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Why Infants Should Receive the Hepatitis B Vaccine at Birth

May 6, 2010

By Christine Vara

In honor of Hepatitis Awareness Month

Recently, there has been some interesting discussion in the media regarding the Hepatitis B vaccine.  The CDC suggests that this vaccine be administered to infants soon after birth and before hospital discharge.   Parents, who are often uninformed regarding the risks of contracting this disease or the chronic long-term effects of liver failure, cirrhosis, and liver cancer that come from being infected, may question why their infant needs to receive a vaccination at such a young age.  As a parent to five children myself, I too wondered why it was so important to begin vaccinating my child before they had even left the hospital.

During the recent airing of the PBS Frontline piece entitled, “The Vaccine War,” one parent defended her anti-vaccine views by questioning why her newborn child would need a vaccine against a sexually transmitted disease.  This comment, as well as many other misconceptions I have read and heard recently, explains the need for public education regarding the risks of the hepatitis B virus (HBV). Once parents understand the unique risks that this virus poses to their infant child, I hope they will vaccinate them at birth to protect their children from a disease that can have chronic effects later in life.

According to information provided by the Immunization Action Coalition and the CDC, an estimated 1.25 million people are chronically infected with the hepatitis B virus in the United States alone, resulting in an estimated 2,000-4,000 deaths each year.  Surprisingly, 30%-40% of these chronic infections were acquired during childhood.  This fact alone presents a compelling case for vaccinating infants – before they become infected.

Parents need to understand that the hepatitis B virus can be spread by infectious blood and body fluids, and not solely through sexual contact.  As a parent myself, I can recall countless times that I have tended to children, both my own and others, who have suffered scrapes, cuts, nose bleeds and even bites from frustrated playmates.  These are realistic opportunities for exposure since the CDC has stated that the virus remains viable and infectious in the environment for at least 7 days and can remain present in inanimate objects absent of visible blood. Since only 7 out of 10 infected adults show any signs or symptoms, and infected children under age 5 rarely show any symptoms at all, it is obvious how the infected population can easily, and unknowingly, be transmitting the disease to others.

One of the issues that Deborah Wexler, from the Immunization Action Coalition, addresses is that many of those who become infected with the hepatitis B virus contract the disease from their unknowingly infected mother at birth.   Dr. Wexler explains, “There are so many parents and healthcare professionals who think this vaccine is wrongly given at birth for an STD that might be acquired later in life.   But the most important reason for it is to prevent HBV infection early in life with the possible life-long complications  of chronic disease in the form of liver failure and liver cancer that affect so many who are infected at birth.  I wish this message were more broadly disseminated, but it is a difficult message to discuss due to its complexity, the need to explain how medical errors might occur and why testing isn’t infallible, or how exposures could occur in an infant.”

While OBGYNs suggest the mother be tested prior to delivery, there are many instances when this does not occur, or when it is possible that the mother contracts the disease in the period after testing, but before birth.  Properly identifying infected mothers is complicated since there can be errors in test ordering, result interpretation or even test inaccuracy.  Therefore, administering the first dose of the hepatitis B vaccine soon after birth minimizes the risk for infection from the mother or from other infected persons who may be living in the household.  Additionally, the hepatitis B vaccine can actually help prevent infection in infants who are born from mothers with the virus in their blood. This serves as another important fact to support vaccinating your child according to the recommended schedule.

Studies also indicate that the long-term chronic health issues related to this virus, such as liver failure, cirrhosis, and liver cancer, are directly related to when a person is first infected.  For example, 90% of infants who are infected will ultimately develop chronic symptoms later in life, however, when the illness is contracted at an older age, the chronic effects are less prominent.  Only 30% of children age 1-5 who contract hepatitis B will go on to develop these chronic issues.  Once again, these figures demonstrate the benefit of starting infants on the multi-dose vaccination series as soon as possible after birth in order to provide the greatest preventative effect on the population.

Perhaps you have other concerns or information to share regarding the hepatitis B virus.  Feel free to comment here or respond with a question so that you can be part of the conversation.

  1. Jeff Zaref
    May 6, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    I have an educational point I tell to all my parents: our blood supply is screened, but it is not perfect, and one can contract Hep B from a transfusion. I have a 9 mo old patient who was accidentally dropped by her mother while walking down the basement stairs. The child sustained a splenic laceration but luckily did not require surgery or intervention or TRANSFUSION. But if this child had been unvaccinated, there would have been a measurable risk of Hep B transmission if she received a transfusion. Hep B is not only an STD, life presents its own risks and patients need to be informed but smart consumers.

  2. May 7, 2010 at 11:25 am

    good point.

  3. May 11, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Ms. Vara’s article is very well-written and I am glad that someone is presenting an educated discussion about the importance of getting the hepatitis B birth dose. In honor of hepatitis awareness month Hep B Moms is hosting the “Hep B Stops with Me” photo contest. Moms can pledge to vaccinate their children and enter to win free baby clothing! Visit http://www.hepbmoms.org to enter.

  4. christinevara
    May 12, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Dr. Chao, Thank you for referring readers to the Hep B Moms website. I found the site to be a helpful resource, not just for moms, but for providers as well. Hopefully, through education, more and more people will see the importance of getting the Hepatitis B birth dose.

  5. david burd
    May 21, 2010 at 7:09 am

    Ms. Vara, From your piece: “Only 30% of children age 1-5 who contract hepatitis B will go on to develop these chronic issues. ”

    And: “Properly identifying infected mothers is complicated –”

    From my exhaustive reading of Hep B, mortality may come about at age 45+ and much older, but most mortality is among alcoholics and drug addicts who can’t kick their addictions.

    Also, the vase majority of Hep B cases clear themselves naturally, with no medicine intervention (clearly stated by CDC). And, it is also clear that treatment drugs may cause iatrogenic death.

    France quickly dropped its Hep B vaccinations for kids after serious and/or lethal reactions were recorded in significant numbers. I know of no other country that advocates universal Hep B vaccinations – yet IF the mother is an active Hep B case then it is considered.

    Testing a pregnant mother-to-be is very easy, and I disagree with your contorted rationale on this specific testing subject.

    The potential and recorded tragic outcomes from the Hep B vaccine injected into such young, immature systems is real. And your article doesn’t address this at all .

  6. May 24, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    When infants or very young children contract hepatitis B virus infection, the likelihood is great that they will become chronic carriers of this disease. 90% of infants who get infected with hepatitis B virus in the first year of life will become chronically infected with the disease, and 25% of those infants will die of liver failure or liver cancer starting as early as the second decade of life. This infection rarely goes away on its own when the youngest children are infected (unlike adults where ~95% eventually clear the virus). Infants who are infected are almost always infected for life.

    This is a completely preventable disease and infants and young children can be protected by early vaccination with hepatitis B vaccine.

    Contrary to what is written by Mr. Burd, there are more than 150 countries in the world that promote hepatitis B vaccination and most of them are at birth. Here is a quote from the WHO website:

    Hepatitis B vaccine for infants was introduced nationwide in 177 countries (including in parts of India and the Sudan) by the end of 2008, up from 171 countries in 2007. Global hepatitis B vaccine coverage is estimated at 69% and is as high as 89% in the Western Pacific and 88% in the Americas. Coverage in the South-East Asia Region increased from 29% to 41%, over the same period.

    Here is the link:
    http://www.who.int/immunization/newsroom/GID_english.pdf

    Hundreds of errors have been documented in medical settings with respect to hepatitis B testing. Here’s a summary article about some of these documented cases:
    http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2062.pdf

    The tragic outcomes of babies becoming chronically infected and dying of later in life of chronic hepatitis B complications is well documented. I have not heard of or read a single case in the medical literature of babies dying from being administered hepatitis B vaccine.

    Hepatitis B vaccine is safe and effective with more than a billion doses already having been administered throughout the world. No one should be hesitant to be protected or to protect their children from this potentially deadly disease. If you would like to read case reports of children and adults who have suffered the consequences of chronic hepatitis B infection, read Unprotected People Reports on our website at http://www.immunize.org/reports/hepatitisb.asp

    Deborah L. Wexler, MD
    Executive Director
    Immunization Action Coalition

  7. Libby
    May 26, 2010 at 9:07 am

    I don’t see in the article how an infant or child contracts Hepatitis B other than blood or saliva?
    Toilet seats? Sharing food?
    How are childern getting Hepatitis B?
    You have not convinced me that an infant needs this shot unless the mother is infected.

  8. Jeff Zaref
    May 26, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Libby, read my post at the top — the first response to this article.

  9. Maddie's Mom
    June 13, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    An infant’s immune system is not ready to handle this sort of attack. Have you researched the ingredients in the Hep B shot? OMG nasty horrible stuff. There is also a SIDS connection due to swelling in the brain from the shot. Only babies w/infected mothers should be considered for this vaccine. Even my child’s Pedi said it was smart when we skipped this vaccine for our kids.

  10. Hep B mom
    October 23, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    My son has chronic Hep B. He got it at birth from his birth mother. There are thousands of other young children like him in daycares, at playgrounds and playgroups, running and playing and falling and bleeding and knocking into other children, your children. That’s what kids do. That is how your children can be exposed to Hep B. It’s here in your community, at your daycare, sitting next to your child. We are not required to tell you our son’s health status. Don’t assume you live in a bubble.

  11. Kim
    October 26, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Well said, David Burd!
    Infants are not in a risk group for Hepititis B, let alone a two day old newborn. Perhaps, it should be considered if you are delivering in a crack house.
    There is no way you can convince me that injecting these toxins is safe.
    It is as reckless to give only one-sided information as it is to take that information and not educate yourself as a parent and make decisions on blind-faith.
    Our society is asleep at the wheel on the vaccine issue – we need to wake up, educate ourselves for the future of our children.

  12. Chris
    October 27, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Kim, here is a lovely story about a daughter by her father.

  13. jessica
    August 1, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Agreed! There are too many vaccinations forced upon us and our children and many are given even if there is no chance of the individual getting the disease, for example the eye ointment given to infants to prevent a reaction to gonorrhea. Why on earth do I have to subject my child to an ointment that can cause blindness when there is absolutely no way he can contract the illness??!! I am pregnant with my first child so I have been researching all of these mandatory shots and I am appalled! The information that I have found makes me not trust doctors. I second guess everything they say now.

  14. Twyla
    February 28, 2012 at 1:52 am
  15. Chris
    February 28, 2012 at 3:11 am

    Why did you comment on an old thread instead of the current one, http://shotofprevention.com/2012/02/27/why-hepatitis-b-vaccine-is-not-a-lifestyle-vaccine ?

    And if Mr. Belkin wishes to make an issue of his daughter’s very tragic death, he should be willing to release the medical records:

    Like many stories in the anti-vaccine movement, though, Belkin’s is murkier than it may seem to true believers—and he doesn’t make it easy to verify crucial details.

    Which follows later in the article:

    Yet it soon becomes even more apparent that there are a lot of unanswered questions about his portrayal of Lyla’s death and its aftermath. Asked, for instance, if he is sure that the medical examiner talked to Merck before switching her assessment of Lyla’s death, he says: “I think so. I told her to.” In other words, Belkin’s allegation is based on nothing more than his own suggestion to the examiner, prompted by his suspicions about the vaccine.

    He’s also not sure, now that he’s asked about it, whether it was the examiner or, as seems more likely, the police who came to his apartment looking for evidence of child abuse. “I don’t know . . . somebody . . . don’t ask me,” he says.

    Most crucially of all, Belkin says he doesn’t know where the pediatrician’s notes are that prove that the examiner initially determined that Lyla had a swollen brain. “You have to take my word for it,” he says.

    Later, asked whether he would consent to having the case file from the examiner’s office released to Seattle Weekly, he declines. “To me, it’s a very invasive and intrusive request,” he says, questioning the Weekly’s “fixation” with Lyla’s death. “To me, it’s not the story.”

    Anyway, it always comes down to data. The plural of anecdote is not data, especially if you cannot even keep the details of the anecdote straight. Which probably explains why Twyla decided to post this anecdote on an article written well over year ago.

  16. Twyla
    February 28, 2012 at 4:03 am

    Lately when I have tried to post comments they have disappeared. I started at the current article on the hep B vaccine, which linked to this one. I posted a comment and lo & behold it appeared.

    There’s a lot more to the article I linked to besides Michael Belkin’s story.

    The plural of anecdotes is something which should be taken seriously. We’re talking about a lot of “anecdotes” from around the world.

    And I fully support Michael Belkin not releasing his daughter’s medical records.

  17. Nathan
    February 28, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    There’s a lot more to the article I linked to besides Michael Belkin’s story.

    Not a whole lot more that is of substance. But why don’t you pick the point that you find most convincing, and we discuss that?

    The plural of anecdotes is something which should be taken seriously. We’re talking about a lot of “anecdotes” from around the world.

    How many is a lot? And in a world of seven billion people, what makes you think that there are more than would occur by chance?

  18. February 29, 2012 at 12:58 am

    Nathan,
    The only way to find out if a cluster of “anecdotes” are not by chance is to actually investigate them. Alas, this doesn’t seem to happen very often.

    What I have seen is a sort of circular logic. Vaccine reactions are rare. You say that your child suffered a vaccine reaction. But vaccine reactions are rare so it probably isn’t a vaccine reaction.

    This isn’t an effective way to collect accurate data on vaccine reactions. Nor is it a good way to sort out if something is a reaction or not.

    Let us imagine 20 medical practices in a large city. Over a 10 year period 50 families report similar vaccine reactions to the same vaccine scattered among the 20 medical practices. It would unfortunately be very easy for the pattern to be missed, for the reports to remain un-filed and for the doctors to continue to say that they have never seen a vaccine reaction.

    Let us imagine, on the other hand, a national system for tracking vaccinations which includes a field for reporting a reaction. If staff are already recording vaccine, manufacturer and lot number into a database, one more field for recording reactions wouldn’t overwhelm the system. The second step would be to make reporting reactions, any reaction, mandatory. And the third step would be to correlate the data and see how many people are having reactions and how serious they actually are. All this is easy with computers, ya know?

    And it would totally take the wind out of the anti-vaccine movement if there were a good system and the number of reactions being reported were low and minor.

    As things currently stand we have parents whose child did have a reaction (I know several) and who reported it to the doctor and then found out that the doctor DID NOT file a report. One parent spent a year nagging the doctor before the doctor finally gave in and filed the report. The vaccine had occurred within hours following vaccination and was very serious.

    The system could be improved. Let’s improve it.

  19. February 29, 2012 at 12:59 am

    Mistake in my next to last sentence, sorry! Should read:

    The reaction had occurred within hours following vaccination and was very serious.

  20. Chris
    February 29, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    The only way to find out if a cluster of “anecdotes” are not by chance is to actually investigate them. Alas, this doesn’t seem to happen very often.

    Though it does happen. This is a report when several reports were investigated: Neonatal Deaths After Hepatitis B Vaccine.

    If a medical doctor does not report it, that is not an issue with VAERS. As you note the parents can report it themselves, it is an issue with that doctor. If you don’t like the VAERS system, then you can do a John Salamone and work in the system to improve it. Though I think that requiring making reporting mandatory should come with funds to deal with the data and the personnel to sift through it. VAERS already allows anyone to report, including someone in the UK!

    Still, if someone who is going to keep using their own anecdote they should allow it to be investigated. Something Mr. Belkin has refused.

  21. Nathan
    February 29, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Hi, MV. I have a long comment here that is not posting correctly (at all, not just being sent to moderation) and I am going to try to break it up and see if the bits go through.

    The only way to find out if a cluster of “anecdotes” are not by chance is to actually investigate them.

    Yes! I agree! Twyla needs to hear this. The entire reason that I asked Twyla my questions is that she seems to ignore the numerous studies regarding a particular adverse event, and then claim that there are too many anecdotes to be a coincidence.

    Alas, this doesn’t seem to happen very often.

    And for a moment we agreed. But with this part, I could not disagree more. I have read dozens of studies investigating concerns about vaccines, and they are only a fraction of what is out there. There are studies that evaluate the claims of virtually every concern raised about vaccines through anecdotes, from autism to asthma to MS to SIDS. They do not bear out the hypotheses generated by the anecdotes. It happens quite often, but they tend to be ignored by people who find the anecdotes more powerful. The “circular logic” you have convinced yourself of falls apart in the light of these studies.

    I say “virtually” because there will always be anecdotes about bad things happening after vaccines, just as there will always be anecdotes about bad things happening on Friday the 13th. But concerns that are generated about vaccines that are supported by anecdotal evidence, and at least some scientific plausibility, have a history of being thoroughly studied.

    Let us imagine 20 medical practices in a large city… This isn’t an effective way to collect accurate data on vaccine reactions.

    Agreed (It’s nice to do so again). It’s also not how we collect data on vaccine reactions. It’s apparently something we are imagining. It is not up to the individual doctors to dermine a pattern prior to report. It is up to them to report serious adverse events following a vaccine, some of which are in fact mandatory. And patients can report them directly. Underreporting occurs (as does overreporting), buv VAERS has demonstrated itself to be quite sensitive to detecting possible concerns.

    Nor is it a good way to sort out if something is a reaction or not.

    Agree again (three times – undoubtedly an internet vaccine debate record). That’s why we have to go to the studies that look at the events in relation to vaccines and find out, as I said above. I find that many people who believe that have experienced the anecdote are unwilling to do this, or are unwilling to accept the results. In the current system, the reporting system (VAERS) is a way to gather anecdotes to generate hypotheses for testing, then networks like the VSD (seven million patients, half a million children) and others are used to study the hypothesis in question. It has proven over the years to be a sensitive and thorough. The detection of intussusception following Rotashield vaccine is a fine example of this.

  22. Nathan
    February 29, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    Let us imagine, on the other hand, a national system for tracking vaccinations which includes a field for reporting a reaction.

    Now we’re talking. I am all in favor of a national database to track vaccinations. So is the AAP.

    http://www.pediatricnews.com/specialty-focus/infectious-diseases/single-article-page/national-vaccine-registry-advocated-at-aap-forum.html

    However, though such a system has been advocated for decades, many groups wary of nationalized health care seem opposed to the idea, and further, it does not seem well supported in the antivaccine community. Here are some examples via a quick Google search. Perhaps you could talk to them about that.

    http://www.nvic.org/vaccine-laws/tracking-system-and-privacy/the-national-electronic-tracking-registry.aspx
    http : // vaccineinfo .net/ issues/track ing/nati onalregistry/natio nalindex. shtml
    http ://www .aapsonli ne. org/resolut ions/2001-2.htm

    (I put spaces throughout those last two to avoid moderation; you will have to remove them in your address bar)

    It could indeed be used to make adverse event reporting easier and more complete. I would be all for that as well. But we’re going to need to get such a system up in the first place and it seems to be a bureaucratic nightmare to get states (and different computer systems) to share data, to say nothing of the political opposition to such a system. I’m not familiar with all the reasons for resistance, but it does not seem to me to be coming from mainstream healthcare providers, the CDC, pharmaceutical industry, etc.

  23. Nathan
    February 29, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    A few observations with your proposal, though:

    The second step would be to make reporting reactions, any reaction, mandatory.

    Do you actually mean “reactions,” or do you mean “adverse events following vaccination?” I doubt you mean only things that are recognized reactions. Would you require, say, reporting of a broken leg a few days after vaccination? A charlie horse? A constipated stool? If so, you may well be in trouble with “overwhelming the system” especially if you mandate this reporting many weeks or months out. If not, where would you draw the line as to what does and does not need reporting? If there is any ambiguity, it will be very hard to make it mandatory. Keep in mind that there are already mandates for reporting of certain recognized adverse reactions.

    And the third step would be to correlate the data and see how many people are having reactions and how serious they actually are. All this is easy with computers, ya know?

    I’m not entirely sure it is “easy” to get fifty different computer systems to work together to contribute to a national database, but the data would undoubtedly be useful.

    And it would totally take the wind out of the anti-vaccine movement if there were a good system and the number of reactions being reported were low and minor.

    Once again, I could not disagree more (shucks). Even if a perfect system could be implemented, I doubt that antivaccine sentiment would abate in the least, as it is primarily ideological rather than scientific, as evidenced by the fast clinging to things like SIDS as vaccine-caused, despite numerous studies looking specifically at the matter and finding a decreased risk of SIDS in the vaccinated. I find it unlikely that the system you propose will do anything more than make them further believe in a government conspiracy for forced vaccination (and falsification of data, of course) as insinuated by the preemptive attacks on a national registry in the links above. And the fact that all events would be ideally reported, even though many of them would not be vaccine related, would only give the AV movement higher numbers to pretend to be true reactions. That’s not to say these are reasons not to have such a system, but certainly it is not going to take the wind out of anyone’s sails.

    But even more profoundly, though your system would ideally be more effective at collecting anecdotes, it seems to me that it will not actually answer the questions you proposed at the beginning of your comment. Your system cannot “collect accurate data on vaccine reactions,” because it will still not be able to differentiate between unrelated events and reactions, and it cannot ” sort out if something is a reaction or not” because it does not have a control of people who did not get the vaccine.

    In other words, it is still primarily going to be hypothesis generating, like VAERS. Applying statistical analyses to the data may give stronger supporting evidence for or against a hypothesis, but you will still need a study using a system like the VSD to truly tell if something is a vaccine reaction or not. At least that is my non-epidemiologist non-biostatician impression.

    As things currently stand we have parents whose child did have a reaction (I know several) and who reported it to the doctor and then found out that the doctor DID NOT file a report. One parent spent a year nagging the doctor before the doctor finally gave in and filed the report.

    Why didn’t they report it themselves? This is one advantage of VAERS over the system you propose.

    The system could be improved. Let’s improve it.

    All for it. A national vaccine registry would be a great first step, and I’m glad you support it. Nonetheless, I disagree with you that the the current system is not sensitive enough to detect adverse events and ensure a high degree of safety, and that anecdotes do not often trigger studies with regards to causality.

  24. cia parker
    March 17, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    My baby was one of many who reacted to the hep-B at birth by reacting with four days and nights of endless screaming, vaccine-induced encephalitis, and was later diagnosed with autism. Judy Converse testified before Congress about her son suffering an adverse reaction almost identical to my daughter’s, but my daughter did not have the horrific bowel disease he had. Patti White testified that her association of school nurses was certain that the huge increase of autism in Missouri public schools starting in 1996 was because the vaccine campaign for hep-B at birth starting in 1991 had caused it.
    I had told the pediatrician a month before she was born that I didn’t want her to get it, as I had read it often caused autism. He agreed, but forgot to tell the staff at the hospital, who gave it to her without asking permission. I had tested negative for hep-B, and I did not want her to get it. There was no reason: whatever “protection” it might offer would wear off before she was old enough to do drugs or have sex, the most usual means of transmission. Even people who get hep-B usually recover completely from it, though some may be carriers for years. Only about five percent eventually die from related liver disease, usually those who are drug addicts or alcoholics, whose health is already compromised for other reasons. I have MS, and people with MS and their children are advised not to get it, as they have a great risk of adverse reaction. No one even asked me at any time if there were autoimmune conditions in my family or in me. They just shot up my daughter, caused her days of excruciating encephalitic pain, and caused her permanent disability. She will never be independent. France put it on their mandatory vaccine list in 1994, but removed it in 1998 when so many people were getting MS shortly after getting it.
    Hep-B is not transmitted by casual contact, it is a blood-borne disease, just as AIDS is. I remember years ago speculation that children with AIDS might infect others at school, but apparently that never proved to be the case. No case of a child infected by casual contact with a child infected with hep-B has ever been proven. Before the vaccine campaign began in 1991, Dr. Robert Sears in The Vaccine Book said that about 360 children a year were being diagnosed with it. Most if not all of them had been born to infected mothers. But the researchers just decided to say that the real figure must be 30,000 a year, with no basis in fact, to justify this lucrative vaccine mandate.
    In Australia, vaccine publicists had to really reach to try to come up with a convincing scenario for possible transmission of hep-B: they said that if one infected guy on an orienteering team ran through a patch of saw grass which cut his legs, and other guys ran past through the same patch of grass, some of the blood from the first guy might enter the legs of the guys running through the same saw grass. You have to REALLY reach to come up with a sort of realistic scenario like this. In Australia the main groups of children at risk were aboriginal children, in New Zealand Maori children, because southeast Asians and native Americans have more of a genetic risk of being infected. They decided it would be better not to single out those really at risk and just to vaccinate everyone, although a huge number of people suffered adverse reactions to the vaccine.

  25. cia parker
    March 17, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Nathan,
    I know it’s your job to sweep adverse reactions under the carpet, but still. Did you know that just three hours of constant inconsolable screaming in a baby is considered to be a symptom of encephalitis, and it is recommended that you take the baby to the ER? Do you disbelieve that it is ever a symptom of encephalitis, or do you believe that encephalitis caused by vaccines is always, always harmless. Many foolish doctors say that encephalitis can cause symptoms as mild as excessive somnolence, or twitching, or gazing into the distance and being hard to call back, but it’s still devastating. The Merck Manual admits that both diseases and vaccines can cause encephalitis, but you believe it’s only encephalitis caused by vaccine-preventable diseases that is capable of doing brain damage? Do you really believe that there is no such thing as a vaccine reaction, and that no matter what the symptom is or how soon after vaccination it occurs, it still means nothing, and if your child develops epilepsy or autism, asthma or peanut allergies, minutes after getting a vaccine, it still means absolutely nothing at all? Some people here have said that their child was unable to get a vaccine, Chris, for example, said that her son was unable to get a pertussis vaccine because of a health condition. Do you say pish-tosh, there’s no reason to ever withhold or delay giving any vaccine to any child, any adult, ever, any symptoms of anything don’t ever mean anything at all, since you (and your colleagues) insist that correlation never, ever, ever implies causation? Does it not bother you to be turning into a caricature?

  26. C-Mom
    July 12, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Perhaps there is a compromise here regarding the HepB shot. My son got it after birth and was fine, and we went ahead with a modified shot schedule in which he got only one vaccine at a time (spread out month-to-month) to avoid overload on his young immune system. Now that we are due with our daughter soon, I am re-considering the HepB vaccine (unless I test positive for HepB before birth of course), and thinking we could push that one to when she is a few months older. She will still get all her vaccines, but on a modified schedule and probably not as a minutes-old newborn.

  27. ella
    July 13, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    C-Mom,
    Dr. Sears thinks you can safely wait until your child is an adolescent before getting them the hep-B vaccine, although I think that by the time they’re that old you should give them the facts and let them decide for themselves.
    I think it would still be very risky to give it to your daughter when she’s several months old. Dr. Eisenstein gives a case report in his book (Make an Informed Vaccine Decision) of a mother who said her six year old son got the first dose of hep-B vax and it caused a fever of 103 degrees for five days, the second dose caused a fever that wouldn’t go away, three months later he was diagnosed with rheumatic fever, one month later his blood counts dropped and he was rediagnosed with A.L.L. leukemia. A mother of a two month old boy said he died right after the first dose of hep-B vaccine. VAERS case reports that anyone with a computer can access (I’ll only mention those in children older than newborns): 160271: 4 month old boy gets HBV, then diarrhea, goes into coma, and dies same evening. 49808: 4 month old girl get HBV, gets bleeding disorder, encephalitis, abnormal liver function, dies three days later. (And no, Nathan, I haven’t forgotten that correlation doesn’t ever, ever mean causation.) 107120: 5 month old boy gets HBV, gets fever, dies of “SIDS” following day. 76188: 6 month old girl gets HBV, diarrhea, bleeding lesions, Stevens-Johnson syndrome, dies two days later. 179608: 6 month old girl gets HBV and serious neurological sequelae 8 hours later, hospitalized with apnea, convulsions, cerebral edema, fontanelle bulging, and psychomotor retardation. 49035 7 month old girl gets HBV, gets cerebral hemorrhage, dies 4 days later. 160183: 9 month old baby gets HBV and dies 18 hours later. 180302: 10 month old girl gets HBV, gets bacterial infection bronchiolitis, goes into coma, dies next day. 74126: 10 month old girl gets HBV, gets liver cancer one month later, later dies of it. 173745: 18 month old girl gets HBV, later that evening found dead with profuse bleeding from nose and mouth. 212894: 3 year old girl gets HBV, develops juvenile onset diabetes 24 days later.

    If no one in your immediate family has the disease, I think you should think long and hard before risking a baby’s life and health by giving them this vaccine.

  28. Lawrence
    July 13, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    @ella – what scientific evidence does “Dr. Sears” use to back up his assertions?

    Oh wait, none, that’s right……

    And yeah, and the VAERS gambit – why don’t you include the girl who died in a car accident after receiving the HPV vaccine – because don’t we all know that vaccines cause car accidents?

  29. Chris
    July 13, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Ella, please tell us what you must read and understand before entering the VAERS database at http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index ? Explain exactly why it says before hitting the button “I have read and understand the preceding statement.”

    Does Eisenstein also mention in his book that he treats autism by chemically castrating children? He seems to do lots of questionable things, including selling supplements from his wife’s company, and unusual “insurance” plans.

    And are you sure you are not Cia Parker, because this comment is almost exactly like several she made?

  30. Bob
    September 24, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Can a girl get hepatitis b during sex from a guy even though she was vaccinated at birth?

  31. lilady
    September 24, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    “Can a girl get hepatitis b during sex from a guy even though she was vaccinated at birth?”

    Not likely Bob, if the baby completed the recommended series (3 or 4 shots). See the VIS for Hepatitis B vaccine:

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downloads/vis-hep-b.pdf

  32. Nathan Knowles
    September 28, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    I don’t truce the Heppiets B vaccunces child.

  33. January 11, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    im due in 10 dys and im so scared i dont know what to do!!!! should he or shouldnt he get the shot!??? read this recent article and see why!!! also let me know what you tthink after reading this article. you can message me on http://www.facebook.com/GERMANxBARBiE

    here is the article:

    http://www.iansvoice.org/

  34. melanie
    March 17, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    What a ridiculous article. Even IF you believe in vaxing, i see no reason to start abuse on the immune system hours after birth. Even if your child must be in daycare, most mothers dont go back to work for 6, 8, or even 12 weeks….why not at LEAST wait those several weeks? The author lists the risk of being bitten by another child as a reason to get the shot….that is absurd! A newborn isnt going to be down in the sandbox playing with other kids….so should we also vax against rabies because our newborns MIGHT be bitten by a wild animal??? THINK PEOPLE! MOST babies are at no risk for Hep B, but ALL babies being given this shot are at risk for serious and deadly reactions! Look at the probability and statistics….the shot is dangerous….compared to the MINISCULE risk of catching it, and then the small percentage of actual serious outcomes of the illness.

  35. novalox
    March 17, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    @melanie

    [citation needed].

  36. March 17, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    @melanie – the human immune system is abused after birth regardless, because we aren’t born into a sterile environment & our bodies have adapted over a few million years to deal with the thousands of antigens and pathogens that we are exposed to, right from the get-go.

    If the immune system of a baby was as weak as you claim, we’d all be dead within a week of birth.

  37. Erwin Alber
    March 26, 2013 at 2:10 am

    As far as I am concerned, vaccination is an organised criminal enterprise dressed up as disease prevention by means of junk science. Hepatitis B vaccination for newborns is in my opinion blatant child abuse, but then so are in my books all other childhood vaccinations promoted as part of the vaccine child poisoning schedule. Check out this article:

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/02/managing-editors-note-below-is-the-story-of-iam-gromowski-a-boy-who-lived-47-days-after-his-hepatitis-b-vaccination-thank.html

  38. novalox
    March 26, 2013 at 2:16 am

    @erwin alber

    [citaiton needed]

    And conspiracy theory isn’t really used for proof, erwin.

  39. ford4life69
    June 17, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    I’m sorry – this VAERS reporting system – is this something that Pedi’s tell parents about because I’ve never heard of it and none of the pedi’s I’ve interviewed for my son due late September have readily given the information when I asked about extended and limited vaccine schedules and what they do if the vaccine does cause a reaction. Is this something ALL parents are educated about???

  40. Chris
    June 17, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    It is federal law in the USA that Vaccine Information Sheets be given out with each vaccine. They include information on both VAERS and NVICP:
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/

    If you live in the USA and the pediatricians are not giving you the VIS, then you have a valid legal complaint.

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  42. Ms. W.
    September 2, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    I have had the Hep Series twice. I am an adult woman working in health care for 32 years. I got the series first when I worked for the health department in 96. After the third shot, I had a titer, I had not “sero-converted.” I had to have one more shot, then I was considered properly vaccinated. About 12 years later, I had a needle stick at work. I had all my blood titers drawn, I came back as not immune to Hep. B, and had to have the series again, after 3 I still needed one more shot. I have had some mildly elevated liver enzymes, not related to vaccines or anything but being a little overweight and some fatty liver infiltrates. So, the usual workup is testing for all kinds of Hepatitis. I did not have hepatitis,but guess what, I am not immune to Hepatitis B. In other words, all of those shots did not work in my body!! And only medical workers get tested for the titer to see if they are “still immune” when they go to work. I would think there are many people who do not retain or ever get full immunity to this disease by the vaccine. I am immune to measles. I had those shots when I started work for the health department. Just saying, might be OK to delay Hep B for infants.
    I will be traveling soon, so I will prob. get another series just to get temporary immunity to that.
    Anyway, just some info to consider.

  43. Jesse
    September 25, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    As far as I’m concerned, no one needs to be vaccinated for anything. I vaccinated my kids, and shockingly they are healthy despite all these anecdotal evidence suggesting they would grow up sickly and dim-witted. However I’m not about to tell people how to raise their kids and force them to vaccinate. That’s why all the information is out there for parents to gander over. Make the decisions based on the evidence out there, and as long as you can sleep at night, I also won’t be losing sleep over your decision. Now again this is coming from a parent’s point of view, not the public health ministry’s point of view. I could care less about herd immunity, I can only do what I feel right about myself and my family. Now I’m just going back to my corner and waiting for my kids to sprout some extra arms from all that poison they took in many years ago.

  44. Georgia Rivera
    September 27, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    I am sick with stress over the decision of these vaccinations. I am so torn. I am reading the MSDS in these vaccines and the thought of putting in these horrid filler straight into my newborn baby’s bloodstream seems to me to be more of a deliberate chance of creating a long term health condition, than to be careful for the first 6 months, allow the immunity to develop, then start the immunizations with the Sears schedule. Wouldn’t this seem more prudent?

  45. Jeffrey Zaref
  46. Lawrence
    September 27, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    @Georgia – first, vaccines are not injected “directly in to the bloodstream.”

    Second, immunity is always developing (when the body is exposed to antigens) – if babies didn’t have a fully functioning immune system upon birth, they would quickly die….since they don’t (because our immune system is highly evolved over hundreds of thousands of years) they can easily deal with the very small number of antigens involved with vaccination.

    Third, the “Sears Schedule” has no scientific basis.

    What is prudent is to research and understand the decades of data that show that vaccines are safe, effective and extremely important to protect babies and children from infectious diseases.

  47. Del
    September 27, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    I met a hepatologist from kaiser that refused the vaccine for his newborn. He is famous for doing liver transplants and said there is no reason other than pharma profit to give the vaccine to a newborn as long as mom is negative

  48. novalox
    September 28, 2013 at 1:58 am

    @del

    [citation needed]

  49. dingo199
    September 29, 2013 at 11:49 am

    The commonest cause for liver failure (the treatment for which is liver transplant) is chronic hepatitis B or C.

    Perhaps the “hepatologist” friend is merely against vaccination because he wishes to conserve his source of income?

  50. Natalie Nicolaysen
    October 2, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Hello Lawrence,

    Can you explain how vaccines are injected? I thought they were injected into the blood stream? Muscle? Differences?

    Thank you!

  51. Kath
    October 2, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Excellent question, Natalie! it is true that most vaccines are injected intramuscularly, but they are quickly absorbed into the bloodstream thanks to the large number of capillaries under every square millimeter of skin. Where the immune system, shocked by the sudden, unexpected appearance of dangerous antigens in the circulatory system, designed by nature to be closed to substances from the outside world, goes into panicked, autoimmune hyperdrive, often resulting in encephalitis and autoimmune disease in the vaccinated person., which are common sequelae to the hepatitis-B vaccine.

  52. Mike
    October 2, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    The hepatologist friend need have no worries, since even children vaccinated for hep-B will have their protection wear off in four to seven years, so that they will contract hep-B in the usual numbers once they reach the age for unprotected sex and intravenous drug use, the usual ways of contracting this virus, which is not transmitted casually. The hepatologist was aware that hep-C is transmitted through illegal drug use as well as hep-B, and he was obviously more concerned about protecting his child from the very common damage caused by the hep-B vaccine than he was the close to nonexistent risk of babies or children born to uninfected mothers contracting it. Perhaps Dingo is in favor of this vaccination in order to protect his source of income?

  53. Lawrence
    October 2, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    @Natalie

    Here is a good source of information:

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/d/vacc_admin.pdf

    Which pretty much shows that Kath is either lying, completely uneducated or just misinformed by the various anti-vaccine cranks (Kath is also probably Ms. Parker, returning as yet another sock-puppet – because HepB is not associated with encephalitis –

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm#hepb

    And Mike doesn’t seem to know what he is talking about either, since studies have shown immunity lasts for quite some time – even longer with booster doses later down the line.

  54. Lawrence
    October 2, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    And good information on the misinformation being bandied about by the anti-vaccine crowd:

    http://www.quackwatch.com/03HealthPromotion/immu/immu10.html

  55. novalox
    October 2, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    @mike

    Ah, the old pharma shill gambit, a sure sign that your argument has no merit.

  56. Gray Falcon
    October 3, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Kath, if what you’re saying were true, then people would be dropping like flies from skinned knees and paper cuts, which are a much better way to introduce large numbers of antigens into the human body.

  57. Georgia Rivera
    October 3, 2013 at 9:00 am

    After reading the MSDS forms for some of these shots, I do believe that there are chemicals that do not belong in there. I do believe that this could very well be a cause of many of the issues we see in people. Autoimmune, cancers (which are caused by autoimmune), diabetes type 1 (linked to addison’s which is an autoimmune), thyroid issues (linked to autoimmune) and many other illnesses. When we place things into our bodies that do not belong in our bodies, our body which is programmed through DNA to behave a certain way can become confused and just go on attack mode. I truly believe that by placing some of these foreign elements into our bodies is creating autoimmune issues which then leads to a reduced quality of life. I also believe in protecting people from the illnesses that these shots claim to protect against. According to what I have read, there are “clean” immunization shots available. I also like Dr. Sears’ thoughts in this. We need to allow the baby’s immunity to develop. Let the programming take place, give clean shots and this should help the issue. My question is, Are all these fillers in our shots just to make a larger quantity?

  58. Lawrence
    October 3, 2013 at 9:10 am

    @Georgia – no

    Adjuvants are in vaccines to make them more effective.

    There are decades of clinic research and safety studies to show vaccines are safe, effective and magnitudes better than the diseases they prevent.

    Dr. Sears isn’t an immunologist and has no science to back up his beliefs.

  59. Georgia Rivera
    October 3, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Thank you for your answer. I am about to have a baby and I am torn to pieces over this topic. I read on the MSDS for the TDAP that there is ethanol in that shot. I am not a doctor, but I am a person who has to understand chemistry (and geology) as I am in the stone industry. I think about the chemicals placed on the organic materials of stone and I see the damages it can cause the minerals. I don’t think our bodies are too far different. How does Ethanol make the vaccine more effective? I don’t know if this is hormones or paranoia, but I feel like I NEED answers to make sense for me. If these fillers help the effectiveness, how do they increase their effectiveness? Can we get access to these studies? Who conducted the studies? I would want to see these studies conducted by real doctors. Not paid by the pharmaceutical companies and not by a government agency. Researches at Duke? Yes! That is what I would want to see. Actual researchers from a well known hospital. Can you help guide me to these studies. I want to protect my baby…either side of the coin, I want what is best for her.

  60. Lawrence
    October 3, 2013 at 10:11 am

    @Georgia – the AAP has compiled a great list of studies that cover a variety of vaccine safety topics, from a variety of sources.

    I would start here:

    http://www2.aap.org/immunization/families/faq/vaccinestudies.pdf

    And to address your issue of “toxins” I find this website to be very informative as well – cuts through a lot of the misinformation out there regarding vaccine ingredients:

    http://antiantivax.flurf.net/

    and

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

    Check out the Pediatrics article at the end of that page – very informative as well. When making medical decisions, especially for your child, rely on facts – not fiction.

  61. Nathan
    October 3, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Tdap doesn’t contain ethanol. You might be confusing it with 2-phenoxyethanol, which is not the same. 2-phenoxyethanol is a bactericidal agent that prevents bacterial contamination. I for one am glad that vaccines are preserved from unwanted bacteria. I don’t mind some bacteria in my lunch (depending on the kind) but I’d rather it not be in my vaccines, unless it is the antigen.

  62. Zen
    October 3, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Georgia,
    There are no clean immunizations. Please don’t stop at Dr. Sears, please read Eisenstein’s Make an Informed Vaccine Decision.

  63. Lawrence
    October 3, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    @Zen – you mean Eisenstein that isn’t a medical doctor, but in a paleo-geologist? Not exactly someone I would trust to get information on medical decisions….

  64. Get More Information
    October 14, 2013 at 6:37 am

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  65. Georgia
    October 14, 2013 at 7:47 am

    If the chances are that a mother may be a carrier, how is injecting the immunization after birth (after the risk of exposure from mother) going to prevent the baby from contracting Hep B? Nothing I have been able to read states that this immunization had the capability of resolving hep b after exposure.

  66. dingo199
    October 14, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Because exposure to the mother’s hep B occurs at birth, with separation of the placenta from the uterine wall and delivery through the birth canal (rather than at some earlier time in pregnancy).

    Since the incubation period for developing hep B is as long as 6 months after exposure, there is time to generate protective immunity in the neonate by vaccination.
    (This same principle works with diseases such as rabies)

    Understand?

  67. dingo199
  68. Mike B.
    November 3, 2013 at 7:25 am

    You are all so dumb!!!! Wasting your time away talking about this with other people who are not properly educated on the subject at hand and you have no idea who they really are or who they could be working for!

    You should be relying on an educated decision on if you should or shouldn’t vaccinate your kids. You should just do the research yourself and only talk about vaccines with qualified people you trust, not these dumb trolls on this form lol I can’t believe how dumb you all sound going back and forth over this.

    You’re all gonna die one day and so will your kids thats life, just do what you feel is right and what you feel will give your child the best chances of living a fulfilling life. You don’t need these peoples approval they are uneducated trolls.

  69. Mike B.
    November 3, 2013 at 7:29 am

  70. Mike B.
    November 3, 2013 at 7:51 am

    According to the CDC, infants (children less than one year old) are at greatest risk for adverse medical events from vaccination including high fevers, seizures, and sudden infant death syndrome. [23] -http://vaccines.procon.org/#background

  71. November 3, 2013 at 8:09 am

    @Mike B – SIDS is not related to vaccines…..so that’s lie #1.

    http://www2.aap.org/immunization/families/safety.html

  72. novalox
    November 3, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    @mike

    You do know that youtube videos doesn’t count as evidence, right?

    And you do know that vaccines help to prevent disease that can maim or kill people, which can lead to a longer, more fulfilling life, right?

    So what do you have against people living a long, fulfilling life?

  73. Tim Oldsvergen
    November 4, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Thanks for the movie link Mike!! Always wanted to see this one.

  74. Tim Oldsvergen
    November 4, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Just watched the movie – great info. Thanks again!

  75. November 4, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Yeah, despite the fact that just about everything in that movie is wrong……..

  76. Tim Oldsvergen
    November 4, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Ok Lawrence, I’ll be sure and tell the girl and her family that.

  77. Chris
    November 4, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Do you mean this one? Remember there is a very low level of evidence needed.

    Mr. Oldsvergen, if you have any evidence that the HepB vaccine causes more harm than hepatitis b (almost two thousands deaths per year from liver cancer in the USA), please post the PubMed indexed study from a reputable qualified researcher. Do no rely on videos. Thank you.

    You might also want to read this father’s story about his daughter.

  78. dingo199
    November 6, 2013 at 5:01 am

    Thanks for the movie link Mike!
    I needed a laugh this morning!

  79. Mike B. Kicks dingo199, Chris, Lawrence, novalox in the face!
    November 9, 2013 at 3:22 am

    Hey dingo199, Chris, Lawrence, novalox, so because the sites you post says such and such, it just must be true right?

    So you really believe that all these companies can’t or just don’t lie to you?

    Tell me what do I or anyone else have to gain or lose by telling you or anyone else not to get vaccinated?

    Now tell me what does dingo199, Chris, Lawrence, novalox, and all of these companies that are involved with vaccines in some sort of way and pushing them on to people have to gain or lose?

    I’d said your money is the gain and the lost is well your money!!!!

    Show me the MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Healthy people are not profitable as sick people are. So how do we solve this problem well we tell them that they should just not get sick in the first place by getting vaccines!!!!!! Oh yay now we can make money off of them even when they don’t need us!!

    Tell me do you fix something that is not broken?

    I mean all of these things that they want you to get vaccinated for have treatments. so why can’t we just wait to see if we get sick instead of risking our lives in hopes of never getting sick.

    Sounds like greed to me.

    You can not control nature or your fate!!!! You can try all you want but in the end fate will take is corse.

    So how much money are you dingo199, Chris, Lawrence, novalox, making for trolling this site day in and day out?

    http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/vaccination-causes-autism-–-say-us-government-merck’s-director-of%C2%A0vaccines/

  80. Mike B.
    November 9, 2013 at 3:35 am

    Posting twice incase the first one get deleted cuz of name joke lol.

    Hey dingo199, Chris, Lawrence, novalox, so because the sites you post says such and such, it just must be true right?

    So you really believe that all these companies can’t or just don’t lie to you?

    Tell me what do I or anyone else have to gain or lose by telling you or anyone else not to get vaccinated?

    Now tell me what does dingo199, Chris, Lawrence, novalox, and all of these companies that are involved with vaccines in some sort of way and pushing them on to people have to gain or lose?

    I’d said your money is the gain and the lost is well your money!!!!

    Show me the MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Healthy people are not profitable as sick people are. So how do we solve this problem well we tell them that they should just not get sick in the first place by getting vaccines!!!!!! Oh yay now we can make money off of them even when they don’t need us!!

    Tell me do you fix something that is not broken?

    I mean all of these things that they want you to get vaccinated for have treatments. so why can’t we just wait to see if we get sick instead of risking our lives in hopes of never getting sick.

    Sounds like greed to me.

    You can not control nature or your fate!!!! You can try all you want but in the end fate will take is corse.

    So how much money are you dingo199, Chris, Lawrence, novalox, making for trolling this site day in and day out?

    http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/vaccination-causes-autism-–-say-us-government-merck’s-director-of%C2%A0vaccines/

    Also @novalox you do know that people make these things called documentaries right and post them on to youtube for free so people can watch them for free so if anyone on here can just post any dumb link to any article or letter written by who know who then why can’t I post a legitimate DOCUMENTARY that is legitimately arguing the Anti-vaccine side?

    You could post a documentary about the pro side if you would like I’m sure others would like that as well I know I would love to see one.

    so here it is again stop deleting it what gives you the right to censor my post!!!!

    I don’t see why you have to go as far as as deleting it. And you can’t say copyright reasons cuz thats bullshit cuz if that was true then youtube would have takin it off a long time ago and they haven’t cuz the makers of the film put it out for free so there goes that argument!!!!

  81. Mike B.
    November 9, 2013 at 3:38 am

  82. Mike B.
    November 9, 2013 at 4:48 am

    if vaccines are as safe as everyone says, why would the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services need an independent arm whose sole function is to hand out cash settlements to people whose family members have been either killed or otherwise catastrophically damaged by vaccines?

  83. Mike B.
    November 9, 2013 at 4:49 am

    “The Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund provides funding for the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program to compensate vaccine-related injury or death claims for covered vaccines administered on or after October 1, 1988,” the DHHS’ National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program’s website states [see it here: http://www.hrsa.gov%5D.

  84. Mike B.
    November 9, 2013 at 5:01 am

    I should be able to post a documentary on here I want a response from admin!!!
    You need to give me a damn good reason on why I can’t?

    Also come up with something other then copyright. I already told you it was put out for free so there is no copyright to worry about for this documentary but clearly they don’t want anyone on here to see it on their own site lol.

  85. Mike B.
    November 9, 2013 at 5:08 am

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  86. November 9, 2013 at 8:06 am

    @Mike – spamming the blog again? As to the Vaccine Court – you do realize that one of the primary architects of the original legislation was Barbara Loe Fisher, right? Perhaps you should be complaining to her?

    Also, just because the Vaccine Court has rejected the junk science around the autism / vaccine link (which doesn’t exist), doesn’t mean that it hasn’t appropriately handled all of the other cases where legitimate vaccine injury was shown to exist (or even be plausible – which is the measure by which compensation can be made).

    Why would you prefer that parents be forced to tackle the Civil Court system, where the full might of the adversarial system would be arrayed against them? Do you actually have any idea how complicated, expensive, and time-consuming a civil suit is? I doubt you do….

  87. Mike B.
    November 11, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Oh I’m sorry you just assumed that I was only talking about a link between vaccines and autism lol So let me clearly state my position here I do believe there is link between vaccines and autism however there is no real good science on both sides to stop the debate and that I believe its because its still not being researched enough and that it just hasn’t been clearly found yet but will be.

    Now with that part out of the way my main position is that vaccines themselves are all just not good for you and that the FDA does not do its job right by allowing fast tracking for drugs and vaccines. I don’t see how you could even agree with that. They need to be held to the highest standers and take as long as needed to fully understand how the vaccines are going to effect the public.

    So just to be clear I’m not much for wanting to argue about the links of vaccines and autism because it has no end for now and that I just flat out don’t think that all of the other vaccines out today are good for use to take nor are they necessary.

    Also thats all you pro sided people focus on is the autism link. That has no end until some sort of real evidence is provide by a third party with no conflict of interest unlike all of the the junk authority says so, so it must be true crap you keep posting. I don’t get why you only think that these types of site could be right and that anything else can not be? They don’t do anything to disprove this and they just say that there isn’t a link and then you take it as the truth and the truth is, is that there is no scientific proof for either side however the anti-side I feel has done a better job at providing better links then the pro-side.

    You are acting like you don’t reason with any sort of logic at all and I know that is not true but that is how you come off.

    Also you need to remember a common mistake that people make in life and that you and most of the others on here as well have made and that is you will only read from sites that are only backed by some sort of authority and I don’t get why ? You do understand that authority is not the truth and as history has taught us authority usually lies. You need to learn to read from one site and however many more until you are able to see common patterns in them both authority backed sites and non. Once your able to do this you will be able to see the parts of the information that are false and the parts that are fact or true. If its from some site you don’t like or don’t read then it must not have any credibility then lol so what gives your sites any credibility? What because your sites are back by some sort of institution or corporation? You don’t make any sense! You are just so closed minded it’s sad.

    I mean look at your reply it did nothing to disprove anything in my post you just talked it down and called it a day, good job bro. lol. I give facts and you just say oh that does count cause I say it has no credibility well fuck you and you credibility because guess what you don’t decide what other people consider to be credible you get that right.

    Your just a mister know it all and thats it, but really you know shit about nothing it seems lol.

    I don’t know what planet your from but here on earth people have the ability to pick and choose what they after using logic and reason to determine what holds credibility and what doesn’t and you my friend have just as much as anyone on this form and that is none because we are on a form for 1 and 2nd anyone can say this and that and that they have a degree in this or whatever but you can not prove it on here so there for on this form no one has any real credibility since there is no real way of determining the credibility of anyones post.

  88. Mike B.
    November 11, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    Do you actually have any idea how complicated, expensive, and time-consuming it is to raise an autistic child and could you imagine how that would feel for a family who’s child was once not autistic but then after a stupid vaccine shot became autistic or if its not autism and one of the many other injures that can come from vaccines could be?

    So what you wouldn’t go to court because its to complicated and time-consuming, so you rather not fight for your child?

    I see its just a child what do they matter right? Your sick man, real sick.

    We shouldn’t have to deal with any type of courts to begin with, if the vaccine were not fast tracked and the FDA and CDC did their jobs right.

  89. Gray Falcon
    November 11, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    Mike, do you have any evidence that you aren’t the one causing autism?

  90. novalox
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    Also, nice threat up there. You cannot support your claims, so you resort to threats to “kick our faces” Why should I worry about a threat from an internet tough guy/girl/thing like you?

    And of course, the old pharma shill gambit, a sure sign that you admit that you have no argument.

    But please, keep on posting. Show the whole world how poor your arguments are and how quickly you wish to resort to violence when shown the poverty of your arguments.

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  94. lilady
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  95. novalox
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    Because I think your “god”, who would want innocent children and adults to suffer from diseases that were entirely preventable, is not a god I would want to worship.

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    @omara – the human body is far from perfect (don’t even get me started with all of the flaws in our reproductive and waste-disposal systems)……why don’t you explain the Appendix to us?

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  103. Lawrence
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    @miche – and you’re sure that your child will never come in contact with anyone who is HepB positive? I’m surprised you are psychic……

  104. Chris
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    Newsflash! Miche, HepB is not just a sexually transmitted disease. It is transmitted by saliva and blood, plus it lingers on surfaces for a while.

    Just make sure your child does not come into contact with anyone, nor any toys handled by anyone for a few years. You have no idea what kids like to put into their mouths, and how much they like to slobber on toys. Please read Kids Can Infect Kids.

    And due to limitations in the accuracy of hepatitis b testing, how positive are you that you aren’t a carrier?

  105. Narad
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    @savana – allergic reactions happen almost instantaneously – without more information, it sounds more like an anti-vax scare story than anything you need to be worried about.

  110. Lawrence
    March 3, 2014 at 8:27 am

    And, I will add, the risk of HepB infection is magnitudes higher than any risk for the vaccine itself…..the HepB vaccine is extremely safe (tens of millions of doses have been given, if not more) and very effective.

  111. Chris
    March 3, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Savana, next time come up with the coroner’s report or the PubMed indexed case study written by someone who is a licensed medical doctor. News reports citing psychics are not believable anecdotes.

  112. Lawrence
    March 3, 2014 at 10:50 am

    @Chris – that is right up there with the various VAERS reports for Gardisil Deaths, which state “respondent said she saw on the Internet that someone died from the vaccine.”

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    I heard about that case here:
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    @savana, it is true some children do die from vaccinations, and it’s not just a made up horror story, it says so the VIS for Pete’s sake! All the mindless pro-vax people along with the mindless anti-vax people are a joke, don’t listen to either side, they are all mindless (mindless meaning they don’t think, they just emotionally spout what they have been taught)! As for Hep B, in a case with a negative mother, there is very very little risk skipping the birth injection and waiting until they are 2 months old to give them a shot, particularly for children living in a clean healthy environment (common sense doesn’t need a reference for Pete’s sake)! Remember too that Hep B is self-limited and has a low mortality rate, so even in the unlikely case a child contracts it, they will almost always recover.

  117. Lawrence
    March 18, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    @Ronald – any report that was made regarding any drug, whether accurate or not, has to be included on the VIS….luckily, the follow-up reports and studies have shown that reports of “death by vaccination” have been proven almost universally false (just check the Gardisil entries in VAERS, if you don’t believe me).

  118. Chris
    March 18, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    Mr. Sugar: “Remember too that Hep B is self-limited and has a low mortality rate, so even in the unlikely case a child contracts it, they will almost always recover.”

    They have a higher chance of getting a chronic infection if they contract it early. Now go up to the top of the page and read this paragraph:

    According to information provided by the Immunization Action Coalition and the CDC, an estimated 1.25 million people are chronically infected with the hepatitis B virus in the United States alone, resulting in an estimated 2,000-4,000 deaths each year. Surprisingly, 30%-40% of these chronic infections were acquired during childhood.

    Is thousands of deaths per year a “low mortality” rate? What is your definition of a “low mortality rate”?

  119. JGC56
    March 18, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    Ronald, what exactly does “almost always” translate to in your statement
    “Remember too that Hep B is self-limited and has a low mortality rate, so even in the unlikely case a child contracts it, they will almost always recover”? For that matter, what does ‘recover” mean, exactly?

    If you’re talking about the disaapearance of symptoms of the immediate infection, that will occur over a period that varies from a few weeks to several months. For some that will represent the entire course of illness, but when infants and young children are infected with hepatitis they have a 90% chance of developing a life-long chronic infection, One out of four of these chronically infected children will have serious liver disease as an adult, including cancer. Each year there are 3000 to 5000 deaths from liver damage and liver cancer caused by the hep b virus.

    So an unvaccinated infant or child who contracts Hep B has a 90% risk of lifetime infection and a risk of developing potentially fatal liver damage or cancer of 22.5%.

    Unless you can provide evidence that the risk associated with being vaccinated against Hep B are greater than this–and believe me if vaccines caused serious adverse events in 90% of those receiving them we’d all know it–clearly it’s much safer to be vaccinated against Hep B than to remain vulnerable to incection.

  120. Narad
    March 19, 2014 at 12:54 am

    Ronald Sugar :
    Remember too that Hep B is self-limited and has a low mortality rate, so even in the unlikely case a child contracts it, they will almost always recover.

    I think the least you could do is test this out on yourself before recommending it for others.

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  123. Chris
    April 5, 2014 at 10:24 am

    “END OF DISCUSSION!”

    No it is not, since you provide absolutely no evidence for your assertions. Especially on how protecting kids from liver cancer is more costly than treating thousands of those cancers each year.

  124. Narad
    April 5, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    It is quite clear that Lawrence, Narad and Novalox are shills for the Parmacuetical Corporations.

    As far as I can tell, this is some sort of insinuation that I’m on the payroll of Big Prosciutto.

  125. novalox
    April 5, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    @eff

    Ah, the old pharma shill gambit, a sure sign that you have no coherent argument to speak of, and that you admit that you have none to give.

    So, where is your actual evidence, besides your use of ad hominems and unfounded insults?

    Also, parma, yum. Makes me think of pizza and pasta.

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  127. joseph
    April 9, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    What if all the original research on thimerosal points to neurological damage ? What if a newborn was more susceptible if they have mitochondrial disorder ? Why do baby monkeys given the same vaccine schedule has similar neurological symptoms. The fact that the consent forms still all say “no serious side effect has been reported” on the hepatitis consent forms in most hospitals is a big enough lie to condemn the entire pro-vaccine talking heads. The truth would be to admit that adverse effects have been reported. The truth is that thimerosal is a neurotoxin only needed if greedy pharm companies refuse to make single dose vials for newborns. The blood brain barrier becomes more functional after 4 to 6 months. Stop the poisoning. A mom with hepatitis B will need her child treated not vaccinated. What is the relative risk of getting hepatitis in children under 6 years of age and what is the serious side effect risk.. case closed.

  128. joseph
    April 9, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    tdap package inserts admits autism has been associated with vaccine.

    when did the autism rate increase ?

    right after vaccines were recommended that had thimerosal in them !

    Why would anyone recommend 2 Flu Shots to pregnant women when they both have thimerosal ? Is it true that the spontaneous abortion [miscarriage] rate go up 4000% after 2009 these shots were recommended ?

    Why do so many people suffer from the semmelwiez reaction ….. they refuse to look at the facts .. the evidence .. because it goes against their current belief system ?
    Cognitive bias allowed decent church going people to go along wtih lynchings … this is worse!

    Dr Semmelweiz proved that handwashing reduced maternal deaths … they refused to believe him until 40 years later … and the credit went to Lister and Pasteur ?

    Dr Snow demonstrated cholera was transmitted by something in the water so when removed the pump handle the epidemic stopped… but they still did not believe.

    IS LIGHT A PARTICLE OR A WAVE… YOU CAN ARGRUE BOTH SIDES. WISDOM IS THE ABILITY TO LEARN FROM BOTH SIDES … THEY BOTH HAVE VALID POINTS

    THOSE THAT KNOW QUIETLY HAVE REMOVED THE THIMEROSAL , THEY SENT IT TO THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES ?

    BY THE WAY HOW DID WEAPONIZED FLU -H5N1 GET INTO THE BIRD FLU VACCINE…
    IT KILLED ALL OF THE FERRETS. AND WAS THUS DETECTED. ?

    JUST QUESTIONS I SEEK ANSERS FOR.

  129. joseph
    April 9, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    joseph :
    What if all the original research on thimerosal points to neurological damage ? What if a newborn was more susceptible if they have mitochondrial disorder ? Why do baby monkeys given the same vaccine schedule has similar neurological symptoms. The fact that the consent forms still all say “no serious side effect has been reported” on the hepatitis consent forms in most hospitals is a big enough lie to condemn the entire pro-vaccine talking heads. The truth would be to admit that adverse effects have been reported. The truth is that thimerosal is a neurotoxin only needed if greedy pharm companies refuse to make single dose vials for newborns. The blood brain barrier becomes more functional after 4 to 6 months. Stop the poisoning. A mom with hepatitis B will need her child treated not vaccinated. What is the relative risk of getting hepatitis in children under 6 years of age and what is the serious side effect risk.. case closed.

  130. joseph
    April 9, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    Stacy Ludwig Aberilla “the observed incidence of hepatitis B in the 0-1 age group was just 0.001%. In the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), there were 1,080 total reports of adverse reactions from hepatitis B vaccine in 1996 in the 0-1 age group, with 47 deaths reported. Total VAERS hepatitis B reports for the 0-1 age group outnumber reported cases of the disease 20 to 1.”

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  132. Narad
    April 9, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    Joseph, you do know that Heidi “Gaia Health” Stevenson suffered an untimely, sudden death this year, right? As for Belkin (of “The Refusers”), what do you suppose makes the opinion of the musical genius behind “Vaccine Gestapo” of any particular interest?

  133. Narad
    April 9, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    joseph :
    tdap package inserts admits autism has been associated with vaccine.

    Tdap is the adult vaccine. And, no, the DTaP insert doesn’t say that.

    when did the autism rate increase ?
    right after vaccines were recommended that had thimerosal in them !

    So, that would be since the 1930s?

    BY THE WAY HOW DID WEAPONIZED FLU -H5N1 GET INTO THE BIRD FLU VACCINE…
    IT KILLED ALL OF THE FERRETS. AND WAS THUS DETECTED. ?
    JUST QUESTIONS I SEEK ANSERS FOR.

    Yes, won’t somebody think of the ferrets?

  134. Narad
    April 9, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    joseph :
    The blood brain barrier becomes more functional after 4 to 6 months.

    And, no, you shouldn’t thoughtlessly repeat stuff from whale-dot-to.

  135. Chris
    April 9, 2014 at 10:34 pm

    Joseph, it is time for you to think for yourself and not repeat stuff from foolish websites.

    Now, answer this question: Which vaccine on the present American schedule is only available with thimerosal? Do not mention influenza since, half of those approved for children do not have thimerosal. Also do not mention DTaP, because most of them do not thimerosal.

    By the way, for your information: <a href="Mice lie, monkeys exaggerate and ferrets are not people!

  136. Chris
    April 9, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    Rats, mucked up the link, by forgetting to put it in. Try again:

    Mice lie, monkeys exaggerate and ferrets are not people!

    It is from this podcast, which is so much cooler than the one Joseph is quoting:
    http://www.virology.ws/2009/10/25/twiv-55-mice-lie-monkeys-exaggerate/

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