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Vaccines That Help Heal

Science continues to fascinate me!  Personally, I have been grateful for modern medicine many times throughout my own life.  I have seen a premature baby, who arrived weighing  just a few pounds, grow into a thriving child.  I have seen courageous men return from war as amputees, who go onto run marathons.  I have had family members live long lives after having triple bypass surgery.  So to say that I value medicine and science is an understatement.

I guess that is why I can’t seem to understand why some people question the number of vaccines on the current immunization schedule.  I consider it a blessing that medical advancements can now protect our children from such a large number of dangerous diseases.  And today, I’m reminded that modern medicine continues to offer a great deal of promise for people who already suffer from various diseases.  It’s based upon the idea that vaccines can actually help us heal.

For the past 30 years, researchers have been working on therapeutic vaccines.  As today’s Boston Globe explains, “Just as conventional preventative vaccines use the immune system to prevent disease, therapeutic vaccines use the immune system to target and kill a disease already in progress.”

The article acknowledges that there have been “major failures and minor victories” in this area of research over the years, but that now, “researchers may at last have a deep enough understanding of the immune system to make a difference.”

“Right now, we’re finally at a point where at least the preliminary tools exist for us to deliver something that will start a new trend in medicine,’’ said Garo H. Armen, chief executive of Agenus Inc., a Lexington biotechnology company that is developing a therapeutic herpes vaccine.

In addition to vaccines that attack herpes, therapeutic vaccines are currently under development for hepatitis C, chlamydia, HIV, diabetes, other autoimmune disorders, and there are even vaccines that target nicotine and various cancers.

While I’m sure there will be critics of these advancements, I hope people will be encouraged to learn more about these advancements, as mentioned in today’s Boston Globe.

I am grateful that scientists are working hard to discover new ways we may be able to supplement our own natural defenses.  But I wonder, what are your thoughts and opinions on therapeutic vaccines?

  1. February 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Interesting article. Most people likely just think of vaccines as being used to prevent disease, and forget that the definition of a vaccine is something you give to stimulate the immune system and increase immunity.

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  2. Richids
    February 14, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    “I guess that is why I can’t seem to understand why some people question the number of vaccines on the current immunization schedule.”

    I would guess there are a couple reasons:

    1) How many kids were dying due to outbreaks of infectious disease in the 1980’s?
    2) How can we assume this dramatic jump in the number of vaccines is safe when there are no studies on giving multiple vaccines in one day?
    3) How can we assume this dramatic jump in the number of vaccines is safe when there are no studies on the health outcomes of the current vaccine schedule in total?
    4) How can we assume this dramatic jump in the number of vaccines is safe when there are no studies evaluating the safety of injected aluminum in children when the amount of aluminum exposure in one pediatric visit could be as much as 5 times the allowable amount given to an adult in a single day intravenously in the hospital setting?
    5) How can we assume this vaccine schedule is safe when there are still trace amounts of thimerosal (mercury) in many pediatric vaccines and there are ZERO studies that compare populations of children who received vaccines with thimerosal compared to vaccines with NO thimerosal? (all current studies compare vaccines with a high amt of thimerosal to vaccines with LESS)
    6) How can we assume the current vaccine schedule is safe when there are ZERO studies comparing the overall health of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people?
    NOTE how many times I used the word “assume” because that’s what the CDC and AAP do. In the absence of scientifically answering these questions that’s they are….”assuming” vaccines are “safe”. And we know what “assuming” makes of us all. I don’t know about you but I think, given vaccines are mandated, my child deserves better than that. ~ Pamela Byers Felice

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  3. Chris
    February 14, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    1. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.PDF

    There seem to be quite a few dying from tetanus. Hib was not reportable, but it was a major cause of death and injury to young children.

    2. PubMed is your friend. Also, do you think you live in a sterile environment?

    3. PubMed is still your friend. Learn how to use it.

    4. Why are there no studies of aluminum absorbed into skinned knees? Perhaps the amount of aluminum in your food absorbed into the plants grown in soil. The soil containing lots of aluminum in the most common mineral, feldspars.

    5. What vaccine in the pediatric schedule is only available with those trace amounts of thimerosal? List your source. Make sure the column does not carry the word “free” for any version of the vaccine.

    6. Well, why don’t you show us how you would design that study that conforms to the Declarations of Helsinki and the Belmont Report. Until then, read Vaccination Status and Health in Children
    and Adolescents
    .

    Now it is time for you to answer some questions:

    What is the relative risk from the MMR vaccine when compared to actually getting measles, mumps and rubella. What is the risk of the DTaP vaccine compared to getting diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis? What is the risk of the Hib vaccine versus a child under age five actually getting the disease? The CDC Pink Book should provide you some data.

    How exactly is it more cost effective to treat a disease like measles or Hib compared to preventing them through vaccination?

    Be sure to provide scientific evidence for all of your answers by listing the title, journal dates of the PubMed indexed articles.

    Here are some examples (all available via PubMed):

    Vaccine. 2011 Nov 12. [Epub ahead of print]
    Lack of association between childhood immunizations and encephalitis in California, 1998-2008.

    Pediatrics. 2010 Jun;125(6):1134-41. Epub 2010 May 24.
    On-time vaccine receipt in the first year does not adversely affect neuropsychological outcomes.

    Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2006 Sep;25(9):768-73.
    Encephalopathy after whole-cell pertussis or measles vaccination: lack of evidence for a causal association in a retrospective case-control study.

    Pediatrics, May 2001, Vol. 107(5):1147-1154
    An Assessment of Thimerosal Use in Childhood Vaccines

    J Infect Dis. 2004 May 1;189 Suppl 1:S69-77.
    Acute measles mortality in the United States, 1987-2002.

    West J Med. 1996 Jul-Aug;165(1-2):20-5.
    Pediatric hospital admissions for measles. Lessons from the 1990 epidemic.

    West J Med. 1993 Oct;159(4):455-64
    Measles epidemic from failure to immunize.

    Pediatrics. 2002 Oct;110(4):653-61.
    Impact of universal Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccination starting at 2 months of age in the United States: an economic analysis.

    Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2006 Mar;160(3):302-9. Review.
    Impact of specific medical interventions on reducing the prevalence of mental retardation.

    Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2005;159:1136-1144.
    Economic Evaluation of the 7-Vaccine Routine Childhood Immunization Schedule in the United States, 2001

    J Infect Dis. 2004 May 1;189 Suppl 1:S131-45.
    An economic analysis of the current universal 2-dose measles-mumps-rubella vaccination program in the United States.

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  4. Richids
    February 14, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    I notice you didn’t actually answer 2) and 3), then turn around and ask questions yourself. I’m guessing you didn’t win many debate awards with swift dismissals like that on two very important questions.

    While mercury has received much of the attention, aluminum (found in most vaccines) is also a major culprit in this shocking saga. Added to most vaccine are a number of substances either used during manufacturing or designed as an immune booster (adjuvant). These substances include albumin, aluminum (either as hydrated aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate or alum, also known as hydrated aluminum potassium sulfate), various amino acids, DNA residues, egg protein, gelatin, surfactants, monosodium glutamate (MSG), MRC-5 cellular protein, Thimerosal, and various antibiotics. Not listed on official lists are bacterial and viral contaminants, which can include their particulate, fragmented matter [94,95].

    Aluminum compounds serve to dramatically boost and prolong the immune reaction to the vaccination. Some aluminum remains in the site of injection for years. Aluminum was first added to vaccines in 1926. Aluminum compounds as well as other vaccine components boost immunity—including some undesirable components of the immune system such as B-cells.

    Because vaccine adjuvants are designed to produce prolonged immune stimulation, they pose a particular hazard to the developing nervous system. Studies have shown that immune activation following vaccination can last up to two years. This means that the brain’s microglial cells are also primed for the same length of time or possibly longer.

    A new emerging syndrome called macrophagic myofasciitis has been attributed to the aluminum adjuvant in vaccines and is especially associated with the hepatitis B vaccine and the adsorbed tetanus vaccine [100]. Victims of this syndrome suffer severe muscle and joint pains and severe weakness. Subsequent studies conducted since the syndrome was first described in France, indicate widespread, severe brain injury as well— confirmed by MRI scanning [101,102]. This brain syndrome has been described in American children as well.

    It is known that aluminum can accumulate in the brain and that this accumukated aluminum is associated with neurodegeneration. The evidence for a link between aluminum neurotoxicity and Alzheimer’s disease continues to mount. Aluminum, like mercury, activates microglia leading to chronic brain inflammation—a major event in both Alzheimer’s disease and Parkinson’s disease [103-110].

    Flarend et al. conducted a study (using radiolabelled aluminum [26Al]) in which either of two approved forms of adjuvants (aluminum hydroxide or aluminum phosphate) used in vaccines were injected at a dose approved by the FDA (0.85 mg per dose) [111]. The results showed that aluminum was rapidly absorbed into the blood from both forms. However, aluminum phosphate was absorbed faster and produced tissue levels 2.9 times higher than aluminum hydroxide. Blood levels of aluminum remained elevated for 28 days with both adjuvants. Elevated aluminum levels were found in the kidney, spleen, liver, heart, lymph nodes, and brain.

    Thus, aluminum from vaccines is redistributed to numerous organs including the brain where it can accumulate. Each vaccine adds to this tissue level of aluminum. A total dose of 30.6 mg (and not the 0.85 mg considered safe by the FDA) is available when we calculate the total aluminum dose available from 36 vaccinations. Of course, not all of this aluminum ends up in the tissues. However, aluminum can accumulate in substantial amounts from ingesting foods containing aluminum and from drinking water. When a number of aluminum-containing vaccines are administered to a child during a single office visit, aluminum blood levels rise rapidly and can persist at a high elevation for over a month. During this period of high elevation, aluminum infiltrates the tissues, including the brain.

    It is also known that aluminum enhances the toxicity of mercury and that aluminum, even from sources other than vaccines, increases inflammation in the body [106]. The question no one seems to be asking is this: Does the aluminum act as a constant source of brain inflammation? Research, especially focusing on aluminum-triggered microglial activation, seems to indicate it does [112]. Dr. Anna Strunecka, professor of physiology, found aluminum readily binds with fluoride to form fluoroaluminum and that this compound can active G-protein receptors that control a number of neurotransmitters, including glutamate receptors [46]. Administering multiple aluminum-containing vaccines at once raises blood and tissue levels much higher than when these same vaccines are administered separately. Fluoride in drinking water, certain foods, and dental treatments can react with the brain aluminum, creating the neurotoxic fluoroaluminum combination. Studies have shown that fluoride also accumulates in the brain.

    The role of mercury in developmental brain damage

    Mercury also activates microglia and does so in concentrations below 0.5 microgram (3 to 5 nanograms) per gram of wet tissue [113]. This is well below the concentration found in Thimerosal-containing vaccines administered to children. Ethylmercury hydroxide, like its cousin methylmercury hydroxide, enters the brain very easily, but once within the brain it is rapidly de-ethylated, forming tissue-retained inorganic mercury (Hg2+) species [114]. There is evidence that this “inorganic” mercury is significantly more neurotoxic than the organic mercury compounds from which it forms and more difficult to remove. Studies using monkeys demonstrated that ionic mercury is redistributed in the brain [115]. These same series of studies also demonstrated that there was extensive microglial activation in the monkey’s brain that persisted over 6 months after the mercury dosing was stopped. Thus, when the plasma mercury disappears, the brain mercury remains [116].

    The preceding facts are important to remember when vaccine safety promoters tout findings of new studies showing that ethylmercury (in Thimerosal) disappears from the blood within several days. Actually, the mercury leaves the plasma and enters the brain, where it is de-ethylated and, based on human post-mortem research [174], remains with a half-life of about two decades. What is also conveniently hidden are the results of recent studies demonstrating that, within a short time, on average only about 7% of the methylmercury hydroxide administered orally was converted into brain-retained “inorganic” mercury; whereas 34% of the Thimerosal (ethylmercury compound) injected was similarly converted [117]. [Note: The value for “organic” mercury is calculated as the difference between the “total” mercury value and the “inorganic” mercury value based on sub-sample assays from a given homogenized sample. The two mercury assay procedures, “total” and “inorganic” only differ by the severity of the oxidation step used to liberate the mercury species – where the work-up for a “total” mercury determination is done under more severe conditions.] This means that a greater quantity of a more destructive form of mercury is retained in the brain following administration of a Thimerosal-containing vaccine than from the methylmercury compounds present in fish.

    Also consider that the vaccine-based mercury that was removed from the blood, enters the stool in high concentrations. Apparently, because little is excreted in the feces, this mercury can be reabsorbed through the colon, where it recirculates repetitively—meaning that with each cycle the mercury has access to the brain.

    Mercury has another link to this immune/excitotoxic reaction. A number of studies have shown that mercury, in submicromolar concentrations, interferes with the removal of glutamate from the extracellular space, where it causes excitotoxicity [118-120]. This removal system not only plays a very important role in protecting the brain, but also in preventing abnormal alterations in brain formation [121]. As you will recall, it is the carefully programmed rise and fall in glutamate levels in the brain that allow the brain’s pathways to develop and allow for proper development of its connections (called synaptogenesis).

    Mercury can also damage the brain is by interfering with its energy production. The mitochondria (the energy factory) of the neuron accumulate more mercury than any other part of the cell. It is known that interference with the neuron’s ability to produce energy, greatly magnifies its sensitivity to excitotoxicity— so much so, that even physiological concentrations of glutamate can become excitotoxic [124,125].

    One of the destructive reactions of both excitotoxicity and mercury toxicity is the generation of storms of free radicals and lipid peroxidation products. Essential to the protection of brain cells is the antioxidant enzymes (catalase, glutathione peroxidase, and SOD). Mercury poisons these protective enzymes.

    One of the most important protective systems is the glutathione molecule, which is present in every cell in the body. Mercury dramatically lowers glutathione levels by a number of mechanisms [126]. So, we see that mercury can greatly aggravate this entire destructive mechanism.

    As important role as mercury plays, it is not the lone essential element in this process. Rather, essential to this process is a combination of pre-existing or vaccine-induced immune dysfunction and excess immune stimulation by a crowded vaccine schedule. This is why autism will not go away, even if mercury were to be completely removed from all vaccines and other drugs. It is also important to appreciate that mercury can never be removed entirely from the picture because of the numerous sources of mercury in our environment, including but not limited to contaminated seafood, atmospheric mercury, and dental amalgams. However, were all use of mercury in medicine to be banned in the U.S. and all U.S.-approved drug products containing any level of any added mercury compound, including Thimerosal, to be recalled and destroyed, the overall incidence of autistic order should decline somewhat and the severity of the symptoms these cases exhibit should significantly decline.

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    [103] Good PF et al. Selective accumulation of aluminum and iron in the neurofibrilary tangles of Alzheimer’s disease: a laser microprobe (LAMMA) study. Ann Neurol 1992;31:286–92.
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    [105] Yokel RA et al. The distribution of aluminum into and out of the brain. J Inorg Biochem 1999;76:127–32.
    [106] Campbell A et al. Chronic exposure to aluminum in drinking water increases inflammatory parameters selectively in the brain. J Neuroscience Res 2004;75:565–72.
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    [114] Vahter ME et al. Demethylation of methylmercury in different brain sites of Macaca fascicularis monkeys during long-term subclinical methylmercury exposure. Toxicol Appl Pharmacol 1995;134:273–84.
    [115] Charleston JS et al. Changes in the number of astrocytes and microglia in the thalamus of the monkey Macaca fascicularis following long-term subclinical methylmercury exposure. Neurotoxicology 1996;17:127–38.
    [116] Charleston JS et al. Increase in the number of reactive glia in the visual cortex of Macaca fascicularis following subclinical long-term methylmercury exposure. Toxicol Appl Pharmacol 1994;129:196–206.
    [117] Burbacher TM et al. Comparison of blood and brain mercury levels in infant monkeys exposed to methylmercury or vaccines containing thimerosal. Environ Health Perspect 2005;113:1015–21.
    [118] Mutkus L et al. Methylmercury alters the in vitro uptake of glutamate and GLAST and GLT-1 transfected mutant CHO-K1 cells. Biol Trace Elem Res 2005;107:231–45.
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    Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry (JIB-08876)

    Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?

    Autism spectrum disorders (ASD) are serious multisystem developmental disorders and an urgent global public health concern. Dysfunctional immunity and impaired brain function are core deficits in ASD. Aluminum (Al), the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant, is a demonstrated neurotoxin and a strong immune stimulator. Hence, adjuvant Al has the potential to induce neuroimmune disorders. When assessing adjuvant toxicity in children, two key points ought to be considered: (i) children should not be viewed as “small adults” as their unique physiology makes them much more vulnerable to toxic insults; and (ii) if exposure to Al from only few vaccines can lead to cognitive impairment and autoimmunity in adults, is it unreasonable to question whether the current pediatric schedules, often containing 18 Al adjuvanted vaccines, are safe for children? By applying Hill’s criteria for establishing causality between exposure and outcome we investigated whether exposure to Al from vaccines could be contributing to the rise in ASD prevalence in the Western world. Our results show that: (i) children from countries with the highest ASD prevalence appear to have the highest exposure to Al from vaccines; (ii) the increase in exposure to Al adjuvants significantly correlates with the increase in ASD prevalence in the United States observed over the last two decades (Pearson r=0.92, pb0.0001); and (iii) a significant correlation exists between the amounts of Al administered to preschool children and the current prevalence of ASD in seven Western countries, particularly at 3–4 months of age (Pearson r=0.89–0.94, p=0.0018–0.0248). The application of the Hill’s criteria to these data indicates that the correlation between Al in vaccines and ASD may be causal. Because children represent a fraction of the population most at risk for complications following exposure to Al, a more rigorous evaluation of Al adjuvant safety seems warranted.

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  5. Chris
    February 14, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    I notice you didn’t actually answer 2) and 3), then turn around and ask questions yourself.

    I did. Go to PubMed and put in “vaccine safety” then look up the studies yourself. If is not my job to go over the stuff that has been hashed over on this site over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. And I am certainly not going to deal with the Gish Gallop you cut and pasted without understanding what it means, especially since none of them answer my questions.

    Also the cut and paste reveals you are not reading about the issues, and definitely not thinking for yourself. There is no methylmercury in any vaccine.

    The layman’s term for “macrophagic myofasciitis” is sore arm, read the linked paper “Macrophagic Myofasciitis in Children Is a Localized Reaction to Vaccination”. It is the same reason that skinned knees also become sore and inflamed. Are you now going to outlaw kids running and playing because they might fall and skin their knees? Are you also going to advocate that we remove all traces of aluminum from soil so it does not get into our food? (and don’t whine about the difference between injection and eating, your cut and paste included oral consumption of aluminum)

    Why are you still going on about thimerosal? If was removed from pediatric vaccines a decade ago. In fact, Sallie Bernard could not find a vaccine with thimerosal in 2001. So do tell us why she posted this plea on the Autism/Mercury Yahoo site:

    Subject: Thimerosal DTaP Needed
    From: Sally Bernard
    Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 00:01:50 -0400
    Yahoo! Message Number: 27456
    http://onibasu.com/archives/am/27456.html

    Hi all:

    A group of university-based researchers needs several vials of the older DTaP vaccine formulations which contained thimerosal for a legitimate research study. If anyone knows an MD who might have some of these vaccines or knows where to get them, please email me privately.

    Thank you.

    Sallie Bernard
    Executive Director
    Safe Minds

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  6. Richids
    February 15, 2012 at 9:09 am

    “There is no methylmercury in any vaccine.”

    Who said there was? If you’re having that much trouble following the conversation…

    “Why are you still going on about thimerosal? If was removed from pediatric vaccines a decade ago.”

    Yes, your typo says a lot, “if” – given that you get three doses of thimerosal, in utero, 6 months and 18 months, from the flu shot alone in every state outside of CA and even there it’s okay as long as WHO classifies a pandemic (Swine Flu for example).

    I understand fully the article that I have copied but a snippet of, I have spent hours reading it and the links that support it. But as you’ve said, you don’t understand what it means (if you read it again you’ll see what I did there), and it’s very clear why methyl mercury is mentioned…because vaccine apologists are quick to quip that ethyl mercury is removed from the body very quickly and can’t possibly pose any risks and that methyl mercury is more dangerous when several studies have proved the opposite, that more ethyl mercury by weight is converted to inorganic mercury in brain tissue where it does the most damage. You couldn’t ascertain that much from a quick scan of the article?

    I think you should change your name to Straw Man.

    “Also the cut and paste reveals you are not reading about the issues, and definitely not thinking for yourself.”

    Okie dokie, keep pasting links to Orac’s rants there Mr. Hypocrite.

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  7. Chris
    February 15, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    It was in the paper you cut and pasted. If you did not know that, you need to work on your reading.

    Now, please answer what the risks are between the DTaP vaccine versus diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis. Please answer in your own words, without cutting and pasting from a random website. Support your statements that DTaP vaccine caused more harm than those three bacterial diseases by posting the journal, date and title of the papers. Make sure they are relevant.

    Also answer why Sallie Bernard of SafeMinds had difficulty getting a version of the DTaP with thimerosal in 2001. Especially if you claim that the level presently in all of the DTaP vaccines causes harm (like the ones that say “free” on in this table).

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  8. Richids
    February 15, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    “It was in the paper you cut and pasted. If you did not know that, you need to work on your reading.”

    Please go ahead and COPY and PASTE the section where it says there is methyl mercury in vaccines. You don’t need to put it in your own words, but feel free to back up your acclaimed reading comprehension by showing us where it states that methyl mercury is found in vaccines. Clearly ONE of us had read the article, and the other has foot in mouth disease as well as showing themselves to be hypocritical by not being able to read themselves. Perhaps you don’t know the difference between ethyl mercury and methyl mercury, but even in the article you can read the difference by noting that one starts with an “m” and one starts with an “e”.

    At this point it should also be pointed out that you have answered two very specific questions by suggesting typing in the words “vaccine safety” in PubMed. Clearly you are fully aware that there are no such studies on PubMed that would address the very specific questions that were asked.

    Even the CDC acknowledges that there are still trace amounts of thimerosal in children’s vaccines, and that the MDV of the flu vaccine, which represents 70% of the market, contains ethyl mercury.

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  9. Chris
    February 15, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Oh, my apologies… it is the paper misinterpreting the actual evidence, especially the Burbacher paper:

    This is well below the concentration found in Thimerosal-containing vaccines administered to children. Ethylmercury hydroxide, like its cousin methylmercury hydroxide, enters the brain very easily, but once within the brain it is rapidly de-ethylated, forming tissue-retained inorganic mercury (Hg2+) species [114]. There is evidence that this “inorganic” mercury is significantly more neurotoxic than the organic mercury compounds from which it forms and more difficult to remove.

    [114] Vahter ME et al. Demethylation of methylmercury in different brain sites of Macaca fascicularis monkeys during long-term subclinical methylmercury exposure. Toxicol Appl Pharmacol 1995;134:273–84.
    [115] Charleston JS et al. Changes in the number of astrocytes and microglia in the thalamus of the monkey Macaca fascicularis following long-term subclinical methylmercury exposure. Neurotoxicology 1996;17:127–38.
    [116] Charleston JS et al. Increase in the number of reactive glia in the visual cortex of Macaca fascicularis following subclinical long-term methylmercury exposure. Toxicol Appl Pharmacol 1994;129:196–206.
    [118] Mutkus L et al. Methylmercury alters the in vitro uptake of glutamate and GLAST and GLT-1 transfected mutant CHO-K1 cells. Biol Trace Elem Res 2005;107:231–45.

    Interesting how the Burbacher paper is so prominent. He had to add thimerosal to the vaccines. The study was funded by SafeMinds. So how come Sallie Bernard had to ask for versions of the DTaP vaccine with thimerosal in 2001 if it still a danger in vaccines, more than a decade later?

    Bu

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  10. Richids
    February 15, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    What evidence is misinterpreted? Perhaps you’re confusing the terms.

    Ethyl Mercury > converts to inorganic mercury in the brain
    Methyl Mercury > converts to inorganic mercury in the brain

    Vaccine apologists like yourself claim ethyl mercury is removed quickly from the body. The evidence shows that is only the case if you conclude the brain is not part of the body. Ethyl Mercury actually crosses the blood brain barrier more easily than methyl mercury where it deposits much more inorganic mercury by weight, which then has a half life measured in years not days.

    Hope that helps clear it up for you.

    If you follow the recommended vaccine schedule then over 1/2 the vaccines you take in your lifetime will have mercury in them thanks to the flu vaccine alone.

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