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Why Hepatitis B Vaccine is Not a Lifestyle Vaccine

February 27, 2012

This weekend, a colleague brought something to my attention that I’ve been thinking about all weekend.  It was a tweet that read as follows:

VaxCalc:  HPV (Gardisil) and Hep-B are lifestyle #vaccines; should govt mandate lifestyle choices?  #freedom #vaxfax

As I was thinking about this statement and conjuring up a response, I came across Dr. Natasha Burgert’s recent blog post on KC Kids Doc.   How timely!  She has created an engaging video presentation that addresses the six most common questions she hears from parents regarding the hepatitis B vaccine such as:

  1. Why does my newborn baby need a hepatitis B vaccine?
  2. What is hepatitis B?
  3. If my prenatal labs show that I am not infected with hepatitis B, why does my baby still need to get vaccinated?
  4. Isn’t hepatitis B an infection spread through sex and drug use?
  5. How could my baby get infected with hepatitis B?
  6. What if I wait until my child is older to get vaccinated?

Not only does her presentation answer many questions, but it also helps to explain that hepatitis B infections are not limited to lifestyle choices.  Many people don’t realize that they are infected, which consequently results in many cases being spread by casual contact.

The fact is that approximately 24,000 women with hepatitis B infections give birth in the U.S each year and many do not even know they are infected.  Sadly, infants infected at birth have a greater than 90% chance of suffering a chronic infections such as liver cancer, cirrhosis and liver failure when they become adults.

When it comes to the hepatitis B vaccine, it appears that one of the biggest parental concerns is the timing of the vaccine.  Since this is the first recommended immunization, parents are sometimes surprised that it’s suggested before their child even leaves the hospital. By catching them off guard, some parents feel a bit unprepared to make such an important decision. This can even result in a parent feeling hesitant about the recommendation and questioning the need for the vaccine at such a young age. Perhaps that is why one of the most popular posts on Shot of Prevention has been a piece entitled Why Infants Should Receive the Hep B Vaccine At Birth.

However, there is one thing that is extremely important to note about the hepatitis B vaccine; it’s not just preventative, but it’s also therapeutic.  See, even when tested prior to delivery, some mothers are not properly identified as being infected with hepatitis B.  But fortunately, if a child who is infected at birth receives the vaccination shortly after, their infection status can actually be altered so that they are no longer at risk of chronic infection.  I find this to be a fascinating benefit of this particular vaccine which only helps to justify the importance of the birth dose.

Most importantly, we must realize that parents and their doctors need to be having discussions regarding the recommended childhood immunization schedule long before a mother goes into labor.  Without a proper conversation regarding the risks of disease and the benefits of vaccines, it’s simply unrealistic to expect parents to make informed decisions, especially at a time when parents are often overwhelmed, exhausted, and struggling to adjust to the birth of their new baby.

There are lots of resources that parents can use to help educate themselves on the importance of the hepatitis B vaccine such as the following:

Immunization Action Coalition Information on Hepatitis B and Why the Birth Dose Saves Lives

Hep B Moms

The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP)

Perhaps with a bit of research, parents will have a better understanding of the fact that while lifestyle choices may increase a person’s risk of contracting hepatitis B as an adult, there are still ways in which infants and children can contract it without even knowing. A simple and safe vaccine, that is recommended for all children at birth, can help prevent people from suffering with chronic disease as adults.  Knowing this, it’s easy to see why the vaccine in recommended for all.

  1. publichealthgal
    February 27, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    I think it might help the messaging to be more specific about “casual contact.” Could this be diaper changes from a Hep B positive caregiver?

  2. Sharon
    February 27, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    In other words, we’re trying to protect babies who are going home to family members who have Hepatitis B and don’t know it, but also because Hepatitis B is in the child’s community. It is a preventable disease. If a baby contracts Hepatitis there is a much higher chance of that baby later having liver cancer or cirrhosis. Let’s be clear. Also, we’re not as concerned about a newborn’s lifestyle as we are about the adults’ lifestyles who are living around the child.

  3. Tsu Dho Nimh
    February 27, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    Not diaper changes. But saliva sharing would do it, and it’s hard to be around babies without ending up with their hands in your mouth and then into their mouth.

  4. publichealthgal
    February 27, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    That is SOOOOO important to know.

  5. Marie
    February 27, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    I think part of the problem is that many of the people who tend to be wary of vaccinations are not likely to be high-risk for Hep B. So you have a mom who thinks “Well, I know I don’t have Hep B and I know that nobody caring for my baby has it, so why does my baby need it?” I’m not sure that this really answers her question or allays her fears.

  6. Clara Goodman
    February 27, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    You are all brainwashed fools. Wow.

  7. Chris
    February 27, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Ms. Goodman, could you please point out the errors in the article? Please support your statements with some actual scientific evidence. Thank you.

  8. Sharon
    February 27, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    “…many of the people who tend to be wary of vaccinations are not likely to be high-risk for Hep B…” Wow. Yep, that is a HUGE part of the problem.

  9. Marie
    February 27, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    Okay Sharon, would you care to explain what exactly is wrong with my comment? A huge percentage of Hep B cases in the US are in Asian Americans and while I don’t have data to back this up, anecdotally, I don’t know any Asian Americans who are anti-vaccination. Most of the anti vaccination people I know are white and middle to upper middle class, which are two groups with a proportionally lower Hep B infection rate.

    Regardless, my point still stands- a mother who knows she is not infected and knows none of her baby’s caregivers are infected will not find this argument very convincing as to why she should have her child given this vaccination. I’m strongly pro-vaccination and I admit that I personally wavered on this, wondering if it was really necessary to give my child this so early. I would have appreciated a convincing article or argument for why someone who does not have Hep B and is in a low-risk group for coming into contact with it should vaccinate their child against it at birth rather than later in life.

  10. February 28, 2012 at 12:00 am

    You said: “The fact is that approximately 24,000 women with hepatitis B infections give birth in the U.S each year and many do not even know they are infected.”

    But did not provide a reference for this very significant double statistic. First that 24,000 women with Hepatitis B infections give birth each year in the U.S.

    and second that many do not know they are infected.

    Source or sources?

    Thanks.

  11. February 28, 2012 at 12:12 am

    I found your source, which doesn’t reference the statements either. Depressing. Statistics without a reference are unconvincing.

    The article is by Deborah Wexler and here is the link: http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2125.pdf

  12. Chris
    February 28, 2012 at 12:17 am

    This story by a father about his daughter’s cancer. They were not Asian, but did not know that hepatitis b had infected their family.

    Also, sometimes kids infect other kids. A quote from that article (emphasis added):

    The data indicate that the highest risk of early childhood transmission is among kids born to moms who immigrated to the United States from countries where HBV infection is highly endemic (e.g., Southeast Asia, China), but in fact the majority of early childhood HBV infections occur among African American and white children.

    From the “About” page of that website:

    PKIDs (Parents of Kids with Infectious Diseases) started in 1996 when some parents couldn’t find babysitters, playmates, or even many relatives willing to spend time with their children. Fear and ignorance of hepatitis B and C and HIV make people do such things.

    The have much more information under the “Families” drop down menu, especially the “pediatric hepatitis report.” I hope this helps.

  13. publichealthgal
    February 28, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    I woner how a parent would “know” that all their child’s caregivers are not Hep B positive. Are they demanding blood work and/or proof of vaccination. I doubrt most parents would even think to do that. Day care centers don’t have any legal requirements to disclose such information. Many infected people don’t know. And if they’re not vaccinated, their status could actually change. So, how could a parent feel sure his/her infant is protected from possible casual contact with the Hep B virus?

  14. Marie
    February 28, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Thank you Chris, that’s exactly what I was looking for!

  15. Marie
    February 28, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    If the child’s caregivers were the other parent or the child’s grandparent(s), they could feel pretty sure (though of course not be 100% positive).

  16. missmayinga
    February 29, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    I love the fact that they’re calling Gardisil a “lifestyle” vaccine, like “not being entirely celibate for the rest of your life” is some unique lifestyle choice.

  17. Deb
    February 29, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    This is response to Marie’s comment about she doesn’t know any Asian Americans that are anti vaccination. Well I do! In fact, my job is to ensure their babies get vaccinated(HBIG and Hep B) at birth due to the Mother’s Hep B status. The Mothers know they are positive, but yet still try to refuse vaccines even after reading the literature(90% of unvaccinated babies born to Hep B mothers will develop chronic liver disease) I have sent them. It effects all socioeconomic status also. If the baby is born in the US, hospital protocals are: if no known Hep B status is known, assume she is.

  18. Nathan
    March 1, 2012 at 12:17 am

    The original source was not hard for me to find. I Googled “24000 hepatitis B mothers” and found this MMWR report from last year as the third hit:

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6013a4.htm

    Which starts with “In the United States, an estimated 24,000 women with hepatitis B virus (HBV) infection give birth each year (1). ” and references this 2008 CDC report:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374805/

    “Children continue to be infected at birth. Of approximately 24000 infants born to HBV-infected women annually, only about one quarter complete case management and are tested for infection or susceptibility (CDC, unpublished data, 2007). In 2006, a total of 86 perinatal HBV cases were reported to the CDC, but testing and reporting are incomplete; thus, the true number of perinatal HBV cases per year is likely 10 to 20 times higher.”

  19. Dawn
    March 1, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Or…. doctors could screen mothers for it in the final month, then wait on the vaccination until the child is older…. My daughter got the vaccination at birth and did have an adverse reaction to it. Mind you, I was to be the ONLY person caring for her because I was a stay at home mom. I question why it’s a universal vaccine. Medicine shouldn’t be universal. It should take the needs of individual patients into account.

    I suppose that’s an awful lot of work though, and we CERTAINLY can not expect doctors to fully inform mothers of this choice, because heavens forbid they waste their time looking at people as individuals… I’m a prime example, had I known the facts, I would have delayed… But I didn’t, I just implicitly trusted and so now my child suffers.

  20. publichealthgal
    March 1, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Dawn.
    I think you raise a valid point. Individual circumstances should be considered. And doctors should take the time to explain risks and benefits. Typically, a birth is celebrated with visits from family and friends. So, even if the mom is the sole caregiver, other casual exposures are possible. Since serious adverse events are in the 1 to a million range or less, a universal recommendation makes sense for many parents. It’s awful to hear when such an event happens. I’m sorry to hear you had such a bad experience with vaccinating your child.

  21. Dawn
    March 1, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Let’s be very frank, even Mayo Clinic does not state “casual encounters” as a valid source of transmission.

    Also, if you check the prescribing information, the adverse reaction are not 1 to a million, only the DRASTIC life threatening ones are. There’s still many many side effects that fall above 1% and even higher.

  22. Chris
    March 1, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    What about the folks here at http://www.pkids.org/about.html?

    There’s still many many side effects that fall above 1% and even higher.

    Please list them with supporting documentation that is not a vaccine insert, and only include things that are more dire than a sore arm.

  23. Chris
    March 1, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    There is a whole section on testing HepB immunity in the CDC Pink Book Hepatitis B chapter. It looks like it is complicated, and the tests can be interpreted in many way. In other words: it is not an easy thing to do.

  24. Adam
    March 1, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    It definitely seems like more testing needs to be done to acknowledge the warnings given by the vaccine manufacturer, and how can that happen when Hep B is given on day one like is done in a small handful of countries.

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/02/managing-editors-note-below-is-the-story-of-iam-gromowski-a-boy-who-lived-47-days-after-his-hepatitis-b-vaccination-thank.html

  25. Adam
    March 1, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    CDC – “Some people should not get hepatitis B vaccine or should wait.”

    Who? How long should they wait? How can you tell if it’s you?

  26. Dawn
    March 1, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Can you please explain why the vaccine prescribing information that lists the actual adverse reactions and the rates at which they occurred in the studies is NOT a valid source?

  27. Chris
    March 1, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    They are written by lawyers, not scientific researchers.

  28. Dawn
    March 1, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    Chris- So you are saying that the research results listed in the prescribing information are inaccurate?

  29. Chris
    March 2, 2012 at 1:02 am

    I don’t know. Did you list the link to the source? I must have missed any link you posted (just checked, nothing you posted contained a URL).

    Generally the vaccine inserts are written by lawyers and they usually do not include the percentages. So, please post a URL to what you think is a good link to the “prescribing information” and we can then comment on its content.

    Again, this is a request that if you make a statement you must provide the supporting documentation. Especially if you claim it says something. We cannot tell if it says “something” unless we are able to read that “something” ourselves. So post the “prescribing information” on the Hepatitis B vaccine, and tell us which side effects that are more dire than a sore arm, general malaise or fever that we should be worried about.

    My son suffered multiple seizures on his second day of life. Why should I think it was caused by the HepB vaccine?

  30. Dawn
    March 2, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Prescribing information is different from a package insert. I figured everyone into learning about vaccines is pretty good at finding these by now, but no problem:

    http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/r/recombivax_hb/recombivax_pi.pdf

    http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_engerixb.pdf

    In my case, it was easy to know it was vaccine induced because it was duplicated and worsened right after the next one in the series. My biggest concern is the significant ties to auto-immune issues that are triggered by the shot, made worse with more shots, and regularly go unreported. For example, I was told that a report was made, come to find out it never made it there.

    Though to be fair, I suppose that you’d have to be susceptible to autoimmune disorders for most of the non-allergic, non seizure side effects to happen, but cause and trigger are the same for all PRACTICAL purposes WHEN the only trigger for the symptoms is the vaccine. For example, while the issue is regularly raised that there is no actual physiological way for the vaccine to cause the development of central demyelinating disorders which are uncomfortably common on the vaers site. It’s suspected that the manufacturing process could introduce the polymerase of the hep b virus as a contaminant, and then trigger an auto-immune response.

    I have a hard time believing my daughter is that “rare.” Perhaps she is… but even still her risks for hepatitis as an infant were nothing. But that’s my fault, for trusting doctors without researching myself. They acted like it was SUPER risky if she didn’t get it THAT day. I asked if we could wait a week to think about it, and they said, “No, it has to be today, now.” And like an idiot, I believed them.

    And again, perhaps pressure from doctors like that is also SUPER rare, but I have difficultly believing any of my circumstances are so rare, as I said, when they have happened to others I personally know. I realize that’s anecdotal. But I do feel anecdotal evidence, regarding THIS vaccine, given the ways this is contracted, should at least be taken into consideration and the shot delayed. I think a question as a doctor considers giving this shot to an individual baby should be asked, “Do the benefits out weigh the risks FOR THIS CHILD, not just for the infants of the world everywhere.”

    Of course, that would require him to actually get to know a person, huh? Thankfully I left my other ped and have a new one… who DOES take the time.

  31. Sovereign man
    March 2, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Been away on holiday for a while, but rest assured Dawn.. there is NOTHING you can say that will change Chris’s views. He will ask over and over for documentation of research that doesn’t exist because they have been suppressed. Then he will go on to quote obviously flawed studies which often have conclusions in direct contradiction to the stated results and stand on them as Gospel. And Gospel is the right word for Chris because he is dogmatic and closed minded and due to cognitive dissonance, he will NEVER allow his beliefs to be challenged.

  32. Chris
    March 2, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Prescribing information is different from a package insert. I figured everyone into learning about vaccines is pretty good at finding these by now, but no problem:

    And as I read them, I recognize them as lawyer written stuff with only general information, which is why we have always said to link to the actual scientific documents. Most of the adverse reactions are minor, and it is hard to tell if it was something else. So in the future stick to just posting the journal, date and title of the scientific literature to support your statements.

    Again: my son suffered neonatal seizures his second day of life and spent a week in the hospital. Why should I blame any vaccine?

  33. Chris
    March 2, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Funny how science works like that. Though if given the proper about of evidence those “beliefs” can be changed.

  34. March 2, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    “I question why it’s a universal vaccine. Medicine shouldn’t be universal. It should take the needs of individual patients into account. ”

    Before they started the universal infant vaccination program in 1991, they tried vaccinating high risk groups (1982), screening high risk pregnant women (1984), and screening all pregnant women (1988).

    Universal vaccination is the strategy that has been most effective in keeping kids from getting hepatitis B.

    Achievements in Public Health: Hepatitis B Vaccination — United States, 1982–2002

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5125a3.htm

    The graph at the bottom shows the dramatic drop in the rate of hepatitis B in kids after 1991.

  35. Dawn
    March 2, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    I’m not telling you to blame vaccines Chris. I have no idea what your circumstances were. My daughter’s were clearly vaccines, because new vaccines would kick start them with each new poke.

  36. Dawn
    March 2, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    I’m not telling you to blame vaccines Chris. I have no idea what your circumstances were. My daughter’s were clearly vaccines, because new vaccines would kick start them with each new poke.

  37. Chris
    March 2, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    I know. Since my son never received the birth dose for HepB (he was born in 1988), I am trying to tell you;

    There are other things that happen to babies that have nothing to do with vaccines and other events (like getting a blood draw).

    I would also remind you that there are multiple reasons to not cite package inserts, and to only cite the actual scientific literature. And you have not listed all of those dire side effects, with supporting documentation.

    Plus ACIP will not change their recommendations because of a series of anecdotes. They did listen to John Salamone, whose son was injured by the oral polio vaccine. You can read about his story in the Dr. Offit’s book Deadly Choices.

    And before you mention VAERS again go to its actual site, http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index, and see what they want you to read before you click on the button to proceed to the datavase.

  38. Dawn
    March 2, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    It’s also been most effective in causing unnecessary vaccine injuries.

  39. Dawn
    March 2, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Chris, I’d be happy to cite studies. I have many many many… but have found that when discussing with very provaccine people, studies are easily discounted from either side, so going straight to the horse’s mouth is best.

    I have seen what they want me to read… sure it’s ALL anecdotal, just like my daughter’s just like EVERYONE’S always are. That’s fine, the simple point remains, this vaccine is unneeded for MOST babies and a good screening could ensure that children with minimal if any risk could just hold off on this.

    Now, I see that you are unopen to anything I have to say, so, it’s best we agree to disagree. Because no one will never get me to put another vaccine in my daughter again without a court order because it has been THAT awful. I feel blessed that I have a supportive, open minded pediatrician now that spends over an hour and a half with us at each visit and sees her as an individual human being.

  40. Dawn
    March 2, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    And before you mention VAERS again go to its actual site, http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index, and see what they want you to read before you click on the button to proceed to the datavase.

    And the reason I’m bowing out, is because I do not take commands, and I do not like how you instructed me on what I must do before I MENTION something again.

    VAERS.

    I’m sure it’s totally totally pointless and that’s why it exists.

  41. Chris
    March 2, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    I’m sorry that you feel I would not be willing to look at those studies. If they are in a reputable journal and by qualified researchers, I do not see a problem. I have an open mind, but not so open that I can be swayed by flashy diversions.

    Good luck with your day in vaccine court.

  42. Chris
    March 2, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Oh, I am sorry. It is just that I find folks that keep citing “VAERS” simply do not understand the nature of that data. If you must know what you actually need to read before entering the database is the following:

    DISCLAIMER: Please note that VAERS staff follow-up on all serious and other selected adverse event reports to obtain additional medical, laboratory, and/or autopsy records to help understand the concern rose. However, in general coding terms in VAERS do not change based on the information received during the follow-up process. VAERS data should be used with caution as numbers and conditions do not reflect data collected during follow-up. Note that the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not infer causality. See the following section to review cautions in the interpretation of this data.

    Now was that too difficult to understand? For an explanation of the major problem with self selected survey data there is this wiki page:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias

  43. Nathan
    March 3, 2012 at 12:34 am

    Soverign man, on the other hand, won’t change his views either. He will just change his identity.

  44. Chris
    March 3, 2012 at 3:05 am

    Yes. You can tell the validity of one’s argument by how many sock puppets he/she employs.

  45. Sovereign man
    March 3, 2012 at 8:36 am

    Nathan :
    Soverign man, on the other hand, won’t change his views either. He will just change his identity.

    I am not getting into your silly arguments Chris. I have simply reviewed your comments on previous posts and looked at your sources and found your arguments wanting, your sources dubious and your references inaccurate. However I am truly curious as to what on Earth you are referring to. I think you must be a little bit mad or paranoid or something because you have made several references to identities that I really don’t understand. So come on then, out with it. Your implications are going over my head so please be explicit.

  46. Sovereign man
    March 3, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Sorry, that was meant for Nathan and Chris as they do seem to be a bit of a double act, or maybe the same person using two names as, I believe, they are trying to imply.

  47. Nathan
    March 3, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    I’ve already been quite explicit, Steve.

    http://shotofprevention.com/2012/02/01/help-give-a-child-a-healthy-shot-at-life/#comment-6858

    BTW, how was “holiday?”

  48. Chris
    March 3, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    I am pretty sure most people can tell us apart, because I know we are different.

    I have given birth and breastfed three kids, which is something I doubt you have done, Nathan. I have a child who has medical issues, and that is often my point of view. Which differs from yours.

    What is similar is actually using real scientific documentation, something the morphing troll would not recognize even if it came up to him and introduced itself. As I said, we can see the depth of his argument by his use of sock puppets and by the personal attacks.

  49. Sovereign man
    March 4, 2012 at 5:06 am

    Having gone back and looked at some of your other posts, I see someone with whom you have tussled before who appears to be of the same school of thought as myself. I would like to state that I have no idea who he is or have any contact with him. It is interesting to see that when two people who seem to be on the same wave length critique this blog or it’s comments with similar trains of thought, you cannot seem to bear the idea that people with whom you disagree could actually exist independently. I had not seen that post that you linked to as I was in Spain for the past couple of weeks. It would seem that you have a hard time accepting anything from anyone with whom you disagree. I believe this speaks volumes for your integrity. I have not come on here to argue pros and cons of vaccines. I simply came across this site and saw a gross misrepresentation of fact and pointed it out. Yes, it seems to have spun a bit out of control, but that came from being sucked into your fallacious banter Mr. Nathan/Chris.

    I actually laughed out loud when I saw your reply (as always in tandem) to the very suggestion that you are a double act or in fact the same person. It is poetic in a very amusing way. Except for the fact that it would paint an inaccurate perception which you would latch on to, I would love to see Mr. Michaels’ take on you and this exchange.

  50. March 4, 2012 at 6:31 am

    “I see someone with whom you have tussled before who appears to be of the same school of thought as myself. … It is interesting to see that when two people who seem to be on the same wave length critique this blog or it’s comments with similar trains of thought, you cannot seem to bear the idea that people with whom you disagree could actually exist independently.”

    Oh, good. For a second there I thought you were going to make a sweeping generalization from a single point of data. Given your desire to combat “gross misrepresentations of fact”, that would have been embarrassing.

    Whew! Dodged a bullet that time.

  51. Chris
    March 4, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Yeah, he even refers to moms who admit to giving birth and breast feeding as “Mr.”, and yet does not realize that an apostrophe is not used when pluralizing the word “Nazi.”

    Don’t we love how Steve the morphing troll keeps giving the rest of us reasons to laugh at him!? Though my personal favorite is the “there are no vaccines for bacterial diseases” declaration a while back.

  52. Nathan
    March 4, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    You’re really going to keep this up, Steve? This is as convincing as the Queen thinking she can use Groucho glasses to slip down to the pub unrecognized.

  53. Nathan
    March 4, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    I’m just wondering if your choice of pseudonym has the same initials on purpose, or if it was a subconscious slip.

  54. Nathan
    March 4, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    It’s very hard to decide between that and when he declared that because the insert to the pertussis vaccine listed “active ingredients,” that meant that the vaccine was alive. My toothpaste has active ingredients. Though he probably thinks fluoride is alive as well.

  55. Chris
    March 4, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Oh, I missed that one!

  56. Nathan
  57. March 6, 2012 at 12:51 am

    “Look! Over on the next stool!

    Its a Chick!

    Its a Bloke!

    No, Its the friggin Monarch!”

    Sorry, I know it was off topic, but the visual is so endearing I could not resist.

  58. Sovereign man
    March 6, 2012 at 4:13 am

    You know what? I have absolutely no idea why you people go on like this. I initially came on here to learn and evaluate. I pointed out a flaw in the logic of a entry and all that has come out of it is unsubstantiated false accusation and an apparent desire for school yard bullying tactics. No substance on the issues I see. I hope that other people who read all of this can see what I can see. If you disagree with the premises off the author or her minions, you will be personally and viciously attacked. I am appalled by the immaturity and low level of personal insult shown to someone you don’t even know. Astounding!

  59. Chris
    March 6, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    I pointed out a flaw in the logic of a entry

    LOL, you just post conspiracy theories, such as:

    He will ask over and over for documentation of research that doesn’t exist because they have been suppressed.

    (hint, people who have given birth and breastfed babies are not often referred to as a “he”)

    I have simply reviewed your comments on previous posts and looked at your sources and found your arguments wanting, your sources dubious and your references inaccurate.

    And we are supposed to believe someone who claims that there is “virus shedding” from the DTaP vaccine? Or even wrote that the actual evidence has been suppressed. You are a funny guy, Steve.

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    http://www.healthmedicinecentral.com/how-to-stop-post-nasal-drip/

  61. February 3, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Ms. Retterbush, Hepatitis C is different. And you seem to be spamming a webpage.

  62. August 7, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    We have modern conveniences that are supposed to
    save us time, but really these conveniences just give us
    time to do more and sleep less. The insanity physical exercise may be performed
    for 60 days to get the best outcomes along with the p90x exercises may be
    accomplished for 55 minutes everyday and completed for three months.
    Despite the fact that the Insanity Workout is a great workout, it’s not one I would suggest to absolutely everyone.

  63. sandra
    October 18, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    I am HBV positive with no symptoms, can I still get HBV vaccine? Or be immunised with the HBV vaccine?

  64. Mike B.
    November 3, 2013 at 7:31 am

  65. Mike B.
    November 3, 2013 at 7:52 am

    According to the CDC, infants (children less than one year old) are at greatest risk for adverse medical events from vaccination including high fevers, seizures, and sudden infant death syndrome. [23] -http://vaccines.procon.org/#background

  66. November 3, 2013 at 8:09 am
  67. Mike B. Kicks Lawrence in the face!
    November 9, 2013 at 3:05 am

    Hey Lawrence so because this site says this, it just must be true right?

    So you really believe that all these companies can’t or just don’t lie to you?

    Tell me what do I have to gain or lose by telling you or anyone not to get vaccinated?

    Now tell me what do these and all other companies that are involved with vaccines and pushing them on to people have to gain or lose?

    I’d said your money is the gain and the lost is well your money!!!!

    Show me the MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So how much money are you making for trolling this site day in and day out?

    http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/vaccination-causes-autism-–-say-us-government-merck’s-director-of%C2%A0vaccines/

  68. November 9, 2013 at 8:01 am

    @Mike – well, I believe that you probably have stock in hospitals & medical institutions that stand to make much more money & stand to be much more profitable treating a resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases……since about 25% of people required some measure of hospitalization during the last big outbreak of measles in France a couple of years ago, I can imagine that in the US, a similar outbreak would require an equivalent rate of hospitalizations, it is easy to do the math.

    As to my list, please point out how those institutions are “corporations” when in fact they are research & educational institutions for the most part…..and quoting a notorious quack anti-vax website does not gain you an ounce of credibility here (or anywhere).

  69. Mike B.
    November 11, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    So where is your evidence that my anti-vax website is a notorious quack site lol Just because you think something or say it doesn’t make it true. Or are you really that dumb?

    I can say the same for your sites to its really not that hard to do what you do when replying to other people’s post.

    You never give any evidence I give facts and then you talk shit about my post and either forget to post your evidence for accusations so I’m sure you would fail in a civil suit lol.

    also posting a link to some site you like in your reply post to this one does not count lol. look did you see what I did there I did what you always do.

  70. Nathan
    February 17, 2014 at 8:12 pm

    I have a baby coming in March, so I’ve been doing research to determine whether it would be wise to give her this vaccine at birth. While I can appreciate that anecdotes may not constitute convincing reason to decline a vaccine, I think that advocates should do more than merely shoot down the anecdotes of critics. Is there any positive evidence that the vaccine is safe?

    It occurs to me that even if they injected kids with the live and uncrippled virus, symptoms would not appear for years, and would never get listed as a negative side effect. That is why I don’t find statistics about the reporting of side effects too convincing. I know of no reason to think that all negative effects would be reported immediately.

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