissent in Medicine — 1/1/1900

    19. “Vaccines: Vital or Vulnerable”
    “If your doctor suggests immunisation, then it should be your right to either accept or refuse. Should you accept, then ensure that your doctor fully acquaints you with all of the dangers. Ask him to sign a form that will guarantee the effectiveness of the immunisation and an agreement that in the event of any damage he will compensate you up to one million dollars. After all, if it’s as effective and harmless as the high priests of medicine proclaim, he will have absolutely no hesitation in conceding with your wishes! ”
    Drs Archie Kalokerinos and Glen Dettman,  — 1/1/1900

    20. “”
    “It cannot be ruled out that two million New Zealanders could not be suffering in thirty years’ time from cancerous brain tumours as a result of the vaccinations. ”
    Dr A. Malcome, Minister of Health,  — 1/1/1900

    21. “”
    “When I once pointed out to an officer of the United States Public Health Service that articles on vaccination ‘adverse reactions’ often misrepresent the facts and were rarely supported by statistical or other evidence, he responded: ‘That’s true, but it doesn’t matter; we already know that these vaccines are safe.’ ”
    James Howenstine, M.D,  — 1/1/1900

    22. “”
    ““So it is my feeling” concludes Dr. Moskowitz, “that immunizations promote certain types of chronic diseases. And far from producing a genuine immunity, the vaccines are actually a form of immunosuppression.” ”
    Dr. Richard Moskowitz, M.D.,  — 1/1/1900

    23. “”
    “No boy should be given Rubella vaccine, because in boys Rubella is a relatively minor disease. ”
    J. Anthony Morris, Ph.D.,  — 1/1/1900

    24. “”
    “I can say all this attention to the (Epstein-Barr) syndrome, the public awareness, started in the early 1980’s, right after these vaccines came out. Young adults, the ones most likely to be in contact with young children, are the primary targets. It’s too much of a coincidence to ignore. ”
    Allen. D. Allen, Biomedical researcher for Algorithms, Inc.,  — 1/1/1900

    25. “”
    “…any and all flu vaccines are capable of causing Guillain-Barre. ”
    Dr. John Seal of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease.,  — 1/1/1900

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  176. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    This article is about a lot of things, as you have written an awful lot of different topics. I’m saying not ply DO NOT TDAP, don’t vaccinate ever!

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  177. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Jiri, again I ask: what is your scientifically proven method of protecting newborns from pertussis? The article above says to make sure the nearby adults have had a Tdap.

    Please post a method that has been proven to work, and written in this century (not 1937!).

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  178. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Then provide a viable alternative. Tell us how to save the lives of babies, because pertussis kills.

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  179. anonymous
    June 17, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    I never said praying to God is going to save your baby from pertussis. For me, praying brings peace and acceptance in my life to deal with the good and the bad. There is no way to protect your infant from pertussis just as there is no cure for the common cold. The only true way to protect your baby is to stay in your homes, lock your doors, don’t go out in public, wash your hands, wear masks, don’t allow visitors, live in fear. But someday your child will have to leave the safety of your arms and live in our toxic world. Vaccination does not alleviate fear.

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  180. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Or better yet have your church run a Tdap vaccination clinic.

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  181. anonymous
    June 17, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Lawrence….how is it that I am a hypocrite? This discussion is about asking adults to get the Tdap injection to protect our babies, I only stated how difficult this truly would be.
    No need to attack my faith.

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  182. anonymous
    June 17, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Chris…Not sure it would work as there are only about 25-30 members of our church. Small town and all. We did run a flu clinic in the past but the local hospital cut their budget for community nurses so everyone has to go to their local Rite Aid for their shots.

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  183. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Because it looks like your faith wants you to just give up, and not be proactive in the fight to prevent deaths from pertussis.

    Perhaps you should join a church that actually works to benefit the community. Like the one that was behind the building and running of the hospital my son was in a few weeks ago. When disaster hit their town, they got together and raised money to build the a hospital, and found the doctors to work in it, plus started a school of nursing. Those were women who believed not only in God but getting things done.

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  184. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Then join with other community groups. Do not just give up, be proactive.

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  185. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    You can also raise funds for the clinic. Or at least encourage everyone to get the Tdap.

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  186. A Parent
    June 17, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Jiri :
    Chris, every time your words come across, all I see is blah blah blah!

    Jiri: Thank you for all your posts. Many is the time people have written that pro-disease advocates aren’t all bad, and that they really care about the truth, inept as they are to see it. But now, I can always point such misguided optimists to this thread, and let them see your words. In years to come, you may be responsible for saving many lives, convincing parents to get their children vaccinated by demonstrating to any undecided parents the true face of the antivaccine movement and the empty heads and anti-Christian souls behind that sneering face. And the best part is that unlike the antivaccine websites which censor any posts that prove embarrassing to the cause, your dozens of posts will shine here forever. Thanks again

    A Parent.

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  187. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    There is no way to protect your infant from pertussis just as there is no cure for the common cold.

    Well, those are two different things. Pertussis is a bacterial infection that can be vaccinated against. True the DTaP and Tdap are not perfect, but they are better than nothing. And the common cold is a collection of over two hundred viruses, which there is no vaccine.

    It has been shown that places which maintain a good pertussis program have less of the disease floating around, and fewer babies die. It is where those who fearmonger about them that causes pertussis to come back (like UK, Japan and Sweden). Just read Impact of anti-vaccine movements on pertussis control: the untold story. There are other studies specific to the USA that show that philosophical exemptions to vaccines correlates to higher incidence of pertussis:

    Am J Epidemiol. 2008 Dec 15;168(12):1389-96.
    Geographic clustering of nonmedical exemptions to school immunization requirements and associations with geographic clustering of pertussis.

    JAMA. 2000 Dec 27;284(24):3145-50.
    Individual and community risks of measles and pertussis associated with personal exemptions to immunization.

    Reduce the fear, get the Tdap and encourage other adults to do the same.

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  188. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    A parent, what is you plan to protect babies from pertussis? If Jiri won’t answer, perhaps you should come with a plan and the scientific evidence that it works.

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  189. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Oops, a closer read shows this is not the same person who posted with the same ‘nym earlier! Sorry.

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  190. A Parent
    June 17, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Chris: With the pertussis vaccine. Isn’t that obvious? Jiri has convinced me.

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  191. Another Parent
    June 17, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Oops. Just call me “Another Parent”

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  192. Lara Lohne
    June 17, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    You have made that quiet clear, and yet, the constitution protects our right to vaccinate and protect ourselves, our children and our community just as it protects your right not to. The difference between what we believe and what you believe is that we care about you and what you believe. That is because what you believe is dangerous to everyone, so we must be sure that we help those who are hesitant about vaccines realize the science and data tell everything that needs to be known about vaccines and the diseases they prevent. See, what we believe protects you as well as us, so that would mean we show much more compassion for those who believe other then us then you do. We allow you to partake of the herd immunity we have created, even though your own beliefs and practices compromise that herd immunity. Another difference, we are a lot less rude and condescending about our facts disagreeing with your belief. You are perfectly free to believe what you wish, we are also free to show where what you believe is wrong and dangerous and will compromise public health and safety, especially that of newborns not yet old enough to be vaccinated.

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  193. Carter's Mom
    June 17, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    That was very well said !

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  194. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    🙂

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  195. Th1Th2
    June 17, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Sometimes I wonder if Chris knows that pertussis vaccines do not protect against infection.

    h_ttp://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/6/5/00-0512_article.htm

    Well, of course not, Chris is an infection promoter.

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  196. lilady
    June 17, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Thingy…give it up. Everyone knows that you are insane, that you cycle in and out of custodial care, that your are a pathological liar…claiming credentials as a registered nurse.

    You really need to get professional help and get off the dole with some anti-psychotic medication to ameliorate your germ phobia and your hatred of little kids.

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  198. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    The DTaP Vaccine: What the Manufacturer’s Insert Tells Us

    Alisa Elizabeth King Terry, Yahoo! Contributor Network
    May 3, 2007 “Share your voice on Yahoo! websites. Start Here.”
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    The Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis vaccine, or DTaP, is among the recommended vaccines given to young infants in the United States beginning at 2 months old.
    This vaccine is one of the more controversial because, despite a 95% vaccine rate, pertussis (whooping cough) is still very prevalent. The effectiveness of the pertussis vaccine is estimated at anywhere from 94% to as low as 63%, depending on who you ask. It is difficult to determine because most doctors will not diagnose whooping cough as actually being whooping cough, so legitimate cases go unreported. The Centers for Disease Control estimate that whooping cough cases may be 20 times higher than reported.

    Changes To The DPT VaccineThe most common form of this vaccine used to be the DPT, but because of so many reported and documented cases of injury resulting from the pertussis portion, the vaccine is now manufactured with an acellular version, hence the “a” in DTaP. A recent study that compares the two versions can be found in the August 2004 issue of Brain Development.

    The Package InsertIt is increasingly difficult for parents to make an informed choice regarding vaccinations because of such factors as an inability to determine their true effectiveness, common misconceptions about vaccine-preventable diseases, and the growing list of children who may have been severely injured or even killed by vaccines. One place parents often forget to look is in the package inserts themselves.

    Package inserts are documents included by the manufacturer of a vaccine or drug that contains such information as what it is, its intended use, contraindications (circumstances under which the vaccine or drug should not be used) and potential side effects.

    INFANRIX by GlaxoSmithKline
    One brand of DTaP vaccine is INFANRIX. The package insert provided by GlaxoSmithKline can be viewed by clicking here.

    Manufactured with Casein, a Milk Protein
    One of the first important things to note on the DTaP package insert is that portions of the vaccine are cultivated with casein, or milk protein. Cow milk protein is a common infant and child allergen. Any child suspected of having or diagnosed with a dairy allergy should NOT receive this vaccine. This critical information is mysteriously missing from the CDC’s DTaP Vaccine Information Statement (VIS), which doctors are required by law to give to parents at the time the vaccine is administered.

    Formaldehyde in the DTaP
    Formaldehyde is a common ingredient in vaccines and is specifically listed here as the ingredient used to detoxify the vaccine. It has been argued that the amount is too small to be of an significant risk to recipients of the vaccine. It is used in several different industries as a fungicide, germicide, disinfectant, and preservative.

    Formaldehyde is frequently used in construction materials and off-gases over time, making it one of the most common indoor pollutants. According to the National Cancer Institute, “Cancer and as a probable human carcinogen by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Research studies of workers exposed to formaldehyde have suggested an association between formaldehyde exposure and cancers of the nasal sinuses, nasopharynx, and brain, and possibly leukemia.”

    The NCI also lists the health effects of low level exposure as “watery eyes; burning sensations of the eyes, nose, and throat; coughing; wheezing; nausea; and skin irritation. Some people are very sensitive to formaldehyde, while others have no reaction to the same level of exposure.”

    The Manufacturer’s Studies on Efficacy
    GlaxoSmithKline lists studies that determine how effective their DTaP vaccine is at preventing pertussis as defined by the World Health Organization. These two studies concluded that the DTaP vaccine is 84% and 78% effective, respectively. Studies on the vaccine’s effectiveness against diphtheria and tetanus are strangely missing from the package insert.

    Why The Exclusion of Youth and Adults?
    The DTaP package insert specifically states that INFANRIX should not be given to anyone over the age of 7. An explanation is not given. A review of the package inserts of other brands of DTaP, including older DTP vaccines, reveals the same warning, also without explanation.

    DTaP Warnings and Contraindications
    The DTaP package insert warns that the vaccine should not be given if the recipient experiences any of the following with a previous dose:

    -Encephalopathy such as coma, seizures, or loss of consciousness

    -Progressive neurological disorder, such as spasms or epilepsy

    -Guillain-Barre syndrome within 6 weeks of the prior dose (The National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke define Guillain-Barre Syndrome as “a disorder in which the body’s immune system attacks part of the peripheral nervous system. The first symptoms of this disorder include varying degrees of weakness or tingling sensations in the legs. In many instances, the weakness and abnormal sensations spread to the arms and upper body. These symptoms can increase in intensity until the muscles cannot be used at all and the patient is almost totally paralyzed. In these cases, the disorder is life-threatening and is considered a medical emergency.”

    -Temperature above 105 degrees within 48 hours

    -Collapse or a shock-like state within 48 hours

    -Persistent, inconsolable crying lasting longer than 3 hours and occurring within 48 hours

    Contraindications, or circumstances which mean that an individual should not receive the DTaP vaccine, include the following:

    -Latex sensitivity or allergy (parts of the syringe contain latex)

    -Moderate to severe illness, with or without a fever

    -Bleeding disorders such as hemophilia

    Not Evaluated For Cancer-Causing Potential
    The DTaP vaccine package insert specifically states that “INFARIX has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or for impairment of fertility.” This means no one knows if the DTaP vaccine causes cancer or interferes with fertility, and that no study has been conducted to try and find out.

    Additional Side Effects/Adverse Reactions To The DTaP Vaccine
    The following conditions are listed as adverse reactions on the DTaP vaccine package insert. The manufacturer includes many qualifiers, including that some of these reactions are voluntarily reported and so they can neither prove nor disprove that the vaccine actually caused them.

    Redness
    Swelling
    Pain
    Fever
    Fussiness
    Drowsiness
    Poor Appetite
    Vomiting
    Persistent crying
    Seizures
    Hives
    Swelling of the Mouth
    Difficulty breathing
    Hypotension
    Shock
    Brachial neuritis
    Guillain-Barre Syndrome
    Sudden Infant Death Syndrome
    Cyanosis
    Diarrhea
    Intussusception
    Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura
    Lymphadenopathy
    Thrombocytopenia
    Anaphylactic reaction
    Hypersensitivity
    Cellulitis
    Limb swelling
    Convulsions
    Encephalopathy
    Hypotonia
    Hypotonic-hyporesponsive episode
    Somnolence
    Irritability
    Respiratory Tract Infection
    Erythema
    Pruritus
    Rash
    Urticaria
    Ear pain

    The Potential Connection To Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)
    The DTaP package insert includes mention that there is some concern that the DTaP vaccine is a cause of SIDS, since the vaccine is administered beginning at 2 months of age, and the highest rates of SIDS occur between 2 months and 4 months of age. The manufacturer is quick to include astudy disputing this claim. Various reputable research studies disagree on the connection, so further research is needed to determine causality.

    For More Information
    Interested individuals should consider visiting the government’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System website for more information on the kinds of adverse reactions are being reported about the DTaP vaccine, and how often, keeping in mind that the government estimates that only 10% of reactions are actually reported, so the actual numbers are much higher.

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  199. Kelly
    June 17, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Jiri, your link describes that a fraudulent lab was busted by the FDA and that any drug company using those results will have repeat the them.

    For the moment, the FDA says it is “unlikely” these “data integrity” failures willl (sic) affect the safety and efficacy of drugs on the market and there is no evidence of any problems.

    Furthermore, this lab was not testing vaccines.

    Major reading comprehension fail, Jiri. You know you are misinformed when your own citation disproves your point.

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  200. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    You should’ve read the entire article, one line in their gave a statement talking recent ages and then stated, DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK? That’s a relevant point

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  201. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Jiri:

    Alisa Elizabeth King Terry, Yahoo

    Yahoo is not a PubMed indexed journal.

    What is your plan to protect babies from pertussis? Please show that this plan actually works by providing the title, journal and date of the PubMed indexed papers supporting your plan.

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  202. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    It is still credible

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  203. Lara Lohne
    June 17, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    I read the whole article. I saw no mention anywhere of vaccines, the current topic of discussion. If you were attempting to make a point regarding vaccines you missed the bulls eye, target and backboard completely and your arrow has been lost in the woods somewhere.

    On the second bit of drivel you copy/pasted… Yahoo? Really? Since when has Yahoo become peer reviewed medical or science journal? It is nothing more then a news report or possibly even just an editorial piece, and just like most other news sources, media are not after truth, they are after sensationalism to get reads/viewers, get awards and stir up controversy, even where there isn’t any, because it will give them something to entertain their readers/viewers with for a while.

    Double fail, but please, feel free to try again. It’s quite entertaining watching you try to come up with something plausible to support your claim (again, I’m still not clear on what that is regarding the topic of this post.)

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  204. Kelly
    June 17, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Manufactured with Casein, a Milk Protein
    One of the first important things to note on the DTaP package insert is that portions of the vaccine are cultivated with casein, or milk protein. Cow milk protein is a common infant and child allergen. Any child suspected of having or diagnosed with a dairy allergy should NOT receive this vaccine. This critical information is mysteriously missing from the CDC’s DTaP Vaccine Information Statement (VIS), which doctors are required by law to give to parents at the time the vaccine is administered.

    Jiri, the casein is used in the medium to grow the bacteria that produce the toxin, that is purified and inactivated to produce the vaccine. The warning about milk allergy isn’t “mysteriously missing”. It’s not there because it is not a risk. The person writing this information is misinformed.

    What is mysteriously missing is how the author neglects to tell people that the body makes 10X more formaldehyde than what’s in the vaccine on a daily basis. She glosses over the fact that the amount is too small to be significant and instead includes a much of irrelevant material with the purpose of creating fear.

    “INFARIX has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or for impairment of fertility.” This means no one knows if the DTaP vaccine causes cancer or interferes with fertility, and that no study has been conducted to try and find out.

    Uh no. It means that because the ingredients are so unlikely to be carcinogenic or mutagenic from previous testing that the FDA does not require this type of testing.

    Interested individuals should consider visiting the government’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System website for more information on the kinds of adverse reactions are being reported about the DTaP vaccine, and how often, keeping in mind that the government estimates that only 10% of reactions are actually reported, so the actual numbers are much higher.

    More misinformation. VAERS is a passive reporting system. The reports can be made by anyone and do not indicate causality. Furthermore, the 10% number is completely fabricated. The government doesn’t estimate this as this is not the purpose of VAERS. The author “estimates” (aka completely lies about) this because it suits her agenda.

    Is this what constitutes the type of “research” you have been doing for the past 18 years? No wonder you are so confused. Garbage in = garbage out, Jiri.

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  205. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    It is clear, no matter what information or statement I make, you have no intention of objective ess with the information, you can’t say anything without placing emphasis on the so called cited source. Again, show me who has funded the medical pieces you are touting. You refuse.

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  206. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    But it fails to answer the two questions that you have been asked:

    1. What is your plan to protect babies from pertussis.

    2. What are the relative risks between DTaP, Tdap and the actual diseases, diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis.

    Please provide verifiable evidence to support yours in the form of title, journal and date of PubMed indexed journals. Do not post things that have stretch science by making scary claims (because your body’s cells produce more formaldehyde than is in any vaccine).

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  207. Kelly
    June 17, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    You should’ve read the entire article, one line in their gave a statement talking recent ages and then stated, DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK? That’s a relevant point

    I read the whole article, more than once. There is nothing like you have paraphrased in that article, Jiri. Perhaps you should quote the line that you think makes your point?

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  208. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Jiri:

    Again, show me who has funded the medical pieces you are touting. You refuse.

    Perhaps you should try reading them. They are often posted in the actual article. Like this one:

    Gangarosa International Health Foundation and Rollins School of Public Health, Emory University, Atlanta, GA, USA (Prof E J Gangarosa MD); World Health Organization, Geneva, Switzerland (Prof A M Galazka MD); Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Georgia (GA), USA (C R Wolfe BA, R T Chen MD, L M Phillips MPH); and PHLS Communicable Disease Surveillance Centre, London, UK (E Miller FRCPath)

    Three separate public health agencies and a non-profit private family foundation. You have lots of gall asking for details when you do not provided any proper cites, and have not even bothered to read the ones that have been provided.

    Now what is your scientifically proven plan to protect babies from pertussis?

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  209. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    I will protect them by NEVER injecting sludge into their bodies. There is no hope for your mindset.

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  210. Kelly
    June 17, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    I will protect them by NEVER injecting sludge into their bodies. There is no hope for your mindset.

    Good for you. We have something in common, as I would never inject sludge into their bodies either.

    Back to the topic of the blog…Vaccines don’t contain “sludge”. Your lack of comprehension of vaccine ingredients is astounding for someone who claims to have “researched” vaccines. My guess is you are lying about actually having done research, or you don’t really know what research is. You clearly lack reading comprehension and critical thinking skills which would negate any effort you have tried to put into understanding vaccines.

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  211. Chris
    June 17, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Jiri:

    I will protect them by NEVER injecting sludge into their bodies.

    No one injects sludge in babies. Are you just saying that we let babies die from pertussis?

    What is your scientifically proven way to protect babies from pertussis? Provide supporting documentation by listing the title, journal and dates of the PubMed indexed papers where the procedure is actually discussed with data.

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  212. Th1Th2
    June 17, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    I will protect them by NEVER injecting sludge into their bodies.

    Vaccinators are more than just being sludge promoters.

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  213. lilady
    June 17, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    Jiri…That long post above, which you report is the “Vaccine Insert” is copy pasta from this site:

    http://www.cafemom.com/journals/read/1063014/The_DTap_Vaccine_What_the_Manufacturer_s_Insert_Tells_Us

    Liar.

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  214. lilady
    June 17, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Just ignore insane troll. It is a liar that claims to be a registered nurse. It is ignorant, germ phobic and a disease promoting child hater. It needs “terminal disinfection”.

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  215. Jiri
    June 17, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    It is not a lie! Your pattern of refuting everything that is contrary to you view. What your doing is acting as an authority to push people into a false sense of protection without examining both sides of the argument! There are risks with the tdap and there are risks to every single vaccinatin. Vaccines are not improving the health of our panet! You really need to view both sides of the arguments

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  216. Kelly
    June 18, 2012 at 12:00 am

    I have examined your side of the argument, Jiri and found it to be based on misinformation, misconception and logical fallacies. I have dismissed it for those reasons.

    Why should I consider your position seriously when you can’t even find evidence to support your claim? Should I just do what you say instead of thinking for myself?

    The risks of any vaccine are much, much less than the risk of not vaccinating, which is why vaccinating is the much, much better choice. You are the one that is not looking at the other side of the argument because you don’t understand the science behind it. Instead you have retreated to a fantasy world based on belief in a fictional character that you think will save your children. Surely you can see why a rational person would not follow your lead? Faith-based beliefs, lack of supporting evidence, misinformation, misconception and logical fallacy are just not good enough when it comes to the health of my family.

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  219. Kelly
    June 18, 2012 at 12:48 am

    Vaccines don’t cause autism, Jiri.

    That whole paper is just a big “post hoc ergo propter hoc” logical fallacy.

    Like I said, I don’t jeopardize my child’s health based on faulty logic. If you want to make that kind of mistake, go ahead.

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  220. Jiri
    June 18, 2012 at 12:50 am
  221. Kelly
    June 18, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Here is a more detailed analysis about why the paper Jiri posted in bogus.

    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/the-jenny-and-jim-antivaccine-propaganda-tour-has-begun/

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  222. Chris
    June 18, 2012 at 12:56 am

    Again, none of those sites are indexed on PubMed.

    Why don’t you understand that we will only take primary sources and not biased anti-vax sites?

    Jiri, what is you plan to keep babies safe from pertussis? Please post the title, journal and dates of the PubMed indexed papers that show that plan actually works in a population.

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  223. Jiri
    June 18, 2012 at 1:03 am

    PubMed is not God! Can you cite anything else to support your argument without using PubMed?

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  224. Jiri
    June 18, 2012 at 1:03 am
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  226. Chris
    June 18, 2012 at 1:07 am

    PubMed indexed articles have a higher probability of having actual science, and being peer reviewed. It is not perfect, but it is better than websites that muck up that data and actually lie.

    Answer the question.

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  227. Jiri
    June 18, 2012 at 1:15 am

    The most recent links I posted, are scientific. Credited, and based on sound research by persons not affiliated with any profit. You have got to stop attacking the information, who funds PubMed? It is relevant

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  228. Chris
    June 18, 2012 at 1:19 am

    Now explain in your own words what those numbers mean.

    Again, that website is not a PubMed indexed scientific paper. Who writes it and what is their educational background? Because the page is full of nonsense. Why should we believe it when it says “Mercury is used in the dead viral vaccines to count the germ particles.” Which vaccines are those? Which pediatric vaccines are only available with thimerosal? It is outdated because there is now a pertussis vaccine for adults (the Tdap). There are no references, so why should we believe it?

    Jiri, what is your plan to protect babies from pertussis? Please post the title, journal and date of the PubMed indexed papers to show that the plan works in a population. No more random websties.

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  229. Jiri
    June 18, 2012 at 1:26 am

    You shouldn’t! Keep yourself ignorant. Only read PubMed! Very narrow minded! You prove you live in denial, are hateful and the worst kind of false skeptic.

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  230. Chris
    June 18, 2012 at 1:27 am

    Jiri:

    Credited, and based on sound research by persons not affiliated with any profit.

    Not really, especially for the one associated with John Stone and Clifford Miller.

    The web address for Pubmed is http://www.pubmed.gov . It is obvious you have never been to that site, know what the word “index” means or what webistes end in “.gov.” Why should we care about what you say when you cannot even do even the simplest checks yourself?

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  231. Chris
    June 18, 2012 at 1:31 am

    I also read books, and understand science. PubMed is not a website of articles, it is an index of scientific journals managed through the US National Library of Medicine which is part of the National Institutes of Health.

    It is a library. Perhaps you should become familiar with your own library.

    Jiri, what is your plan to protect babies from pertussis? Please post the title, journal and date of the PubMed indexed papers to show that the plan works in a population. No more random websties.

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  232. Jiri
    June 18, 2012 at 1:36 am

    [EDITOR’S NOTE: This comment has been removed because of vulgar and abusive language.]

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  233. Jiri
    June 18, 2012 at 1:41 am
  234. Chris
    June 18, 2012 at 1:42 am

    That search brings up exactly one paper:

    Med Hypotheses. 2009 Feb;72(2):135-9. Epub 2008 Nov 11.
    A role for the body burden of aluminium in vaccine-associated macrophagic myofasciitis and chronic fatigue syndrome.

    As I said, the index is not perfect. If you want to know why get a dictionary and look up the word “hypotheses.” That is a journal with no peer review. All you have to do is write a paper and pay them to publish it.

    You should also look up the meaning of the word “whining.” I am curious how asking you to actually support your assertions with real scientific evidence is “whining.”

    Jiri, what is your plan to protect babies from pertussis? Please show that plan works by posting the title, journal and date of the PubMed indexed paper that shows that plan will work in a population.

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  235. Chris
    June 18, 2012 at 1:44 am

    One case report is not a full dataset. And the symptom was a “sore arm.”

    Again, PubMed is not perfect.

    Jiri,what is your plan to protect babies from pertussis. Please support that plan with real scientific data, and by that I mean more than one person.

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  236. Jiri
    June 18, 2012 at 1:47 am

    So, YOU get to decide what is credible from PubMed. Your flipping ridiculous. I used the only thing you would accept, and come to find out, because it is not what you agree with, you minimize and dismiss it so arrogantly. You are a social nothing who genuinely cares nothing about truth, you just want to be right.
    I never cared WHAT The truth was, I just wanted the truth. I can live with that, you seem to have an agenda. I’m done with you, so don’t waste your time

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  237. lilady
    June 18, 2012 at 1:53 am

    Jiri: The two websites you linked to are replete with errors. They are run by unknown entities and have as their “heroes” all the luminaries of the anti-vaccine movement…including the disgraced and delicensed Andrew Wakefield (he is listed as one those “heroes”)

    I “prefer” my heroes to be doctors who haven’t lost their license due to fraudulent research, who don’t have conflicts of interest, and who haven’t had all their “research” and all their theories thoroughly debunked as junk science.

    Why don’t you crawl back into the rabbit hole now, troll. You have no more sockies to defend your inanities.

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  238. lilady
    June 18, 2012 at 1:55 am

    What Chris has said…repeatedly. Where are your citations from PubMed?

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  239. Jiri
    June 18, 2012 at 2:02 am

    [Editor’s Note: This comment has been removed because of vulgar and abusive language, as well as personal attacks.]

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  240. lilady
    June 18, 2012 at 2:48 am

    Keep it classy, nice Christian lady. Is that how you talk to your children and your husband. Why not try out that phrase on your pastor and your fellow parishioners…better yet, the other military wives?

    Are you really…finally…flouncing off now? Or can we expect you to return with other language-mangling, nosensical, citationless pseudoscience and more filth from your potty mouth?

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  241. Quokka
    June 18, 2012 at 4:59 am

    Thank you Lara, lilady, kelly, Chris and Carter’s mom,
    I have read this thread from top to bottom and you have all kept your tempers, contnued to try and educate not only about the science but how to understand the science.

    You have respectfully shared your own experiences with the diseases you are trying to protect others against even though you have been assaulted by some particularly vile commenters.

    I visit this site regularly and recommend it to others (I work with families of children with disabilities who are wanting reliable credible information) and don’t think I say often enough to those in the trenches doing the hard work day to day that you are respected and valued for the work you do.

    Please don’t let individuals like Jari, Kiri or whatever that name was slow you down.

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  242. Lawrence
    June 18, 2012 at 5:36 am

    @et.al – again, I admire your diligence in fighting against Jiri’s obscenity-laced screeds. For someone who claims to be “godly” she certainly has one heck of a easy time hurling insults.

    That she can be so willfully ignorant of scientific facts & basic medical knowledge is a sad statement regarding our educational system.

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  243. Kelly
    June 18, 2012 at 9:08 am

    The first step is to use PubMed to find the papers. The next step is to read and understand the papers. The third step is to integrate the papers to create a whole representing our current understanding.

    A paper publishing a hypothesis with no data supporting it does not trump the hundreds of studies and decades of use that demonstrate the safety of aluminum adjuvants.

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  244. novalox
    June 18, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Stay classy and “christian”, jiri, stay classy.

    As an aside, I found jiri’s post to be entertaining, if just for jiri’s arrogance of ignorance and classic Dunning-Kreuger.

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  245. Chris
    June 18, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Jiri, what is your plan to protect babies from pertussis?

    Please provide scientific citations from reputable researchers have shown that the plan you propose has worked in a population by listing the title, journal and dates of those PubMed indexed papers. Thank you.

    Because if are a godly woman it should cause a great deal of pain in your heart when any tiny child suffers so much with pertussis.

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  246. lilady
    June 19, 2012 at 12:59 am

    @Quokka: People like you inspire us to do our best to dispel all the misinformation that is “out there”.

    May I return the compliment? As you probably are aware I had a very disabled son…and many of the “regulars” here have children with a variety of disabilities. We all appreciate the dedication, the love and the patience that individuals who work with our children, possess. For that fact alone you have my undying gratitude.

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  247. Lara Lohne
    June 19, 2012 at 2:01 am

    I echo lilady’s sentiments. If not for those who work with the disabled and developmentally delayed, I don’t think my son would be eligible to attend a main stream elementary school in a kindergarten class with neurotypical peers. He will have special supports and aides in place and I am nervous of how other children may treat him or react to him as he still has trouble with proper greeting of others, preferring to get in their faces and yell, “BEEE BEEE BEEE!” which I don’t know what that is. But when he is reminded to say hi and tell people his name, he does so and makes a new friend. My hat is off to you and all those others of your profession that make life for my son much happier and much less lonely.

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  248. Quokka
    June 19, 2012 at 2:32 am

    Thanks guys. I am a registered psychologist and special education teacher and work specifically in the school system setting up IEPs, information technology, professional learning for teachers and aides, organising building modification (our schools are pretty old!)and I think mostly as an interpreter for kids and their families about how to navigate the complex systems we have here just to make sure there is a safe and supportive environment ready for kids with disability to get an education on the same basis in their local school with peers and siblings.

    I know it is nerve wracking Lara but I promise the kids will see him as a class member first and foremost – they often are amazed at the fuss all the adults make about stuff – after all he is just another kid who comes to our school.

    Every time I meet a new family and see the glazed, exhausted look on their faces as they brace themselves for the next battle I know we still have a lot of work to do – but – I really believe that kids with disabilities have so much more to contribute to society than they are being allowed to so far. So heads up, shoulders back and once more into the breach!

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  249. lilady
    June 19, 2012 at 3:11 am

    That’s great news Lara. I wishing you and your son a wonderful school year.

    (Way) back in the day (late 1970s-early 1980s) I served on my district’s “Committee on the Handicapped” as the designated “parent advocate”. Entry into kindergarden, was the first contact that most parents had with the school district. “Early Intervention” programs were not in existence and parents had to petition family court for early intervention/preschool programs.

    I remember when I appeared at the COH meeting for the first time…I was so nervous. Parents, once I was on the Committee, would call me at home for “advice” (more like reassurance), before the scheduled IEP meetings. I have such fond memories of working with the rest of the Committee and parents. The members of the Committee knew every part of the Regulations and we applied our own “interpretations”…all for the purpose of getting kids every appropriate program, service and therapy.

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  250. ella
    August 11, 2012 at 9:19 am

    http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/human-fetal-links-some-vaccines

    This is a link to a scientific article about the need to use cells from aborted fetuses to culture vaccines on.

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  251. ella
    August 11, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Lillady,
    I’m surprised you should taunt posters on this website, I would have hoped you’d be classier. Dr. Wakefield’s insurance wouldn’t pay for for him to sue the GMC at the same time as his colleagues on the Lancet paper Drs. Walker-Smith and Murch did, but they won. Judge Mitting restored their licenses in March, and rebuked the GMC for having used shallow reasoning to reach false conclusions. He said there had been NO FRAUD involved in the Lancet study, which brought to public attention the fact that all twelve of these children included in this case study had developed bowel disease within days or weeks of getting the MMR, and nine of them had developed autism as well. You would think that would be something the public has a right to know, and to consider whether it is worth getting the vaccine when there’s a fair likelihood that it will cause a lifelong disability.

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  252. ella
    August 11, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Great article about those who worship God as opposed to those who worship modern medicine: “Christianity and the (False) god of Modern Medicine,” at the Thinkingmomsrevolution.com

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  253. August 11, 2012 at 10:44 am

    @ella – wow, the falsehoods in your posts just keep adding up. So, how do you explain Walker-Smith throwing Wakefield under the bus during this appeal? He successfully claimed that he was only treating the children, not part of “a research study.” His lawyer also told the judge the the MMR / Autism link was “settled science” and not true.

    The Judge also said no such thing involving the Science of the Lancet Study, just that the GMC has provided inadequate written documentation to justify their decision. The case had nothing to do with the fraud in the study, just the amount of involvement of Walker-Smith.

    We’ve also shown actual written statements from the father of one of the Lancet children that directly contradicts Wakefield’s research documentation & subsequent statements.

    Also, why exactly has Wakefield refused to follow-up on his research? He was given the opportunity to do a larger study in the UK after the original publication of his paper – so why didn’t he?

    Why has no other reputable research group ever replicated Wakefield’s results? If they are an obvious as the anti-vaccine crowd believes, why have no follow-up studies shown the same results?

    Also, don’t try to say that people are afraid, because years went by between the time the Lancet study was published and its ultimate retraction – during that time, why didn’t any of the follow-up work show what Wakefield said he found?

    Why does Wakefield continue to deny COI when it has been proven that he was working on his own alternate vaccine and received a large sum of money from a litigator that was suing the vaccine manufacturers at the exact same time?

    Seriously, you guys need to get better materials – this stuff was all debunked years ago, yet you still keep bringing it up. Wakefield is a fraud, a proven fraud even. His only interest in autism is for the amount of money he can continue to scam from parents – I mean, why did he file a kamikaze lawsuit in TX against people in the UK, when any decent lawyer could have told you that jurisdiction was going to be denied? Maybe so he could continue to play the victim?

    If he wants to try to clear himself – suing for libel is stupid, since the GMC decision will still stand, he’s still a proven fraud, and still stricken off & not a doctor anymore….he could have appealed, like Walker-Smith did, why didn’t he? Don’t claim he didn’t have the money, since he seems to be bankrolled for everything else.

    Guys, get a new idol – this one is done – and he did it to himself.

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  254. August 11, 2012 at 11:53 am

    ella :
    He said there had been NO FRAUD involved in the Lancet study, which brought to public attention the fact that all twelve of these children included in this case study had developed bowel disease within days or weeks of getting the MMR, and nine of them had developed autism as well.

    Elle,

    First, there were 12 children, all of them had autism, but only 8 of them had any bowel issues.

    Second, there was at least one parent of these 12 that said no, certain symptoms of autism and/or bowel disease appeared prior to the MMR shot being received, thus by proving the claims made by Wakefield had been fabricated or altered to suit his needs.

    Third, no court judge can make any ruling on scientific data because their authority has no power in the realms of scientific study. He never claimed nor ruled there was no fraud, simply that Walker Smith was duped into believing he was ‘treating’ the children and not participating in a research study and that was his argument for why he shouldn’t have had his license to practice revoked. The judge believed him, that he didn’t know he was participating in a research study (so in effect Wakefield lied to him from the beginning and led him to believe the lumbar punctures and colonoscopies, etc. were treatment). If you are seriously going to try and use these as weapons in your arsenal, you should at least know what the details are before you try. I’d recommend reading the actual papers, documents and not just articles posted at AoA.

    Not all people with autism have bowel disease and hundreds of children with autism never received the MMR shot until well after obvious signs began to manifest. My son is a very good example of this; showed signs prior to vaccination and doesn’t have bowel disease. I also know of another mother with a child who has autism and manifested prior to vaccination who does have bowel disease, so she has him on a special diet.

    If you haven’t been the parent of a child with autism or any other special needs, you really should shut up about things you don’t know anything about. I have read the information claimed by Wakefield and every other bit of information that has been brought to light since then. From your ignorant statements it is obvious you cannot say the same thing.

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  255. Thomas
    August 11, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    ella : Judge Mitting restored their licenses in March, and rebuked the GMC for having used shallow reasoning to reach false conclusions. He said there had been NO FRAUD involved in the Lancet study, which brought to public attention the fact that all twelve of these children included in this case study had developed bowel disease within days or weeks of getting the MMR, and nine of them had developed autism as well.

    In the real world, Judge Mitting wrote that “There is now no respectable body of opinion which supports his hypothesis, that MMR vaccine and autism/enterocolitis are causally linked.”

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  256. Sammy
    August 11, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    This is worth looking into…

    Aug 7, 2012 by MARCO TORRES

    Scientists Without Foresight Are Using Viruses To Alter Human DNA…

    Most people consider viruses as living things the can reproduce on their own to spread and infect their hosts. The fact is, viruses are neither alive nor can they reproduce like other living organisms. Many have even theorized that viruses are some of the most deadly man-made biological machines. So, if viruses are so deadly and infectious can they seriously be used to cure disease? Surprisingly, scientists are now committed to this deranged reality. The use of viruses to deliver new DNA to human cells is being investigated as part of what researchers claim are novel gene therapy techniques.
    Several popular blockbusters, including I Am Legend and Rise of the Planet of the Apes, have envisioned the use of viruses, rigged to deliver therapeutic DNA to patients as a way of curing disease. In these films the scientists using these techniques are ecstatic when they discover that they’ve been successful, but their joy quickly turns to horror as the virus mutates out of control and begins to destroy the human population. This is undoubtedly a nightmare scenario, but how close do these films come to the truth? Can viruses, commonly known to cause disease, actually be used as a cure? How likely is it that they will mutate out of control and destroy the world? If this is the case, then why are they being used at all?
    Viruses are responsible for a range of diseases, including the common cold, influenza, HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus) and Ebola. The sole selfish function of a virus is to infect a host (e.g. a human) then use this host to make more copies of its own DNA. It does this by entering a host cell and hijacking its DNA-making machinery, forcing it to make more viral DNA. However, it doesn’t stop there. Once the host cell has made sufficient viral DNA the virus then commandeers the host cell’s other machinery to create more intact viruses which “bud off” from the infected cell ready to infect its neighbours.
    Viruses Cannot Use Their Genetic Material By Themselves
    Viruses do have DNA or RNA, and DNA is the code for life. Having genetic material is an important step towards being classified as alive. DNA controls the evolution of the cell and the organism. Like living things, viruses evolve through time and thus can adapt to their environment. But unlike cells, viruses cannot use their genetic material by themselves. Living matter reproduces and passes on genetic material as a blueprint for growth and subsequent reproduction. However, viruses need a living cell in order to function and reproduce; otherwise they are playing dead.
    Viruses Cannot Divide or Reproduce Themselves Without a Host Cell
    Because viruses are not cells, they can’t divide by binary fission like bacteria. Yet they do reproduce themselves in an extraordinary way. Their structure enables viruses to attack a plant or animal cell called a host cell. The protein shell protecting the virus’ DNA is covered with spikelike protrusions. These spikes allow the virus to latch onto the cells they infect. Once hooked on, the virus injects its genetic material into the host cell.
    The virus’ DNA takes control of the cell once it’s within the cytoplasm and begins to make the cell produce virus DNA and other parts of viruses. The host cell is forced to expend all of its energy and resources to help the virus replicate and make hundreds more viruses. The poor, weak cell usually bursts like an overinflated balloon from all the viruses and is destroyed in the process. Then, the replicated virus attaches itself to a new, unaffected host cell, and the viral infection continues.
    Viruses Do Not Produce or Utilize Their Own Energy
    Living things do more than just reproduce. They also must obtain food to fuel the cell’s metabolic activity. Some organisms, such as animals, eat other living things for energy. Other organisms, such as plants, harness the Sun’s energy to make their own food. Because viruses aren’t cells and have no activity within it, it has no need for food. However, the virus-controlled host cell needs material and energy to reproduce the viruses.
    Viruses Do Not Grow
    All other living things also grow or get bigger. A virus does nothing inside its protein coat; therefore it does not grow.
    Viruses Cannot Move Themselves
    Plants and animals react to the environment. All living things have ways of sensing the world around them and can respond to changes in their environment. Homeostasis is the property of an open system, especially living organisms, to regulate its internal environment so as to maintain a stable condition. Do viruses react? Viruses cannot move themselves, viruses can react to some changes in their environment but they have a very minimalistic internal environment.
    Remember, the virus’ DNA or RNA can evolve over time, thereby increasing its chances for survival and adapting to the environment. Like bacteria, they adapt through genetic mutations caused by rapid reproduction. That is why it is so hard to cure viral diseases. Viruses keep changing their DNA and protein coat to further their “life form” and keep ahead of the game.
    Therefore, since a virus does not meet most of the requirements considered to be a living thing, a virus is not alive.
    Vaccines are also causing an unprecedented number of mutations creating superbugs and potent viruses and bacteria that may eventually threaten future generations and humanity itself. Evidence continues to mount from the scientific community who now admit that certain vaccines are in-fact causing both viral and bacterial mutations. Ironically, the same researchers assert that “better” vaccines are needed to offset the rise in persistent mutations.
    Viruses are being investigated as carriers or ‘vectors’ for delivery of new undamaged DNA to swap for what scientists claim is damaged DNA caused by genetic mutations. The problem is, there are only a small number of recognised genetic mutations that this type of therapy could even theoretically help. Therefore, the idea of a single gene therapy functioning as a cure for Alzheimer’s or all known cancers, as seen in the movies, is purely fictitious!
    Viruses which are currently being investigated for use in gene therapy include;adenovirus (responsible for the common cold), retrovirus (HIV is a retrovirus) and Herpes Simplex virus (as the name suggests, is responsible for herpes infections and also cold sores). Part of the appeal of using viruses in gene therapy is that they may be used to target DNA to specific cell types. This can be achieved by manufacturing viruses which can recognise and infect only certain types of cell. This means that “innocent” cells can be targeted in theory.
    In the films, the therapeutic virus mutates back to its virulent form, or an even more virulent one. It then spreads a fatal disease throughout the population, causing a global catastrophe. One of the concerns about using viruses for gene therapy is that this nightmare scenario might come true. This possibility is currently under intensive study within controlled research environments. Although current research has found that recombination and a return to virulence may be possible for certain viruses, this may not be the case for all viral vectors used in gene therapy. However, if this technology is proven to pose a real risk then such research will likely be discontinued.
    There are also other problems with using viruses as DNA carriers. The introduction of any foreign material into the body is likely to produce an immune response. The surface of the viral-coat is not smooth, it actually expresses a number of extruding proteins which may be recognised by a patient’s immune system. This means that the host’s immune system may recognise the foreign body and attempt to dispose of it. Strong immune responses can be fatal, especially in someone already weakened by a genetic disease. This problem could, in theory, be circumvented by removing proteins and other foreign bodies from the outside of the virus to lessen the chances of it being recognised as a foreign object.
    Currently, gene therapy using viral vectors is not approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) since concerns have arisen surrounding the deaths of two patients participating in gene therapy trials. One died of a severe immune response to the viral carrier. The other appeared to develop leukaemia, leading to fears that viral vectors may cause cancer.
    Man-made viruses
    Many of the viruses circulating the earth are now man-made.
    AIDS
    The international nonprofit scientific organization Rethinking AIDS gave its full support early last year to 37 senior researchers, medical doctors and legal professionals who requested that the medical journal Science withdraw four seminal papers on HIV authored by Dr. Robert Gallo–papers widely touted as proof that HIV is the “probable cause of AIDS.” Read HIV Does Not Cause Aids
    “With new findings that undermine the scientific integrity and veracity of Gallo’s four papers, the entire basis of the theory that HIV causes AIDS may now be questioned,” says Rethinking AIDS president David Crowe.
    The most highly respected scientists and academicians debated the possibility that HIV-1, the most widespread and deadly human AIDS virus, evolved from accidental vaccine contaminations and subsequent transmissions to mostly African villagers.
    Documented science virtually proves, through the process of elimination and a review of the most updated evidence, the origin of HIV/AIDS as an iatrogenic (i.e. man-made) outcome of specific vaccination experiments. Read Early Hepatitis B Vaccines and the “Man-Made” Origin of HIV/AIDS.
    PANDEMIC FLU
    Investigative journalist Ida Honorof wrote, “the most brazen, obscene electioneering ploy” ever and added that it was proposed by the President “and his coterie of scientific hacks, fabricated to cause pure unadulterated panic and guarantee political capital, rammed through without consideration of people’s health and lives and approved by a band-wagon Congress” eager to make the nation’s “health” a bipartisan concern.
    The above quote was not written about the avian flu epidemic but the 5 million swine-flu vaccine program of 30 years ago. The hastily contrived program for swine flu resulted in hundreds of Guillain Barre Syndrome paralysis victims as well as countless deaths for a flu pandemic that never materialized. Read Tired Of The Bird or Avian Flu Yet? Some Experts Claim It’s A Hoax For Profit.
    Just as there was no evidence of the avian flu virus mutating to cause a pandemic, there is also no evidence of any mutagenic process involved in the H1N1 swine flu virus. Talmage Holmes, a relationship manager for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Columbus, Ohio, states that pregnant women should not have any special worries. “Pregnant women are at no greater risk than others.” says Dr. Holmes. “Until there has been mutation or re-assortment of the avian flu virus’ genetic material, the risk to all humans is very low.” Read Junk Science and Contradictions Dominate WHO Pandemic Statements and Policies
    Despite any consequences, there’s always a tremendous push by government and medical establishments to blindly vaccinate the public in the face of any outbreak of flu or disease. There is also the admission (from these same establishments) that every vaccine carries its own element of health risks. So if the intention is to protect public health by vaccinating, why is there never any intervention or policy on how to protect people from the vaccines themselves? Read The H1N1 Vaccine Is A Much Greater Risk To Your Health Than The Flu Itself and also 15 Important Reasons Why You Shouldn’t Vaccinate Your Children Against The Flu.
    In a move that can only be described as incredibly reckless, scientists at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control have been conducting experiments in which they infect ferrets with both the H1N1 swine virus and the H5N1 bird flu virus to see if they will “reassort” and create a new hybrid flu virus. Read CDC Playing With Fire: Mixing H1N1 Swine Flu and H5N1 Bird Flu To Create For Super Flu
    So how many more scientists are we going to allow play God, taking the lives of millions of people, into the hands of a few psychotic scientists with misplaced dreams of supposed cures?
    Marco Torres is a research specialist, writer and consumer advocate for healthy lifestyles. He holds degrees in Public Health and Environmental Science and is a professional speaker on topics such as disease prevention, environmental toxins and health policy.
    Sources:
    utah.edu
    scienceblog.com
    ornl.gov

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  257. Chris
    August 11, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Sammy:

    This is worth looking into…

    Not really. It is a bunch of sciencey words strung together is a silly way. Now, explain again what Mr. Torres did for his post-doc in virology.

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