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Whose “Rights” Shall Prevail in Vermont?

Last week I made the nine-hour round trip trek up to beautiful Montpelier, Vermont to testify in front of the House Committee on Healthcare.  As I made my way over the lovely mountain towns and stunning valleys en route to the hearing, I was certain that my testimony could help sway the committee to vote in favor of the Senate’s bill to eliminate “philosophical beliefs” as a reason to override Vermont laws mandating vaccination of children enrolled in licensed daycares and public schools.  With the strength of Every Child By Two’s board and cofounders behind me, and the personal stories of families whose children have suffered the consequences of vaccine preventable diseases, I made my way across the state confident that we could make a difference.

As I sat in front of the committee, the chairman made it clear that the committee had already spent the week reviewing mounds of data on exemption rates and vaccination levels, listening intently to opinions from both sides of the issue and were hoping to hear something new.

ImageWith the gauntlet laid before me, I began by explaining why our organization, a national organization based in Washington, DC, would be concerned with the public health mandates of the state of Vermont, or any other state for that matter.  Why would a former first lady and the wife of a retired Senator continue to be concerned about the vaccination policies that exist in every state to ensure the health of school-age children? I explained that our founders, Rosalynn Carter and Betty Bumpers, began their efforts to vaccinate the children of their own home states during their tenures as First Ladies of Georgia and Arkansas in the early 70s.

ImageDuring the Carter Administration Mrs. Bumpers, whose husband had since been elected to the U.S. Senate, worked side-by-side with First Lady Rosalynn Carter to establish the National Childhood Immunization Initiative with two goals: the attainment of childhood immunization levels of 90% by 1979 and establishment of a permanent system to provide comprehensive immunization services to the 3 million children born each year in the U.S.  During that time, Mrs. Carter and Bumpers were instrumental in the passage of laws mandating school-age vaccination prior to enrollment in public schools in every state. They traveled all over the country to speak to legislatures about this important issue because they knew it would save the lives of children.

As nationwide efforts by anti-vaccine groups escalate, they are often focused on informing families about the simple methods to claim a philosophical, or personal belief exemption which is concerning to Every Child By Two since this will increase the number of children that may be exposed to vaccine preventable diseases in public schools.  I explained to the committee, “Here in Vermont the seeds of doubt about vaccine safety have been sowed, and now the battle has evolved into philosophical exemption rights.  A simple search on Google brought up a direct link to one organization’s website which states ‘Not all states offer a philosophical exemption for vaccinations. However, there are 20 states that do and if you live in one of them getting the philosophical exemption for vaccines for your child is quite easy. All you have to do is complete an exemption form (sample attached) stating you are opposed to immunization of your child on philosophical grounds. It is not necessary to explain your reasoning or your philosophies regarding vaccinations.’ Unfortunately, the families that are being misinformed about the safety of vaccines are also being targeted by these same anti-vaccination organizations with exemption language.  The decision you make on this issue is critical and we urge you to support the removal of exemptions to ensure the safety of children in public schools and daycares in Vermont.”

The question at hand is whether individuals have the right to shirk the laws put in place to maintain the health of some of Vermont’s most vulnerable citizens; infants and school children.  It’s important to remember that until a child is fully vaccinated, they are not protected from vaccine preventable diseases.  Several of the families whose stories I presented to the committee had lost their children due to preventable diseases that they had contracted prior to being old enough for their vaccination series or before they had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated.  These are the children, I declared, that need protection through wide-spread vaccination.

The Metcalf family  is a perfect example of how much we depend on one another for protection.  Julieanna was 15 months old when she contracted Hib disease during an outbreak of unvaccinated individuals in her community.  Although Julieanna was fully vaccinated, tests were run in the hospital as she struggled to survive that revealed that she suffered from an immune deficiency that rendered her vaccines ineffective.  After several surgeries, including brain surgery to remove a mass of fluid from the brain, she survived.  Julieanna had to be taught once again how to crawl, walk and even swallow; she remains developmentally delayed.  Her family came to Washington, DC recently to meet with members of Congress where her mother Brendalee stated that

“Parents need to understand that when they choose not to vaccinate, they make a decision for other people’s children as well. She did not deserve this.”

Many who support the proposed changes in Vermont, including the commissioner of health and physicians throughout the state who have treated children recently for diseases such as varicella and Haemophilus influenza type b, were heard by the Committee. Kayla Thomas, a college student from Vermont who lost her infant brother to meningitis, also testified in support of the removal of exemptions.

However it seems their testimony, as well as mine, which included a heartbreaking video story of a boy whose bout with chicken pox/varicella has left him with a lifetime of disabilities, was not enough to sway the House Committee. Instead they voted to reverse the Senate action, reinstating the philosophical exemption for parents who don’t want to meet requirements that their kids get vaccinations before attending school or child care. The next step will be negotiations within the conference committee to come to a solution that is acceptable to both the House and Senate.

It’s clear that the considerations in Vermont are similar to concerns that other states are experiencing nationwide.  Just yesterday, the Today Show ran a piece on the terrible toll that pertussis outbreaks are taking on infants throughout the nation.  The broadcast included coverage of a press conference featuring Washington State’s Secretary of Health Mary Selecky, who shared the news that her state has declared an epidemic of whooping cough. As many as 640 cases have been reported in 2012 as of March 31st, compared with 94 cases within the same timeframe last year.  High exemption rates in the state were partially blamed for the outbreaks, although health officials warn that there are other variables that contribute to the problem, such as waning immunity among young adults and adults.  Two other “hot-pocket” states were mentioned where officials fear that high exemption rates may contribute to the spread of vaccine preventable diseases; Oregon and Vermont.

As we continue to address these concerns, we will keep you informed of the progress that is made.  We appreciate all the support we have received from parents and public health advocates who recognize the reasoning behind tightening restrictions on philosophical exemptions and we encourage you to find out other ways that you can “Get Involved” on our Vaccinate Your Baby website.

  1. cia parker
    April 6, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    The problem is that if you get the child vaccines, he is very likely to be damaged by them. That’s the only sticking point in this debate. Anyone who wants the vaccines is free to get them, and those of us who fear them should not be forced into getting them. Most of the people you see at the supermarket have not had their vaccines updated in the recent past, and might thereby be vectors of disease. Everyone presently lives comfortably with that knowledge. Rosalynn Carter was First Lady nearly forty years ago, before we knew much, if anything, about vaccine damage. Small babies should be kept in quarantine at home until they are four months old, maybe everyone who handles them should wash their hands and maybe wear a mask. Have someone care for them at home if the mom has no alternative but to work outside the home. And leave those of us who have been vaccine-damaged or fear becoming so alone.

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  2. April 6, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Wonderful post! Thank you for your testimony and your support in Vermont!

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  3. Lawrence
    April 6, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    @cia – so, when did you file your claim with the Vaccine Court?

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  4. Sara H.
    April 6, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    most of us do not have the luxury of being a stay-at-home mom or want to go into isolation for 4 months after giving birth.The facts remain that benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risks and that the people against vaccines are not only putting their children in jeopardy, but the rest of the population as well. The only reason these diseases are under control or even eliminated are because of vaccinations. Rosalynn Carter has been a champion of vaccines for many years and the time frame she served as First Lady is totally irrelevant. I vaccinate children and adults as a public health nurse and firmly believe in the safety and efficacy of vaccines we have access to.

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  5. Genevieve
    April 6, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    If vaccines work so well, why are so many vaccinated people afraid of those who don’t? Do my rights not count? There are MANY children who are vaccine injured. Why do their rights not count?

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  6. Kelly
    April 7, 2012 at 12:30 am

    There are two ways to prevent disease: (1) increase host defenses via a vaccine and (2) avoid exposure. Doing both together would offer the best protection to our children. Just because you are OK with your child suffering from horrible illnesses does not mean you get to force that decision on our children.

    There are many people who claim that their children are vaccine injured. In reality, most are not and even more children would be injured if we did not vaccinate. The vaccinated help protect the unvaccinated where the unvaccinated are more likely to harm the vaccinated. The threat of harm to others is where the moral issue lies. You can believe whatever you want but when that belief threatens harm to others, that’s when others have a right to defend themselves against you.

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  7. Jennifer
    April 7, 2012 at 7:18 am

    I live in Vermont and I used to strongly believe in vaccinations.. My son was vaccinated on schedule, sometimes receiving 6 shots in one day. I felt like I was doing everything right for my son, that I was protecting him. Every time he received his vaccines he would fade away from us. I woudn’t believe his vaccines were causing this regression so I continued on with the every child by two schedule until he was two. At that time my husband and I couldn’t deny anymore what was happening to our son. He had previously met each and every milestone, months early usually. He was a bright and shinny little boy who had such a sparkle about him that complete strangers would remark how engaged and happy he was. Between his 2nd and 3rd year that happy boy was gone. He started having excruciating diarrhea and wondered around our house like a ghost. He stopped sleeping at night and would sometimes spread his feces on the walls of his room. Our life became a living nightmare. He was diagnosed with Autism when he was 3. I’ve been told again and again that science has proven to us that vaccines don’t cause Autism. It probably doesn’t for most children but it can for certain children. I mean think about it, Not every child can eat peanuts, not every child can take penicillin. Not every child can be given vaccines!!! There should be testing to determine which infant has these genetic weakness. No child shoud ever have to go through the pain that my child and entire family has endured. I support the philosophical exemption!

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  8. Kelli
    April 7, 2012 at 7:24 am

    Do you read the research? Learn how the immune system works. Vaccines do not stop transmission. This is stated over and over in research. In fact, three new studies were just publish stating that the pertussis vaccine actually causes outbreaks. Look at polio as well. The actual polio virus is down yet parallisis is up. I can go on. Look up the measels outbreak in the UK last year….the majority of the cases occured in vaccinated children. Stop being a sheep……!
    Oh and our DNA is made up of 9 percent of viruses and 34 percent of retrotransferons..that is the coding for these viruses..that is 43 percent…43 percent of our DNA that makes us human…almost half is viruses. Keep your freedom of choice and stop pushing your uneducated opinons on the rest of vermont.

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  9. Kelly
    April 7, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Yes, Kelli, I have read the research which is how I know that you are the uneducated one. Removal of the philosophical exemption would indeed force those with uneducated opinions to keep them to themselves and keep their children out of public school so as not to be a threat to others.

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  10. Chris
    April 7, 2012 at 11:55 am

    There should be testing to determine which infant has these genetic weakness.

    Citation needed.

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  11. Kelly
    April 7, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    As for the measles outbreak in the UK, do you mean this one? http://www.hpa.org.uk/ProductsServices/LocalServices/NorthWest/NorthWestPressReleases/nwest120326Merseysidemeasleslatest/

    A feature of the outbreak is that approximately 29 of the confirmed cases are in teenagers (over the age of 15) and young adults who were not vaccinated as children. There are also 27 cases in children under the age of 13 months who were too young to be vaccinated.

    The majority of the remaining cases (31) are in unvaccinated children aged between 13 months and five years. (For the sake of completeness, there have been nine cases in children aged 5-9 years and five cases in children aged 10-14).

    So let’s see, 87/113 were not vaccinate, 60 of those by choice. Looks like the majority of cases were in the unvaccinated, Kelli. You didn’t provide a reference, so perhaps you were referring to some other UK outbreak? Or perhaps you are just being a sheep and repeating something someone else told you? What about the 27 cases in children to young to be vaccinated? What about those children’s rights, especially since they are now at a greater risk of SSPE? Their parents didn’t get a chance to make a choice about the vaccine.

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  12. Chris
    April 7, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Kelli:

    Look up the measels outbreak in the UK last year….the majority of the cases occured in vaccinated children.

    Please provide a citation for that claim.

    European countries must take action now to prevent continued measles outbreaks in 2012:

    The majority of European cases (90%) were amongst adolescents and adults who had not been vaccinated or for whom vaccination history was not reported.

    It looks like the majority were not properly vaccinated.

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  13. Jennifer
    April 7, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Testing to see which children would not be able to handle vaccinations.

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  14. Chris
    April 7, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Um, how is that a title, journal and date of a citation? What tests? What gene sequences out of the 25000 or so? What research? Who pays for it?

    We just got the results of genetic testing for just eighteen known genetic sequences that cause 80% of the cardiac condition my son has. They did not find any of them, so he is in the 20% of those that have an unknown genetic reason for this very serious condition (he is scheduled for open heart surgery next month). The doctor who specializes in genetics suggested the full genetic screen, but we would have to pay the entire $10000 cost.

    In short: genetics is complicated and you cannot demand something unless you have evidence that it would be useful.

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  15. Chris
    April 7, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Also, if a child cannot handle a vaccine, why would they fare better with the disease? Again, you need to support your statement with a citation of a PubMed indexed citation.

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  16. Nathan
    April 10, 2012 at 11:10 am

    The problem is that if you get the child vaccines, he is very likely to be damaged by them. That’s the only sticking point in this debate.

    No, really the sticking point is that people like you make stuff up. For example, the words
    “very likely.”

    Rosalynn Carter was First Lady nearly forty years ago, before we knew much, if anything, about vaccine damage.

    Fortunately, we do in fact know that the risk of actual vaccine damage is, and has been, extremely rare, even in Ms. Carter’s heyday.

    And leave those of us who have been vaccine-damaged or fear becoming so alone.

    This is particularly ironic consider the sheer number of fearmongering posts you leave on this blog on a daily basis. No one here is actually bothering you as it is your choice to comment here. Perhaps you could leave people who want to prevent child death and disability from infectious disease alone?

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  17. cia parker
    April 10, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    I just looked at Ginger Taylor’s blog Adventures in Autism to remember the name of the man who was interviewed two weeks ago, and I also saw two interesting new studies that I thought I might mention.
    As I said the week before last, Dr. Walter Zahorodny on the Brian Lehrer show was interviewed by Seth Mnookin’s friend Kurt Andersen, who asked him to confirm that vaccines don’t cause autism, and he answered that some cases of autism probably were caused by vaccine reaction. He was in charge of the Pennsylvania statistics, which found that autism is more common there than in most of the country, one in 49, I think, one in around 30 boys? Like in Utah. And the director of Autism Speaks, Geri Dawson, who only last year said that no one was permitted to talk about vaccines causing autism any more, it was so clear that they didn’t, was interviewed on NPR by Tom Ashbrook, and said the same thing, that vaccines did sometimes cause autism.
    One study was “Hepatitis B Vaccine Causes Mitochondrial Disorders and Cell Death,” Apoptosis 2012 Jan. 17, epub ahead of print, by Hamza H., Cao J., Li Z.
    The other was: “Conflicts of Interest in Vaccine Safety Research,” in Accountability in Research 19: 65-88, 2012, by Gayle DeLong.

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  18. cia parker
    April 10, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Jennifer,
    I totally agree with you, since they have talked so much about the possibility of certain genes being linked to autism, but since there are so many thousands of children who were fine until they reacted to a vaccine, it would be logical to test the children before vaccinating them. . It looks, in the wake of the study I cited above, like Hannah Poling’s parents were right about her mitochondrial disorder being caused by vaccines and not the cause in itself of her autism. But since there is one in thirty boys now in Pennsylvania and Utah with autism, it might turn out that the problematic genes are so common that the only recourse would be to stop recommending vaccinations altogether.

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  19. cia parker
    April 10, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Jennifer,
    I’m very sorry for what you have gone through. I have also suffered a lot from my precious daughter’s vaccine-induced autism. I agree with you that parents should be absolutely free to reject vaccines for our children. I’m sorry that you are already being mocked by the people here who post their replies within five minutes of every post. Maybe you should check out the Westborough Patch newspaper that just published an article by a woman whose child developed autism from vaccines, there were dozens of posts by other parents who had had the same experience, your post would be welcome there, and all of us livid at being dismissed by the establishment. We’re going to get the job done, don’t worry!

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  20. cia parker
    April 10, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Chris,
    I hope your son’s surgery goes well, you must be very worried. If you told me when the surgery will be, I promise that I would pray at that time for his safe and complete recovery. I said a prayer for him just now, and will continue to do so whether to say any more about it or not. It’s ridiculous that they should ask ten thousand to do a genetic screening, I wish we had comprehensive health care for all her, the way they do everywhere else in the First World. I’m glad at least Obama cares, although no one else seems to. But as for not screening unless you’re sure it would be useful, I would say that if it were not feasible or useful to screen for the genes found so far to be associated with autism before vaccinating, then the parent should seriously consider just forgoing the vaccines. I think the burden of proof should be on the vaccine companies to develop effective, affordable screening procedures. At the very least, parents should be totally free to decide what they want to do.

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  21. cia parker
    April 10, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Did you see the Reuters article last week about 91% of the people who had pertussis in California two years ago having been appropriately vaccinated, and got it anyway? You have every right to your beliefs, but your colleague Patti White, a Missouri school nurse, testified that her association had reluctantly been convinced that the hep-B vaccine had caused the deluge of autism hitting Missouri kindergartens in 1996, five years after the hep-B vax at birth began. Those of us who believe as firmly as you that vaccines are not safe, regardless of how effective or otherwise they may be, have the same right as you to get them or reject them.

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  22. cia parker
    April 10, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Since so many even of the vaccinated people can transmit pertussis, I promote the quarantine of young babies if there is any pertussis in town. I understand how it would be difficult for working mothers, but most moms could usually find someone to stay with their baby during working hours, it would just be for four months in most cases, and if they thought their baby’s life might depend on it, would usually be able to come up with the money, or a relative, neighbor, friend, fellow church member, or someone.

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  23. cia parker
    April 10, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Again, Kelly, if we are too afraid, with good reason, to vaccinate, then we are not going to be willing to be part of this cohort protecting the herd. My child and I were vaccine-damaged and we aren’t going to get any more vaccines. The real moral problem here is that you’re willing to throw us into the trash and would be willing to damage us still more by forcing vaccines into us.

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  24. cia parker
    April 10, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Kelly,
    You act as though it were a terrible tragedy just to have gotten measles. Nine out of 30,000 died of it in Europe last year. So 29,091 now have complete immunity and it is a distant memory for them. I wish that my daughter could have gotten measles at the age of six, the way I did. I am not afraid of measles.

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  25. Jennifer
    April 10, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Thank you Cia! I’m sorry your daughter has vaccine induced Autism! It’s heartbreaking to see your precious child regress into Autism. I will definately read the article in the Westborough Patch newspaper, thank you for telling me about it. We do have rights and I will NEVER let my son be the necessary risk again!!! I can’t quote pubmed because there haven’t been any studies done. But I’m more of a common sense kinda gal. My son is my science, my test study. Take a perfectly healthy, typically developing child…..load him up with vaccines every few months and VOILA…..you now have a sick child who never sleeps & loses all milestones that were previously met. That’s EXACTLY what happened to my son. Chris…..I think you need to get a dose of common sense, pronto. Since you believe in vaccinations so strongly let’s see if we can find one for common sense. :))))))))) xoxoxo

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  26. cia parker
    April 10, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Genevieve,
    I agree with you. It makes me angry that the people on this site (who are paid for their efforts) dismiss me and my daughter who are vaccine-damaged as delusional liars. They just dismiss all the hundreds of thousands of children who are vaccine-damaged as deluded, and we shouldn’t have the option to protect ourselves by refusing vaccines.

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  27. Chris
    April 10, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    What you can do to help everyone is to stop spamming your nonsense.

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  28. Kelly
    April 10, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Jennifer, cia’s daughter has autism. Autism is not caused by vaccines. You may also want to look up the scientific method and how science is done. A study of n=1 is not science but anecdote.

    If thinking like you is “common sense”, then I’m kind of scared for humanity.

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  29. Kelly
    April 10, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Once again, cia. I’m not paid for my efforts. You have been corrected in this regard many times yet you continue to lie.

    Your daughter is not vaccine damaged. Your daughter has autism. More lies.

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  30. Jennifer
    April 10, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Cia, these people are just sheep who don’t believe anything unless it’s written up in a journal somewhere…..can they even think for themselves? You & I know from real life experience that vaccines can hurt a certain percentage of children……we’ve experienced it with our children.

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  31. Kelly
    April 10, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    cia, you and your daughter are not vaccine damaged. Why don’t you stop lying about that?

    MMR does not cause autism, but measles kills people. You fear a fantasy vaccine injury but wish your child to suffer from an illness that could kill her and wonder why we think you are trash? How many children should we sacrifice to your false belief that vaccines are dangerous, cia? You think 9 people dead is an acceptable number? I don’t, which is why I prefer the vaccine.

    As for forcing vaccines into you – again another lie, cia. I don’t agree with forced vaccines. I’d like people to make an informed decision which is why I continue to debunk your lies.

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  32. Jennifer
    April 10, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Hey, I used to be on your side of the vaccine debate. I vaccinated my son for almost two years. Every time he got another round of vaccines he woud fade. By the time he was 3 he had lost all his milestones and we couldn’t ignore the evidence of vaccine injury. He was diagnosed with regressive Autism. So unless you have walked a mile in my shoes, I woudn’t be quite so quick to judge, especially on a subject with which you don’t have any true life expirence.

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  33. Lawrence
    April 10, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Jennifer :
    Hey, I used to be on your side of the vaccine debate. I vaccinated my son for almost two years. Every time he got another round of vaccines he woud fade. By the time he was 3 he had lost all his milestones and we couldn’t ignore the evidence of vaccine injury. He was diagnosed with regressive Autism. So unless you have walked a mile in my shoes, I woudn’t be quite so quick to judge, especially on a subject with which you don’t have any true life expirence.

    So Jennifer – when did you file your claim with the Vaccine Court?

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  34. Jennifer
    April 10, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Seriously????? We have a children with regressive Autism. His treatments and therapy are not covered by our insurance and are incredibly expensive. We’re so busy trying to keep our heads above water, trying to help him succeed in life and don’t have the resources to start a long, expensive fight in vaccine court. 😦

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  35. Lawrence
    April 10, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    So, a Court System set up specifically to deal with Vaccine-related issues – with a lower burden of proof than Civil Court, and you don’t have the time?

    This is what annoys the holey-living crap out of me with these people……they make all of these claims, with zero scientific evidence to back it up, and when they have the opportunity to put forth a claim for monetary damages, suddenly “its too hard, blah, blah, blah.”

    And there is no fight in the Vaccine Court – claims are filed & the evidence is examined. There isn’t a Defendant, so you’re not facing an adversarial system. You present your medical evidence & if it meets the standard of proof (50% + a hair), you win.

    You’d think, with all of the resources at AoA that they would be helping families file their claims – why exactly aren’t they doing that.

    It seems to me, both for CIA & Jennifer, that their angst is directed at the wrong people. Why don’t you head over to AoA & plead for them to take your cases – since you make them appear so cut and dry.

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  36. Kelly
    April 10, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    I’m not seeing where you are doing any thinking for yourself Jennifer if you just follow what you believe, especially if you know that the human brain believes all kinds of things that are false. Have you ever learned about optical illusions? Real life experience will lead you to see things that just aren’t there. It’s not until you do the science that you realize your brain fooled you.

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  37. Kelly
    April 10, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    I’m very sorry that you are unhappy with your child Jennifer and seek to blame his condition on vaccines.

    Correlation does not equal causation and you are wrong to think that vaccines caused your son’s autism.

    You have no evidence of vaccine injury, that’s my point. It’s just your false belief that your son is vaccine injured. Avoiding vaccines is not going to prevent further cases of autism. Avoiding vaccines just means more children will suffer. Why do you wish suffering on others? Do you not think it is wrong to protect your son from suffering from these diseases and then mislead other parents into leaving their children vulnerable? I do, which is why I speak out against you and cia.

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  38. Kelly
    April 10, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Hannah Poling inherited her mitochondrial disorder from her mother, cia. The disorder was not caused by vaccines. Furthermore, if Hannah suffered from any fever-producing illness, it would have triggered the autism-like symptoms. The vaccines did not cause the disorder but only happened to trigger it by circumstance. If the parents delayed vaccination more than they had already, it could have been caused by an illness. What would you blame then?

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  39. Jennifer
    April 10, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Oh girl…….that’s where you are sooooooo wrong! I love & adore my son with my entire heart. I just don’t like what happened to him.

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  40. Kelly
    April 10, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Considering what happened to him was that he was born, really doesn’t say much about you as a mother, Jennifer.

    No wonder you have to blame vaccines because otherwise
    you would have to have a good hard look at yourself and why you don’t like your son.

    So, I guess it makes it easier to live with your son if you blame vaccines, but why do you wish to see other children suffer? Would you like other parents to join you in your perceived suffering?

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  41. Lawrence
    April 10, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Jennifer :
    Oh girl…….that’s where you are sooooooo wrong! I love & adore my son with my entire heart. I just don’t like what happened to him.

    If you love your son & are convinced that vaccines are to blame, then you would find the time and energy, or at least the advocates, to file a claim with the Vaccine Court. Why don’t you ask the people at AoA to help you – they seem to have plenty of time, money, and energy dedicated to blaming vaccines for everything up to and including the end of the world as we know it – you should be their poster child (literally).

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  42. Jennifer
    April 10, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Kelly, are you a parent?

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  43. Jennifer
    April 10, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Btw, my son has had his immunizations…..until he was 2. We have tested his titers, he is immune to everything…..so he’s not a threat to anyone. I take him to a specialist to help him with his physical issues….he has been making incredible strides. I thank God every day that I’m his Mom, that I can be there for him 24-7 to help him deal with difficulties with his every day life. Do you even know ANYONE with Autism……..or are you getting all your info from a book? I bet you haven’t even meet anyone with Autiism…..sheep, lol!!

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  44. Kelly
    April 10, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    Yes, I know several people with autism and I am a parent.

    And my point was your son has been vaccinated and has a reduced risk of suffering a vaccine-preventable disease but you are advocating that other parents not vaccinate because you think these vaccines caused your son’s autism. Vaccines don’t cause autism, so if other parents listened to your lies, their children would be at an increased risk from suffering harm. My question is “Do you not think it is wrong to protect your son from suffering from these diseases and then mislead other parents into leaving their children vulnerable?” I have answered your questions, so please answer mine.

    You claim that you love, adore and are so glad to be with your son, but you describe him as damaged and regressed and faded. Your logic is vaccines cause autism so you don’t want others to vaccinate so their children don’t become like yours. Your claims of love and affection don’t match your words when you describe him.

    People with autism are not damaged, lost souls and I am sorry that you think so. I can completely emphasize why it would be easier for you psychologically to blame vaccines with your attitude about autism. I’m sorry that you love the fantasy of what you thought your son should be instead of loving him for who he is.

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  45. Chris
    April 10, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    I can’t quote pubmed because there haven’t been any studies done. But I’m more of a common sense kinda gal. My son is my science, my test study.

    Previously you said: “There should be testing to determine which infant has these genetic weakness.”

    You were making a demand without even understanding what you were asking. You did not even understand what is meant by the word “citation.”

    Again you say: “I think you need to get a dose of common sense, pronto.”

    How is it common sense to ignore the science? How is it common sense to ask for things you do not understand? How is it common sense allow children to suffer from diseases? Diseases where even more children suffer side effects that they “never sleeps & loses all milestones that were previously met”?

    If you refuse to learn about the issues, and refuse all science: why should we believe you and actually care about what you think? Perhaps you should skip giving lectures on common sense (which you have not demonstrated) and actually learn about the science, the history and issues.

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  46. Nathan
    April 11, 2012 at 12:13 am

    Did you see the Reuters article last week about 91% of the people who had pertussis in California two years ago having been appropriately vaccinated, and got it anyway?

    Yes you posted about this on at least two other places on this very blog. Your blog etiquette leaves a lot to be desired. As you said, much of it was at an age at which the vaccine was wearing off. Not sure why this excites you so.

    You have every right to your beliefs, but your colleague Patti White, a Missouri school nurse, testified that her association had reluctantly been convinced that the hep-B vaccine had caused the deluge of autism hitting Missouri kindergartens in 1996, five years after the hep-B vax at birth began.

    Certainly you can cite the study that she conducted to demonstrate this. No?

    Those of us who believe as firmly as you that vaccines are not safe, regardless of how effective or otherwise they may be, have the same right as you to get them or reject them.

    You do have the same right, Cia. Your right to not vaccinate is the same as anyone else’s. Being opposed to vaccines does not change your rights. In my state, I have the right to refuse vaccines for philosophical reasons, but I do not have the right to subsequently send my child to public school. Your rights would be the same if you lived in my state.

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  47. Nathan
    April 11, 2012 at 12:13 am

    There is almost always pertussis in town, as it is transmitted undiagnosed frequently among adults. Full quarantine for three months is ideal from a newborn’s health perspective, but not very reasonable for all of them, and parents and sibs can unfortunately bring pertussis home to their “quarantined” newborns. Vaccinating contacts greatly reduces this chance.

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  48. Lawrence
    April 11, 2012 at 5:30 am

    You do realize, Ms. Parker – that anyone who would be staying with the “quarantined” child would need to be vaccinated, right?

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  49. cia parker
    April 11, 2012 at 9:58 am

    The court found that her autism was caused by the vaccines, and accordingly awarded her millions. Her parents believe that the vaccines triggered the mitochondrial disorder, and not the other way around. She was normal, healthy, talkative, and sociable until she reacted severely to the vaccines, and regressed. The new study I cited about vaccine causing mitochondrial disorders would seem to support this scenario.

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  50. cia parker
    April 11, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Jennifer,
    I am sorry you are experiencing this abuse at these people’s hands. I hope you won’t take it personally, they are paid to express these opinions, and are not free to reason and consider new ideas the way most people are. I contacted a law firm, and Mr. Dempsey told me, that while he believed vaccines were causing autism based on the many stories he had heard from parents, that to his knowledge no law firm in the land would accept a case alleging vaccines had caused autism. It’s too much of a hot potato, with billions of dollars at stake, and at this time, nearly all the cards are in the hands of Big Pharma.

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  51. Kelly
    April 11, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Once again, cia, I’m not paid by anyone to counter your lies. You have been told this repeatedly and you continue to tell this falsehood.

    All the cards are held against you because there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that vaccines do not cause autism. Even your lawyer has informed you that you cannot support your claims and yet you continue to make this false claim that your daughter’s autism is a vaccine injury.

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  52. Kelly
    April 11, 2012 at 10:50 am

    No, try again, cia. It doesn’t matter what her parents believe. The fact of the matter is that Hannah inherited the condition from her mother. The court did not find that her autism was caused by vaccines. This is the actual decision:

    In sum, DVIC has concluded that the facts of this case meet the statutory criteria for demonstrating that the vaccinations CHILD received on July 19, 2000, significantly aggravated an underlying mitochondrial disorder, which predisposed her to deficits in cellular energy metabolism, and manifested as a regressive encephalopathy with features of autism spectrum disorder. Therefore, respondent recommends that compensation be awarded to petitioners in accordance with 42 U.S.C. § 300aa-11(c)(1)(C)(ii).

    Once again you are caught in a lie.
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/on-the-rebranding-of-autism-as-a-mitochondrial-disorder-by-antivaccinationists/

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  53. Lawrence
    April 11, 2012 at 11:39 am

    cia parker :
    The court found that her autism was caused by the vaccines, and accordingly awarded her millions. Her parents believe that the vaccines triggered the mitochondrial disorder, and not the other way around. She was normal, healthy, talkative, and sociable until she reacted severely to the vaccines, and regressed. The new study I cited about vaccine causing mitochondrial disorders would seem to support this scenario.

    Mitochondiral disorders are genetic disorders – they don’t just “happen.”

    I also take great offense at your attempt to use the “Pharma Shill” gambit. In fact, I wonder who is paying you to come here & spread your obvious dis-information regarding vaccines….perhaps you are in the pay of hospitals that would make lots more money treating kids that need to be hospitalized after contracting measles, mumps, rubella, HepB, HebA, Pneumonia, etc, etc, etc……

    Or I’ll just start calling you a “Disease Shill.”

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  54. cia parker
    April 11, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Kelly,
    I’m sorry if I have falsely assumed that you were paid to post your opinions here, like many of those on this site. You’re saying it’s just your natural belligerance and incivility? I’m sure you realize that most people would say that you had gone way beyond the pale in your abuse of those who have different opinions on this issue based on their personal experiences and wide reading. It’s beneath me to deal any further with a possibly unpaid pharma attack drone like you.

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  55. Chris
    April 11, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Actually, the mother and baby would need to be Actually, the mother and baby would need to be quanantined for at least six months, and possibly a year. They are not fully protected until they have their full series of DTaP.

    Plus, both mother and baby would need to be isolated from other unvaccinated persons. And this means in the case of a famliy that rejects vaccines at least six months of not seeing the father or other siblings, nor leaving a section of the house.

    [sarcasm] Yeah, that’s gonna work! [/sarcasm]

    A better solution would be to increase herd immunity by making sure all children are kept current with DTaP and all teenagers and adults are have had a Tdap.

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  56. Chris
    April 11, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Any explanation why you keep repeating falsehoods, despite being corrected again and again and again? Are you being paid to lie?

    So exactly what do you have to read and understand before entering the official VAERS site?

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  57. Kelly
    April 11, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    I’m not the one that is a compulsive liar, cia. I have told you many times that I’m not paid to correct your lies.

    I hope this statement “It’s beneath me to deal any further with a possibly unpaid pharma attack drone like you.” means that you will now stop lying here? I know, I’m such an optimist. My bet is you’ll be back next week to tell us about your and your daughter’s “vaccine injuries”, minimize the risk of VPD, create fake vaccine side effects and call us pharma shill.

    I would really hate to see children harmed by your lies, cia. If that makes me a “unpaid pharma attack drone”, then so be it. I think it is much more honorable to correct false statements than make them.

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  58. Kelly
    April 11, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Chris, she even lies about not being able to lie, as she demonstrated with this comment and then wonders why we don’t treat her with respect. Gee I don’t know. In my world, dishonest people are generally frowned upon. Good to know that in cia’s world is considered an honourable trait worthy of respect.

    https://shotofprevention.com/2012/04/06/whose-rights-shall-prevail-in-vermont/#comment-8071

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  59. Snoozie
    April 11, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Cia, the people here who disagree with you are not paid to express these opinions. This is creating a most ludicrous conspiracy theory, and I am certain that any casual reader would see right through it.

    As for the lawyer, they will not take the case because it has been tried already and it failed miserably. http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/autism/cedillo%20fed%20circuit.pdf

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  60. Lawrence
    April 11, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    @Snoozie – although the Omnibus Hearings were a decisive defeat for those who want to link vaccines to autism, I would encourage those (like cia & jennifer – who spread their stories far and wide) to continue to try – because otherwise, they are lying & by not pursuing legitimate legal compensation, they are admitting that they are lying and have no real evidence to back their stories up.

    So, for both cia & jennifer – put up or shut up, you have the means to pursue a claim or you should ask AoA & their supporters to assist you in making a claim with the Vaccine Court – that is what it is there for.

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  61. Chris
    April 11, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    I’d just be happy if they would learn how to cite actual scientific literature and stop playing the pity card.

    I really hate the “Oh, poor me! My kid has autism and life is hard!” gambit. Well, guess what: stuff happens. My kid is also disabled, he has suffered from diseases (including one that caused seizures), and he has additional medical conditions that requires protection through herd immunity every so often. The herd immunity that they are working so hard to destroy.

    This is why I hate selfish people who don’t care about anyone else or their children. And if you don’t like the word “selfish”, give me another one to describe those who are quite willing to benefit from herd immunity without being resposible enough, or even willing to open their mind, to learn about the real risks.

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  62. cia parker
    April 12, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Jennifer:
    I thought you might be interested in this.

    Mrs. Black dourly surveyed the twenty children sitting quietly before her. “I must tell you, class, that the annual rabies shot I and all the other teachers lined up in the gym to get yesterday did not hurt at all. I’m sure you’ve all seen the posters which have been put up all over the school. Mad dog’s bite, Merck’s delight. As everyone is aware, you never know when a rabid dog might bite you. One man died of rabies in the United States last year. It’s not true what they say, that he really died in reaction to the shots he was given afterwards. He just didn’t get them soon enough. And so now, this afternoon, all of you will get your opportunity to participate in national herd immunity from rabies, when nurses will be administering the vaccine in the gym to all the students in the school.”
    She wiped the foam from her mouth before proceeding.
    “Our science lesson for the day is taken from the text ‘Correlation does not equal causation.’ Now some people may tell you that they reacted badly to a vaccine. That is simply untrue. There is absolutely no proof that anyone has ever reacted badly to any vaccine. All the stories that people are whispering to each other these days are foul and egregious lies, and must be stamped out. Let me write the word “anecdote” on the board. An anecdote is just a story, and no matter how many times it happens and no matter how many people it happens to, it’s just a story, a fiction, and not reality.”
    Kaden tentatively raises his hand.
    “Yes, Kaden?”
    “Please, ma’am, my mom says that my little brother started screaming as soon as he got the hepatitis-B vaccine when he was two months old. He screamed and screamed and turned blue in the face, and then he died.”
    “Well, Kaden, let me teach you another word. And that word is coincidence. Something that happens with absolutely no relationship to something else that happens. Coincidences happen all the time. Previously healthy babies die all the time for no obvious reason.”
    “My mom and dad think it was because of the Merck vaccine he got.”
    “Lies, lies, when will you children stop repeating these vicious lies! Absolutely no relationship, none whatsoever!”
    Mrs. Black takes out the bullwhip she kept under the desk for such occasions.
    “I’m doing this to teach you to respect the truth and honor our Führer’s name!”
    She whocks Kaden three times across the back with her whip, after which he slumps bleeding and sobbing to the floor.
    “Now, do you all understand? We have the most vaccinated population of all of human history, and we must all thank Merck for it.”
    “Please, ma’am, my twin brother was sick when we got the MMR, and stopped talking and started having diarrhea all the time. He’s in diapers in the special ed room now.”
    “Please, ma’am, my mom says my peanut allergy started after I got a bunch of shots when I was fifteen months old. I have to eat lunch in a special room, because if I even breathe one particle of peanut dust I could die.”
    “Please, ma’am, I never had asthma until I got my preschool boosters, and since then I’ve had to be rushed to the emergency room because I get these asthma attacks and nearly die.”
    “Please, ma’am,” lisps Kelsey, “My mom says that we have the most chronically ill population in all of human history, and the highest infant mortality rate of any First World country.”
    Mrs. Black wiped the foam from her mouth before slapping Kelsey so hard across the face that her head dropped to her shoulder, before whirling to lash her bullwhip across the backs of the heretical children.
    “Such talk will not be permitted in this classroom, do you hear me? Tomorrow you will all be lining up in the gym for your Tdap shots, to stamp out pertussis once and for all!”
    Aubrey raised her hand.
    “Please, ma’am, my mom says that when my brother turned seven, even though he had missed his preschool booster, the doctor said that it was much too dangerous to give him a pertussis booster, since children over seven had a lot more dangerous reactions to it than most younger children.”
    Mrs. Black replied stentoriously.
    “Well, since that time, Merck received a revelation that it would no longer cause extremely serious reactions in the elementary school population. They must obtain a hundred million dollars to pay off the Vioxx damage awards, so this revelation was a godsend for them, and for us all. They had a similar revelation when they realized that flu shots were no longer dangerous to give to pregnant women, as had always been believed before. How wonderful that we have received this dispensation, to allow all of us to get any and all vaccines at any time!”
    “And now, children, let us all stand, raise our right arm, and sing the Horst Wessel Lied and Facetta Nera, to give thanks for our new, truly international global order. No, Matthew, if I’ve told you once, I’ve told you a million times, that’s your left arm, not your right. And Lisa, Carlos, Ben, Quinn, and Kaylin, please stop spinning around in circles flapping your arms. You know you only do that to annoy us. And those of you sniveling and bleeding on the floor, please stand up and join us as we pledge allegiance to Merck. ”

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  63. Chris
    April 12, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    annual rabies shot I and all the other teachers

    Where does this happen? And what is with the really bad short story with the blatant lies?

    And again, I am going to ask you: What must you read and understand at http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index, after it says: “Please read the following statement on the limits of VAERS data. You MUST click on the box below to access the VAERS database”?

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  64. Kelly
    April 12, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Bahahaha- thanks for that work of fiction, cia. Once again you demonstrate that your beliefs against vaccines are based on stuff you make up rather than reality.

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  65. Lawrence
    April 12, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Wow – what a pile of crap there cia. You remind my of Morgellon’s chick & her end of the world, genocidal conspiracy theories….seriously, what color is the sky on your planet, because you certainly don’t live on this one.

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  66. Snoozie
    April 12, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    The annual rabies shot, the children lining up in the gymnasium, and all the other silly little details. Cia has proven through this silly story that she genuinely does not understand anything about vaccines.

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  67. Nathan
    April 12, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Oh, my, it’s like a Voltron of strawmen.

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  68. April 10, 2013 at 12:18 am

    What’s up, just wanted to tell you, I loved this article. It was practical. Keep on posting!

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