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So Much More Than Just The History of Vaccines

July 13, 2012

I have been reading The History of Vaccines blog and referencing the website since it was first launched back in the fall of 2010.

Initially, the site appealed to me because I wanted to gain a better understanding about the history of vaccines.  I’m often concerned that the success of vaccines – in reducing the overall incidence of disease – can sometimes be a detriment in that it means some parents have not witnessed the dangerous diseases that we vaccinate for.  Subsequently, they may remain unconvinced that they need to continue to vaccinate themselves or their children in order to prevent what they consider to be relatively rare occurences.

One example occurred when I watched a recent episode of Pregnant in Heels. I had been alerted that the show’s host, Rosie, would be helping an expectant mother, Nia, who was not planning to vaccinate her newborn baby.  One of the explanations that Nia gave for not vaccinating her child was that she felt vaccines were “antiquated”.  She defended that statement by saying, “Who gets polio anymore?”  It was a shocking realization to me that many parents are just not that familiar with the history of diseases and the ways in which we have learned to prevent them through successful immunization.

This is why, almost two years after the launch of The History of Vaccines site, that I continue to refer people to this comprehensive resource.  The information they provide – in a clear, concise and easy to understand format – helps educate readers on more than just the history of vaccines.  For instance, there is an entire section devoted to parents that includes educational activities such as How Vaccines Work, Herd Immunity, How Vaccines Are Made, and Types of Vaccines

And what’s even better is that they have recently launched a Spanish version as well.  All their articles, most popular activities and their vaccine timeline are now available by clicking the Español tab from the main website, or through a separate landing page at www.historyofvaccines.org/es/content. Additionally, if readers are viewing an English resource that is also offered in Spanish, they will see a toggle button allowing them to choose the language that’s best for them.  Add to that the fact that the History of Vaccines is supporting a Spanish language Twitter account @historiavacunas, and it’s clear that this vaccine resource can be extremely helpful for Spanish-speaking providers and parents.

So, if you haven’t explored the History of Vaccines website, I encourage you to do so today.  And while you’re at it, please share the site with parents you know, who like Nia, may not have a thorough understanding of the history, and future impact, of vaccines.  You may even want to share what activities you found most interesting and why.

  1. Lawrence
    July 13, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    I hadn’t seen that before – what a great resource!

  2. Lara Lohne
    July 13, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Thank you, Christina, for providing this. I didn’t know about it either, but it’s good to know it’s out there!

  3. lilady
    July 16, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Terrific site and I’ve “bookmarked” it for future reference. Thanks.

  4. My3sons
    July 18, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    http://ethicalnag.org/2009/11/09/nejm-editor/. This is what I worry about…

  5. lilady
    July 18, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    My3sons: I visited your link and it is an outlet for every *Big Pharma* *Big Government conspiracist to vent…not really a very good site to make decisions about your childrens’ health.

    There are ample links on this blog to reliable websites where you can get *user friendly* information about vaccines and the serious, sometimes deadly, childhood diseases they prevent.

  6. my3sons
    July 18, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    I’m not referring to the link per say…I’m talking about the interview discussed, the one with the former editor of the NEJM, and what she says about pharma backed drugs studies. Doesn’t that raise any red flags? Here is an excerpt:

    Harvard Medical School’s Dr. Marcia Angell is the author of The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It. But more to the point, she’s also the former Editor-in-Chief at the New England Journal of Medicine, arguably one of the most respected medical journals on earth. But after reading her article in the New York Review of Books called Drug Companies & Doctors: A Story of Corruption, one wonders if any medical journal on earth is worth anybody’s respect anymore.

    “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”

    Dr. Angell cites the case of Dr. Joseph L. Biederman, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and chief of pediatric psychopharmacology at Harvard’s Massachusetts General Hospital. She explains:

    “Thanks largely to him, children as young as two years old are now being diagnosed with bipolar disorder and treated with a cocktail of powerful drugs, many of which were not approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for that purpose, and none of which were approved for children below ten years of age.”

    This is clearly unsettling, to me anyway, guess you don’t agree…

  7. Chris
    July 18, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Okay, my3sons, just list the studies of vaccines that you feel are compromised. You can start with Impact of anti-vaccine movements on pertussis control: the untold story and then these:

    Vaccine. 2012 Jun 13;30(28):4292-8. Epub 2012 Apr 20.
    The combined measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines and the total number of vaccines are not associated with development of autism spectrum disorder: The first case-control study in Asia.

    Vaccine. 2012 Jan 5;30(2):247-53.
    Lack of association between childhood immunizations and encephalitis in California, 1998-2008.

    Pediatrics Vol. 126 No. 2 August 1, 2010 (doi: 10.1542/peds.2009-1496)
    Lack of Association Between Acellular Pertussis Vaccine and Seizures in Early Childhood

    BMC Public Health. 2011 May 19;11:340.
    Congenital rubella syndrome and autism spectrum disorder prevented by rubella vaccination–United States, 2001-2010.

    Pediatrics. 2010 Jun;125(6):1134-41.
    On-time vaccine receipt in the first year does not adversely affect neuropsychological outcomes.

    Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2010 May;29(5):397-400.
    Lack of association between measles-mumps-rubella vaccination and autism in children: a case-control study.

    Pediatrics. 2009 Jun;123(6):1446-51.
    Parental refusal of pertussis vaccination is associated with an increased risk of pertussis infection in children.

    Pediatrics, February 2009, Vol. 123(2):475-82
    Neuropsychological Performance 10 years after Immunization in Infancy with Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines

    Tell us which of those are “Pharma” funded, and why these studies should not be trusted.

  8. my3sons
    July 18, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Reasonable doubt. That’s what I have…millions do. Big Pharma could be secretly involved with any of these, they lie and pay there way through the so called system. The system is corrupt and can’t be trusted. They admit to negligence and lies and get fined a pittance for it, a mere cost of doing business for them. After all, profits far exceed the fines they pay. More and more people are suspicious because of these relationships, the burden is on them, since they have already admitted guilt. Just curious if anything ever raises a red flag against science and pharma in this group, I see now it doesn’t. Just makes me wonder why…

  9. Chris
    July 18, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    my2sons, can you please answer my question with data, and not a conspiracy theory. Perhaps you should try this one:

    How much money would be saved if the MMR and DTaP vaccines were no longer given?

    Please be sure to provided verifiable documentation to support the assertion that there are big profits in vaccines, and less money would be spent if they were not given. Some examples:

    Pediatric hospital admissions for measles. Lessons from the 1990 epidemic. (did Medi-Cal save or spend twelve million dollars?)

    Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2005;159:1136-1144.
    Economic Evaluation of the 7-Vaccine Routine Childhood Immunization Schedule in the United States, 2001

  10. Lawrence
    July 19, 2012 at 10:07 am

    @sammy – OMG, gelatin? Really, you are complaining about gelatin? How about that the human body produces more formaldehyde as part of its normal metabolic process than is contained in all vaccines, combined?

    As far as the rest, you either have no idea what they are (other than the names are scary) or no idea as to the dosage – or that thimersol was never in many vaccines, has since been removed from most of the rest, and for the few that still have it, there are thimersol-free versions.

    The NVIC is nothing but a bunch of fear-mongering false-information.

  11. novalox
    July 19, 2012 at 11:14 am

    @sammy

    You do know that youtube testimonials do not count as evidence, right?

  12. Chris
    July 19, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Sammy, a couple suggestions:

    First take a basic biology and chemistry class. That will help you learn how to do research, and what the basics of the stuff you are trying scare everyone over.

    Second, take a basic class in cooking. You might actually encounter things on that scary list in a pantry. Things like gelatin and sucrose, plus a couple of the emulsifiers (one in that list is used in ice cream)

  13. Lara Lohne
    July 19, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Sammy,

    This is almost word for word the same thing you commented on another post. Repeating the same misinformation does not make it any less false, nor does it make you look any more intelligent. Since most of the people who read this blog, read all of the posts and comments, you are starting to look like a one trick pony. You even posted the same video link before, which again does not count as evidence, nor fact.

  14. Sammy
    July 19, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Yes this is copied from other blog as well just so you can see as dont know if you all read different threads or not.

    Im really not trying to scare anyone …your totally missing the point.
    Just another side of the coin.

    There are cases after cases who have actually had the vaccines & ended up a lot worse..autism & other disorders.
    Or ended up with measles later on in life, when vaccine wears off which could be 10times worse or death.
    Surely you can agree that this is extreme the amount of vaccines & doses 20-30 they pump out into young babies who are forming there own natural immunity.
    Im sorry but i think this amount is totally outrageous & many specialist agree & are taking a stand also!

    Young forming babies let alone a full grown adult do not need these, & they do not need all the Neuro-toxic ingredients that are in these vaccines. Which mind you do rapidly work there way into the bloodstream & head straight to the brain!
    Check them out for yourself from the chemical manufactures who have to legally supply the dangers & effects & precautions when using them. You will find that most if not all are listed as toxic to the skin, eyes & if inhaled or ingested. (LET ALONE INJECTED)
    Why do they need all these added in…simple they dont??
    Im not claiming to be an expert but i have done a lot of research right down to each drop & weighed up all sides. & yes you have to be discerning as there is a lot of misguiding information.

    Im just asking people to be more EMPOWERED & do the same & research more so they can make more empowered choices.

    Their are numerous books & articles & research documents (Science & Neuroscience) that shows more then enough evidence. Just have to search the right places.

    http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/ingredients.php

    Russell Blaylock MD, Neurosurgeon, ‘The Truth Behind the Vaccine Cover-Up’
    Boyd Haley PhD, Professor and Chair, Department of Chemistry, University of Kentucky
    Etc etc.

    Please look it out more thanks

  15. Lawrence
    July 19, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    @Sammy – since autism isn’t a side-effect of vaccines, you are full of it…..

  16. My3sons
    July 19, 2012 at 4:18 pm
  17. Chris
    July 19, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Sammy:

    Yes this is copied from other blog as well just so you can see as dont know if you all read different threads or not.

    So you don’t even think about what you cut and paste? Again, please go do some actual research by first learning some basic biology and chemistry. Then come back with the verifiable scientific evidence that the ingredients with the scary names are dangerous in the amount used in a vaccine.

    And here is a video for you. Punctuate yourself accordingly.

  18. Chris
    July 19, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    My3sons, so what? That ruling is worthless in both the world of science, and especially in the USA.

  19. Lawrence
    July 19, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    @My3sons – the last time an Italian Court ruled on Science, they blamed scientists for not predicting an Earthquake…..

    The ruling has already been noted as extremely flawed due to the judge considering evidence, such as Wakefield’s retracted study, that had already been discredited as “Bad Science.”

    Courts cannot rule on scientific fact – nothing out there links autism to vaccines, regardless of what you want to believe.

  20. My3sons
    July 19, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    MORE than reasonable doubt…

    The FDA has been corrupted, and patient safety is now in jeopardy. The New York Times has shown that the FDA used a vast spying network to punish its own doctors and scientists who reported dangerous “medical devices.”

    The FDA protects public health by testing new medical technology and deciding whether it is safe for public use. But when dangerous medical devices gained approval despite warnings about their safety, FDA doctors and scientists made the difficult decision to blow the whistle to proper authorities.

    A group of eleven distinguished FDA employees worked quietly to expose the threats to patient safety. They wrote letters to Congress and President Obama explaining how corrupt FDA managers had bypassed the normal product review process to gain approval for unsafe devices.

    The doctors and scientists mysteriously began to lose their jobs, and investigative reporting by the New York Times has revealed why.

    In response to employee concerns, the FDA developed a massive spying campaign. The agency used its resources not to evaluate concerns about patient safety, but instead to catalogue employee emails to Congress—and responses from Congressional staff. At the first excuse, any employee targeted by this program was fired.

    Brave FDA doctors and scientists risked their careers to protect patient safety, yet the agency’s leadership has remained silent. This silent approval continues now even after the media has exposed its corruption.

  21. Lawrence
    July 19, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    @my3sons – what does this have to do with decades of proven safety research from countries and institutions all over the globe?

  22. My3sons
    July 19, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Put the pieces together Lawrence… GSK admitting they lied about the safety and efficacy of certain drugs, FDA caught spying on and firing whistle-blowers who are looking out for public health, Former Editor of the NEJM speaking out about bogus scientific studies…it all creates reasonable doubt in consumers minds. That’s all.

  23. lilady
    July 19, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    Put the pieces together Lawrence…Teenage acne is rampant, the incidence of male-pattern baldness is at an all-time high and, global warming/destruction of the ozone shield is accelerating…since the addition of numerous childhood vaccines to the Recommended Childhood Immunization Schedule.

  24. My3sons
    July 19, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Fat chicks are usually funny, I guess you are the exception lillady! ;)

  25. Mick St. John
    July 19, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    My3sons…thank you for the information. It is very interesting.

  26. My3sons
    July 19, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    You are quite welcome John. :)

  27. Lawrence
    July 19, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    I am always amused when sock puppets talk to one another…….

  28. My3sons
    July 19, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    So THAT”S why you, Chris, and Lillady are always chatting…for ENTERTAINMENT! AAAAHHHH! lol ;)

  29. My3sons
    July 19, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    ooopps….better correct for the typo Gastapo Chris… meant THAT’S. hahahah

  30. Mick St. John
    July 19, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    @Lawrence are you talking to me?

  31. lilady
    July 19, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Do either of the neuronally-challenged sockies have anything to add to this blog….aside from the copy pasta ripped off from other websites? I don’t think so.

    I’m guessing that My 3 does the copying and Mick does the pasting.

  32. Mick St. John
    July 19, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Excuse me?

  33. Lara Lohne
    July 19, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Out of curiosity, if vaccines do cause autism, why do my 5 children who received all their vaccines on time not have it, where my youngest son who was not vaccinated on schedule does have it? Explain to me if vaccines cause autism why autism is not more widely spread seeing as how the vast majority of people in the world who have access to vaccines actually do get them? Explain to me also, how the rates of autism are not actually that far off in children newly diagnosed now as compared to adults also newly diagnosed who were skipped over when they were children because the DSM IV diagnostic criteria was not available then but it is now? There is much and more we don’t know about autism, but it has always been with us. Just because it didn’t have a name until the 1930’s doesn’t mean it didn’t exist. Cancer was always around too, but nobody knew what to call it until it was given a label. All of this new information we have is because of science, and science is what is going to teach us more. Your research methods are flawed and your logic has failed you if you truly believe that what you have read and accepted as truth is research into vaccines. I understand that the anti-vaccine sentiment is very compelling, from an emotional point of view, however, when it comes to scientific fact, you need to set your emotions aside because they are the opposite of logic.

  34. my3sons
    July 19, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Science can, has, and will be corrupted, faked, and falsified! Until they get $ out of science I will remain a pessimist! Good night all! You too Fat Lilady! ;)

  35. my3sons
    July 19, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    15 Science Journal Links Proving Asthma, Allergy, & Autism Links to Vaccines

    http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2012-07-16/15-science-journal-links-proving-asthma-allergy-autism-links-to-vaccines/

    I’m about to see what this has to offer…maybe you people will too and give your two cents. Crossing fingers! :)

  36. Chris
    July 19, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Okay, here goes:

    J Biomed Sci. 2002 Jul-Aug;9(4):359-64.
    Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism.
    Singh VK, Lin SX, Newell E, Nelson C.

    Clin Immunol Immunopathol. 1998 Oct;89(1):105-8.
    Serological association of measles virus and human herpesvirus-6 with brain autoantibodies in autism.
    Singh VK, Lin SX, Yang VC.

    Singh is a friend of Wakefield, and did so much bad science he is basically now just selling a supplement based on Fudenberg’s transfacter stuff.

    Med Hypotheses. 2011 Dec;77(6):940-7. Epub 2011 Oct 10.
    Hypothesis: conjugate vaccines may predispose children to autism spectrum disorders.

    Look up the word “hypotheses.” The author is not affiliated with any research organization and is just making a guess.

    J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 2000 Feb;23(2):81-90.
    Effects of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis or tetanus vaccination on allergies and allergy-related respiratory symptoms among children and adolescents in the United States.

    Why would a physical therapy journal publish about vaccines? It looks like this paper was rejected from more relevant journals. Why should we believe more than this one in Vaccine (it was on the related articles sidebar):
    Vaccine. 2006 Mar 15;24(12):2035-42. Epub 2005 Nov 28.
    Diphtheria tetanus pertussis poliomyelitis vaccination and reported atopic disorders in 8-12-year-old children.

    Br Med J. 1958 July 5; 2(5087): 24–27.
    PMCID: PMC2025848
    Neurological Complications of Pertussis Immunization

    They dragged out a paper that is over fifty years old? Seriously? Don’t you think that the DTaP is a bit more modern?

    J Toxicol Environ Health A. 2010;73(24):1665-77.
    Hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and autism diagnosis, NHIS 1997-2002.

    A student paper that has many statistical flaws.

    J Inorg Biochem. 2011 Nov;105(11):1489-99. Epub 2011 Aug 23.
    Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?

    And there is a reason that this is in a journal that has no relation to biology (inorganic chemistry), it is also very bad.

    Will continue shortly since I used two links.

  37. Chris
    July 19, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Continuing…

    J Inorg Biochem. 2009 Nov;103(11):1555-62. Epub 2009 Aug 20.
    Aluminum hydroxide injections lead to motor deficits and motor neuron degeneration.

    Another paper from the eye doctor published in an odd journal (ooops, it is biochem… sorry about the boo boo earlier). It is a mouse study, and are they really equivalent to human ALS patients?

    Curr Med Chem. 2011;18(17):2630-7.
    Aluminum vaccine adjuvants: are they safe?

    Same eye doctor, who is a anti-vaccine guy (and an associate of Wakefield). It is not even a study, it is just an opinion piece by him.

    Neurochem Res. 2011 Jun;36(6):927-38. Epub 2011 Feb 25.
    Integrating experimental (in vitro and in vivo) neurotoxicity studies of low-dose thimerosal relevant to vaccines.

    Another opinion piece, calling for more research. Now, my3sons, which vaccines on the American pediatric schedule are only available with thimerosal. Do not include influenza, because of the eight approved for children at least four are thimerosal free.

    Int J Toxicol. 2004 Nov-Dec;23(6):369-76.
    Neurodevelopmental disorders following thimerosal-containing childhood immunizations: a follow-up analysis.
    Geier D, Geier MR.

    Seriously? From the guys who claim to cure kids by chemically castrating them with Lupron! So how is Dr. Geier’s medical license doing lately?

    Neurochem Res. 2010 Nov;35(11):1840-7. Epub 2010 Aug 28.
    Neonatal administration of thimerosal causes persistent changes in mu opioid receptors in the rat brain.

    Behav Brain Res. 2011 Sep 30;223(1):107-18. Epub 2011 Apr 28.
    Persistent behavioral impairments and alterations of brain dopamine system after early postnatal administration of thimerosal in rats.

    Neurochem Res. 2012 Feb;37(2):436-47. Epub 2011 Oct 21.
    Administration of thimerosal to infant rats increases overflow of glutamate and aspartate in the prefrontal cortex: protective role of dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate.

    Rats! It is in rats… and I hope my3sons will come up with which pediatric vaccine in the USA is available that is not thimerosal free.

    The last one is an opinion piece by Ayoub and Yazbak. I see no reason to respect or even believe the opinions of a person who believes the Illuminati are real, and another one who thinks it is okay dokay to keep a man who shook his girlfriend’s baby to death out of jail.

    Now, my3sons, answer my question about which pediatric vaccines in the USA are only available with thimerosal. And then go through the list of papers I posted to you earlier on July 18, 2012 at 5:08 pm, and explain why they are inferior to the ones I just looked at.

  38. Chris
    July 19, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    More on this one:

    Med Hypotheses. 2011 Dec;77(6):940-7. Epub 2011 Oct 10.
    Hypothesis: conjugate vaccines may predispose children to autism spectrum disorders.

    The author is a lawyer. So, really, look up the word “hypotheses.”

  39. novalox
    July 19, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    @my3sons

    Guess since you resort to ad hominems when asked questions, you admit that you have lost the argument, and admit that you are a closed-mind individual.

    But please, do keep trying to inset puerile insults at posters here. Show the world your true colors.

  40. Mick St. John
    July 20, 2012 at 12:09 am

    @novalox. It’s Lawrence and lilady that showed their true colors. I found this blog via a bill board and then to a website that lead me here. I was curious because we just had a new baby and my wife doesn’t want vaccinations and I wondered why, so I was trying to do some research. The moment I came on this site insults were thrown at me by those two. I’ve lost respect for the supporters of this site and will be finding my information elsewhere. Good luck spreading your message with those attitudes. Lost all respect.

  41. Quokka
    July 20, 2012 at 12:18 am

    Mick – instead of being concerned about the tone of commentors please take the time to read the information they provided. Surely it is more important that you get the relevant information than you make friends with the person that provided it.

    BTW you thanked someone being abusive and providing people with nonsense information and conspiracy theories – a standard sock puppet strategy used against professionals like Lawrence and Lilady who provide evidence regularly on evidence based medicine blogs so surely you can understand why you were questioned.

    Good luck with protecting the bub from vaccine preventable illnesses.

  42. Chris
    July 20, 2012 at 12:23 am

    Mick St. John, can you please tell me which vaccine on the American pediatric schedule is only available with thimerosal? Is there one I missed on the list I linked to?

  43. novalox
    July 20, 2012 at 8:16 am

    @mick st. john

    I don’t know what you have been reading, but when someone calls a poster a “fat chick” and calls another poster part of the “Gestapo”, it usually menas that they aren’t looking for a serious debate.

    Unless you see something I don’t see, Lawrence and lilady haven’t said anything insulting. So please, stop tone trolling.

  44. Mick St. John
    July 20, 2012 at 9:52 am

    @Quokka….worried about tone? They insulted me for no reason! BTW…I was in the process of thanking my3sons at the same time he mentioned the fat chick comment….his comment beat mine.
    @Chris…have no idea what you are talking about?
    @novalox…on the contrary Law and lil both insulted me, or don’t you call those insults? And I belive you just insulted me….trolling? what is trolling?
    All ya all are seem a little nutso to me and definitely not a credible bunch to learn anyhting from. I will be posting reviews of this blog.

  45. novalox
    July 20, 2012 at 10:53 am

    @mick st. john

    So, if you are not here for informed debate, you’re just here to troll then. Thanks for affirming in the positive then.

    Once again, I ask, where is the insults? Show them, because I don’t see them.

  46. Mick St. John
    July 20, 2012 at 11:07 am

    @novalox

    I didn’t come here to debate…I came here for information. “sock puppets” “copy and paste”…thoe seem like insults to me….trolling also sounds like an insult but I’m not sure what that is. You all sound like robots and not real people.

  47. my3sons
    July 20, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Below are the nasty and condescending comments by all of you FIRST! I retaliated with my own nasty comments. This is what you people do here…people come with questions and doubts and you mock their intelligence and smack down any questions they may have. This tactic DOES NOT WORK! Try educating in a kind gentle manner and you may actually get somewhere. I came here with doubts and questions because of all the recent news stories I am reading about (mentioned above) and you automatically dismiss and mock those doubts and questions. Just read another one this morning about how the Flu vx can cause Guillaume Barr Syndrome, found in a Canadian study. But go figure the NEJM study conducted in 2/11 says there is no link to the Flu vx…WHAT A SHOCKER! Remember my question earlier about doubting the validity of the studies that come out of the NEJM because the former editor was interviewed and said big pharma owns these publications and pays for studies to come out in their favor. PEOPLE EVERYWHERE HAVE DOUBTS, FACT! These companies are admitting to FRAUD, FACT! You just can’t hide it anymore…the system is corrupt! People are waking up, reading, and asking questions. You better be on your game people because it’s all coming out!

    Lawrence
    July 19, 2012 at 3:11 pm | #15
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    @Sammy – since autism isn’t a side-effect of vaccines, you are full of it…..

    Chris
    July 19, 2012 at 4:31 pm | #17
    Quote

    Sammy:

    Yes this is copied from other blog as well just so you can see as dont know if you all read different threads or not.

    So you don’t even think about what you cut and paste? Again, please go do some actual research by first learning some basic biology and chemistry. Then come back with the verifiable scientific evidence that the ingredients with the scary names are dangerous in the amount used in a vaccine.

    And here is a video for you. Punctuate yourself accordingly.

    lilady
    July 19, 2012 at 6:13 pm | #23
    Quote

    Put the pieces together Lawrence…Teenage acne is rampant, the incidence of male-pattern baldness is at an all-time high and, global warming/destruction of the ozone shield is accelerating…since the addition of numerous childhood vaccines to the Recommended Childhood Immunization Schedule.

  48. Lawrence
    July 20, 2012 at 11:24 am

    @Mick – while potentially overly harsh, your “thanking” of My3sons for this “information” is a common tactic of anti-vaccination trolls that come here not for any education, but instead to throw out the party line on the evils of vaccination.

    If you are truly interested in learning more about the overall safety and efficacy of vaccinations, there is plenty of good information out there from the CDC – and I always recommend Todd’s anti-anti-vaccination website: http://antiantivax.flurf.net/

    It addresses the common misunderstands & misleading information information that anti-vaccine groups put out to try to scare parents into not vaccinating. You and your wife have been able to grow up during a time where common childhood diseases that would routinely kill or main significant numbers of children are now almost gone – it was vaccines that helped make this possible.

    Unfortunately, it is the very success of the vaccine program that has allowed us to forget how bad these diseases were – and we should never put ourselves in a position where they make a return (one only needs to look at the explosion of measles cases in Europe to see the results of anti-vaccine views).

    One dead child from a vaccine preventable diseases is one too many, and we’ve seen more than that – which is a tragedy.

  49. novalox
    July 20, 2012 at 11:54 am

    @my3sons

    And calling someone fat and antoehr poster a member of the “gestapo” isn’t an insult? YOu also do know that you were the first one to throw insults, right?

    Also, [citation needed] for your post.

  50. Chris
    July 20, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Mick St. John:

    @Chris…have no idea what you are talking about?

    It is a question I asked because of the all the hand wringing about thimerosal in vaccines (see list of papers I reviewed for My3sons). Now I want you to tell me which vaccines for children in the USA are only available with thimerosal. Just name the vaccine, and then we will go over to this list and see if that vaccine actually contains thimerosal, and that there is not another brand without thimerosal.

    What is so difficult about that?

    So please, Mr. St. John, answer the question.

  51. Chris
    July 20, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    …. and Mick St. John, it is also a question to help with your research. So if you are reading on certain websites you real all of the scaremongering about thimerosal, this is to get you to find out if it is actually true.

  52. Chris
    July 20, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    My3sons, Sammy admitted she/he was just cutting and pasting. Sammy demonstrates a basic lack of educational acumen with the random punctuation, so I was suggesting that she/he expand his/her knowledge by taking some basic classes.

    I could also provide that advice to you. If someone is going to keep telling us to “do research” they should have demonstrated that they can also do research beyond reading certain websites. Since your “research” brings up papers that seem to go on and on and on about thimerosal, I want you to actually tell us which vaccines kids get that must have thimerosal. And it is also why I want you to post the original research in the form of the title, journal and dates of the PubMed indexed studies.

    Now, have you tried to go through the list of papers I gave you? I went through your list, so please have the courtesy to honestly answer my questions.

    And here is another question: If thimerosal is such an evil in 2012, can you tell us why SafeMinds had trouble finding a DTaP with thimerosal over ten years ago? See:

    Subject: Thimerosal DTaP Needed
    From: Sally Bernard
    Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 00:01:50 -0400
    Yahoo! Message Number: 27456
    http://onibasu.com/archives/am/27456.html

    Hi all:

    A group of university-based researchers needs several vials of the older DTaP vaccine formulations which contained thimerosal for a legitimate research study. If anyone knows an MD who might have some of these vaccines or knows where to get them, please email me privately.

    Thank you.

    Sallie Bernard
    Executive Director
    Safe Minds

  53. Lara Lohne
    July 20, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    @my3sons,

    You didn’t actually come here looking for information or seeking to ask any questions. From the first comment your attitude was hostile, derogatory and obvious to those with any experience dealing with an anti-vaccine activist, very anti-vaccine. Nothing anybody has said to you was condescending or nasty in any of those comments you provided. We are also not meek sheep to take the hostility hefted upon us by anti-vaccine people either. If we feel your tone is antagonistic, we are going to put up our defenses, that would be the case in anything else where there are strong opposing views. You were the first to make personal attacks on people who you don’t know, simply because they will not accept your misinformation as anything worthy of their time and have refuted everything you have provided.

    @Mick St. John,

    If you truly came here looking for information, then that information is in the post, the comments are just the gravy on top of the meat. I honestly do hope that you will seek reputable sources for your information and I hope your wife can be persuaded to have your children vaccinated.

    I can speak to you as a child who grew up in an anti-vaccine family and suffered through diseases that were preventable and the lasting damage they have caused. But words are wind (yeah, I’m a fan of “Song of Ice and Fire’) so don’t take my word for it, or anyone else’s. Seek reputable sources for your research and information and please know that a strong tactic of the anti-vaccine groups are to give half truths and twist those to their own end, to rely not on fact and science but emotion and personal anecdotes which are not evidence and oft times can be misrepresented or misunderstood since most of those relating their experiences are doing so many years after the fact and their stories have changed dramatically over those many years and many time the damage they claim from a vaccine was diagnosed by them, not a health care provider because they never took their child to see a doctor, which to me is highly suspect because if my child passed out and had seizures, I wouldn’t just put him to bed and let him sleep, I’d take him to the emergency room as quickly as I could get there. None of them are medical experts, none of them have any background in biology, chemistry, epidemiology or any other science that deals with viruses and pathogens and their dangers, nor with vaccine development, testing or monitoring. Many times the statistics they provide are also grossly inflated to their own end.

    Here are things you need to be aware of, pertussis can kill infants, even in older children suffering through it is torture and damage can result that will last a life time, measles kills, rubella causes sterility, all of these have a significant potential to cause encephalitis which can cause mental retardation and other problems including autism. Measles causes blindness, meningitis causes deafness and on and on it goes. The risk carried by vaccines is significantly lower, someone once used the phrase many orders of magnitude lower, then the risk of damage and death from disease. I look forward to the day when we don’t need to vaccinate anymore because the diseases we vaccinate for now have been eradicated, just as vaccinating eradicated small pox and we no longer need to be vaccinated for it today. The only way that will happen is to keep the vaccines that prevent these disease high so the pathogens are unable to spread and spread and spread. I am not anti vaccine, although I was at one time, before I got away from the overwhelming fear that vaccines would damage and kill me, and especially after suffering permanent damage from a vaccine preventable disease (I won’t even talk about the suffering through the diseases I did because it isn’t something I like to remember). I am anti-disease. We no longer have to suffer through these diseases, and these diseases can cause real, permanent harm, including harm to immune function. Vaccines prevent these diseases and those who are vaccinated protect those who are unable to be vaccinated (infants too young, people on chemotherapy, with immune disorders, organ transplant recipients, etc). I really do hope you will seek fact about vaccines, emotion has no place in science, regardless of how compelling it may be.

  54. My3sons
    July 21, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Even Merck’s own employees are willing to tell it like it is, but not one of you here is even the least bit suspicious of big pharma…

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/100678065/Merck-Reps-Comments-1#fullscreen

  55. Chris
    July 21, 2012 at 9:53 am

    My3sons, there is a reason we ask for a specific kind of citation, and press releases do not qualify. Especially from a biased group that tends to muck up the science. You have yet to tell me how the list of papers I listed were written by pharmaceutical companies (I am sure that those public health entities would like to know), and yet you provide cites from less than reputable sources.

    As I recall the many of the papers that were a website you posted and wanted us to give our “two cents” about were scaremongering about thimerosal. So, again, I am going to ask you which of the vaccines on the American pediatric schedule are only available with thimerosal.

  56. My3sons
    July 21, 2012 at 11:39 am

    You are kidding about me proving that they were not written by big pharma right? They HIDE the fact that they pay off, threaten, or bully into doctoring the results in their favor! That’s the point! They have admitted to such in court, and paid fines for it!!!!

    AND 4 out of 16 studies are related to thimerosol, 25%…hardly what could be categorized as MANY.

    Did you read any of those comments from Merck employees regarding Guardasil? Start at comment #33 and read on…they ADMIT it causes damage!

    All I was looking for from you people was a modicum of doubt, because that would prove (to me anyway) that you objectively look at this issue. BUT… you do not. You fight tooth and nail and NEVER concede even when these companies admit to fraud. It just speaks about your motives and character, much like the execs at Merck, as their own employees are even decent enough to call out on their despicable behavior.

    Don’t bother responding, you people couldn’t have an independent thought if your lives depended on it!

  57. Chris
    July 21, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Again, I want you to show me how those public health agencies were funded by Big Pharma in Impact of anti-vaccine movements on pertussis control: the untold story without resorting to a conspiracy theory.

    I am not going to read a poorly copied press release from SaneVax.

    But I am willing to read the answer to this question; Which vaccines on the American pediatric schedule are only available with thimerosal.

  58. My3sons
    July 21, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Listen Ms. Roboto…where did I ever state vx on the APS were only available with thimerosal??? I said “I just found this site and was going to see what it had to offer!” I never said I agreed with any of it! You seem too defensive to even read things correctly. Always ready to jump down someone’s throat with a rebuttal. Well, I am NOT interested. I stated in my last comment what I was looking for and I found it. That’s all folks! All done here. :)

  59. lilady
    July 21, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    That’s all folks! All done here. :)

    Make sure you stick the flounce.

  60. Chris
    July 21, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    If you read what I wrote, you will notice that many of those papers were about thimerosal. It even included a paper by a father and son team who claim to cure “mercury” toxicity with Lupron, a drug that chemical castrates men. And it was at least five papers, six if you count the Ayoub/Yazbak piece. Just the fact that they were included ten years after thimerosal was removed shows that there is very little regard for veracity. I would say that “site you just found” was not to be trusted.

    So why won’t you answer my simple question? Is it just too hard to admit that the “research” you are using is not reliable.

    And you won’t even tell me how the authors of the papers I posted are in the thrall of Big Pharma. Here, I will give you the affiliations that is on the first paper of the first paper I listed:
    Gangarosa International Health Foundation and Rollins School of Public Health, Emory University, Atlanta, GA, USA
    World Health Organization, Geneva,Switzerland
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Georgia (GA), USAPHLS Communicable Disease Surveillance Centre, London, UK

    Just show us with actual data that they are not be trusted. And that does not mean scribd copy of a random forum discussion.

  61. novalox
    July 21, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    @my3sons
    Amusing that you accuse posters here of not having any independent thinking, when you are repeating the same old anti-vaccine canards and pseudoscience that we have heard for years and years.

  62. Chris
    July 21, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    And when I try to prod both My3sons and Mr. St. John to actually do independent research by getting the information to answer my questions, they get upset.

    If My3sons was actually doing any independent thinking, he/she would already know that several of the papers from the article originally from “The Refusers” were at least ten years out of scaremongering date.

  63. Mick St. John
    July 23, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    @Chris….as I mentioned I don’t know much about it and came here for information. I’m not sure who you think you are by demanding I do research to answer “your” questions. I was upset about being insulted. You’ve got a long ways to go and a lot to learn in life – good luck with that.

  64. Chris
    July 23, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    If you wish to learn more then you will click on the links in my posts, that will assist in your research. In fact one link has the answer to one of my questions. You can also actually explore the website that is the subject of this article, the History of Vaccines site. That is an excellent source of information. Much better than comments from strangers in the internet.

    I am sorry that asking you questions and providing references insults you. One suggestion to find the papers I posted without links is to go to http://www.pubmed.gov and put their titles into the search box.

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